Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 904

In this chapter, the YHWH continues to talk to Moses and sends Moses and Aaron back to Pharaoh bringing more plagues upon Egypt, but sparing the Israelites in the land of Goshen. Pharaoh's heart is hardened further, even though at one point he admits to having sinned and acknowledged the True God of the Israelites. Yet we discover that his words were not true words of repentance because he hardened his heart further when the plagues were stopped. He was just giving lip service in order to get a reprieve from this God he did not really know nor honor. Yet all of the ways of Pharaoh, God had orchestrated to bring about His purposes. By now the Israelites should be so thankful and sold out to YHWH seeing how they were spared the plagues how powerful YHWH truly was.

The Egyptians worshipped both cows and bulls. The cow-god was Hathor and represented all of the best qualities of a female. The bull-god was Apis, Hathor's son (who was the most sacred bull-god as there were many bull-gods) who represented protection, virility, male prowess. Also, Apis was worshipped as actually god-creator and represented divinity and eternity. Seth was a donkey or camel -god, sometimes a mix of livestock represented storms and desert.

Resheph was the name of the horse-god and represented war and pestilence.

Menes was a goat-god.

The pestilence (murrian) affected both humans and a variety of livestock. YHWH smiting the livestock of the Egyptians was pestilence demonstrated His defeat of all these livestock-gods.

The next plague was skin boils, pustules, skin eruptions.

There were gods/goddesses of healing, medicine.

Sekmet-goddess of healing

Thoth-god of healing

Isis-goddess of medicine

YHWH sending this plague challenged these gods ability to heal.

The next plague was that of fire and hail.

Shango was the fire and thunder god.

Nut was the hail god.

So YHWH was showing He was stronger and more fierce than these gods.

This entire chapter; clearly is a description of the events of Armageddon; and the geographical changes on earth immediately afterwards. The destruction of nations in verses 1-8; and the horror of pitch and brimstone showing an opening to hell in verses 9-10. The rest of the chapter illustrates what Rev. 17 states; with the destruction of Babylon and Rev. 19 with all the birds gorging on the feast the Lord provides (the dead carcasses). For anyone who says God doesn't have a message about his care for animals; this certainly rebuffs it. The conditions will be suitable for the unclean birds and God even ensures "not one of them shall want her mate" in verse 16. Everything has its place; and along with the always visible reminder of the previous destruction will be a restored earth suitable for life to flourish and God's redeemed to live. Revelation has parallel verses to this entire passage; but there are many other scriptures as well (Daniel; Zechariah; Jeremiah) as well as Psalms describing the same event. The controversy of Zion in verse 8 surely can be traced to Psalm 83 which likely occurs at the beginning of the time of Jacob's trouble. This chapter simply cannot match any event in the time of Isaiah 700 years before Christ came to earth. The whole book is interweaved between events in surrounding nations at that time; and in the future as well as Isaiah's own personal life. This shows irrefutable evidence of the inspiration of this text both to past fulfillments (including those of Christ's ministry itself reaching the Gentiles); and those yet to come.

Chris & GiGi,

You are missing the point of the narrative, the sixth trumpet, the day of the lord, judgment day when both houses of Israel experience Jacobs time of trouble. Spend some time with Isaiah 47, see how America is described, told to sit in the dirt, in darkness.

You said Israel will be "preserved". Israel will be invaded and taken into a third captivity at the day of the lord ( Luke 21:20-24). America will be nowhere to be found to save Israel, they received their part in the abomination of desolation in the same hour, spoken of by Daniel. Antichrist rules all strong holds for 42 months, at which time Christ returns to take the kingdom. It is at this point and only at this point that Israel is reestablished, Isaiah 14:2, with the resurrected saints, and only the saints.

That did indeed help to confirm my thinking and it is good to have endorsement.

