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I'm not sure this is 100% the answer you're looking for so I'll open the floor to others to chime in. My understanding was Pharaoh was of a different generation than the first born slain during passover. However, Pharaoh's first-born was indeed slain. Here's the defining meaning from Websters 1828 Dictionary (the true Christian's dictionary):

FIRST'-BORN, adjective

1. First brought forth; first in the order of nativity; eldest; as the first-born son.

2. Most excellent; most distinguished or exalted. Christ is called the first-born of every creature. Colossians 1:1.

David Earl Taylor,

The answer to that would be no. Belief alone does not save a person. A person must act upon that belief and surrender their life to Christ. There has to be a Spiritual birth that takes place.

In John 3:3, Jesus tells Nicodemus that, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus was a Pharisee and they were the strictest of the religious sect of the Jews. They kept the law to the letter. However, that will not get them into heaven.

So Jesus tells Nicodemus, "Except a man, (a person), be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

The word "again" in the Greek text is literally the word above. It is not PALIN, which is the word for again. It is the word ANOTHEN, which means "from above." So He is saying that if a person is not born from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God. What a thing to say to the Jewish leader who just gave you a complement in Verse 2!

You see, the Lord sees right past that and gets right to the heart of the issue. And basically He's telling Nicodemus, you are a leader of the Jews and you are recognizing who I am, but let me tell you something. You are a leader of the Jews and you are lost. You are not going to heaven the way you are right now. Every person must experience a spiritual birth from heaven, that is, the source of it is from heaven, not from man, and not from man's belief. It's a spiritual birth!

So, to answer your question, "Can they still go to heaven on believing that Jesus died and rose again, even though they trusting what they can do also?" I would say that the finished work of Christ is sufficient, apart from trusting in what we can do also. We cannot add anything to what Jesus Christ did for us. A person must surrender their life to Christ. They must be born from above. Apart from that, no one will enter into heaven.

Galatians 2:16 -

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith

We cannot be saved BY the keeping of the law. Our obeying God's Word is the fruit of the indwelling of the Spirit BECAUSE we are saved. We must rest our whole foot of faith on Jesus, Who is the only One Who kept the entire law for our sake, that His righteousness might be imputed to us. Amen! Praise the Lord!

Blessings!

I believe this depends whether or not they truly receive the Grace of Jesus by Faith (Salvation). The moment Jesus Christ died on the Cross, He fulfilled the law and Grace by His Blood became the only means of Salvation. When I was catholic growing up I believed that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the grave...but I wasn't saved. The catholic church set aside a myriad of works and I didn't even know the basic means of Salvation. If you know someone like this, share with them the GOOD news...we know longer have to live under the works of the law for Salvation:

Ephesians 2:8-10

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

"By Grace are ye saved through Faith and that not of yourselves" (works of the law or works by any other means of religion) and concluding "not of works, lest any man should boast."

Amen!

Could it be you're thinking of Matthew 10:8? "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

I checked in my Bible to see if there were any cross reference to a psalm, and there wasn't.

Hoping this helps!

Blessings!

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

("us" is plural. God is plural.)

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

"there are three"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word was God."

There is no denying this says and means the Word was God. Who is the Word? The rest of John 1 reveals who.

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"Christ Jesus...being in the form of God"

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

Sorry i offended you, it was not my aim to do so. Because you think in a certain way that doesn't mean that everybody else is reacting the same way. People are different with one another. Don't forget that satan uses any chance he can get to put his thoughts in one's mind and cause a damage.

Again sorry.

Yes that is right GiGi. The word catholic comes from the Greek word katholikos which means " the whole". That is universal. It has nothing to do with the RomanCatholic church (I have nothing against Catholics though I disagree with many of their teachings).

The Greek Orthodox Church uses the Nicene Creed which is a bit different from the one you mentioned in your post.

GBU

When will the 2 witness be there in the first half of the tribulation or in the last half of the tribulation. That must be n wonderfully experience for the Jewish people.

I am trying to find the Psalm verse to give the word for free and charge not.

In my experience, get him to read in the KJV about Trinity. He needs to believe the Bible, instead of his own beliefs.

