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Thanks and God Bless you Bro!

Referring to John 46, a lovely person I know, who was born again and gave up all vises to serve Jesus, told me that the water Jesus turned to wine, was nonalcoholic, nonfermented. That Jesus never drank wine that contained alcohol..She said drunkeness was a sin. Believing that last statement, I also believe that the wine that Jesus created at the wedding was alcoholic and that it can be consumed without allowing yourself to become drunk. Yes I do have a glass of wine on occasion but do not get drunk. Is there any proof in the Bible that tells if this wine was with alcohol or not.? Thankyou.

I'm sorry, but I question even the smallest things I read in the Bible. Not because I don't believe. I certainly do believe have faith and trust and love for God and Jesus. Questioning helps me to understand things better. Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and interpretations. I question to find the reasons for mine. Thank you Linda

Giannis,

I agree with your view. The Word has always been the eternal Son of God, eternally begotten by the Father. The Father spoke through the Son at creation and it is the Son who has spoken to mankind over the ages, both prior to the incarnation and after. Hebrews 1 speaks to this. The exceptions are at Jesus' (the Word) baptism and transfiguration, where the Father spoke from heaven concerning His Son, Jesus.

Dear Alex;

Your post, interestingly enough does exactly what you are accuses others who do not share your way of interpreting Scripture, judging that we do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us and are not guided by Him. You have judged us as not being of those of the Promise (being in Christ) but of those that are of flesh. No one is persecuting you or anyone else who spiritualizes and allegorizes the Scripture to the point of altering its intended meaning. We are just criticizing this approach as being unsound. We are speaking to the ideas that are put forth from this way of interpreting Scripture. We are not judging you as whether such people as not having the Spirit or not being in Christ as your post implies about those of us who disagree with such an approach to Scriptural interpretation.

Alex, I know that you and others truly love the Lord as those of us who do not share your viewpoint do. You post your views regularly on this forum. Most of the time, no one refutes your interpretations, even though we find them problematic most of the time in regards to rightly dividing the Word. The occasional times one of use does address your viewpoint, we do so to promote dialogue concerning the Scriptures that reflect a more sensible and accurate interpretation of verses within the context of the passage. Addressing what you post is not a personal attack or persecution, as you have stated.

It is very common on this forum for people to dialogue back and forth in disagreement, both presenting their views from a Scriptural perspective without accusing the other of not being Spirit filled or led. We love and care for you and others on this forum that differ in the way we interpret the Word. But, this does not mean that we don't speak our minds about views that seem to us to be "off" in their interpretation of Scriptural truths. We speak up because we love the truth and wish to defend it when God's Word is presented in a way that does not reflect His truth.

May God bless you Alex , much love in Christ .

May God bless you ELB , much love u n Christ .

Well said Bro. Dan Gbu.

Last night I was thinking along the lines of what you wrote, ELB -

"WE CANNOT be a righteous judge without becoming exactly like Christ, this in the new creation, being born of Spirit, but having the glorified body of Christ."

We cannot, in and of ourselves in our corrupt nature be 'reformed'. That old nature has to be mortified. The apostle Paul said of himself, "I die daily." Each day, we are to 'die' to that old nature, and walk in God's Spirit, conforming to Christ and His death. It is only the new birth, and walking in that which can make us like Jesus. He Who began the work in His people WILL finish it. THANKS BE TO JESUS!

Grace to you once again, ELB!

What is the withered branch Jesus speaks of?

Are you a withered branch?

Do you hear the servants coming who will decide who stays and who leaves? As the sound of the pruning shears are cutting even the thicker branches as you hear them do their work!

Will hope be enough to save you?

Only the vine knows. Only If you are in Him!

The vine senses the hope that is in you!

He knows your life!

He knows if you shall live! He knows by now , if there is no life in you, and if you shall be cut away!

We cannot see ourselves in comparison to the others branches, yet if you are still alive, and you have this hope, you will not be cut away!

This hope will be enough to save you, as the pruning shears cut , oh so near, yet, we will abide only because of Him ! The true vine, Jesus the Christ!

