Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 957

If God loves everyone, then why does it say God hates all workers of iniquity in psalms 5:5?

Hi Mike.

I also hold the view that this is future and is talking about the Antichrist.

Jesus mentions it being future.

Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

( Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.)

This has happened in the past with Antiochus IV, " Before "Jesus ministry here on earth but it's going to happen again.

It's what's called a double reference in scripture.

God bless.

Hi Paul.

I've researched it in the past and heard it taught that the word Nicolaitans means to rule the people.

The Greek words "Nicolaus" or "nikos" and "laos" are the words for Nicolaitanes. "Nikos" is priest or priesthood, and "laos" is the laody, the common people. So it is the establishing of a spiritual hierarchy, where a man would come between you and God. And would say, "No, you can't go directly to God. You come to me and I will go to God for you."

Hopefully someone can expand on it.

God bless.

Hi Gigi,.. no I did have any one say or tell me this ,. It's just my belief in my study that we were all made in spiritual body's ,. An living in a wonderful place,.: an unfortunately, Lucifer had worked his way up , an God made him a great cherub,. But hey, his pride and his ego , got in the way , an he had also fooled an third of us,.. into following him !!! An hey, that's why we are all going threw this flesh ,.. to decide which one we are going to be follow ,.. an interesting enough, early in genesis, God himself repented , on doing this , for he could see we were all pretty much selfish in this flesh body !!!

Just pray this prayer to return to your first Love:

Lord, after what I've read today, I don't want to allow any spirit of compromise in my life! I now understand that the doctrine of the NICOLAITANS is compromise with the world. Lord, I don't want to live with one foot in the church and another foot in the world. I want to break free completely from the world and its influence so I can give myself completely to Your cause! I want to be holy, to live in a way that pleases You, and to experience Your power in my life. Today I am renewing my commitment to You all over again! I turn from the world, and I am running to You!

I pray this in Jesus' name!

Google Rick Renner to find a lot of info on the Nicolaitans.

Jeanette

If you read 2 Timoth 2:14-18 you will find out why Paul rebuked these men. As to what it means to give them over to Satan, I don't know what that means. Perhaps the commentary on that verse would be helpful.

But th blasphemy they spoke was that the resurrection of believes had already happened, andPsul excommunicated them (expelled them from the church ).

Hi Paul

The Nicolatians were false teachers in the churches during Psul's time. I am not sure if what these false teachings were. I will google it and find out. You could google as well. I will get back to

You. Or, maybe someone out there knows and can post.

@Ronald Whittemore and Alex N - Thank You. I will meditate on what you said.

@Gigi- Idol worship (like the way Catholics worship Mary and made Peter out to be the first Pope) to me is a worse sin than calling out someone for erring. And, aren't you passing judgement on me for pointing out Peter's mistakes?

Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,

Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,

Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,

Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.

The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"

Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"

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In 1609 the Duay-Rheims Bible was printed in English with Apochryphal, becoming the first Official Catholic bible in English.

In 1611, The King James Bible was authorized with Apochryphal.

In 1782, the Robert Aitkins Bible prints with Apochryphal . First Bible printed in America.

In 1846 The Illuminated Bible printed in America with Apochryphal. It was very elaborately illustrated.

It wasn't until after the mid-1800's that Bible translations dropped the Apochryphal books from Protestant Bibles.

So this is a good timeline to briefly show the Bible's translation and printing history.

I am not promoting having the Apochrypha in Bible's, just giving a historical perspective.

Hope this helps.

You can also Google

History of the Apochrypha to read more on this topic.

Dear Catherine again.

I have been reading up on the history of the Apocrypha.

One site gave a good timeline for the writings and translations of books included in the Bible over the centuries going back to the time of Moses (1400 B.C.)

In this timeline it said that the Apochryphal books were included in the Septuagint which translated in 200 or so B.C. the Mosaic texts of the OT from Hebrew to Greek because, since the conquering by Alexander the Great, Greek became the common language and Hebrew fell out of use so the Jews could no longer read or understand it. This translation is the one used by Jews, Jesus, his disciples, and early Christians. It contained the Apochryphal books.

In 467 A.D. Athanasian led the canonization of the 27 books of the New Testament, which has remained so up to our current day.

In 367 A.D. Jerome translated the Septuagint and New Testament books from Greek to Latin. This translation was called the Vulgate and was used by most churches up to the Reformation. It contained the Apochryphal books. In 1384 Wycliffe translated the Vulgate into English in a handwritten copy. It included the Apochryphal books.

In 1455A.D. Gutenberg invented the printing press and the first book printed en masse was the Gutenberg Bible in Latin. It included the Apochrypal books.

In 1522, Martin Luther translated the Bible from Latin to German with the Apochryphal.

In 1526 A.D. Tyndall-Matthews translated the New Testament in English.

In 1535, Myles Coverdale translated the first complete Bible in English with Apochryphal.

In 1539, the Great Bible was printed, being the first English Bible Authorized for the public to use. It included the Apochryphal books. Now English speaking people could have their own personal Bible!

In 156? The Geneva Bible was printed and it added verse numbers to the chapters in the Bible. It included the Apochryphal.

