Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 73

Ps.29.3 "Many waters"

The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the Lord is upon many waters."

The waters signify the quality of God, so the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. The generations of Jesus Christ on one hand and darkness on the other hand directing the generations that cavirry several sepithets, wicked and adulterous generation gives over to more vicious generation such as we have. Generations of vipers eat up sovereign nations and making peace is to reward the wicked viper, Out of love for peace? Oh no, vanity rules this adulterous generations. The powers that be play charade over the rest in order to be rewarded, may be with a Nobel peace prize.

The same quality found in the voice of the Lord enumerated through the Psalm creates new of world framed by the word and also those who sat in darkness, though called outer darkness receive mercy. For it is new every morning. Therefore hope is a facet of holiness, "My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me./ This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope./ It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3.20-23)

In the inaugural vision of St John we have Melchizedek in the image of the risen Christ with the Ancient of days.It is thus the day of regeneration. Where Aaron wore the breastpateclose to his heart, we have Christ witha golden girdle about his paps. And his voice full of majesty,"and his voice as the sound of many waters." The Law or the Word has set the seven days to the Covenant whichis everlasting. Amen

The Song.8.7 "Many waters" (2 of 2)

Truth shall spring out of the earth/and righteousness shall look down from heaven."(85.11) This greening of the earth is called new earth and every blade of grass is refreshed under the light of the Lamb."And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."(Rev.21.24-27)

"Righteousness shall look down,' since the day has come for the 12 thrones for the priest-kings to teach the nations from the Word, the Law."And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." OLord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken theLord, the fountain of living waters.. The new earth and the outer darkness alike.

"Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it." Who is in control of the flood? "The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the Lord is upon many waters."(Ps.29.3) The left behind church and the Jews who found grace in the day of regeneration may be yet make manifest the significance of love. Though Christ was rich he became poor for those who rejected him in former times. "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood./And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth./ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."(Rev.12.13-17)The outer darkness as a place is a foot-stool. Heaven is my throne, so are the priest-kings with hiim.(Isa.66.1)

Further thoughts on the end times

I feel duty bound to mention scripture; ALL scripture. In this case no doubt heated discussions could arise and when I say something that goes against tradition (such as all believers being raptured) I have to hold to Scripture first. Irregardless of the complexities here; of course there are many "professors" rather than Holy Spirit possessors out there which is dangerous at any time for our spiritual well being even if His coming is a ways off.

In general; sin is a reproach to any people ( Proverbs 14:34); although this verse is talking about a nation rather than individuals.

Whether by Rapture or death indeed we all have an appointment with God and trivializing sin isn't helpful for anyone. Sin not only progresses until death but metastasizes from an occasional occurrence to a habit to a lifestyle. In sanctification there is no doubt in my mind that God uses our failures to chastise us; so narcissism as an attitude dismissing sin as harmless error; etc is not beneficial. As true saints of God we should be the first ones to be transparent in this regard. Self justification is also a later stage of sin where we get to the point where we don't care what anyone thinks; hence we are no longer open to correction.

John 10:27-28 says 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. We see here the knowing between both parties and recognition of His voice. The Lord aggressively goes after His sheep but His sheep recognize His voice; they may be running away like Jonah or have other reactions that aren't beneficial but they cannot deny His presence and guidance. Those who are NOT His sheep usually are left alone; hence as Solomon states in Ecclesiastes 8:1

11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Further thoughts on the coming of the Lord

The implications for us as believers should be a no brainer. We are commanded to continue to "occupy until He comes" ( Luke 19:13 also the concept of Ephesians 5:16).

One thing that is interesting is that it appears from Daniel that the crucifixion was AD 32 if we go 69 years of 7 year periods; that would bring the second coming to 2032 if it is exactly 2000 years until He comes making the Rapture by the end of this year; 2025. In any case we should be paying attention to the signs and not falling asleep.

I therefore look at the Parable of the 10 virgins if indeed it is referring to those at the Rapture and realize that merely alerting people that His coming is near isn't something I need to concern myself as it isn't knowledge of the event but readiness that is the crucial factor. The big question is if the end means I never knew you or I know you not (as a present tense); if intimate fellowship over time due to lukewarmness has faltered. Whether some are not raptured or not is probably a hot topic or if that is indeed what the Parable discusses.