Hey Jay,

The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.

My understanding of scripture.

You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6

You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10

You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16

You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7

You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22

You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3

You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9

You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10

Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11

You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10

Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?

Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11

God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33

God bless,

RLW

I have wondered how believing in the "finished work" of Christ is a doctrine of the Bible. When Christ died and said "it is finished" he could have meant a lot of things (his life was ended, his suffering was over, the sacrifice for sin was done etc.), but the Bible doesn't teach us just to believe in the "finished work". Since we live in an entitlement society I fear that we use that phrase to apply to us that we no longer have to labor in his kindgom. I listed a few of the teachings and promises of the Bible that apply to our response to his death on cross. Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. We are justified by faith (a total belief in what God has said, commanded, done etc.). Hebrews 11 the faith chapter talks of faith having a response. James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Mat. 25 has several examples of people that were lost at the end of time because they didn't do God's work even though they had a certain knowledge of Him. Faith obviously has to precede anything we do, but if time allows us to labor God expects that of us. Let's all be "wise virgins".

Say a person, believes that Jesus died and rose again, but is also trusting their keeping of the law to get them in heaven. Can they still go to heaven on believing that Jesus died and rose again, even though they trusting what they can do also?

Faring very well brother Carleton - all the better now, having your presence here again with us.

Fine words from that dear departed brother. Of course, I immediately thought of Job & the limits that God had set upon Satan, that he could not test Job any further than permitted. If that is the case for each person, yet blindness comes to so many from him concerning Kingdom Truths, how privileged we are as believers who have a second Sentinel in the Holy Spirit to watch over our hearts, giving us all the necessary armour to withstand the enemy's thrusts. We really have no excuse when we fall for his trickery & deceptions.

Yes! You are Correct.

The 7th Trumpet Will Sound First.

Then The Dead In Christ Shall Rise (Come Out Of) Their Graves.

And They (The Risen Dead) Shall Appear Unto Many Of Us. Matt.27:53

Then: We which Are Alive And Remain (On The Earth):

Shall Be Caught Up (In Excitment) Together With Them In The Clouds.

In The Clouds? Ezek.3816 / Hebrew.12:1 / Isaiah 60:8

Who Are These that Fly As A Cloud To Their Windows?

God Likens People To Clouds.

So: We (Clouds) Shall Be Caught Up (In Excitement) Together With Those

(Clouds) Who Have Risen Out Of Their Graves And Walk Among Us.

And We Will All Meet The Lord In The Air.

In The Air? (In The Air Waves) In Cyber Space.

Back To Isaiah 60:8 Who Are These That Fly As A Cloud To Their Windows?

Their Windows?

Their Computer Screens: Windows 9 / Windows 10 / Windows 11

Who Are They That Fly (Rush / Hurry) To Their Windows?

They Are God's Children Who Are Eagerly Waiting For Their Lord's Return To Earth.

Jesus is Going To Come Back "To" The Earth. He Is "Not Going To Hover" In The Heavens "And Wait" For All Of His Children To Fly Up To Where He Is.

And So (In This Way) Shall We Ever Be With The Lord.

In This Way? (Via Internet) Every Eye Shall See Him.

Re: Rapture? Nothing But Wishful Imaginations.

It Is Written in Hebrews 9:27

It Is Appointed Unto Men (People) Once To Die;

But After This The Judgement.

No-One Can Escape Their God-Given Appointment With Death.

Matt.24:13 / Mark 13:13

Ye Shall Be Hated Of All Men For My Name's Sake:

But He That Shall Endure (Persecution) Unto The End (Unto Death),

The Same Shall Be Saved.

Rev.6:11 White Robes were Given Unto Every One Of Them; And It was Said Unto Them, That They Should Rest Yet For A Little Season,

Until Their Fellowservants Also And Their Brethren, That Should Be Killed As They Were, Should Be Fulfilled.

2 Thess.2:3 Let No Man Deceive you By Any Means:

For That Day Shall Not Come, Except There Be A Falling Away First.

