Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 892

Happy Sabbath Sharon

As I understand from my Bible Studies that our souls go back to our Heavenly Father. We are asleep in Hell, which is our graves, until Jesus, Our Lord and Saviour comes back to judge each and every one of us, even those who have passed away before us.

There is no such thing as "Hell" as people have been led to believe. Rev 20: 10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Dear Cecil,

On this site we do not get a chance to really know one another deeply, as we cannot meet in person and have a lengthy conversation back and forth about our life in Christ as friends do. So this response to Chris is very off base, unkind, and arrogant. Nobody likes to interact with one who speaks like a no-it-all. So, humility on this forum is important. We can have firm convictions concerning Scriptural interpretation and doctrine. And we can present our viewpoint in a sure way without attacking the character or Christian walk of another, as you have done with Chris.

I know that Chris can speak for himself in response to you, but as a reader and having read Chris' contribution to this forum over the past 4 months, I find him to be one who is mature in the Lord and knowledgeable concerning Scripture in a wide sense. He provides helpful information to many here. Also, as a reader, I think it is appropriate to call out someone who is coming at another on this site in a manner that is disrespectful. I am speaking of you in your response to Chris.

I am glad you have come to this forum. Like all of us, I hope you will come each time with an attitude to share your view, learn from others, and grow in your Christian life. I think it is fine to be straight forward with others as long as one is not questioning someone's character or Christian faith. We can post disagreements with someone's viewpoint or Scriptural interpretations. We can even state that we think someone's has expressed error or false teaching on here. But I don't think it proper for one to tell another what they should be focusing on in Scripture and pursuing understanding of as you did. God is working in all of us to learn and grow from His guidance in Scripture. He does not have everyone learning from the same portion of Scripture at the same time. Nor should this be the case. When people are delving into the Word in various books and chapters, we all benefit, as God leads us to share here.

Happy Sabbath Richard

In reply to your discussion about there does not appear to be a clear indication whether man was created on or before the sixth day (on the 5th). Man's creation was said to be VERY good; putting it above all else apparently.

I refer to KJV Genesis 1:27, 31, where it says, 27: " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them

31: And God saw every thing that he made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 = Matthew 24:15

Hi Sister GiGi,

Amen. Thank you for your detailed explanation of the grafting between the two olive trees. I agree with you, FAITH is the key to remaining in the cultivated olive tree, for both Jew and Gentile, because now we are all equal - in God's eyes.

I believe this verse captures the essence of this completely.

1 Corinthians 12:13

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

God Bless You.

Chris,

I'm speaking of a specific point in time because I know it like a road map. Your context is off, timing of events is causing you to conflate the narrative.

I've studies for decades. I understand scripture all too well, details.

When you know Biblical history like a text book, but can't see duplicity, or ritual, your not seeing the complete picture. You don't move in the spirit of prophesy.

I still have no idea what you proclaim as a Christian, how you could have no idea of the prophets, and have such a strong opinion. You didn't say a word about your beliefs that struck me. Tell me your Christian view of the world to come from today forward.

You should know the end-time trumpets 5-6-7 and the order of events. Anything else cones from your imagination.

Yes, when time is up God reestablishes Israel with the saints. Isaiah 14:2 Can you tell me what trumpet this happens at?

Please keep the good work Fred . You cheer me up and energise my faith .

Diana Rose Rezzetti,

Everything Sinful, sinful instincts, are all consequences of the fall of Adam and Eve.

Is God a person that you can see? No. First of all, God is not a human like us and he's is forever sinless. When Christ returns to earth for the second time, Angels will take every faithful person to heaven. The Bible gives us proof that we will see Angels. Just because Angels can be seen, it doesn't mean Angels are a type of human race. When Jesus said that He came for Jews but they rejected Him, he gave other human races a chance to be saved. If Angels where to be Jewish then everyone would be Jewish and Angels would what...reject Him?

The Bible proves that Angels are truly real. Not only does the Bible prove Angels are real but also that Angels can have over 8 wings. Ezekiel 1:21-27:

Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

Revelation 12:15 & 17

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is a result of the nuclear ocean attacks in context with the day of the Lord. The waters turn blood red because the 200 mega ton weapon killed everything in the water. Then the beast persecutes the saints beginning the 42 month great tribulation.

So now we can appreciate the significance of the "number" pertaining to munitions within Russia's arsenal.

Johnnie,

Thank you for the update on your grandmother. I will continue to pray for her now that I know more of what to ask our Lord for concerning her. I hope she will continue to respond well to treatment and become more coherent as the days pass by.

God bless you and her today.