Best regards

Roy

Also; there will be a Millennial sort of tabernacle as all the O.T. festivals and feasts are symbolic of the future dwelling with men on earth. What a glorious day that will be; when each one can "sit under his own vine and fig tree" and enjoy the blessings of the restored earth; ruling and reigning with Christ!

The tabernacle; signifies the dwelling place. The Most High; in O.T. times; would be within the Ark of the Covenant; which would be in the inner court; surrounded by the outer court; and other areas further out including the areas of animal sacrifice. Hence; Christ went outside the gate after making the sacrifice for us. Sobering thought. It is important to see that the Lord would only dwell according to certain parameters as to the furniture (the shewbread being next to the ark; and carvings of Cherubim). Besides these guidelines; He chose who would be able to be in the inner court; the lineage of Levite priests; as well as the King who would build the tabernacle and when. The overall design in the inner sanctum was rather simple even in Solomon's temple despite the ornate design and complex manual for construction of the rest. God Himself warned Solomon; in fact not to hoard gold; silver; and horses or start being seduced by foreign gods (related to all the amorous behavior with foreign women). One of the earlier altars that David purchased after the plague hit was Ornan's threshingfloor in 1 Chronicles 21. This was done in ad-hoc fashion; as an immediate end to an ongloing plague by the angel had to be offset. Now; of course God's tabernacle dwells with men; as His Spirit has taken up residence in a Christian and among those gathered together in His name. This caused the death of Ananias and Sapphira much in the same way that those carrying the Ark were slain in the Old Testament when they erred in picking it up when it dropped. The Ark also blessed the residence where it sat after that event; and also caused plagues among those who took it (the Philistines). We should keep in mind the admonitions of the candlestick being removed in Revelation as well. He who destroys the temple God Himself will destroy. ( 1 Cor. 3:17). That could be viewed as self-destruction; or perhaps the effect of martyrdom although the soul would go on to be with the Lord.

In light of much of today's erroneous doctrine; particularly occurring among female megapastors (sometimes in conjunction with their husbands) we can perhaps better appreciate Paul's admonition that a woman not teach or exercise authority over a man ( 1 Tim 2:12). There were certain protocols or roles that exemplify the elder/pastor; deacon; and Bishop as to personal behavior to qualify for the position and the way the job was to be carried out. In 1 Cor. 11 verse 2:16 we see that women WOULD pray and prophesy (apparently related to public worship). The instruction for head covering indicates submission to men and relates to their role with the church; some of which seems rather mysterious related to the angels and glory. As for a Deacon; apparently Romans 16:1 indicates that indeed Phoebe was in such a position AND commended by Paul. Since this word also translates "servant"; the role could signify a different sort of role here. It should also be remembered that the admonitions seen in the above verses and elsewhere mention the church as the emphasis; there are other verses indicating the way a woman is to submit in silence outside the church with their husbands. Given the instructions of women Titus 2 indicates women are to teach what is good and other verses (including some in the Old Testament Psalms and Proverbs) show wisdom given from mothers as well. There is an exception somewhere where a woman instructs a man (I believe it is Lydia and Barnabus) in the matter of the Holy Spirit and correct teaching since his understanding of the role in the time of John the Baptist.

I can't seem to find it; but again this would be a private matter outside church worship. However; a believing wife could explain the way of salvation to her husband; provided she is still submissive in any way that would not damage her living for the Lord. It would seem the best way to reach another spouse generally is by example of behavior of a believer to the nonbeliever.

I totally agree. I'm even super careful about letting someone lay hands on me. I need to test their spirit first.

Hello Learning,

No, Jesus' brother, (Judas or Jude) is not the same person as Judas Iscariot (who betrayed Jesus). Also, there was another apostle named Judas, but he was not Judas Iscariot nor Jesus' brother. Judas must have been a common name back then.

Dear Grace!

How are you? haven't heard from you in some time. I have been praying for you. Glad to have you back!

