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Rev 11: 15 The KiNGDOMS of this WORLD have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ..And he shall reign for ever and ever...After all Jesus says the Kingdom of God is gona be with in you...And king David said he saw ALL the world at rest and full of his Glory... Psalms 72 And Isaiah 14 the world is full of his Glory

The name Arcturus references the constellation Ursa Major (The Great Bear) which lies roughly 46 million light years away from earth. It is considered the third largest constellation in the heavens seen from our planet. The seven primary stars of Ursa Major are also called, in modern times, the "Big Dipper," "Charles's Wain" and other names.

Both God and Job reference Arcturus as an example of the Lord's power and infinite wisdom. It is possible that "the sons," connected to the constellation in Job 38:32, is in reference to the three stars found in the bear's "tail" (the three brightest stars in the Big Dipper's handle seen below).

God bless you all

Chris

I decided to do an exposition of 1 Peter 3:19-20 under the 1 Peter 3 discussions to give my view of the full set of parallels Peter is making in what I believe is the chiastic (inverted parallel) structure of these four verses that all hinge on the phase "The like figure whereupon". If you want to discuss this further please do it there. I appreciate your thoughts on the passage, and critiques of what I've said here and would value your response to that post.

The controversy I stirred up by my introduction of this passage and my admittedly casual and free use of topology and short-hand summary terms that are far more objectionable to many than I had any idea about in a quickly drafted and not fully thought through series of posts has taken this thread side ways. Hopefully my new post under 1 Peter 3 takes the critiques offered here into account and sticks to what the passage actually says, at least in my view, much better.

Yes ! They want smooth words instead of the Truth . For me it's just laziness , if you want to know the Truth , I mean really know it in capital letters , then you must read it for yourself . God's plan of salvation for us in Christ is actually quite simple , the rest is meat and drink to our hungry souls as we wait for the Kingdom , when I read the whole Bible it's strengthens me so much to see how God is in charge . He leaves nothing to chance and He knows each and everyone of us intimately , we don't need to be afraid in these dark times , as Jesus said , even the very hairs on each of our heads is numbered .The more we read the closer we feel to Him and our hearts are strengthened and our faith flourishes within us so that we can withstand anything this world throws at us , even our own deaths if we have to . Be not soon shaken ! Christ is coming ! For you !

Amen Chris also keep in mind that the flood of Noah was symbolic of the spirit that is gonna flood the World Joel 2 : 28 I will pour out my Spirit on ALL FLESH...Knowledge shall Cover the earth as the waters Cover the Seas...And John 7 : 39 says when Jesus speak of water it was just prophetic of his Spirit the H.G. For the H.G. was not yet given b/c that Christ was not Glorified...And Peter tells us of the water of the Word...the H.G. That living water That cleans the Church...I.E. when Jesus said if any man thirst it was not about h20 but his Spirit...Whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again...But the water that i shall give him shall be a well of water springing up unto everlasting life...ok lemme go...GBU Chris

Alex, please look to the top of this thread for my comments to you - went there in error.

Thank you Alex, I did read Hebrews 9:14 & then re-read 1 Peter 3:21. I assume your comments are directing my focus on the words "purge your conscience" (in Hebrews), & "a good conscience" (in 1 Peter).

If that's the case, then the Greek words that apply to those verses are 'katharizo' (meaning, to cleanse, or remove), and 'agathos' (meaning, good, pleasant, peaceful); different words - different applications. I fully agree that only the Blood of Jesus can cleanse & remove our sins & guilt completely, as that Blood presents before God continually to be applied to all who come to Him via the Cross; & yes, even make our consciences clear from old 'dead works', believing those Truths & the God Who truly does all that He says.

However in 1 Peter 3:21, the matter is about the other aspect of salvation, i.e. as Noah & family were saved by the flood water bearing them up in the Ark, so to water in baptism also saves - not for outward cleansing (of the flesh), but of cleansing our conscience in a visible act of identification with Jesus in His death, burial, & resurrection. And clearly Peter never implies that water baptism is needed for salvation, for baptism cannot save, only repentance & faith in Christ's finished Work can. But water baptism provides the new believer, through a physical act, a conscience (or, you can read it as 'a mind') that is satisfied, contented, at peace that all that has happened inwardly, is enacted outwardly as a testimony to self & others. When Satan comes knocking at our door, as he always does to refute our faith & new life in Jesus, that physical act of identification with Christ will be sufficient proof to hit him between the eyes - our testimony: Jesus died for me - I'm now identified completely with my Saviour.

So both passages of Scripture are different in application: one, the purging of sin-wrecked consciences; & the other, giving of peace & assurance to revived, renewed consciences.