Luke 21:36 states Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. If we agree every born again saint is raptured then we have to agree it seems that every believer is praying like this unless I somehow am misreading the text; hence my conundrum on thinking all saved people are raptured and leading to a reward issue here. I am NOT saying anyone is lost or you can lose salvation; but again since white garments are mentioned. Revelation 7:14 says

And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Having to wash a garment to me indicates the Tribulation necessitated due to soiled garments of believers beforehand rather than indicating new ones.

Matthew 24:37-38 For just like the days of Noah[a] were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be. 38 For in those days before the flood, people[b] were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark. 39 And they knew nothing until the flood came and took them all away.[c] It will be the same at the coming of the Son of Man.[d]

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

We have; as it were seemed to come to a critical mass in discussion of end times-specifically; in regard to the Rapture likelihood this Rosh Hashanah. I will summarize briefly what's going down so that we get information clearly.

There are scriptures in Daniel indicating a certain number of days for Daniel's 70th week which apparently add up 2520 days if I am doing the math right. The concept of the Tribulation being between a Rosh Hashanah and future Yom Kippur 7 years later led to a calculation apparently off by one day that is said never to happen again but indeed will many years from now. If we contemplate a possible 10 day interlude ( Revelation 2:10) that is one possibility for at least some to be either in a few days of the Tribulation or God to judge the church immediately prior to the first seal being opened. There are also indications of past fulfillment in regard to this church. The bigger point here is the Rapture could occur another time and doesn't have to be Rosh Hashanah; even though it is symbolic of the day and hour "idiom" that no one knows; Jesus from the above verses could come a time we don't expect which seems to take that away from being a necessity; however He certainly could come days or weeks before that (any day now). This year is interesting as the only one close to 2520 days for a while (if off by a day or two there is the variability of "official" start to Rosh Hashanah.

Big issue has been wrong calculations naively followed without fact checking.

Sure will Brother Ronald.

I've been so busy I haven't been able to keep up with the site

Postings doesn't last a full day anymore.

I have a lot saved but haven't been able to read but maybe half of them.

You enjoy your week as well.

We will be talking soon.

Blessings.

The Song.8.7 "Many waters" (1of 2)

"Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned."

Here we have the sacred love against the profane. God loved the world so He sent his Son who epitomised the full measure of his Holiness. This holy aspect is revealed in sending him to the house of his friends where he was wounded only indicates the profane aspects of a fallen man. 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends 'is a fitting commentary brotherly love' but cannot be yet called as sacred love. On the other hand wht was the son? Jesus Christ knew no sin and did no sin. His sacrifice on the cross consequently is perfect. When he calls any man friend it is a big deal. Heaven came down as it were for which the cross is a badge of honour. In wearing it it is your life that is on the line, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me./And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."(Mt.10.37-38; Jn 15.11)

Jesus is the lord from heaven,"and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly." In his love there is a world to be discarded and an heavenly world to which we are called. Heresy is to deny this love:"He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love." We belong to this house and to sup with him, forever,' But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."(Heb.3.6; The Song. 2.4)

Many waters cannot quench this love over which it is not heaven and the earth but holiness of God serving as a canopy."Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." This union must deliver and it is what we have in the day of regeneration,"Truth shall spring out of the earth

Dan.3.1-6 "Another Christ another gospel"

"Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon."

The measurement is same as of the measuring reed that the man in the vision of Ezekiel had in his hand. (Ezek.40.2). His appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, for apportioning the land. The gentile king wanted an image probably of himself and it was in multiples of 6. Does God measure the Gentiles and the Jews by a single measure? The word of God makes it absolute clear,"Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."(Jer.17.5) Heathen is whose heart is alienated so he serves god and mammon as we see in our own times. For example ask a Dispensationalist or Evangelical this question,"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"(2 Cor.6.16). Yet in the ephod of the high priest was such a question was set. One onyx stone set in gold reminded of the curse such as Jeremiah poses here. God of all mercies also set these stone in ouches of gold were in not in isolation, " And two chains of pure gold at the ends; of wreathen work shalt thou make them, and fasten the wreathen chains to the ouches." Before men and angels in heaven the high priest served. The golden bell at the hem of the robe referred to his walk. His faith represented by gold dictated everything he did or said. The final vision of Ezekiel mentions sacrifices and offerings. But the measure o 6 cubits and the line laid over the city makes the outer darkness, a curse. Israel made their trust in Barabbas over Jesus before Pilate and became the heathen instead. The nation that has 'power with God and with men, and hast prevailed' and 'and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.'(Ezek.48.35)

Greetings

Romans 2:13 "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Blessings

Amen to that, Chris.

