Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 864

This chapter involves the initial searching out of the land of Canaan by one person designated from each of the tribes. This went on for forty days. Apparently; there was indeed the abundance of "milk and honey" (v. 27); with the abundance of fruit demonstrated to be found in verses 23-26. Among the nationalities represented there were the "children of Anak" (v. 28; 32-33). These were giants; descendants of the hybrid races of fallen angels with women-just one group of many who were throughout the area the Lord had given to Israel as their possession.

None of this; of course was any surprise to God. Caleb along with Joshua were the ONLY two recorded of the WHOLE multitude that had departed from Egypt 40 years prior that had survived the wilderness because of the iniquity-this was despite God's providence for that WHOLE time of the manna; AND the shoes never wearing out despite the arid and hot conditions in the desert. Trusting the Lord clearly gave Caleb a completely different perspective where he stated that they were WELL able to overcome it; that is take over. When the Lord devotes something to destruction it is a done deal. He would fight for His children; as He had demonstrated before against Pharaoh and his armies.

The consequences of half-heartedness resulted in a further delay in the conquest; in fact the whole area promised to Israel has yet to this day not been taken over; that will be complete in the Millennium; although perhaps the Psalm 83 war may further facilitate this process in the meantime. Time and time again it was idolotry and sin that caused the Jewish nation to live in unbelief. Despite all this; He is faithful. Praise the Lord for that.

Thank you :-). Amen

I love you, body of Christ

Love God

Love one another

Fervently

This chapter once again demonstrates as in earlier chapters with Abraham that the Lord takes a marriage covenant seriously as the "marriage bed is undefiled" ( Hebrews 13:4). The fact that this woman was Ethiopian is even more intriguing (verse 1). It is likely with intermarriage of course that Israelites would have assimilated with other nations and would have a more Middle East complexion. Obviously; Moses' wife may have had a much more African dark skinned appearance. Another issue they may have had is that they considered their nationality somehow superior as to the traditional place where the true God was worshipped. It is clear from historical records and even recent years with migration back to Israel that indeed Jews have one major population residing in Ethiopia.

In any event; Moses' character and unique relationship with the Lord was brought forth to Miriam and Aaron. The assail on his character and the marriage covenant was once again; as threatened in Genesis to those who had been told Abraham's wife was his sister were at risk of being cursed. In this case; AMONG His people leprosy broke out on Miriam. Aaron was the chief priest and it should also be noted in verse 9 and 10 that the Lord departed from the tabernacle; hence He was no longer there to guide the comings and goings. As always;

Moses interceded and she only had to remain outside the camp in this condition for seven days.

This passage of scripture once again shows how quickly pride can cause a fall. No one is immune if we are not careful. Praise God for His faithfulness that He ever intercedes for us in heaven as our High Priest. ( Hebrews 7:25; 4:14; etc)

It's easy to equate the 7 years to the tribulation but there are problems there on is the the tribulation is Jacob's trouble it's a time of wars and rumors of wars. So how can Israel bury bodies and burn weapons for seven years while they seemly are under attacks or war?

God is love

Amen Grae...well said

I do not believe that we should limit God's Holy Spirit . God uses whomever He sees fit to get His message across . We may not always agree with the posts on here , I know I don't and I'm sure plenty of people don't always agree with me , but I don't believe we have the right to pour cold water on anyone elses love and passion for the Truth . I believe in live and let live on here , if I don't feel as if I don't have much in common with someone I just don't read their posts but I usually try to read everything as I recognise that I have plenty still to learn and this seems like a great place to come for encouragement and refreshing my mind in the Word . Please try to remember these scriptures before getting annoyed or dismayed by what u read and jumping to conclusions : Luke Ch 9 V 49+50 , Mark Ch 9 V 36-40 , Matthew Ch 21 V 15+16 and 1st Samuel Ch 10 V 9-12 . If any of us on here honestly thinks that they know all about the Bible and that they can't learn something from others on here then I believe that they would b wrong about that and u don't learn from others by discouraging or disparaging them . God uses us all to teach and help each other , He wouldn't have brought us all together on here right now if He didn't want us to learn from each other . That's why we r here ! Because He wants us to b ! We must respect His judgement and each others existence on here as His will . Give God the glory and let's thank Him for each other . We r not all perfect yet ! One day soon I hope , we shall all b like Him .