May I suggest a King James Bible, with a strongs concordance,.. or maybe the companion Bible, but please be careful on what you purchase,. There's a lot of false copy's and scribes, obviously sent by the dragon an his followers,.. I can assure you, there's a millennium, but you shouldn't listen to me , or any other person, Jerimiah chapter 17 until you ask your Heavenly Father,. Proverbs chapter 1 James chapter 5 ,..

Also 2nd Timothy chapter 2

Peace

What Bible verse and what passage is it that when he says do not move your neighbor's property line and do not hold a grudge against your neighbor who spits on or like gets on the property line

Florence,

Prior to the flood, people live nearly 900 years. After the flood, only Noah (and maybe his wife) lived that long. His children (and daughter in-laws) lived around 600, After these people who were born prior to the flood, the average lifespan of people began to fall with each generation. By Abraham's time (10 generations or so later) the lifespan had fallen to about 150 years or so.

I believe that God had his reasons for the long life spans and for shortening them after the flood. But we do not know the environmental or genetic factors that led to these long life spans prior to the flood.

Hello SolaScrip

We welcome you to this forum. Good to have your input.

While I do not wish to comment on the millenium doctrine you are speaking to in your post, I just wish to add this:

For me, I agree that much of Revelation is allegorical, reflecting truths that can be found in prophecy elsewhere in the Scriptures. Some of the truths of Revelation may become more easily understood as the time for these things to happen draw very near. I, myself, don't speak much about these things, because I am not very scholarly on this portion of Scripture yet. So I prefer to learn from others. I am trusting that God will help believers endure through any hardship that comes our way, even the end time persecution and martyrdom of myriads of believers. I do think that believers need to wake up a bit from being lulled by the ease of life in many developed nations. We need to gird up our loins, be strong in the Lord and prepare ourselves to face these things, because I believe we are headed in that direction across the world. So, instead of doing the "name it, claim it, prosperity stuff" I choose to live simply and pray for the Lord to lead me through the years ahead. This said, I am 65y ears old and recently retired. I have lived most of life already. I am looking forward to eternity. My attitude may be different than those who still have their whole life ahead of them with young families, etc. For me, I may have 20-25 years left to live unless the Lord returns before then. Or I may be die sooner than either of these time frames. So, I am looking for Christ's return eagerly. We are called to live upright and godly lives in this wicked age in anticipation of Christ's return. I wish to live this way. Don't want to be ashamed at His appearing.

Sola Scrip-I am looking forward to hearing more from you. Again, welcome.

Im sorry SolaScrip I Didn't mean to affend you, Obviously one would curious to hear your take with such bold entrance.

Thanks for you view.

God bless.

what was ukraine called in Jesus's day?

Couldn't tell you exactly when, but it is believed by many that the Catholic Church is responsible for changing the baptismal formula. We have one single solitary verse in scripture that states "father, son and holy ghost" in Matthew 28:19, but interestingly all of the descriptions of the actual baptismal events, in the chapters after, use the name of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus really tell His disciples to do it one way and every one of them completely ignored His Command and did it differently for every baptism ever recorded after in the Bible? Or has somebody changed the verse in Matthew to read something that Jesus never spoke there?

It is a fact that there are no accounts of baptisms anywhere in scripture that use the Trinity formula of 'father, son and holy ghost.'

Richard, if you're replying to my comment about the Millennium, if you could reply to my specific comment, we could keep all this specific discussion in one place.

The book of Isaiah doesn't mention a 1,000 year period of time anywhere. Specifically not in chapters 31 or 33. We must confirm these doctrines with specific verses and passages to prove they are legitimately Biblical doctrine. We must be clear and honest for all those Christians who are learning about the Bible and what it says and doesn't say.

This doctrine of the Millennium is taught by many famous pastors and preachers, as well as many churches and seminaries. We must hold all of these men and institutions up to the Light of God's Word. We must prove their teachings to be Truth or false. There is no support anywhere in scripture for the concept of a Millennium period of time outside of Rev. 20:1-6. There are chapters and passages that are very vague that are used as evidence for lots of things, but upon closer inspection, they do not support the concepts they are being used to support.