Thank you Chris. At this point in my early study of Hebrews, I lean towards the author was speaking to Jewish believers. Believers that would not lose their salvation but will be judged. He was warning them to not do as their fathers had done, not trusting God, even after having knowledge- essentially trodding under the foot the son of God.

10:30b and again the Lord shall judge his people.

Thank you for your input, I will stay in prayer and study.

Yes yes yes ! We need to read it all ! For some reason some people just don't get that it's all totally relevant . It's all the Word of God , it all helps us to get to know Him and draw closer to Him and recognise him in our daily lives . If you read a novel or a biography of some one you were interested in and it was a really big in-depth study of this person and you knew for sure that it was an honest account of them and their life , you would feel pretty confident afterwards that you knew that person quite well even though you hadn't actually met them , yes ? It's the same with the whole Bible ! Every book tells us things , important interesting things about our God our Creator our Sustainer our Redeemer . Why would you not want to know as much as possible about Him ? The Bible is the way to get to know your God and His Son . There are no extraneous bits , it's not like a poorly written novel , full of irrelevant filler . It's all relevant and helpful to us to increase our understand and appreciation of our Heavenly Father and His Son .

If the firstborn of Egypt was cursed to be struck down, why then did the Pharaoh live through it? Was he not the firstborn, and if not, then how did he become pharaoh?

I agree with T Levis on this . When some one is first starting out on their Biblical journey , it can b confusing to hear , from people , terms that r not in the Bible . There is enough information in the Bible to keep most of us busy for a lifetime , adding non Biblical terms can throw newbies off track and distract them from the important stuff that is actually in the Bible . My advice ? Just encourage him to read it , all of it and ask questions from others who have read and understood it as best as we can in this life . U could tell him about this web site . Hope u both enjoy growing closer to God through His Word .

If the first born are blessed by the father, why then did Abraham not bless Ishmael as he was the firstborn of him. I understand that God had blessed Ishmael, but that doesn't change the fact that Isaac is still the second born. I also understand that Sarah was blessed to be pregnant but she still gave birth to Abrahams 2nd child.

Good to hear from u David , I was missing your posts and I'm glad to know that u r ok . May God continue to bless you and all your loved ones .

Hi Gigi , I wouldn't dream of commenting on some thing I know that I know nothing about , I'm sure that it's very helpful to some to learn things off by heart , like rhymes and such like , in order to help them remember things . As long as they are Biblical I have no objection to learning /memory aides . Much love in Christ .

Where do we read in the Word about Satan's fall and that one third of the angels were cast out with him? I saw in Revelations 12 it mentions it but is that not supposed to still happen?

ELB: you give me much to pray about, much that I already had questions about.

Predestination, elect, mans free will, to name a few. As I have said before I am now reading/studying the word more than I ever have in the past. In that studying I seem to have more questions and have unfortunately discovered the vast and seemingly endless differing interpretations, which can bring unrest my way. That being said, it is imperative that I

stay in the word, in prayer and ask for illumination. I don't have the verse right now but: but I have to believe that the Holy Spirit will lead me to the truth.

I once asked a biblical scholar-years ago-something about the Bible, I don't recall the exact question, but he said remember the two greatest commandments and left it at that.

His response has stayed with me. During this time of study and at times unrest, my desire is to not get 'lost' in knowledge but to keep the two greatest commandments front and center. 'For they will know us by our love', sorry don't have the verse but it sums it up.

Phil 1:29; 2 Pet 1:1; Acts 3:16; Eph 2:8-9 support what I believe you are saying.

Jn 15:4-6 speaks about us abiding in him and he in us.

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The writer exalts Jesus Christ above all others throughout this letter, yet he deals with the fact that there were amongst the mainly converted Jews & Gentiles, those who were either not true believers, or at least, influencing those that were, by introducing aspects of Judaism that would attempt to nullify the efficacy of Christ's Blood & the New Covenant in it, e.g. by bringing in the obedience to the Law or aspects of it.