Have a blessed work week ahead.

Greetings

Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

James 1:22 "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

Blessings

Please pray for a child, we will call him J, that's suffering with a sudden and serious brain eating condition. It's shutting down his whole body, and unless the Lord Jesus Christ steps in, he's going to die or will be a vegetable for the rest of his life. I know and believe by faith what Jesus Can do and HAS DONE. We need Him big time right now. Please remember J.

Thank you too brother for a very profitable engaging discussion session. Hope to hear more from you in due course. Every blessing.

Thanks brother,

Have a good week,

God bless,

RLW

Thanks Brother Ronald.

We've debated this several times before.

I said I would give my beliefs and how I arrive to my viewpoints.

Any further discussion with you without anything new to share would just be an argument.

I would be saying yes it do, you would be saying no it doesn't, and on and on.

So I would save us some time and anguish and say we would have to agree to disagree.

Besides I made it clear I was stating how I come to my viewpoint and wasn't entering this to debate.

On to the events from the Great Tribulation on through the Millennium and how these certain groups interpret them.

Blessings Brother.

Bible Alone.

You said you believe the Bible teaches that we are currently living in the Great tribulation period spoken of in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

And then you said; you think the Millennium is a figurative period of the Church Age which began at the Cross (or perhaps at Pentecost) and ended with the Great Tribulation.

So in your studies you find that the Millennium "a figurative period of the Church Age" began at the Cross (or perhaps at Pentecost) and ended with the Great Tribulation.

And the Great Tribulation started in 1948 when Israel became a Nation on to the present day. Wow!

Bible Alone for one Millennium means a thousand years. That doesn't add up.

Also the Great Tribulation described in the scripture is three and a half years. That also doesn't add up!

I don't think I will be asking you to tell how you came up with that.

We will have to just agree to disagree.

Thanks for responding.

God bless.

Hey brother S Spencer,

Thank you.

Number 3, referring to those who start their theology with a doctrine they choose. I understand this as preconceived ideas in our minds that block the truth of scripture. We share the same view: the time of Jacob's trouble will not be seven years, but in Revelation 11:2, it will be; they will tread under foot forty-two months. The kingdom will be established on this earth, an unconditional promise from God, and the land of Israel will be restored.

Just like pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation doctrines. Regardless of which is believed, these are doctrines of the rapture of the Church, not about the first resurrection, which scripture says there are only two. These seven years are not explicitly in Revelation but are often associated with a doctrine derived from Daniel 9:27, which is part of the 490-year or 70-week prophecy given to Daniel. This prophecy concerns the people of Israel and Jerusalem, with 490 years allotted for six specific events, and the destruction of the city and temple in vs 26 by the prince, Titus, and the people, the Roman army in 70 AD.

Additionally, verse 25 states that from the commandment, it will be 69 weeks until the Messiah. This occurred in Matthew 3:16, Luke 3:21-22, and was confirmed by Peter in John 1:45. The seven years had already passed when verse 26 states, "after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off/crucified. 7 + 62 = 69 weeks. Jesus was anointed, and about 3.5 years later, He was crucified, not for Himself but for us. This was in the middle of the 70th week and ended the need for sacrifice and oblations, Scripture, not doctrine.

The prophecy given to Daniel in Chapter 9 has been fulfilled; the 70 weeks ended when Stephen was killed. Blindness is in part, and the gospel went to the Gentiles until their fullness. The 7 years are only part of the doctrine of the rapture of the Church, not in Scripture.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Bible Alone.

Sorry for such a late response.

You stated, "Christ Himself states this very clearly in John 18:36. The Kingdom of Christ consists of ALL of God's Elect throughout the history of the world,

Here's how John 18:36 reads, "Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

JESUS SAID HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD!

The Davidic Kingdom, established through the covenant with King David, is a specific EARTHLY KINGDOM with a physical lineage and earthly reign.

The Kingdom of God, on the other hand, is a BROADER CONCEPT ENCOMPASSING GOD'S UNIVERSAL REIGN AND SOVEREIGNTY, both now and in the future, and can be entered through spiritual rebirth.