Repent and be Baptized

After many years of study and contemplation upon the Lord and his great work, beginning in Genesis, I still have questions regarding the nature of ETERNITY and our role in it. Yes, the Lord shows man as he was created and how He redeems man back to Himself for His purposes, and those purposes include worship, fellowship and most of all, LOVE! Indeed, it is LOVE which will be all that remains of humanity after the judgement. It is LOVE that will be the tongue of fire that we each become. It is LOVE that will be integrated into the spiritual body of Christ.

But there is something still missing in His instruction to us.

Perhaps it is intended to be the ongoing mystery of our existence, but...

Why does God even want anything to do with mankind?

(It is obvious that mankind has been a rebellious child, even contentious with Him over the duration of man's existence.)

And once He has man back where he belongs (in the presence of God for ETERNITY (emphasis mine), what is man supposed to do? Sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya?

My point is that the lack of further disclosure into ETERNITY makes me both curious and suspicious that it may have something to do with the origins of God's creation of man. In an sense, God was "robbed" in Genesis.

He was robbed of the relationship that He looked forward to with man.

Now, maybe that is naive in that God is omniscient and knew ahead of time that man would fall and need restoration in order to even have a relationship with the Lord. But that awkward condition does not shed light upon the true nature of what that original intent was or how it could be characterized.

It is this original intention regarding the nature of man's relationship with his Creator that I believe will guide us into what we should expect in ETERNITY.

My brothers and sister in Christ, I look forward to your edification regarding this most perplexing subject.

Thank you all and God Bless YOU!

Cal

Genesis 35:28; 180 years old

I donot believe that we should demonize folks that are spritually minded as some in this forum is doing...Are we gonna demonize the H.G. for making folks speak in tongues that very few can understand?...If we walk in the Spirit we cannot but help speaking tongues in the SPIRIT... Matthew 16 : 17...Even our lord told Peter that flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but my father in heaven meaning in the spirit as God is spirit ...Flesh and blood is mans carnal mind like the Pharisees that knew the word literally but not the Spirit of the WORD.

.....1 st Cor. 2 : 15 Not mans wisdom but what the H.G. Teaches even the mystery of the Kingdon of God. As these things are hid from the wise and prudent...But revealed unto babes and sucklings...Them that are born of the spirit are spirit which is the H.G our new innerman....

.....What they are saying is akin to demonizing the H.G. and folks that are possesed with the H.G. that are over spirtualizing the bible in their minds...We do not walk after the flesh but after the spirit...But the spritual things of God are foolishness to them that walk in the flesh, The Carnal man....( some folks in this forum that cannot understand spritual things )..as the H.G. teaches us...So they demonize folks that do understand spiritul things...Its just as Jesus said them that are born of the flesh always persecutes them that are born of the spirit...It goes all the way back to Ishmael and Issac.

.....But what does the bible say cast out the bondwoman and her son...Which are them that persecutes them that are born of the spirit...( them that understand the mystery of the Kingdom of God ) which is Christ in you via the seed of Christ....The H.G.

....They are in essence saying the H.G. and folks possessed with the H.G. are of the devil...Who needs them we can understand the bible without the H.G. and folks that are speaking in the spirit.

.....They are in essence saying we can just go to a bible school and know everything...How stupid.

Mister David,

Yes, the Gentiles have been grafted into same Tree of Life. But, buying land, or any other material things of this earth, should be a moot point, and of no concern, based on how I read the scripture.

Colossians 3:1-2

"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God."

"Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."

As I read the scriptures, a Christian (Christ Follower) should not be concerning themselves anyway, with accumulating land/material things here on this earth, but should rather be concentrating and working toward storing up our treasures in heaven.

God Bless.

how old was Isaac ???

Hi Chris, just a thought..

Is it because the immaterial literal Word of God became the man Jesus, or a person of the Trinity that became man was named Word just because through this person the Word of God was revealed to people? I tend to believe the latter although many Christians tend to believe the former. GBU

Dear David

We know really nothing apart from that incident when the 12 year old child Jesus got lost in the crowds and was found out by His parents in the Temple of Solomon. Also we know that He used to work as a carpenter like His father Joseph did. GBU.