There r and have been very many different denominations over the last two thousand years and I imagine that if they all taught the same thing then there wouldnt b any need for so many different denominations . U often mention church doctrines and for me to fully appreciate what u mean by that it would b helpful for me to know which church u r talking about so maybe I can research their doctrines and understand u better . I don't have the time or energy to research them all and even if I did I wouldn't want to try to second guess u and figure out which one u r refering to . It would defo help me to understand your posts better if u just told me which church u r talking about . Thanks in anticipation .

Hello Sara. Are you enquiring about the date of writing of the Gospel of Matthew? No correct date or year can be given as no such records have been kept. However, somewhere in the 60s AD is generally the years given for the writing of that Gospel by Matthew; some even give it an earlier date. And the Gospels would have been available to the Church & Church Fellowships farther away, some time later, but within the 1st & 2nd centuries. Luke 1:1-4; Acts 1:1,2.

Dear "MAR", it is impossible to simulate God, because You can not lie to Him. Therefore after having known His mighty power and looked miracles and not only in my life but in many. Then I'm sure of my case. We have only one God and to come to Him we must believe in Jesus Christ, today we live in His Holy Spirit. Who is with me all the time.

Especially when i pray (its a gift) He Is with me. James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

I have never regretted, on the contrary, i regret that i did not give up my self before. So that i could have known of the kingdom of heaven before in my life. It had saved me too much pain.

Be glad and repend u will se Him and He will never leave u. Amen Love u in Christ and werry much welcome.

Actually Now that I think about it we should say Christ is both the second and last Adam, not one or the other only. If we just say Christ is the last Adam, someone could say He is the last of 50 Adams and get our attention wasted on the 48 new Adams that person wants to talk about. Paul says both things about Christ, so that means there is only one Adam before Him, the original, and no Adam after Him. I think you can agree with me that is what Paul means. It is certainly what I mean to say. Christ is uniquely our Savior and no one else is worthy to be compared to Him.

Hi S. Spencer,

I hope you have had a good day. I have and God was faithful in reminding me to be prayerful today as I posted. I try to be everyday, but since I sought partners in prayer, I wanted to be extra faithful.

I was thinking this today. I read in Exodus 14 the account of the Israelite crossing of the Sea. The part that was brough to my mind today was where the Angel of the LORD and the pillar moved to the back of the Israelites to fight the Egyptians. It said that the LORD caused the wheels to come off of the chariots and the Egyptians began to flee back out of the seabed. So, I began praying asking God to cause the Russian machines to malfunction and be ineffective just like He disabled the Egyptian "war machines". That insight helped me in my prayers today.

Understood Suze,

God Bless You to tonight. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion on here. I am always helped by what others have to say. I may not always concur, and may voice this and say why, but I believe that that is allowed according to the guidelines.

Have a restful night's sleep and I'll "see" you tomorrow or so.

I can accept that the last Adam is the better term for the reasons you said. The second Adam is still a true statement, but doesn't close the door on their being another. In any case, I assume we are agreed that Adam is a type of Christ in the way Paul has described him.

I am going to give real consideration to your view on 1 Peter and Noah as something I need to meditate on more. Baptism does correspond to the water of the flood, but I think there is more of Christ being prefigured than your allowing, given that Christ Himself is brought forward by Peter when he talks about the Resurrection. I also feel the union between Christ and a believer is such that I believe we are always meant to see Christ through their faith when they consistently prevail in obedience as Noah did. All grace is empowered with Christ always being the substance of the likeness they are being conformed to. To the extent that You or I actually live out the Christian life from the heart, that is what is at work in us, never our abilities unsupported by grace or without Christ's likeness being revealed.

Noah's failure with the wine gives the first glimpse of when his obedience fails. The theme of Old Testament characters starting strong until they get a great victory and then suddenly failing as soon as the pressure is off or they seem to think God isn't watching shows how much God's grace enabled them. Adam fits this pattern and as far as I can recall to varying degrees so does everyone else until Christ fulfills all of the patterns prefigured without failure. But Adam is the template for gaining insight from the Holy Spirit. Still one of the challenges of correctly applying typology is that there are always similarities and dissimilarities at work, some subtle (Able and Joseph) and others swinging between extremes on both sides (Sampson and David).

Anyway, we are not meant to be duplicates of each other. We can both gain something from each other honestly stating our views.

Grae

Are you asking me this question?

If so, I am talking about the consistent teaching of the Christian church through the centuries. But you can always study this topic for yourself to see what has been considered orthodox Christian teachings within the Christian Church.

Alex,

With respect to you and love in the Lord, in your reply to me you judged me and spoke derogatorily about my views. But I am not personally offended by you in this.

I only point out the error of your teaching because I think it is very grievous and offends against teaching the Word of God.