Thank you T Levi's . It can be a bit hard on here sometimes when you have been reading people's posts and feel affection for them and then one day they are just gone . I've been reading this site for a couple of years now and I can think of a few that just seemed to disappear overnight and I can't help wondering if they are ok . I shouldn't worry I know , they are all passionate Christians and wherever they are I know their faith is strong and God is watching over them . It's going to be so awesome to meet all of the people from this site in the Kingdom of God , this is the thing that keeps me going in this distressing times , this site is so helpful , when it's good on here it's really good ! Much love to all my brothers and sisters in Christ .

Thank you for your comment. There is no doubt we should all take encouragement from the parallel Peter draws between the salvation of Noah and his household through the flood and the salvation we as believers each receive through water baptism.

I would only say that in this context Peter is not focused primarily on the baptism of a single individual, but is viewing baptism as a distinguishing characteristic of the household of believers being saved by this critical component of the great commission. All of the other parallels, in my view, call us to look beyond just ourselves and our individual experiences of santification, God's patience, and vindication. These are things all of those who make up God's true church must share in and continue until the great commission is fulfilled. That is why the great commission and Christ's presence with those that carry it out is promised to last even until the end of the age.

I believe Peter's message is that any sufferings we experience and endure that are in service of Christ and that God permits are carried out in service of the great commission as well. When we are able to see that the sufferings you, I or any of our brothers and sisters endure in this manner continue to unite us to Christ and God's larger plan for this age, the Holy Spirit can use that as a real source of encouragement.

Can you explain more on Psalm 23:5

Chris ya need to read Hebrews 9 : 14 ...Its only by the blood of the lamb Christ Jesus,..That New Covenant the CROSS that can purge your Conscience...not by water baptism....lest our lord shed his blood in vain...In the O.T. it was by the blood of animals but now its by the Blood of Christ Jesus...ok...Actually Chris it wd be a good idea to read the whole book of Hebrews...Keeping in mine the CROSS WAS A New Covenant in his Blood...When i was young i tried to memorize the whole book of HEBREWS...but it was just too many words but i did manage to memorize the whole 11 th chapter...the faith Chapter...ok GBU Chris

Because they are wrong, and have been wrong for centuries. The Lord has kept them in the dark because they preach their opinion over what was written.

There is nothing worse that a foolish preacher. If you witness this, challenge it, and stop it before it grows.

Hi dear. In Norway and other country now, the state church itself goes and contradicts its own words. That all must be preached the word! Idolatry with shame, I say this has entered our society and then through those who should have held back. And work against those who want to go out with the word! But then they have also come to the cult of the flesh that allows gays and marriages. And these get to adopt.

We must never become so humane that everything is allowed. For should the Love of God be about what we abhor, no one is to be spared.

With the last remnant of my voice I want to say man and man, woman and woman are an abomination unparalleled. They should never be parents. For the care of other people is lukewarm in such. How can they teach when they are unable to teach themselves?

God bless you all who want to live right with Almighty God in Jesus name, love you in Christ. Philemon 1-25

Philemon 1-7

Every day i thank you all here on the web. It has become so important for me to share my heart with you. Live well and take care of yourself. And remember if we are not seen in this world, we will be seen in the coming :) i thank Him for the new life He has given in the Kingdom of the Holy Spirit.

Hallelujah praised be the Lord Jesus Christ who was and who is and who is to come. My Spirit rejoices this Sunday with joy and praise to Him who has finished everything for us!

Hi and thanks for the nice words. there was nothing stopping me from reading and understanding what you wrote. It was a good angle to put it that way. Never thought of that before. But water baptism has been in a light of necessity for me all my life and is important. To be on the safe side. :)

Good luck and be blessed with word from Philemon 1:1-7

Thank you Rich. I only saw this comment of yours after replying to the later one from you.

Indeed brother S. Spencer, Amen. Christ was indeed the second Adam, but more importantly, I feel, the last Adam, i.e. there could be no further attempt by the Father to give any better than the best He gave in Jesus, His Word.

That is why I sense that Paul quoted the first part of 1 Corinthians 15:45, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul" referring to Genesis 2:7. But the latter part, "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit", to which there was no direct OT reference in terms of 'another Adam', was Paul's belief that Jesus too had to come in perfection just as the first Adam, if there was to be any hope for us. But now, with the failure of the first & sin's consequences upon all, the Last would effect a Work that not only showed His perpetual purity but also be the God-given means of giving new life (resurrection) to dead souls through His Life & Death.

I fully agree with what you have written, Rich. One can certainly use the Ark, its door, the man Noah, possibly even the dove (if one tries hard), to find references to the Person & Work of Christ for mankind's salvation.

