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v.4 "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Zechariah vision is about Zion and by Min-Max mode of narrative Zerubbabel refers the specific to the end times."These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."(Ze.4:14)
It is good to hear from you again.
Jordyn has not posted here in two weeks following the discussion he was having with S. Spencer. I suppose he will soon be back on here under a new screen name, as that seems to be a pattern for Earl Bowman, whom some of us think Jordyn is, since he would not deny that he was Earl when I asked him.
We haven't heard from Giannis for awhile. I pray everything is well with him and will be back with us soon.
Thanks for your reply. I will do my best to answer and give my understanding, it is an important discussion and to clearly explain my understanding even if we disagree. It will probably be sometime tomorrow, just want you to know I will reply.
God bless,
RLW
I do agree with you concerning the modern versions of the "bible". The KJV is the only one to be trusted but I do want to challenge you in your belief that it contains errors. I know from other comments you have made that you are a
Calvinist so are you saying the KJV has errors because it doesn't that doctrine.
Do you accept the premise that the KJB was inspired by the Holy Spirit? (the word inspired first came into use in the 14th century and "it had a meaning it still carries in English today: to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural influence.") Merriam Webster Online. If the Holy Spirit of God was not able to influence the men who wrote the KJB, if He made mistakes, how do we know the men who wrote the word in their original languages didn't make mistakes? Since words of the ancient languages have different meanings, how do we know those men used the correct one, and why didn't the Holy Spirit correct them when it inspired them to produce the KJB? I hope you don't thing these are frivolous questions? You have probably been asked them before but I sincerely would like you to communicate with me on this. Bye
I have asked this question elsewhere but not sure whether you will see it.
Am I right to believe that I was married to the law but when Christ was crucified I was crucified with him (made dead) so that I can be divorced from the law and married to Christ? Is this what you were trying to explain to me?
Please clarify and clean up my understanding.
Thank you for your time
God bless.
Gabriel is the Angel of the Lord and also he reveals his name to Zacharias. "I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee,"( Luke 1:11, 19) He might have had certain freedom 'to play by the ear as it were; so he strike him dumb, "And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season."(v.20). The same after six months at Nazareth,"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee."
From Daniel's book Michel seems to be associated with Persia as Gabriel over Palestine. " and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz" He is same as the mighty angel (Re.10:1) representing the Son, in Dan.12 we see him. He refers to Michael as his helper, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia./Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days."(10:13)
Compare with"Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." (Re.9:14-15)
The four angels are released on command from heaven. They were prepared for partial judgments. " In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up,"(Ge.7:11)God's Time has its hour, day, month and year. But not the same our time scale. fountains of the deep work at tandem so we read flood came from above as well.'The windows of heaven were opened'.
Where the Spirit has chosen to draw a veil over matters like angels, he has done for a purpose. 2 Ti.3:1r. Does knowing the identity of ministering angels and under which order they operate help instructing us in righteousness?(Ps.104:4) Neither does the 666. He is son of perdition denying glory of God in body,spirit and soul Nothing more we need know. When we are asked to judge angels all matters shall be given so we judge them as the Son himself would do. (1 Co.6:3). First win salvation of our souls, and not before.
Till then Michael is a just a name, a prince of angelic order; so is Gabriel.
My thoughts on your question is , what you seemed to of been taught is not scripturally sound.
No where in the Bible is there scripture stating what you referenced.
Therefore it has no scriptural Foundation.
Scriptures say, it (was) void
Not that it (became) void
Let the Holyspirit guide you ,and pray for understanding.
I pray that the lord Bless you greatly.
I love you all.
There's always alot of speculation and or ideas ,
About who they could be.
But only our Heavenly Father knows.
Hebrews 4:[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Rev 14:13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
James 2:10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
What I'm leading to here, is the very limited list of commands given by God to Israel, which certainly doesn't cover the range of sins that man commits (e.g. pride, anger, lust, hypocrisy, deceit, etc). Israel failed in just obeying these few commandments (especially the first two), & we're reminded in James 2:10-12 that "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all..."; such was the outcome of disobedience to it.
Therefore, given that the Decalogue was limited in content & purpose & also the bringing forth of the Everlasting Covenant given through Jesus' Blood, (WITH the Holy Spirit's Ministry in the child of God), I remain wondering as to why the Decalogue must have such great importance to a child of God, when the Spirit adds not only the FULL range of God's Commands, but also gives the believer the power to live them out unto God - something that Israel could not do.