I guess that I am probably not the first nor only person to point this out to you on this forum. I think it is very unliving to NOT speak to someone about serious error. That is why I reply to you this way. I am also concerned about those who read your erroneous viewpoint over and over again as you post it in almost every post you submit. I do not reply to every one of these posts by you, but do at intervals for the sake of readers who may be vulnerable to error and for your sake.

I am well aware of the guidelines for posting. It does not say we cannot disagree with another poster. But I will reread them so I can be sure I am respecting them. People are always free to criticize what I post. I do not consider that person as making this site their personal judgment hall. Usually a person would say that in order to silence another person. For me, I do not wish to discourage anyone from posting their views. But I do think that anyone posting on this public forum should realize that in doing so they place themselves in a position for their viewpoints to be evaluated, questioned, or criticized. I realize that I am a strong person in many ways. And this can bother another person. But I know that I never intend to be hurtful or unloving to anyone. I work hard at addressing viewpoints, ideas, interpretations of Scripture, and methodology for interpreting Scripture and not the character of another. I do not think I have questioned your character or defamed you here. But if you think I have, please tell me specifically what I posted that would qualify as that. I wish you well and extend the love of Christ to you in everything I say to you. I hope you can receive that from me.

1 Corinthians 10:13

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Just a reminder that our God is an understanding God. We beat ourselves up, and we at times find it very difficult to accept the forgiveness and mercy of God. We harbor unforgiveness and we forget that most important lesson Jesus taught to his disciples, that unless we forgive, our heavenly Father will not forgive us. May God never allow us to forget this most important lesson. May God never allow us to become a victim of deception in believing we can go on with unforgiveness, and bitterness in our hearts.

Hi Rich. I enjoy reading your comments as you have much to offer readers of God's Word & those who want to meditate further on it. But I want to address Adam's question to you which I believe is a fair one.

I understand you were happy to accept both phrases, 'the second Adam & the last Adam' as being applicable. I understand that the 'last Adam' phrase is significant because of the Plan of God to physically intrude into humanity for the purposes of effecting His Salvation. If Jesus was to be referred to as the 'second Adam', there would leave room for a third or a fourth Adam (i.e. other salvific efforts by God to correct any failed attempts by the previous ones). Therefore, the 'last Adam' should speak to us that as the first Adam failed in dealing with the onslaught of sin upon him, the last Adam was God's One & Only Plan to correct that failure by rejecting any dart of sin against Him. Had Jesus failed, there would be no other 'Adam' available for fallen man - we would remain condemned & doomed to eternal punishment - Why? That God gave it His all, His Best, Himself.

And in reference to 1 Peter 3:18-22, I sense that this passage doesn't speak of Noah being the antitype of Christ, but the 'water' & by extension, the Ark that the water bore. As Peter writes, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...", the 'figure' being that which is likened to, is the water (i.e. "eight souls were saved by water"). I agree that through Noah's obedience to God, his family were saved; but I actually see Noah as that "preacher of righteousness", or the evangelist, who preached to others & urged the only ones who believed & worthy to be saved, to avail themselves of God's salvation Plan: by water, being lifted up & away from the anger & destruction of the Lord. A sidenote, the Rapture of Church is clearly evident here & I would say, that the events around the Flood typifies that which God will do for His Church, saving her from His Wrath to come on all.

I personally am not stumbled over the days chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ or the Resurrection. These two events can be celebrated every day in my personal life, but I want a time of year to celebrate them in church with others. Reading the passages of scripture that describe these events and singing songs about them with others is not a cause to break fellowship in my view, no matter what date you chose. I can celebrate by faith without a weak conscience, and I have confidence God won't judge me for loving people that love these two events. If you can't do that I won't judge you, but you are not in a position to judge me either. As long as it is Christ we do it for, let's respect each other and God's grace.

The date is much less important than that we agree Christ was born of a virgin, died for our sins and rose again for our salvation according to scripture. That is true every day and largely the reason I go to church year round.

Christian fellowship is something we should maintain with a Bible preaching church if at all possible. If you are always alone trying to fulfill Christ's command to love one another as He has loved us, you will have a really hard time doing it right. You have to be with other Christians to fulfill that command. You're a sinner and I'm a sinner, but if we gather in His name He is in our midst. That is transformative. And He truly is glorified when we actually love one another.

I am wondering when the original work for Matthew 7:1 was published?

Thank you,

Sara

who had little faith in the bible

Typology in Christian theology and biblical exegesis is a doctrine or theory concerning the relationship of the Old Testament to the New Testament. Events, persons, or statements in the Old Testament are seen as types prefiguring or superseded by antitypes, events or aspects of Christ or his revelation described in the New Testament.

