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Lee the follower , just read your testimony and thoroughly enjoyed . Glad to hear you are on the straight and narrow , as for those whispering behind your back , bear them no ill will . Jesus knocked at your door and you opened it . Where will those whisperers be when Christ returns to take you to himself and bring you into his Father's Kingdom ? Keep your eyes on the prize and know that you are never alone , God sees you , don't give a second thought to what atheists and idolators think of you . He who knows you best wants you with Him , rejoice and stay strong in His love .

Today I finished reading Daniel , chapter 11 blowing my mind...again :) . Then I read Joel and Zephaniah , both very exciting if slightly scary books . I can't pick the best bits out of Joel because it's all fab but especially Ch 3 V 9-21 . Zephaniah is also all fab but certain verses always jump out at me every time I read them , Ch 1 V 4-6 especially V 6 . All of Ch 2 and all of Ch 3 . Very appropriate books to be reading at this time I think . Any thoughts on these books anyone ? Thy Kingdom Come .

Hi Richard,

This is an interesting and perplexing subject concerning the necessity of Satan in the overall plan of God for creation. We are not capable of fully and truly comprehend God's purpose in created Satan and us ABLE to sin when He is UNABLE to sin and for us to be judged by Him (some whom will have a life of eternal anguish and separation from God suffering forever in the lake of fire) and those of us so elected to salvation to spend eternity with God in joy and love and bliss.

I have read that God's attributes are "active" in the sense of being ever expressed and that none are "latent" as to being unexpressed. So does not possess love where He can choose to love or not to do so, nor does He possess hatred for sin where He can choose to judge or not to judge. He IS all of the attributes we ascribe to Him. These attributes are His essential nature and He cannot depart from any of them nor set any aside. We are not like this.

It is hard for us to see love, hate, power etc. as being truly personified as they are in God. But He is so much greater than what we are essentially. His Essence (what He is-not what He is made of) is ALL that He is and He has not revealed ALL of WHAT or WHO He is. But Jesus has revealed God to us in Himself to the extent that we as far lesser and limited beings can know.

Richard, I love conversing with you. It is good to have someone here who values deep thoughts concerning God and His ways. In a world where most people are centered on themselves it is good to push ourselves to be God-centered, looking to Him and desiring to know Him more that we want to know ourselves, to promote Him and His ways more than promoting ourselves and our reputation or self-image to ourselves and to others. Thanks for being "in this" with me.

Just looking forward to Isaiah Ch 65 :) Thy Kingdom Come .

Concluding remarks on necessity of Satan

Armageddon; and the ultimate end of Satan at the end of the Millennial reign of Christ is the ultimate conclusion of God's plan in using the enemy of our soul to purge the world of rebels and to end the power of death completely with a new heaven and earth (see 1 Cor. 15:26; Revelation 21 and 22).

Eternal punishment fits the crime so we can understand as wicked as things have been throughout human history it has stored up wrath for Satan as well as the unregenerate ( Romans 2:5 and subsequent verses in that chapter). The philosophy of "do as thou wilt" that is prominent among self proclaimed Satanists is contrasted with a sacrificial love that only Christ can offer. Everything seems backwards but the Lord has the master plan no matter how clever men and their devices are to destroy Christ (see Psalm 5:10; and read Psalm 2). Unregenerate man simply cannot understand how being a servant or slave of Christ brings men to freedom and how the opposite appeals to the flesh leave one in bondage in the end. They think we can somehow go back to Eden (as seen in the humanistic music of the 60's); but we see the result of this "free love" in the 70's and beyond with the rapid decay of traditional families in regard to sustainability of marriages and the removal of God's design for a family and harmonious home life. Whether Satan himself ever realized how wicked he would become is debateable; it would appear that Antichrist himself and or other rulers may not have realized this in verses such as Isaiah 10:7. The enemy always wants to sugarcoat the extreme jeopardy of man remaining in a sinful state by distracting him with grand delusions that lead nowhere but to destruction.

We see in Psalm 23:5 a verse on eating in the presence of enemies which indeed we will do during the Millennium when some inevitably will rebel at the end and insanely under Satan attempt one final time to destroy God and His people leading to failure.