The Decalogue was never designed for this purpose; and Paul reminds us in Romans 8:3,4, that the Law failed in its ability to bring about righteousness, but to be right with God, we walk not after the flesh but by the Spirit. And this new walk by the Spirit is according to the Law of the Spirit ( Romans 8:2) - and His Law(s) have set us free from the Law of sin which brought death (all the Laws under the Old Covenant). How would you reconcile these Scriptures of the Spirit's Work in a believer's life with your position of following the Old Covenant of Laws? Blessings.
In today's society; we have found a way to extricate our minds from within when it comes to the subject of slavery. What happened hundreds of years ago is someone else's problem or said to be our fault by default as to our race. Closer to home now; of course is the continuing servitude particularly of the sex trade today and that brings attention to the revenue of such a trade.
That; of course comes from those who would exploit such an industry who themselves in actuality are slaves to sin.
Revelation makes it clear; unfortunately that slaves will exist in the end times will exist ( Rev. 6:15). At that time they will be clumped together with all those who attempt to hide from God.
Christ has redeemed us from our state of hopelessness and given us a new life. We have turned from Satan as our master to the Living God ( Ephesians 2:2). A truly redeemed child of God can read a passage such as Isaiah 66:24 and understand how they themselves were an abhorrence in their lost; sinful state. To know that we were under His wrath we proclaim the salvation message. Those who are condemned already ( John 3:18) are not known to us immediately; eventually it will be clear who is saved and who isn't at least by judgment Day. Such amazing love of Christ should motivate us to share the Gospel with others.
I am convinced one reason more people aren't sharing with much conviction is because they have become dumbed down to just how wicked they were; forgotten what they were saved from or in the worst case scenario are really not saved at all but following a form of godliness but denying the power thereof ( 2 Tim. 3:5). It is sobering to remind ourselves that as believers that scripture warns us to stay AWAY from such people.
Satan; I always say is an equal opportunity destroyer. He will take any sin; as seemingly innocuous as gossip and turn it into a full scale conflagration (see warnings in James 3:6). Only Christ frees us from slavery.
Revelation 14:9-11
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
About 15 years ago and several times before that I had a vision of the pure terror involved with the mark of the Beast. I have since told people that I would ask the Lord would give them such insight but not for those who aren't spiritually strong. The Lord has held back the day of Judgment, but it is promised to be worse than any time in the past and future. Mark 13:19 as well as other New Testament passages and Daniel 12 show proof of this. Without Christ we are dragged in; to the sieve of destruction ( Isaiah 30:28). Suddenly the wicked are broken and that without remedy ( Prov. 6:15).
To realize how fearful judgment is apart from Christ I cannot put into words. When we see Mystery Babylon we can't help but be reminded of the American Pie song with its lyrics
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play
These remind us of Ecclesiastes 12:4 as well as Lamentations 5:14 along with other stanzas in this song about the Lord taking off and no more joyful music as stated in Revelation 18:22. We are hypnotized by music and media today and its demonic mantras and dulled in our senses with the vulgar obsenities that increasingly assail the rightous. The agenda is out in the open at this point; Satan's hour is about to arrive. Christ comes soon so rejoice
For your thoughts though: the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:4 wrote, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them". Satan is considered the 'god of this world', not that he usurpes the True God's creative, sustaining ownership of this Earth, but that Satan as a roaring, prowling lion, constantly seeks to infiltrate the minds of people towards sin & estrangement from God. So I ask myself, 'if Satan is still free to roam & deceive the hearts of men, why doesn't this beautifully formed & filled Earth become corrupt again as it did in Genesis 1:2?" Surely, if the Earth was created by God in perfect form & fullness at the first, then became corrupted by Satan's presence, it follows that it should then return to a corrupted formless state. But as far as I can see, this is still a beautiful Earth that we have been given, to which Satan has no power over. Maybe worth considering.
This is a great topic, being that we all have dealt with having to forgive someone and also have had to be forgiven ourselves.
Your question, "How do we let go of the pain" is a good question!
I believe a good example of what is expected of us is seen in
Matthew 18:21-35.
The problem is how do we accomplish this?
I believe you answered your own question. PRAYER!
I would add humility to that.
If we humble ourselves and be truthful we all trespass against the Lord and we beg for his forgiveness.
God don't just forgive us, he is longsuffering and he has mercy on us.
We don't measure up to that standard so we also trespass in return.
To demonstrate this kind of display is a virtue of Love.