However, since you quoted 1 Peter 3:18-22 & then wrote, ""By like figure" is Peter's way of saying baptism and the resurrection of Christ is the antitype of Noah and his household being saved in the Arc", I then wrote that the 1st Peter reference wasn't directed to Christ being the antitype of Noah, but to the 'water'. That is, the "like figure" that Peter mentioned looks back to the flood of water & not to Noah, to which Peter then talks of water baptism: that any salvific component in it was not for the cleansing of the flesh but of imputing a pure conscience of the baptizee towards God. As said earlier, Noah & other aspects of this account can help us to see some glimpses of Christ, but I don't believe that Peter intended that in his passage.

The WORD of the Lord will endure forever. Thank you Father for your love for us and blessings you give us that we may be a blessing unto others.

May we be faithful in our prayers for the leadership of the USA as well as for your hand of mercy unto the conflict in Ukraine.

March 6, 2022

Possibly out of tradition.

In these several years of difficulty personally longer & even for " traditional American churches" it has given many of us opportunity to look deeper into scripture, understanding & " tradition " within the fellowships & to ask why, are they doing this, & that. I hope, pray & believe through these trials a better, more biblical, believing Church will come forth.

Online : is the brightest star in Northern celestial hemisphere, fourth brightest in night sky, called a bright red giant star,

Hopefully helpful

(Not duplicate-all duplicate posts removed)

I believe that 1 Peter 3:19-22 is a chiasm (inverted parallelism) which is common in the Psalms and Hebrew expressions that are intended to be memorized / memorable. He is addressing suffering Christians and wants to encourage them to patiently endure that suffering by likening their experience to what God did with Noah, but shows that it happens in an inverted order. Here is how I see it laid out.

The like figure whereunto

(Salvation of a chosen few from a wicked generation by water)

wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

even baptism doth also now save us

(Preparation/Santification)

while the ark was a preparing,

(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection

(God's patience based on a chosen one)

when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,

of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;

(Vindication)

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient,

angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

I believe Peter's audience needed to endure through days that he wanted to liken to the days of Noah for encouragement. Baptism is a source of encouragement and the easiest parallel to draw from the passage, but I believe he intended his audience to draw more encouragement than just that. If you don't agree and think I'm pushing this text beyond what it is meant to say, or if you think I've grouped things illogically, lets discuss it.

Aw you're so sweet. I hope you'll stick with us through those days we all have sometimes. You have to go forward with the Light that the Holy Spirit shows you about scriptures. Some things are new to me, then someone else with more light comments even more info. I'll be like WOW, I never saw it that way.

We're all trying to help others with the hard sayings.

I actually enjoy the Gospels more. When I see the differences in the disciples, it helps you see that God knows we have really good stuff inside of us. There is always info someone can benefit from some one on one. All you have to do is invite Holy Spirit to teach you what something means, to you for today. Say it every day.

I been in street evangelism and my perspective is geared more in that direction. Humbly, I don't know all of the history of other cultures and countries. But there are people in here who do, and would share it with seekers.

All are welcome at Jesus's Table. We dine on the Bible and pass it along to those who want more. I like those passages of Jesus eating with the Disciples. We can still do that :D. There is no limitation on APPETITE.

Job 38:32

Who is Arcturus and his sons?

That's pretty funny how interpreting this verse that way means Adam could have been 334.8 million years old.

Noah enduring the 40 days of rain could have been over 109 years of rain, or 1 hour.

Where is it stated I found it in 2 Peter 3:8. It is says 1 day for God is equal to a thousand years on earth. To get a good grasp of this read the entire chapter of 2 Peter 3.

Why do preachers preach that the church will be gone during tribulation when the bible does not say that.

Hi Don Kauffman.

I agree with Brother Adam.

We have to be consistent with scripture, There is no where in scripture where they calculates days as a thousand years. If so Adam would be 1000 x 360 x 930. Wow! Those would be very long days. Adam would have been 334,800,000. years old when he died.

But we can't ignore the second half of 2 Peter 3:8.

"and a thousand years as one day."

That takes us in the opposite direction! Which makes a thousand years very short.

Adam probably would be a few seconds old when he died.

So which half of 2 Peter 3:8 do we use?

So let's examine that scripture again and put it in its context taking it from verse 3 on to verse 9. and you will see the emphasis is on Gods patience, and longsuffering, Not the length of days.

2 Peter 3:3-9. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; BUT IS LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Amen Brother Adam.

Well stated.

God bless.

Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that I have offended someone here.Or I have used a scripture out of context or made some mistakes. Im still very fallible. I have just come back to the Lord with my WHOLE heart about 7 months ago. By His grace! So i ask for mercy and forgiveness. I ask for grace and pardon. And I'm also willing to grant the same.

Psalms 3:3