Hello momsage,

What is vapor? I meant in the sense James asks,"Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."(Jas.4:14) As for NKJB It is simply that I cut and pasted from a Bible Dictionary that I have been compiling. I have helped my self with verses, great many NIV NKJB and several others. I would rather go by the spirit of the sense than King's James version save me. Find you fault with it? I did not mean to offend anyone. God forbid!

The necessity of Satan (part four)

Matthew 13:24-43 discusses the parable of the wheat and the tares; ending with a private discussion with the Disciples. This necessity of such a condition WITHIN the professing church also must exist along with the general contrast between believers and unbelievers. Therefore; in general we must not only have confession but POSSESSION of the Holy Spirit in order to have genuine salvation (see Ezekiel 36:26). This principle in scripture cannot be overemphasized; if Christ found His greatest resistance from the "religious" leaders among the Jews of that day; we can be certain much of our opposition will come from those calling themselves Christians. Surely judgment begins at the house of God ( 1 Peter 4:17).

If we are honest with history there are errors that can be found with fallible human beings even in the best denominations (sometimes despite truthful doctrines). I call Satan the "equal opportunity destroyer" because he doesn't discriminate as to what means of deception he uses and hence it fits his character hating everyone created in the image of God. He only hates the most those who are a threat to his kingdom; those who can see past the veil over all mankind ( 2 Cor. 4:3-6). His methods are myriad-mind control; fear; temptations; bondage; etc. People are used according to his purpose and we should be aware that his web is everywhere in this current world system. Things can and must get worse; worse than in all human history as Jesus promised for the end times to come for God's plans to come to fruition ( Matt. 24:21). Of course the world wants to hear that peace is coming "peace; peace when there is no peace." ( Jeremiah 6:14). There is no peace; however for the wicked as God states in Isaiah 48:22 and other places in that book and the rest of scripture as well.

Incredibly the world will fall for "the lie" ( 2 Thess. 2:9-12). Whatever utopia is offered (AI or otherwise) God will use to purge the dross

Hello Bennymkje: I have a question for you. Why did you quote the NKJB instead of the KJB? The NKJB uses the word vapor. the KJB uses vanity:

AMERICIAN HERTIGAGE DICTIONARY

VANITY:

Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. synonym: conceit.

Something about which one is vain or conceited.

Worthlessness, pointlessness, or futility.

VAPOR:

To engage in idle, boastful talk.

These words are not interchangeable other then diluting the meaning of vanity to just a simply way of speaking with pride. Obviously the true scripture is wise in using vanity for it's meaning.

I thought this was a KJB discussion group only? Why would you chose to use a false doctrine translation of God's Word even if a verse happens to quote the same way, which this one doesn't, it's still a worldly version written by men?

God Bless :)

The necessity of Satan (part 3)

I already touched on man and some logic as to why God allowed for his fall. His foreknowledge; of course already planned for this with the redemption and atonement the Son of God was to fulfill at the set time here on earth.

One concept that must be considered in depth is that we need to be crucified with Christ in order to live ( Galatians 2:20). Similar doctrines are mentioned with verses such as Matthew 16:25-26 where Christ states that we are to lose our lives to gain eternal life as losing our SOUL is far worse. Christ came to bring life in reverse order to where it was lost; restoring the spiritual aspect first then later at the Rapture and Resurrection of the just PHYSICAL restoration. Again that illustrates that our spiritual state is at primary importance as our spirit lives on forever in whatever STATE it is at death.

The enemy is a master player and manipulator; going from persecution to self "affirmation" in order to decieve the masses. The lie of course remains the same; he promises life and freedom while stealing; killing and destroying the soul of an individual.

Considering my initial posting on this subject as to the vast superiority in strength of Satan over us (apart from Christ) I will continue to expound on what it means to have such resistance. Rewards come from suffering; we in a sense bring fullness to the Son of God Himself who will eventually rule and reign with us as kings and priests ( Rev. 5:10). Again; concepts such as losing our life to gain it is foreign to the flesh. God uses the enemies of our soul to buffet us and test our faithfulness. Those who don't really care about their spiritual "experience" as to its source can and inevitably WILL fall. When we see such verses as Revelation 13:8 we know that ALL unregenerate ultimately WILL worship the Antichrist beast. We realize that the difference between holy angels and fallen ones is if the Spirit is directing it or Satan.