Good Morning Alex,

Yes, it is true that our natural nature is weak and sinful, unable to perform the requirements of the Law flawlessly. From the very beginning, even with Adam before he sinned, a Savior was needed because of the weakness of our natural nature which was weak and able to sin and then corrupted by sin after Adam sinned. So, humanity needed Jesus from the beginning of humanity and throughout history. Praise God for His perfect purpose and plan fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Alex, I really try to follow your train of thought in your posts. You make some good points. But I just cannot be in agreement on your doctrine about the Jesus or the Holy Spirit being multiplied in us. God's nature cannot be multiplied or transmitted to any creature. The Holy Spirit in us is not born a new creature. God is re-created again and again in believers. But the Holy Spirit does create a new creation in us that is our own spirit, regenerated by the Holy Spirit to serve God. Your doctrine is heresy and repeating it in nearly every post does not make it more true. It just creates a stumbling block to other believers who may give place to such erroneous doctrine when they read it in your posts. I know you mean well. But you have misinterpreted Scripture concerning this doctrine. When you go into this narrative in your posts, it discredits any point you try to make that may be sound. Every time you begin this narrative, I stop considering whatever is said from then on because I do not wish to entertain heresy. I am just advising you that you do not need to promote this false doctrine in every post. You can speak to the topic of the thread without reverting to this tired false narrative. People will be more open to consider your viewpoint if speak to the topic without it.

Sunday is the day the Church meets for worship is first shown by Sunday being the day Christ rose from the dead and first revealed himself as risen only to the those who would later receive the Holy Spirit as the promise from the Father sent in the name of the Son. It is second shown by the fact that the Holy Spirit was distributed to the members of the Church (the members of Christ's body) as tongues like fire and manifested through the gift of tongues by all those gathered in the upper room on the day of Pentacost, which always occurs on a Sunday according to the Law.

If you trust in the resurrection of Christ and the promised gift of the Holy Spirit both given to us on Sunday by the Father as the only basis for your being an adopted son and heir of the Father you will gather in honor of that on Sunday.

Comparing the glory of the Covenant of the Law instituted by the blood of sacrificed animals to the glory of the New Covenant in Christ's blood is like comparing the glory of the moon to the glory of the sun. The moon has its glory to rule the night, but that glory derives its light from the sun hidden by the shadow of the earth and is only outward on its surface. The moon's light shines and fades in a cycle depending on how it is positioned relative to the sun and the earth. The glory of the moon in the night must give way when the glory of the sun rises and shines its light to rule the day. The sun's light shines from within in itself in continuous daylight and never falls into the darkness of night. As long as the face of the earth is turned towards the sun, all who walk in its light walk in the day. Saying that a Christian is under the law and the promise of the Spirit at the same time is like saying we should walk under a Solar eclipse in the moon's shadow and not walk in the full light of day.

The glory of God revealed as the Father. Son and Holy Spirit to those who walk by faith far surpasses the glory of both the sun and the moon He created.

Hello Bro Dan,

Agreed, through faith, Gentiles become the children of Abraham, who by faith obeyed God, which was counted to him as righteousness. So, if we are children of God as Israel is, it is by faith. And, Abraham, chosen by God before he had demonstrated faith, responded to God in faith by living in obedience to God's commands to him (which predated the Law of Moses). But it is clearly stated in Hebrews 11:8-12 speaks of how Abraham obeyed God because he had faith in God. Also, read in Romans chapter 4, speaking of God's promise to Abraham being based on faith, not works. Yet, Abraham needed to act on his faith to receive the promise. Isaac was not conceived without Abraham's action done with faith. Therefore, we are to obey God through faith in Him, believing that He is true to His promises and also that His commands are good and best for us.

BAD,

Is this a trick question? Daniel 8 describes Antiochus Epiphanes in 163 BC attacking Israel. Who are the other 2?

Good Morning, Bro Dan,

Yes, in Romans 11:24 Paul is speaking of the two olive trees. the Gentiles (wild) and the Israel (cultivated). A cultivated tree is one that has been tended to by a gardener. A wild tree has not had that superintendence from a gardener. So, if we work within this analogy, it is clear from Scripture that Israel was cultivated by God over the centuries to be His special, set apart people through whom He would reveal Himself and His eternal plan of all nations from The Seed promised in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham. That Seed being Jesus, the Messiah. God, throughout the history of the nation of Israel, was preparing them receive the Messiah. Israel had the history of God's superintendency. God cultivated them through the giving of His Word through Moses and the prophets. God pruned them through the discipline of captivity and other judgments. Because of all this they should have been ready and willing to receive Jesus. But, they rejected Him.

The Gentiles are the wild olive tree (still an alive tree like the cultivated one, i.e. one humanity). However, the Gentiles were not cultivated by God. he did not tend to the Gentiles like a gardener would tend to their planted trees in his orchards. the wild olive trees (Gentile nations) were allowed to grow at the whim of nature (their sinful nature). The wild olive tree was not pruned for better, healthier growth (spiritual). The wild olive tree was not grown with wisdom from a gardener (the good instruction of the Word or prophets).