This is a area we grow in.
When we put forward the effort to perform it, by the enrichment of the Spirit we achieve it.
Pain turns into compassion.
When that person hurts over what they've done, you share that hurt with them and feel sorry for them.
However, when they're not sorry for what they do this may be something we can not get over without God's strengthening.
When this trespass is done over and over again this act becomes a reckoning.
It is who that person is and it defines the times we live in.
It is who we once were also and probably behave that way still.
This is where we examine ourselves considering Galatians 6:1
"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; CONSIDERING THYSELF, LEST THOU ALSO BE TEMPTED.
If this is not a Brother or Sister it may be a chance to witness.
Galatians 6:9 "And LET US NOT BE WEARY IN WELL DOING: FOR IN DUE SEASON WE SHALL REAP, if we faint not.
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
God bless you Jema.
I'm sure this is an area we all come up short in but we all should be growing in.
Praise God for his longsuffering and Mercy.
If God asked Abraham to sacrifice Issac 3 years earlier on the evening of Passover and Abraham received Issac back as from the dead three days later, Issac could have been 34 years old, and possibly as young as 33 years old at that time. In any case, this would probably match up very well with the likely age that Jesus was when He died and rose again.
A 3 year separation of the death of Sarah and Abraham's purchase of the cave for her burial as his first and only possession in the land from Issac being offered and restored from death certainly is possible and would be fitting in many ways if that occurred, but I do acknowledge that the Scriptures don't give sufficient details to prove that that is the exact amount of time that passed between the two events.
Jesus gave us 2 "new" commandments, not new as in abolishing the old, but to look at the old in a new, more concise way. The first covers the first 4 commandments, how to worship God, and the second cover how to treat others with God's unconditional love. Jesus lived the 10 commands.
No scripture tells the church to start worshiping on the 1st day of the week. No verse tells the church that our rest in Jesus takes the place of the 4th commandment. The laws of sacrifice were replaced by the sacrifice of Christ's blood on the cross so were no longer necessary but the commandments where not, else how would man know how to l live righteously? Christ's salvation gives us the way to forgiveness of our sins but how dose man know what righteous is without the laws of God? After the sin of Adam and the world was cursed, mankind has had a difficult time following God's law, even after Jesus' paid the price for our because mankind still sins without the blood of Jesus washing them away. You seem to not have any regard for any of the commandments not just the 4th and yet they tell us plainly what sin is. How do we know if we don't have them? Again, I believe the bible shows us Jesus obeyed His Father's laws even the 4th. Jesus' teachings of righteousness were based on the 10 commandments. Show me where HE put these law's of His Father in such contempt? In Romans 1: 29-32 the verses give a list of the unrighteousness of men to the point of becoming reprobates. Study each one and you can see they are based on all 10 commandments. My prayers are with you.
When Jesus gave us His 2 commandments they were new as in looking at the 10 in a different way, not abolishing the 10. The first commandment He gave follows the first 4 commands, how we are to worship God, and the second follows the last 6 in how we are to treat others.
Paul list the sins that are covered by God's law In Romans 1:29-32 " 29)Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30)Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31)Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32)Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." How would they know the things that were worthy of death without the laws of God telling them so? All of the teachings of Christ are based on the Laws of God. God commanded us to remember the 6th day as our day of rest, because by holding to the commandment it would have set His church apart instead we have let the Catholic Church tell us when to do it. See "Who Changed the Day of Worship ....." by Eddie Foster. A commandment of God is a Commandment of God.
Please check an early reference to Michael, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."(Dan.10:13). Again fast forward to post-Rapture. "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"(Re.12:7) The entire chapter as seen by St John is a series of vignettes, The church called to hold a position in heavenly places. After the man-child is caught up to the throne the same war in heaven spills over to thee earth. The left behind church is brought to the wilderness. One swallow does not make a summer. Dan.12:1 refers to the great tribulation, which great as it is indeed tribulation is bearable. Having quenched the indwelling Spirit the apostate church has no remedy for the age of grace is at an end. Death for a martyr is joyous since the grace of God makes his vision as in case of St Stephen beatific. (Ac.7:56)
i was wondering what the mystery of god is
best regards
randall
Also the 30 years that passed between the appearance of God to Abram in Mesopotamia on Nisan 15 where He made the promise that started Abram's sojourn until the covenant God made with Abram on Nisan 15 in Genesis 15 would be one month of years (the month Nisan in the Hebrew calendar is 30 days long).