Dear Michael

1) The nos. 12X12000=144000 must be symbolic, it is obvious that they can't be literal.This sort of accuracy can't be real, I guess.

2) In Revelation 14 writes The Lamp stood on mount Zion with the 144000 with Him. Iin verse 2 writes that John heard a voice from heaven. So these 144000 with the Lamp are on earth, not in heaven.

3) Finally my humble opinion....Revelation is written in such a way so that people who are going to live in those days will correlate the things they live with was is written and so they would know exactly what happens. One can not know or find out beforehand what is going to happen. Maybe a few things that can be clear today but still we can't imagine future facts. Example given. If the mark 666 is the Bar Code, as many claim, then who could have guessed that 40-50 years ago since it hadn't been invented yet? Second example. It writes that people who don't get the mark will not be able to sell and buy. We know now with todays technology widely used in mobiles and PCs this is possible, since cash tends to disappear and all payments are done by cards or through the internet. Could you know that 10-15 years ago? I don't think you couldn't. So it is in vane to try and guess tomorrow's events. Guesses are guesses and most often go wrong. The Revelation is written mainly for those who be left behind after rupture (my opinion) so that they know what is going to happen to them and how they can (or cannot) handle things In my opinion instead of doing that we must try to be ready to depart like the five wise virgins before all these start to happen. For those that will stay behind (I hope I will not be included) , well they will know but .. wish them good luck.

GBU

Amen Brother Chris:

Christ reveals himself, and he is LIFE and TRUTH, to each of us in HIS appointed time.

Man (a Body) cannot exist apart firm God's Life.

It's Christ's indwelling that gives us LIFE.

Christ ascended INTO HEAVEN (the new creation).

Christ ascended into MAN, at the fight hand of the Father.

A ONE on ONE, union.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the ONLY LIFE) who worketh in you (HIS BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and Father (the LIFE) of ALL ....

Till we all come into UNITY

God Bless YOU!

Hi Chris.

If you read carefully the two scriptures you will see that they are not completely indentical.

You are right that the same word "thuo" is written in both cases. It couldn't be otherwise anyway. Peter said to Jews exactly what God told him to do. "Thuo" in ancient Greek means "slay" and "sacrifice" as well. A better writting having in mind the way it is pronounced nowadays is "thyo" (theeo). Actually the only proper way according to the Law that Jews could kill an animal was by slaying it so that its blood would be drained. This was required by the Mosaic Law as Jews were not allowed to eat meat with its blood in it. GBU

Actual events not some parable: Job was the 3rd son Issachar ( Genesis 46:13) he would of gone down to Egypt with his father. Issachar was 40 at "the going down to Egypt" Job would have been about 20 at that time (1706 bc). We are told he lived 140 years after his double blessing 42:10. If the double blessing included length of years then his age would have been 70 + 140 = 210 (3 70's of years). His lifetime would be 1726 to1516 BC. According to this, he was born the year after Joseph was sold, and died 119 years after the death of Joseph (in 1635 BC). When Joseph died, Job was 91. If his double blessing did include length of years (little doubt that they did) then his affliction took place 21 years previously, when he was 70. When Job died (1516) Moses was 55 and had been in Midian 15 years, 25 years before the Exodus. This would account for Job being a worshiper of GOD of Abraham, and explains how Moses could have been the author of the book, and perhaps an eye and ear witness of the events it records in Midian. Time of afflictions was very quick and happened in days. The assault began Gen. 2:7 (1656 BC). The so called 3 friends were descendants of Esau; therefore contemporaries. They spoke for 40 chapters before GOD had enough and told Job to get up and quit listening to them. They accused Job of being a sinner when Job knew he did not.

Satan allowed to test Job was on earth de-facto meaning Satan was allowed to be here in his super natural state. Satan came to and fro from earth to heaven until CHRIST ordered him to get behind HIM and has been held there by Michael ever sense.

Amen Sister Suze:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the only life) that worketh in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God Bless YOU!

Amen Suze well said GBU

Amen Suze well said GBU

We are to show mercy and compassion on those we happen upon that are in need!