This then is a word of encouragement ( Hebrews 10:35, Hebrews 13:22) to them to endure & to live by faith & not as those who "draw back unto perdition" ( Hebrews 10:38). I believe those who were truly saved amongst them, would be saved to eternity, but as in every letter by the various writers, words of warning & encouragement were always given that they might stay strong & true to the Lord & not suffer under His Hand (such as those who suffered sickness or death because wilful sin - but their souls might be preserved, e.g. 1 Corinthians 11:27-32). I hope this short study helps you somewhat.

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Hello Janet. Unfortunately, I don't consider Hebrews 10:26 in exactly the same way as the good doctor. It is true, that Israel suffered badly because of their unbelief, whether in regards to Moses or from the report of the spies sent into the Promised Land, but God was ready to forgive them if they turned back to Him & purposed in their hearts to follow Him. The doctor probably wanted to show how Israel also behaved by committing 'wilful sin', but looking at Hebrews, we see a different application.

In Hebrews chapter 10, it is an entirely different matter - nothing to do with the events in Numbers (though the matter of Israel's sins can be seen). The essence of this chapter is the finality (or, completeness/perfection) of Christ's Sacrifice when contrasted with the lack of finality of the OT system of Laws & Sacrifices. The redemption accomplished in Christ has no more need of a repetition or any supplementation of it.

I can't take you right through the chapter, but to focus on verse 26. The essential question is, 'what is this wilful sin(s)?' The Hebrews writer goes on to explain it. It is a sin that is committed after "receiving the knowledge of the truth". Then in verse 29, the writer explains it: it's when that sinner "hath trodden under foot the Son of God..counting the blood of the covenant..an unholy thing..doing despite unto the Spirit of grace". The writer uses very strong language here, showing the devastating effects of unbelief & perversion of the Truths of Christ's Sacrifice. I can hardly put those words into any other contemporary expressions, as the Scriptures show the gravity of their sins.

Pray and ask God to give you wisdom. Ask God to open the understanding of both your hearts. A good prayer to pray is one the Apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:15-23. You have planted the seed. Allow God to do the watering. God bless you and your family!

Very Well Said.

Here's how God says it.

2 Tim.4:5 Make Full Proof of thy ministry.

How do we make Full Proof?

Matt.18:16 In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses Every word may be Established.

Example: Jesus Says in John 6:70

Have not I chosen you twelve, and ONE of you IS a devil?

Which disciple was Jesus Speaking of?

Was it Judas?

Witness #1 The Mouth Of The Disciple Matthew.

Matt.16:23 Jesus Said To Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

Witness #2 The Mouth Of The Disciple Mark.

Mark 8:33 Jesus said to Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

Witness #3 The Mouth Of The Disciple Luke.

Luke 4:8 Jesus said to Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

At Least 3 Witnesses Heard The Mouth Of Jesus

Call Simon Peter, Satan.

GOD Has Established That Simon Peter "Was The One Devil"

That Jesus Spoke Of.

"Four Mouths" All Say The "Same" Thing.

Matthew, Mark, Luke AND Jesus Himself.

Judas Was A Traitor (Not a devil).

I'm sorry if you think that I've responded to you in an unacceptable way. This is a general discussion section, where comments of various types are presented, so one should be prepared to defend their beliefs, if they wish to do so. Personally, I love questions: they make me think, pray, search the Scriptures for the answer, as well as for the knowledge I can build up on.

Just to answer the one question you posed: "Just tell me the book, chapter and verse where God changed his mind and took away the day he gave his children." The Law, including the Sabbath, still holds true for Israel, from the first day it was given till now - therefore there can never be a verse to rescind that Law for THEM, i.e. they will be judged by the Law ( Romans 2:12). But for those of us not under the Law (both saved Jew & Gentile) & have found redemption in Christ Jesus, that Law that only brought condemnation & death to those under it ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-17) was entirely done away with (verses 11-13) & has no application or power to the one IN Christ. If the believer should say that I'm in Christ & also want to keep the Law to be right with God, he has fallen from grace ( Galatians 5:4).

I'll stop here - just wanted to answer your question. You may not care for the answer, & that's fine, but when we take in the whole Word of God & not a single verse, the proper understanding of a matter can be appreciated.