Wasn't sure if your health issue commentary was directed to me but I will keep you in prayer. Hope others will also lift you up in that regard. Glad you got your heat back. Thankfully we haven't lost power here lately more than a few minutes. A bit concerning we may get some ice this week as it warms up.

As always your analysis is thorough; detailed and pertinent. Much better than mine; no doubt as you have already drawn the conclusions that I am inferring. My approach I suppose tends to start with a general premise then focus in on the issue and such before coming to the resolution and conclusion. There is no doubt that many and most will not go to the meat of the word or spend much time in meditation on the Word; however. I am trying to balance doctrine with practical experience; emphasizing knowing Christ rather than a lot about Him.

What is difficult is explaining the spiritual realm as my discernment has shown me in light of scripture. I see many testimonies which are pertinent as to what is behind the scenes when a person comes out of the occult; but often are lacking in basic concepts of sin and repentance which are needed to be saved and the understanding that it is our sin that allows Satan to have legal permission to torment us much of the time. The other extreme is those who seem to have no concept of any spiritual struggle in their lives but are steeped in doctrine (usually correct as I wouldn't waste time in a congregation where false doctrines are espoused). An imbalance also often exists as to certain giftings; often emphasizing teaching gifts (which elders should have) at the expense of concepts such as spiritual warfare in conservative churches; with the opposite being true of charismatic ones (where doctrine too often is either weak or caves in to whatever emotional response is desired; or spiritual manifestations without DISCERNMENT as to what spirit (God or Satan) is behind the manifestations.

Thanks for prayer.

"Directions"

Directions, Cardinal

Omnipresent God has no use for cardinal directions, as we know the term. However the Spirit in order to present the will of the Father and how the Son shall fulfill them gives us certain clues. Firstly he informs us the authority of God having a seat. It is the throne of God. He is enthroned over many waters, "The Lord sitteth upon the flood" (Ps29:3,10).

God sends a river and it waters the Garden, which is set on the east of Eden. Here we have two kingdoms of the Father and of the Son, which represents a garden, which is set as a snapshot of the worlds he framed by the word of God. It is the world of the Spirit as God is a Spirit. It is in harmony with the reconstituted Time. This being the case what do we mean by 'the east'?

As the God document the Spirit is delineating a holy family representing the heirs of promise in his Son. (Ep.1:3-4). After the fall he is sent out from the garden. "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken./ So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." (Ge.3:23-24)

Noah's descendants in their dispersion were set on the east side. (Ge.11:2-3).In all these there is only one direction for the fallen man, which is in terms of the throne of God, that is in the Son. The east is a remainder of salvation.

Promotion comes neither from the east or the west. (Ps.75:6-7) Redemption of saints come from where the carcase is. "As the lightening comes out of the east, and shines even out to the west" indicate cardinal directions as we understand the term.

"Diadem"

It signifies a badge of honor and in keeping with the majesty of the King of kings, the Lord of lords Jesus Christ in the vision of John appears, His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.(Re.19:12)

On the other hand the devil has his diadem (* seven crown as consistent with celestial creature-Re.12:3) and the beast out of the sea, whose authority comes from him similarly has full array of his office: 'it had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name."(Re.13:1) Number 10 signifies judgement. He is marked for destruction.

*These crown and seven heads are abominations. "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:/ A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,/ An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,/ A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Pr.6:16-19)

Narcissistic personality disorder of Lucifer says "I will" and how often we find pride in persons who are called to set an example and run the governments. Pride never comes alone. His false narrative makes him a false witness. As with lying tongues his hands are quick to tear down all opposition; No wonder the beast is called the son of perdition.