So, the Gentiles, (wild olive tree) did not know the true God (gardener). Nor did they know the promise of the Messiah (The Seed). Therefore, they were not looking for a Savior like Israel was. But, according to God's compassion, mercy, and grace, the Gentiles (wild olive tree) will be grafted into Israel (the cultivated olive tree) by faith in Jesus, the Messiah, just as those of Israel who believe in Jesus will remain in the cultivated tree by faith also.

Hello, God has all knowledge people interpret as best they can by reading praying,and reflecting or meditating. Prayer can help Gods meaning, but it is always about interpretation. I can't say which of you are on the right track. Seeking truth is all we can do. Live righteously and lastly continue to grow. Don't get discouraged by details. John was given the prophecies and stated them in revelations. It appears to be about the end times or future events. Revelations is so amazing just because it will happen . The only book that tells of what is to be If people seek truly seek God ,,,put him first truths will be revealedwe are not saved by works but by accepting Jesus as your own personal savior. So many are still lost by this .God wants us to spend our times reaching people with his word .

Everytime ya think about the law remember what Jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come he will guide you into all truth

We only keep the law in our hearts and minds....As the righteousness of the law is to love our neighbors as ourselves and God

with all our hearts....On these 2 laws hangs all the laws and the Prophets...But we cannot really do this unless we are bornagain

There has to be a heavenly birth via heavenly seed which is that New Covenant...Thats the only thing that pleases God is a new

creature a new innerman...Not the letter of the law but the righteousness of the law...Do we make void the law by Faith

Godforbid We establish the law...Simply b/c God is gonna be married to us...And its the H.G. that is gonna bemaried to

us. Thus we cd not sin if we wanted to after the marriage....Its just like John said he that is born of God cannot sin...Its the H.G.

That is born of God within us...Just like Jeremiah said he was gonna put his Words in our hearts and minds making it

impossible to sin....Thus the law is fulfilled

to sin...He that is born of God cannot sin thus the law is fulfilled if we cannot sin....Thats what sin is The transgression of the law

I am one and both no human knows one or both like me, in his name amen . the third and final an-ti christ now walks among you hin name....................

Amen Bro Alex,

Jesus Christ grafted the wild olive tree (Gentiles)- into the tame olive tree (Jews) and now we are all children of God. We have the same promise of salvation, the same commands from God, and the same accountability. No difference. Amen.

God Bless.

Brother Spencer,

I'm replying to you here in a new thread as the other thread was getting quite long.

We are in agreement that it is the Holy Spirit in us that makes it possible for us to live according to God's Commandments. This wonderful Spirit makes the impossible - possible! Amen.

You continue to state that what was spoken to the Israelites are not applicable to us/Gentiles. The scriptures disagree. Whatever Jesus/God spoke to the Israelites are also spoken to us Gentiles, and we are just as accountable to adhere to these commands today. Why? Because those of us in Christ are now Israelites and we were once Gentiles but the grafting process through Jesus Christ has changed us so that we have become Jews inwardly. Paul tells us below we are now of Abrahams seed.

Galatians 3:29

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Paul reaffirms that the Gentiles are now Jews inwardly.

Romans 2:29

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Per the bible scripture the children of Israel (which Gentiles are after adoption) shall keep God's Commandments including observing the Sabbath throughout their generation for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever.

Yes, we who are in Christ, are now Jews inwardly, and will want to keep all of God's Commandments, and again, we do so via God's Holy Spirit, not of our own accord. Amen.

God Bless You!

1 Timothy 6:10 - some translations say it is the root of all kinds of evil. I'm not sure the phrase was intended to mean that every evil is explained by love of money as even the first and original sin of eating the forbidden fruit did not involve money.

Beloved dear Aaron, think again, read again. Dont only take some scripture and not read the context of the scripture.

The Holy Bible is so timeless that all countries and ppl can recognize themselfs.

I belive we talk in the contigent of Israel. Look all eye is look to Israel! Its there its about. If we can think of a city i see Jerusalem.

Or it can be Beijing or Moskow and as many ppl in Amerika think its NY. Stockholm or Oslo, all are like.

But all this cityes are not strange to each other. All are simular today.

If ill think of the end times, ill think we need to gather our trooos :p stay together, live together and grow vegetables. We have to go back til the old times.

Becouse we vill not be able too buy foods like before. Sure we lives in the end time. But why are u from America? U can do your things there. Be there help ppl to understand whats coming up. I am here in Norway and here ppl runs from place to place all day long.

It is not different. Evan if it is on the other side of the earth.

Our blessings is often where we are. God bless u and yours. In proverbs we have some good advise 19:17. In Jesus Holy Name be comforted with the Holy Spirit. Love u in Christ forever.