I have always wanted to know,did these people in the Bible live several hundreds of years of age?

Ezekial 40 is speaking of the measurements of a temple. Nothing at all about the Millennium time frame reign of Christ on the physical earth.

Be more specific with specific verses instead of entire general chapters if you wish to continue discussing please.

Thank you.

Why and when did the early church deviate from calling the name of JESUS over the person who was being baptized as in the Book of Acts?

Between your post and mine, what I stated was very matter of fact and impersonal. Yours was defensive. I certainly didn't call you out personally and if what I posted was perceived as a threat to you, you did not have to reply.

The Isaiah passage you quoted was very long and general. It does mention the New Heaven and New Earth, though. That is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium doctrine claims that the earth will remain as is for the 1,000 year period and not be destroyed, or made new, until after that time period. Also, New Heaven and New Earth can imply a heavenly/spiritual time, which supports my position that the Millennium is not supported by any scripture outside of Revelation.

In the Rev. 20 passage, thrones are mentioned as well as souls of the beheaded. This strongly implies a heavenly/spiritual dimension, not physical. Beheaded souls cannot be alive in the physical. The mention of thrones echoes Daniel 7:9 which speaks of a heavenly/spiritual realm of existence where the Ancient of Days is upon the throne.

Revelation is highly symbolic and non-literal, even the intro says so. John himself states that he was "in the spirit" on three, or more, occasions. There are some things in Revelation that are backed by multiple other scriptures outside of the book itself, but the Millennium reign has no support at all. The rest of scripture makes the case clearly that Jesus will return, gather His people and the Wrath of God destruction, and wiping out of sinners, will ensue. It is then that the New Heaven and New Earth will begin. Not a thousand years after, and not before the Wrath of God destruction and final judgment of all sinners.

Matthew 24:29-31

Isaiah 13:9-11

Revelation 10 describes all time ending, long before Revelation 20 - which tells us we cannot take Revelation literally or in a linear perception.

I will have to address the other contradictions in my next post. No more characters allowed

What happened to Delilah after Samson death?

Ezekiel, from chapter 40 threw the end , is all about the millennium

These verses clearly indicate the period of time stretching from the Tribulation into the judgment immediately after into the beginning of the 1000 year rule of Christ on earth.

The first four verses show that once Antichrist and his armies are done with the work God has designed them to do through His Divine counsel to totally break the remnant of the saints (as Daniel states); and to bring national repentance for all who enter the Millennium; He will cause the same fate to be given to Israel's enemies as what they performed on them.

The next couple verses may indicate either those individuals trusting in God and or the future fulfillment of the peace of Israel following the time of Jacob's trouble. Verses 7 through 8 once again show the false peace and the effects on those in league with the Antichrist with the Daniel 9:27 covenant and the bewilderment following his betrayal. Verses 10 through 12 seem to indicate the "thorns" or tares who are in Armageddon and burned up with God's fierce indignation; while 13 through 17 show the characteristics of those who can dwell with "everlasting fire" (v. 14) with the answer in the following verse; which shows the characteristic of a Godly man. The rest of the chapter is clearly a Millennial promise for those who have endured the terror (v18 and 19) in the Tribulation; v. 17 shows how the throne of Messiah in Jerusalem will be visible from far away; verses 20 through 24 show the effect of physical healing and the permanence of His tabernacle where He shall rule throughout the 1000 years; with perhaps a literal description in verse 21 of waters from the throne much like that of the end of Ezekiel where the waters will make the Dead Sea be full of fish and partially freshwater (except for the borderline in the reeds). Such an intrusion of waters already is being observed with life in the Dead Sea showing this time may be very near indeed.

Solascrip.