Thank you for a non-discussion comment. I really enjoyed reading it. It's sounds like you are quite the soupmaker. I like to make homemade chicken noodle soup but now-a-days it takes a lot out of me so I don't do it very often. Yes, we had some really bad weather here, a lot of sever cold, snow and ice. We didn't loose any utilities but we can't get groceries until the end of next week because, I guess, trucks aren't getting through. My town is little, less then 7,000 and in the south so people here aren't use to this kind of weather at all. My son and I have a freezer and cupboards full of food so, praise the Lord, we can do fine without groceries. We may need to share with our neighbor upstairs. Walmart didn't text us until tonight about our order, so we'll check with her tomorrow to see if she's OK. She's a sweet lady. She has a little toy poodle named Monkey. LOL You didn't say, did you have any trouble with the weather? God Bless :)

Hi Jema,

Thanks for reaching out to Momsage. Perhaps you have read her reply to me about taking a break from here for awhile. We can pray for her to not be gone too long.

"LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:" Psalms 10:17 KJV

Answer:

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10 KJV

You will life!

The LORD shall and if you have faith you will hear according to scripture Psalms 10:17

Thank you GiGi. I'm just taking a vacation for awhile. I may be back soon. Please tell Jema I apologize for my terse response to her post to me. God Bless :)

"Denial of Christ"

Mark 16:61-72 Simon Peter denied Christ before the maid who kept the door of the chief priest's palace. "Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee (Matt.26-69)". In the darkness Simon Peter's voice betrayed him. 'Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee (v.73)'. Voice carries much more significance than the mere sound of it. The words that Jesus spoke was not his own. 'He who hears me hears who sent me ( Luke 10:16). Simon Peter forsook all in order to become his disciple. In denying Christ he was also denying the voice of the Lord he heard. Principle of Association (Matt.10:40).

Voice recognition of a Christian is in the way truth in his inward parts matches with his action. Voice of the Lord is dealing with the living word and it is to bring out the full potential of man. It is truth written in his inward parts that places his words and actions in harmony. (1 Co.14:7)

(See under B-betray)

"Delilah"

She was a Philistine woman who caused the mighty Samson to fall. (Jud.16:4-20) Since then she remains the epitome of the 'strange woman' set down in the Book of Proverbs. Of what worth was 'Nazirite'vows of Samson to her? Profane love of an adulterous woman is like the apostate church espousing the doctrine of man rather than of Christ.

Secondly she was not herself free anymore than world is. She was driven by her Philistine masters as an apostate church belabors under Satan so activism is no more than serving the political taskmasters. The cause may be pro-Life and anti-abortion but in the end it works out to be the same.

"Predestination" (2 of 2)

Joseph was the first son born to Rachel, and the eleventh son of Jacob. The name Joseph signified May God add to me another (Ge.30:24). Rachel meant thereby to imply that the name was drawing attention not for itself but something looking to future. Joseph is by all accounts is a double of Jesus. For example we have the sons of Jacob selling their brother to the Ishmaelite-Midianite caravan for 20 pieces of silver. Consider Jesus was betrayed for 30 pieces, which of course is higher in value that owes to exchange rates of the time. "And they (chief priests) covenanted with him (Judas Iscariot) for thirty pieces of silver (Mt.26:15)"Jesus came unto his own, and his own received him not(Jn.1:11). The sibling whom his brethren sold became their saviour at the time of famine. God raised Joseph from death and gave him a name above every other name.

'Our bodies as a temple' is an idea and it is valid because of the everlasting covenant. 'A body has thou prepared me' refers to the Lamb of God and tabernacle of God as a house. Our individual covenant by blood has also antecedent in the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. All these owe to the everlasting covenant between God and Jesus Christ representing all believers forever sanctified.

The will of God is complete so the Now connects with us in time and place. For this reason names of people and persons are interchangeable because "All things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."(Col.1:15-17). So when God sent his word before the worlds began it was meant to succeed. "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." The same word has a logos principle (See under P-principle). Thus the Word becoming flesh has its own profile. It explains the fulness of time.

"Predestination" (1 of 2)

Predestination in simple terms is stated in the Abstract. (Ge.1:27-28) God blessed man and made him a steward of His creation. In this MOU between God and Man whosoever adopted into the Fellowship is according to the everlasting covenant. So the eternal word included him to which time and place are of no consequence.