N 1586 the Bishop's Bible was printed from which the King James Version was a revision. It had the Aprochypha.

Hello. What year or what was the last year, did the KJV Bible no longer use the Blackletter Gothic type? In particular the quarto editions. Thanks for any help.

Hi Mike.

Daniel 11:37. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

This quote The desire of women is a title in the Hebrew language. It has a messianic expectation. It doesn't mean the desire "FOR" women as we would put it.

God bless.

Perhaps someone else can help us on this.

Hey Mike Keese,

You will find that in Daniel 11:37, some put this at the end times, but my understanding, this was in the past, Read the entire chapter and also 1 Maccabees will talk about some of it. Antiochus IV is who this is speaking of and what he did to Jerusalem and stopping the daily sacrifices, the abomination of desolation in the temple. Whoever was found in possession of a Torah was put to death, whoever circumcised their children were put to death and a lot more. I will keep it short, may this help.

God bless,

RLW

Amen Alex

Absolutely.

Hi Tracy, the book Enoch isn't in the KJV Bible, nor any other Christian Bibles that I'm aware of, because it wasn't considered canon. But the man Enoch is mentioned in the KJV Bible: Link

Where does it say the antichrist will not have a love of women

I hear what you say. I have family too. I love them very much.

We are followers of Jesus. Everyone expresses it how they decide. Let us remember the rich young ruler story, to keep us oriented rightly. That's Ll I'm saying. I didn't choose this, it chose me.

I do it because no one asked me if I'd like to go to church with them. Not even JW's, lol. I was bad, but I needed help.

THE CROWN OF REJOICING:

To those who faithfully are witnesses to the saving grace of God and lead souls to Jesus. This crown has also been named the soul winner's crown. Itindicates here that God will be giving a crown to those who have witnessed toothers and leading people to Christ.Telling others about the grace of God, telling others about Jesus, is the greatest thing that you can do for someone while here on this earth. When you help someone to be led to the Lord, you have just been used as a vessel of God. It says in the Bible,"Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holy and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:" 1 Thessalonians 2:10 God will judge you by your willingness and desire to be used by Him to witness to others, not necessarily on how many actually get saved; because we are to water and He gives the increase.Christians can be used by God to try to lead others to the Lord. God can fit opportunities for you in your life to witness and work for Him if you allow Him to. Some could be your unsaved friends, family members or co-workers, etc. The Bible says it good here,"For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of ourLord Jesus Christat his coming?" 1 Thessalonians 2:19

Pray to the Lord of the Harvest.

Good day Mishael

You are right. We should be living for Jesus every day. We are to be ready for His return as we continue to go about His business. For some, it is missionary work, for others volunteering to serve others in a church fellowship, for others, it is continuing to work a solid work week to provide for their families, and for still others, it is being retired and spending time with family and enjoying grandkids. Family life is really important. All family relationships are important: parents, children, siblings,grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins.

All of these aspects of family are worth having and fostering in healthy, godly ways. So many children miss out on positive family relations.

As believers, these relationships are very valuable, as we should rely on me another in day to day life and in times of trouble. When more trying times come upon us, we will seek to assist our family first, as I think is how the Bible instructs us. Evangelism and love for others starts with family.

I think the point of being wise to the times and readiness is important, but I also believe we are to live out our lives in the situation God has placed us in until we have a clear directive from the Spirit to do otherwise. Others may disagree, but I think this way because of how the family has suffered so much damage over the past few generations, we just an't ignore the needs of our children and grandchildren. They are our mission field while they are young.

Hi Catherine

It is my understanding that the Apocrypha was included in Bible Translations up to about 1500-1600 or so. After that time Protestant translators began to drop thes books from their publications. I have been aware of the Apochryphal books for most of my life. I have not studied them though.

So I really cannot speak to their content much.

In 1990 I sent a letter to 11 Major ministries in the Us. It was about Ancient deities that people sacrificed their children to; aborted.

I listed cycles of discipline beside each new ten year cycle of people born in the US. What defined each unique generation. From the 50's until now. Don't think no one noticed. God knows what you suffer; and are suffering. He wants to heal those who want to be healed. He gave His only begotten Son for us. Every aborted baby is alive in heaven and loved.

I watched those generations. I seek no glory for I bow my knee to the One who reached into near hell and pulled me out. I saw Him. I saw a Hand. I am telling you that this is the generation that will see Jesus catch up His Church in the clouds.

We are all called to be Watchman. Whether we believe this is happening_is up to us. We can be all in, or all out. The dream of long life, happy retirement in a beautiful lakehouse with our grandkids, will not be. There's no reason we can't marry and have families now. Let's repent and lead the people who are here now; to Jesus's salvation.

The signs of the end are here. They are undeniable Now, but people are ostriches! The 1st day after the Rapture everyone will go to Church then.

I'm not going to be engaged in unbelief. I haven't had a nice 35 yr long baby Christian life. I had to hit it hard fast. There's others like me. We came in after the charismatic thing. We were warned of false prophets, false teachers, wolves, hirelings, antichrist spirits, sensuality, apostates. It's here now.