My self i don't believe there are gonna be 2 sheep folds....Jesus said there will be only 1 sheppard and 1 sheepfold...

God is no respector of persons . ...There is not 1 gospel for the Jews and 1 for the Gentiles....As the scriptures says

by 1 Spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ, Weather we be Jew or Gentile, Bond or Free etc...All of our

Lords disciples were Jews and they all had to be bornagain of that same incorruptible seed just like the Gentiles....

On the day of Pentecost Jew and gentiles a like received the same Spirit....And remember Acts 10 The spirit was poured out

on both Jew and Gentile a like...There was no distinction....And he took of the twain and made 1 new man...He took of the twain

Jew and Gentile and made 1 Newman....The H.G. that new Creature...Our new Innerman....That Child of Promise.

Dear Christians, You are not allowed to commit such crimes as you mention.

thank you so very much for your much needed prayers they are very appreciated!!!she has received 2 rounds of dialysis the last I heard it br ok ught her creatine levels down but it was still higher than what it should be.she has a filter surgically put in her to prevent the clots that she has in both legs from going to her lungs.shes still confused but she's more vocal and communicating better hopefully the dialysis will make her kidneys work on their own so she won't have to rely on it to work for her because the first round lowered her blood pressure and she has to rely on potassium, antibiotics and other medicine to keep her blood pressure at a normal rate and we still don't know if her cysts are benign or malignant but I'm glad to see the improvements

The Problem with the law was it cd NOT do something which was it cd not make mankind righteous...Thats y God had to send his son in the form of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh..Remember David was a man after Gods own heart but the law cd not help David when he saw bathsheba bathin...That was the big problem with the law it cd not address mans adamic nature.

Thus Christ wd have to come and die and be multiplied ...Unless a seed falls into the ground and dies it will abide alone but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit...Multiplication...Thus b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Everbody will get a seed a Word everybody will get a measure of faith...The seed of the sower etc.....Being bornagain of an incorruptible SEED etc....His death implies multiplication ..Smite the sheppard then the sheep will be scattered...Then i will turn my hand to the LITTLE ONES...His offspring the babes and sucklings which are spirits that can praise God Perfectly the H.G plural that is gonna cover this earth....Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains when he spoke of that New Covenant

What the LAW cd not do in that it was weak thru the flesh God had to send his son to come and die and be multiplied as the Stars of Heaven....That everybody might get a seed the words of that new covenant the contents of the book in the Fathers right hand that is still sealed...That God might be praised Perfectly in his kingdom by these babes and sucklings...Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected...The law cd not do this perfect praise...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven thus the Children an Israel of God. They are gonna be born in us Sinners...Whosoever receives one such child IN MY NAME receives me....In his name implies he IS THEIR FATHER...Thats y Isaiah refers to JESUS AS EVERLASTING FATHER...Jesus said that God was gonna send the H.G. IN MY NAME...

I also believe that the great confusion and apostasy comes from science. At least it seems so when one reads the Word of God, said that we must NOW leave our bodies to the Holy Spirit. Do not believe in medical science and the self. But totally be dependent on the Spirit in thoughts words and deeds + also our homes and things. Nothing is impossible for God in the Name of Jesus Christ. But everything is impossible for us, it's true. Now is the time to learn independence from all things in this world.



Blessed be everyone in His Name who is above all names in the World, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. He who overcame death.

Matthew chapter 3

It would appear that Satan used an actual serpent to deliver his message; and the collateral damage caused future snakes to have to be cursed to crawl in the dust in the future after that event. There was; as with Lucifer originally; always the potential to sin but man was created upright. In the mind and vain imaginations is where all temptations originate; and ultimately there is a spiritual origin for our actions (whether the god of this world or God Almighty). Clearly; Satan's aim after his own fall from heaven ( Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28) was to seek worship for himself. From the "beginning" as Christ stated he was a liar which would mean from the beginning from our vantage point at an indeterminate time after his rebellion; and leadership drawing 1/3 of the angels out of heaven to worship him. The tree of life would give man an eternally existing natural body; and in the case of Adam and his wife; mercifully it was restricted from him after they succumbed to the other tree of the "knowledge of good and evil". The temptation made man think God was holding out; and that there was "hidden wisdom". God never intended for us to comprehend evil; as God Himself cannot be tempted nor tempts anyone. God used Satan as an agent to test Adam and Eve's integrity and trust in Him (knowing of course that they would fall). The provision of the deadly wound for Satan; and the piercing of the Messiah was already foreshadowed in the prophecy in chapter 3. Without the law; as Paul states in Romans we were "dead to sin". We were not meant to know about rebellion which basically takes our love from God and focuses it on self.

This hidden wisdom or "third eye" is the gateway to demonic possession rather than the Spirit as the guide in all wisdom. Christ had to take the wrath of God for our sin; whose nature from there on was passed on through the generations of man.