Word,G3056; W in Word is capital showing omnipototentency of GOD=Gr. logos

The divine purpose in the gospel of John is to present the LORD JESUS as GOD. This is the one great feature and difference from this gospel and the others. John's writings always point to the deity of Yeshua. Johns presentation of the LORD as having the divine attribute of omniscience, not to say the other gospels does not point to this but the Gospel of John it is much more frequent. WORD (Gr.Logos) portrayed by John as GOD - a Spirit of infinity, Eternal, Perfect, Almighty, Omnipotent. John was the disciple that Jesus loved and wrote John, 3 epistles and also Rev. -GOD giving him much insight to 1st age and the end. John always trying to get people to understand the beginning for if you don't understand what happen in the beginning all the way back in 1st earth age, you cant understand whats happening in this age. The time Satan fell from grace and convinced 1/3 of GODS created souls to fallow him. The 3 epistles of John indicate the writing was from a earlier time then gospel of John

Here and :2 supply (of the aions=ages) for the Logos then "was" and the aions were prepared by HIM (Hebrew. 1:2, 11:3

acts 11:15) supply (of our ministry) 2:4; In Phillipians 4:15 supply the proclamation of the gospel. was here- implying already pre-existed. Creation not mentioned until :3

Word had no beginning John 1:3, 17:5, 1 John 1:1, Ephesians 1:4, Proverbs 8:23, Psalms 90:2, John 8:58. not the same was as in :14

the Word Gr. Logos. As the spoken Word reveals the invisible thought, as the living Word reveals the invisible GOD. John 1:18

the (artical) designates "the Word" as the subject. "the Word"

Dgjot , I could never hate you , you are my brother in Christ , we all get a bit rattled about the things that are going on in this world , that's a good sign ! So many people in life walk through this world not noticing any of the unfairness and injustices that take place on a daily basis , they don't notice because they don't care . I do get where you are coming from , being a Christian means being aware of what is expected of us by our God and our Saviour , we need to be doing right in their eyes , it's not about who we are being kind to , it's about the fact that we are doing what we know is the right thing to do regardless if our act is appreciated by this world , that doesn't matter , what matters is keeping our hearts and minds attuned to Christ and the example that he set us . Do right by him , it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about us , it only matters that we do what we know is the right thing to do in God's eyes . Much love to you in Christ .

Hi David , thank be been wondering about you and hoping that you are ok , it's good to hear your voice , much love in Christ .

When it comes to Mary pouring oil on Jesus's head , I wanted you to take notice of Judas's attitude , that passage isn't just there to tell us about the woman and what she did , it's also there to tell us about Jesus's reaction to her act and the reaction of Judas and what he did immediately afterwards . Read it all carefully . That passage gives us an insight into Judas's mind set , his way of thinking , is that our way of thinking ? Mine ? Yours ? Should any Christian take the same attitude as Judas ? I'm not going to do any more with this conversation , if you have read the Bible you should know what is expected of you in this world , you should have an understanding of the heart and mind of Christ and how it should be working in us every day . I struggle too at times , being a good person doesn't always come naturally to me , it's when I'm struggling that I let Christ take over me and through him I can do better .

Fully agree, brother. I think that sometimes we see this 'ultra-spiritualizing' not simply as a careless misunderstanding of Truth, but something much deeper & sinister. Instead of allowing the Word of God to teach us, fill us & challenge us, some do it in reverse: they come to the Word of God with their errant beliefs, alter the very fabric of the biblical message to suit & then promulgate it as Truth, as from enlightened hearts & minds.

Thus we get false foundational beliefs such as, only death being God's Judgement of the wicked & Heaven for the righteous; re-birth doesn't happen in this life but in readiness for the next; the preaching of the Gospel takes a back seat as God will accept all people, though some form of cleansing (purgatory) might be necessary; & one I read recently, that the whole Bible is written as a parable or maybe, allegorically. We can only pray that believers everywhere will attend to the Word as given, be taught by the Holy Spirit, & thus discern between Truth & error. This very same matter was brought up at our Lord's Day meeting during 'Teaching Time', as an evident evil permeating the Church - how we must strive for the Truth & stand only on the pure unadulterated Word of God.

The Lord bless you brother in your meditations & submissions here.

Luke 10, ver 27.