Vote for Jesus. But let's stop being politically soured on life. Awake Sleepers.

Re-imagine life in heaven, eternally. Make it happen. Evangelize. Preach simple for short attention spans. Tell your testimony. Meet real people! Get off Facebook. Pass out Chick tracts. Ask Jesus for a new anointing. People need THE GOOD NEWS for a change. Preach the SIGNS of His Coming.

Stay off public private properties.

Michael and T. Levi's

This is an interesting thread.

I think that there is wisdom in both of your viewpoints.

There is good reason that Scripture tells us to respect our parents and elders. These people ought to have gained wisdom over time as well as having had more time to practice godliness through walking by the Spirit. Yet, there are many folks in the elder category who do not live God's way and practice hypocrisy. So we cannot lump. Everyone together in an age category. Likewise, many in the younger generation are sincerely seeking to live God's way and learn. From the example of others. They may look to those in the elder generation for godly advice and lifestyle examples. It is a blessing when they find an elder person they can trust and learn from.

Yet again, many in the younger generation think that the elder generation is old fashioned or out of touch with the realities of the younger generation. This attitude has been present in our society since the elder generation was young. When the younger folks say "OK Boomer" it usually reflects a dismissive, disrespectful attitude towards the elder person and what that person says. It is meant to as a put down.

So, I think that all believers in all generations should live a lifestyle that exemplifies Christ and speak to one another respectfully and listen attentively expecting to hear something helpful from others especially across generations.

As to the abortion issue. Sadly, it is those of the baby boomer generation that brought in the legalization of abortion and millions of babies have been murdered this way since 1972 (and also before it was legal).

But then again, it was many in this same generation that set up, supported, and volunteered at crisis pregnancy centers across the nation to help women see their baby in the womb via ultrasound and counsel them to choose life for their baby, along with adoption services and families adopting babies that would have been aborted without these services.

Dear Glenn

Yes we can disagree on this. But we both cannot be correct.

I do not think that you have shown the validity of your view from Scripture and most Christians across time would disagree with you.

But we can still be peaceable about this.

I was wondering if you could explain how you came to this view. Did you read it somewhere outside of Scripture or hear it preached by someone (who) or is it taught in your church affiliation (which is)

Just wish to know the sources from which you received this view.

Hi Catherine Gordon, the council of nicaea studied the scriptures and thought that certain books did not belong. If you choose to keep read and study them, that is totally up to you.

OOOhhh what great faith you have TJ Jackson. Just in simple statement, I LOVE GOD, is so powerful. That is the very first instruction that we were given from Jesus. Think you for breaking all the scriptures down into a simple sentence. I LOVE YAH. Keep going on in the faith brother. I pray that the love that Yah has shown you, may be spread abroad to others as well.

Dgjot,

I have read your posts and if I may point out a few things you may look at about Peter. I agree by using Matthew 16:18 making Peter what the Catholic Church is built on is misplaced because Jesus is the corner stone which the foundation is laid and if we look in Revelation 21:14 there twelve.

You may think of Peter being cowardly for denying Jesus but remember he was the one who cut off the ear of that guy when they came to arrest Jesus, and Peter was the only one who followed them to where they took Jesus. Did Peter repent, it is not written the words he said but it does tell us he went out, and wept bitterly, Matthew 26:75. Also Jesus made him say he loved Him three times, John 21:15-17.

There is one thing to keep in mind, even though Jesus told them several times, Jesus being arrested, crucified, buried, and resurrected was hidden from them. Luke 18:32-34. Then Jesus told them when He met and ate with them and opened their eyes where they would understand, Luke 24:44-47. In Matthew 16:22 Peter thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom there was no way he was going to be killed and the purpose of His death was hidden from them and Satan.

All during the time they were with Jesus they thought He was going to set up the kingdom then. They even asked Him before He ascended, Acts 1:6 and I am sure Peter and the others were confused thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom but here He is arrested and possibly going to be killed.

The reason you see a difference in Paul, Peter and the other 11 were told to only go to the lost sheep of Israel, Jerusalem first, to the Jews first, this is why the early battles about the Gentiles not having to be circumcised and obey the law. Acts 15, Peter had his dream in Acts 11. It was a learning curve for them that it took some time, but it is part of fulfilling prophecy.

If you considered this already, please disregard just thought it would help.

God bless,

RLW

Where is Enoch?

Your walking with God's Favor. You are blessed and nothing is impossible with God to do lose faith. Jesus is Lord over your life! Be still know that GOD is working it out.

In chapter 21:17 Jehorams last and youngest son is Jehoahaz , but in chapter 22:1 it says his youngest son is Ahaziah? My questions are why are they listing two different people as his youngest son? The other question is if Jehoram was 32 when he became king and he reigned 8 years and died then that should make him 40 at his death. How could he have a 42 year old son that reigned after him? Thanks for any imput. Just for kicks I looked in a living bible and they list Ahaziahs age when he began his reign at 22 yrs old.

Mrs Edwards...Jesus answed Peter as what i say to one i say to all....As God is no respector of persons....We all need to be washed in his blood...no exceptions.....When John said behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....Thats everbody.....toda el mundo...all the world...everbody