This is an eternal kingdom that has no beginning and ending and was never in need of being restored.

Blessings.

Thank you GiGi for sharing more about Kim's situation (past & present). Will continue to lay her life and concerns before the LORD of mercies and comfort. May He reveal Himself to her in such a way that her spirit will be lifted and her sorrows fade away for the Glory of the Living Loving God ministering to her. May the LORD strengthen you too in your deep concern for your friend, that every contact you make with her will be as God's Hands to bless and encourage her.

Thank you Aer805,

I appreciate your prayers and concern.

Thanks Chris,

Yes, she is in deep with self-pity. It has not been easy for her these past 30 years because her husband was a self-centered, unbeliever who did not care for her well through that time. She was able to get around well, care for herself, help out at my school and go to church easily up until about 2018 when her body began to get so achy from all the compensation her body was doing for the weaker, paralyzed side of her body. Once they hunkered down during covid, things just went downhill quickly. Her husband had lung cancer, then prostate cancer and finally leukemia, which took his life. In all the years of her disability, he did not help out much at home, still expecting her to cook all the meals, take care of the house and all while he worked. So, things have been hard for her for decades but expressly less manageable these past 5 years.

She is embarassed about her situation now, especially since she has gained so much weight and cannot keep herself showered and primped like she used to do. I pray that God will bring about a better solution to her life at this time and that she will become more open to having me visit. I would like to visit her once a week. I have only seen her a few times in the past 5 years. She was very fearful of covid and got used to not going anywhere for so many months. Well, things just got away from her and now she is in a bad situation. We have been friends for 30+ years.

Dear Richard,

Thanks you for your prayers for Kim.

I am glad to know that your trip to your cabin gave you some answers as to what needs to be done to make it a suitable place to stay.

I continue to pray for you and for your dad.

Hi Lbooth1955.

I got your sequence on the End times events.

Nicely laid out

Thanks.

God bless

Something to think about:

Psalms 104:34

"My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD

In the time of sadness, we can always be glad we have GOD.

Amen!!!

Psalms 64:10

"The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory."

"Lord, help my unbelief,". Mark 9:24

This morning I heard some one say that

" honest doubt is better than fake faith.

Mark 9:24

"And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief."

Matthew 17:20

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

Just wanted to share this thought.

Thanks for reading. Be blessed.

Part 3.

In Daniel 9:20 we see Daniel making supplication before the LORD and confessing his sin and the sin of HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL.

"And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

In Verse 23 we see Gabriel come to give him answers according to his prayer. Daniel 9:23.

In verse 24 he says "Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE! ISRAEL!

The great Tribulation is to drive Israel to acknowledge their Saviour.

This is prophesied in Hosea 5:15. "I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

In Matthew 23:38-39 Jesus says "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Israel will be saved out of the tribulation when they call on the name of the Lord.

Jeremiah 30:7 "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

The Church will be kept from the HOUR of the tribulation!

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM THE HOUR of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

FROM THE HOUR of TEMPTATION!

The Church won't be here during this time period!

If the Church is raptured after the Great tribulation and the rest of the world is annihilated who's going to populate the Millenium?

Is the rapture a resurrection? No. Some of this group is alive!

Are those who are alive, then caught up "part" of the first resurrection? Yes.

The first resurrection is better understood as a category rather than a sequence.

Those who are in Christ whether sleep or alive is part of the first Resurrection.

More perhaps later

Blessings.

Psalm 103:19,

proverbs 19:21,

isaiah 55:11. kjv.

Greetings

James 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?"

James 2:22 "Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

Hebrews 10:24 "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:"

Blessings

The harmony of God's Word is so beautiful and bursting with hope! Thank you for these promises and reassurance! They are much needed in such a time as this!

I will pray for your friend Kim. It sounds like a difficult situation. I pray she will continue in faith and not give up on the Lord.

Dear Chris,

I want to take a moment to thank you for your thoughtful response to my statements regarding the olive tree. While we may not see eye to eye on every detail, I truly value the dialogue we share. It is clear that there are certain points where we do find common ground, and I find that very encouraging.

It is a real pleasure to read your responses and to consider your perspective as we both continue to learn and grow in our understanding. I appreciate the time and care you put into your thoughts, and I look forward to continuing our discussions.

Thank you once again.

With respect and gratitude,

LBooth