In the divine Will we examine the Father Son relationship which has consequences. As St Paul speaks of 'the good pleasure of his will' so adoption is intended for the glory of his grace, "wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ signifying the doctrine of God as doable. It is thus eternal aspect of Holiness we see through the prism of the Son. Abiding in him our adoption is conformed in Jesus Christ. (Ep.1:3-5)

Compare the analogy made by writer to the Hebrews, "(Levi) payed tithes in Abraham./ For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him." (7:9-10)*. We were dead in sins by the same account when the emblem of the slain Lamb was created in heaven.

Predestination was set rolling when God set forth the decree Ps.2:7-8) and accordingly we were all foreknown. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. (He.13:8) The testimony of Jesus Christ. (Re.3:12-13)

In order to understand fully the concept of predestination we have to examine why St Paul was ' apprehended of Jesus Christ. (Ph. 3:7-12)

"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus."

Predestination of God is often brought to more clarity by use of persons so that the Promise of God to Abraham ("all families") are represented simultaneously. How does one do it but in terms of Time as reconstituted by the Spirit? We have two instances of Jesus and Joseph historically divided in time and place.

"Defile, Defilement"

In the Abstract we have God blessing His creation. (Ge.1:20-22) In the light of the above here we have St Peter making a distinction as to what kosher is and what is not.

"And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat./ But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."(Ac.10:13-14) In the vision of Simon Peter at Joppa, his Jewish mindset proved daunting. So the voice came second time and third time. But the voice made the point:' What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.' The Spirit is specific and the number Three, -a command number mentioned above is for instruction: the Son has cleansed with his blood such ceremonial defilement stipulated in the Law of Moses. ( 1 John 1:7)

Jesus during his earthly ministry pointed where defilement could occur:"But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man./For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:/These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.(Matt.15:18-20).

In this context to the pure everything is pure. (Ti.1:15). This purity is not imposed from outside by sheer will but in being at rest, letting Jesus who lives in the believer at rest too, so whatever he does is for the glory of God. "If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (1 Pe.4:11)

Song of Ascents- (2 of 2)

" For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation./ This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it."/ King David blesses the nation with these words, "The Lord that made heaven and earth bless thee out of Zion." This is the highway a child of God carves out by abiding in Christ. He produces fruits for glory and honour of God who blessed him before the worlds began.(Ep.1:4)

When Hannah sings, "Pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them (1 Sa.2:8)," she was referring to his sovereignty. The spiritual foundation of a Christian instructs him how to walk with God.. Our case as to our future is no different from of Abraham. (He.11:9)" It is a pilgrim's progress when he begins and ends it is with Him. Where are we going? Like the patriarch we look for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God(v.10)"

In this context we shall appreciate v.1, "I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. This city is founded on the Rock of Ages." It is heavenly so the degree of ascents refers to our transition from the world of the flesh to 'the heavenly places'. (Col.3:1-3)

"Song of Ascents" under the entry D- degrees (1 of 2)

A title given to fifteen psalms from 120 to 134 inclusive of which four are attributed to King David and one to his son Solomon. There were three appointed feasts namely Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. By tradition pilgrims expressing their joy in going up to Jerusalem would have sung. There are 15 songs in this series and each psalm may correspond to the step leading a pilgrim.

Historically the children of Israel showed that they moved on their bellies in the wilderness. How often did they grumble against Moses and Aaron? (Ex.16:3) They would have stoned them and they despised manna, which God gave. He fed them with angel's food. Yet what was their cry? "And said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?"(Nu.11:4-5) God sent them quails, which gives us a revealing glimpse as to why they stopped short from doing the commandments with their heart and soul. Their rebellious spirit brought cancer to their souls since they would not worship God, a Spirit in spirit and truth. "And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.(106:15). A wasting disease nevertheless.

These are examples and left for 'our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come'. In short the Spirit warns us to search our hearts well as we are pilgrims and sojourners even as they. The Spirit of Christ revealed to Prophet Elisha what motivated his servant, "And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man (Naaman) turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and olive-yards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? (2 Ki.5:26)

" For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation./ This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it."/

James 4:

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

May we humble ourselves before the LORD GOD and worship HIM in truth and in spirit. FATHER, we need YOUR hand on our nation and our leaders. Thank YOU LORD for answering our prayers.