How about before we accept you invite to what seems to be an debate how about you give us your take on these verses.

Isaiah 65:14-25.

Revelation 20:4-8.

And the contradictions you mentioned. And then we peacefully engage.

God bless.

And thanks in advance.

Amen, Mishael. It's nice to read a slice of your testimony.

I'm naturally wary of progressivism infiltrating the church. If someone comes up with a new term to describe a new movement that spreads like a marketing campaign, I think odds are high that it may be a false teaching. In Google searching this replacement theory I was not surprised to find that it doesn't sound Biblical or grounded in truth.

I think some of this originates from choosing the world as their foundation and seeking to make some of God's word conform and bend to it, rather than just use God's Word first as the firm foundation and not try to appease the culture. I think God's word is truth and can stand on its own as it already is and not need some new interpretive lens or progressive movement to reach people or to be understood.

Donna

Agreed. Believers have no business delving into these practices as they open doors to wicked influences. But I do think believers need to be aware of the subtle "doors" to occult practices. Yoga and mindfulness are a couple even if it is packaged as Christian yoga or mindfulness. Also, seeking supernatural experiences concerning the "presence" of the Holy Spirit, such as "holy laughter" "being drunk in the spirit" "feeling electricity going through one's body". Seeking the experience and not truth is dangerous in some ways. I am not saying that someone cannot be moved by the Spirit or feel the Spirit pressing on one to pray or do or say a specific thing. I have had such experiences, but I did not go seeking to be "receive an anointing or blessing" for these things to happen to me. Those who are experience seekers or wishing for a hyper emotional encounter with the Holy Spirit are often introduced to occult influences under the guise of a "blessing" or "anointing" or "encounter" or with the Holy Spirit. Scripture calls us to be sober minded and reverent in our approach to God. Since He is in charge and decides when and how He will impact us, there isn't a need to seek or press for such an experience. The Lord will bring it to us at the right time and in the right situation.

In today's church environment, there is a lot of new age or occultic practices being introduced repeatedly over the past decades. We all should be wary of anything that is the "new" thing in church circles. We need to keep our guard up, especially if we participate in a charismatic or pentecostal type of fellowship. I am not bashing these types of churches, but, just like the Catholic churches, "new" ways of accessing the Holy Spirit have cropped up over the last years that lead into occult influences. This is called syncretism, which is blending occult or pagan practices with Christian practices, often with seemingly "spiritual" Christian sounding names and descriptions. Let's be wise.

These passages seem to primarily refer to the abasement of Egypt in the initial 3 verses in Isaiah's time as many other passages do warning Israel not to flee there and trust in them when other nations are attacking. The rest of the passage referring to the "Assyrian" in verse 8 likely are a reference to the Antichrist; perhaps when he receives as deadly wound with the sword as Zechariah 11:17 especially with the analogy to shepherds in verse 4. The retreat to the fortress or stronghold also seems to correspond with the Gog and Magog war; when God Himself begins to fight for Jerusalem but before the final judgment is carried out and the final sacking of Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:2.

These passages indicate that God judges His people first; and verse 6 seems to indicate that they will turn "from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted"; in other words once the Abomination of Desolation occurs they will realize that they have trusted in an imposter; and God will begin to turn his attention on judging the nations; and then Antichrist himself. They will then turn from idol worship as well; which no doubt will accompany the Babylon religious system of the first half of the Tribulation. Perhaps the sword wound will be given from a Godly man at first; clearly the final end is not from the power of man either but Christ at His return although that may be only an indirect reference here.

Precious Luke, I would have to agree:

A missionary, in talking to the 'Hebrew' people, this would be appropriate - ie

Hebrew: haddon jesus hamashie ( ) = English - The LORD JESUS CHRIST

"Yeshua" (Heb) actually means "travel," so, I'm not sure 'how that is Even Appropriate' for 'calling' Jesus such a 'name'?

GRACE And Peace...