Jesus told the Pharisees in John 5:39-40,45-46:

39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

45. Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

So if you or I read Moses and we don't see Jesus in what he wrote, Moses will accuse us of missing the whole point of what he wrote that was supposed to lead us to eternal life. I can't afford to do that. Can you?

For Adam as a type of Christ

1 Corinthians 15:45-49

Christ as the last Adam. Adam is the first man and Christ is the second man. I think this verse gives me the latitude to say Christ is the second Adam, bit if you disagree read my post with the words last Adam instead.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22

Romans 5:12-19

Both of these passages show either by contrast or by similarity to how Christ's uniquely fulfills the role that Adam was supposed to fulfill, but failed at. Christ is the antitype of Adam according to Paul's teaching.

For Noah as a type of Christ

1 Peter 3:18-22

"By like figure" is Peter's way of saying baptism and the resurrection of Christ is the antitype of Noah and his household being saved in the Arc.

The bronze serpent Moses lifted in the wilderness is a type of Christ on the cross. Numbers 21:6-9. John 3:14-15

Sarah and Hagar are types of the Old Covenant of the Law and the New Covenant of grace. Galatians 4:21-31. Paul calls this an allegory, but he uses it extensively for his doctrine.

Hi Rich,

You are saying some things I don't hear very often like "Christ is the second Adam" and "Noah is a type of Christ."

I'm sure your intent is to help answer a question, but I question whether those statements are true because I've never read those in the Bible, have you? If you believe you have can you please share your verses supporting these ideas?

As proof that the creature suffered the consequences of the fall, God sent the flood to kill all animals with the breath of life outside the Ark in addition to all unbelievers. However, God saved Noah and his household along with pairs of all unclean animals and sevens of clean animals in the Arc.

Noah is a type of Christ, and Christ will always be magnified and glorified over any of the Old Testament types that prefigure Him, like Adam and Able. Christ will resurrect and deliver far more than 7 other people through the salvation He has brought us. We can expect he will exceed Noah in terms of what He ultimately accomplishes for the other creatures that God places in His care that have the breath of life.

At the same time, not only did the wicked line of Cain perish in the flood, all descendants in Seth's family tree outside of Noah's household were deemed wicked and died in the flood as well. So like Noah in the case of the flood that came, salvation can only be found in Jesus Christ from God's judgement that is coming. A wife or husband can't know if they will save their unbelieving husband or wife. So we have to be prepared to glorify God as just and true no matter what He ultimately decides to do with our pets and cling to Christ for salvation. They and us were all created for God's pleasure and glory much more than for ours.

Haha , those r the exact words I would use to describe u !

Grea thanks for all your words of Wisdom...ty I needed to hear that...GBU...You are like a breath of fresh air..

Romans 8:15-23

The purpose of this passage is to explore what is promised by the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry Abba, Father. The promise goes far beyond our souls and the glorious redemption of our bodies. It encompasses all aspects of the creation God gave Adam and Eve dominion over.

Since Adam did possess a soul and was put over all creatures, the consequence of his fall and the curse placed on Eve, Adam and the Serpent has affected far more than humanity. The creatures remained subject to Adam and Eve have been subjected to the fall and curse with them.

Fortunately for them and us, Christ is the second Adam, and the redemption God will bring about through Him won't merely equal the fall and curse in it effects, it will far exceed them. As a result, the creatures also share in the reign of Christ and the fulfillment of the promised hope of His Spirit of adoption in us.

So do animals need a soul to benefit from Christ? No. Is there a future for them in God's plan in Christ? Yes.

GI Gi...I have asked you on several occasions...lets Plz abide by the Guidelines of this Forum...This is not your personal judgement hall..This forum is only a place we can come and make comments about the KJV BIBLE...I cd not care less about what your Church teaches...I only care what the bible teaches the KJV...Everyday in big bold letters we read Plz abide by the Guidelines BEFORE posting...But you continue to make derogatory remarks about my Post...Only God can make righteous Judgement not any of US...So plz do not address me again unless its in a kindler tone...But i do still want to be your friend...I still love you, but we cannot make this forum into a Church judgement hall...So plz abide by the guidelines of this forum...GBU..Alex N

Thank you for that encouragement . You are absolutely correct .

Pray for me so that daily I'm conformed to the image of Jesus Christ,so that I don't lose my faith in Jesus Christ during tribulation and persecution,and for me to read GODS word more and disciple to people.