January 18, 2024

Hello Momsage, I hope you will check in with us. You are very loved on here and the bible helps on this site are good to have. I look forward to hearing from you, dear friend

"Deceit, Deceiver"

Intentional misleading of another, classic example of which was practiced by the serpent on Eve; similarly we have another example and when done it leads the simple away from path of life. "For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:/ But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword./ Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell." (Pr.5:3-5) Instead of heart fortified with faith the simple go by appearances and are led astray. For this reason Jeremiah spoke of the destructive power heart could wield. "Heart is deceitful or treacherous and who shall know it" except by the light of knowledge of the word? (Je.17:9) God does not tempt anyone but desires let grow can prove irresistible. (Jas.1:14) Satan is the deceiver who is the father of lies. "He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;/ When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart./ Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation." The number seven is a tag by the Spirit. Totally given over to defraud others

On the other hand we have this testimony of the Spirit, of the Son "Nor was any deceit in his mouth."(Is.53:9) Ministry of St Paul was to present the Bride as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2 Co.11:2) The strange woman as depicted in the Book of Proverbs invariably refers to apostate church whose heart has departed from the Lord God. "And the adulteress woman will hunt for the precious life." (Pr.6:26b)

no I'm gone

"The seed in itself",

"For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear." ( Mark 4:28)

Here we have a variation of the fruit-bearing tree with 'seed in itself' stated in the Abstract that shall never change. This is part of MOU between God and Man.(Ge.1:11) Any abrogation of the terms would be self-defeating since it the Law or the Word that is on the line. God cannot deny himself. It is His holiness.

The earth abides forever because it signifies the Son in the divine Will and a day is decreed for him and at the end of it there shall be gathering in sheaves. In the Parable of the Tares, we have this "and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."(Matt.13:30)

There is a time lapse which explains the principle of Similitude where realities of heaven is compared with that of the earth. There is a variation also in the yield. In terms of Isaac blessings of God is converted in terms of yield. "Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him."(Ge.26:12) Cf. "But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."(Matt.13:8) How come such variations though God created all hearts alike He tests their works and find their faith is not alike.(Ps.33:15) It is what the King's dream was all about.

(Dan.2:28-45)

Either we gather with Christ Jesus or we scatter which is what we find with the miry clay. Those who mixed God's word with doctrine of men "and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them." There is no place for them. It is what God does to the tares. Megachurches mean nothing; neither does it mean anything because the apostate church backed the winner. What shall they do when the rock hits them?

Hi Momsage , how are you doing ? Are you still out there ? Hope you are ok :) .

Aaron's rod-2

While we study the Bible we need keep in mind the Pauline dictum , "All things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."(Col.1:16-17) It is true in the episode where God put to silence all murmurers over the Levitical priesthood. 'By him(Jesus Christ) all things consist' so Moses is set down as a double for the Son. In rebelling against him they were rebelling against the eternal word of God.

Predestination is not in the matter of time but is to be explained by the eternal Word of God and how it is worked out by the Son( by whom all things consist).God had earlier said why he was setting the rod of Aaron against others. "And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose, shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you." The man whom I shall choose" can only be in obedience to the MOU in the Abstract (Ge.1:11) The word of God is in the heart so our fruits can only be by abiding in the true Vine. We are all branches considering 'the fruit in itself' and part of the Son. He was the word become flesh.

So the episode of Aaron goes beyond what it literally seems to indicate. The rod blossomed because it belonged to one God had chosen. Predestination therefore must be understood as mentioned earlier not in the context of time but in light of 'the Word which was God' and the Son of man who triumphed over death.

The tabernacle of witness in the wilderness held mercy seat in the holies indicating God among us. Instead of God an angel of the Lord shall go before them. . However God has made it clear, 'for I will not go up in the midst of thee.' God did not allow Moses to see his glory indirectly. Significance of the cleft in the rock is same as God sending 'the angel of his presence' instead, fulfillment of which was in the Advent of the Son.