Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 963

Rick,

I think it is important to distinguish the sinful nature from our physical nature/natiural man.

I do not believe that they are one and the same. However the sinful nature affects our physical/natural man in that it works against God's will in our physical/ natural man to cause us to sin. We put to death the sinful nature by the Spirit on us. We do not kill our bodies or blood. They have been redeemed. I do not believe that the sinful nature resides in our blood, as you said.

But, like our new spiritual nature we receive from the Spirit, it is an evil nature that resides in us from conception on. It was added to what God created in Adam when they sinned. Their sin provided Evil access to reside in our beings but it was not part of our original creation.

Salvation conquered this sinful nature in us. It was removed from us, but still tries to take hold of us again. That is why we put it to death constantly by the power of grace through the Holy Spirit.

This is an intriguing subject as I don't think we can really fully comprehend what the sinful nature is, but the Scripture is clear that it is separate from our physical/natural self (this includes our body/blood). But our natural man is fully affected by the sinful nature prior to salvation.

Rick

In Romans 7 I believe Paul is referring to the "flesh" and "carnal" he us talking about the sinful nature. And this sinful nature affects all of our being as you said.

But in Romans 7:11-12

Says "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through. The Spirit who dwells in you.

And 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you have been bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your Spirit, which

Are God's.

So, as a believer, our whole person has been changed, redeemed and the Spirit in us allows our body, mind, and soul to be honorable and sanctified. So because our bodies are God's temple, it is now holy, as is our mind and soul. The sinful nature still wars against our whole being, but the Spirit dwells in us and empowers us to put the sinful nature to death, not our bodies.

So, in light of these Scriptures, I cannot think of my physical body, mind or soul as evil or worthless because Jesus has redeemed all of me.

In Job Chapter 1 verse 6 who are the sons of God and why did they present themselves along with Satan?

Donkor Makini,

Interesting question, this is my understanding, all the trees in the garden that they could eat from, even the Tree of Life, if they chose to eat, they were not forbidden to eat of it. God planted this tree of, knowledge of good and evil as well, and commanded Adam and Eve not to eat and if they did it meant surely die. This tree could have been any fruit, it was the breaking of God's commandment that made it forbidden.

What do we have in us that tells us good or evil? It is our conscience; it is the knowledge of good and evil the battleground of the Spirit and the flesh. When Adam and Eve ate of that tree and broke God's commandment the sin nature entered mankind and they received a conscience, or it was awakened to the knowledge to know the difference, they knew they were naked.

There are many opinions on Adam and Eve but was it by chance they would eat or not eat of this tree? Do we write it off to free will to think God did not know and was not in control? Isaiah 46:9-10. They were not the first to sin, John 8:44 and in scripture, there are two Adams, the first Adam a living soul and the last Adam a quickening spirit. There was the first man earthy, and there is the second man the Lord (Jesus) from heaven. and millions in between and millions since, all part of God's plan. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49

One purpose Jesus was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 Was the first Adams purpose part of this plan we overlook, and Satan was blind to, like Jesus' crucifixion?

Just my understanding.

God bless,

RLW

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.Jesus was in Gods mind before God even created the world. Jesus also mentioned in Gen 3:15. The seed of the women. So Jesus was before Abraham.

The seed was promised to Abraham. Consider Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Was this a physical Glory or one when God was well aware of what Jesus would do?

This is a matter of interpretation. This in itself does not prove your point.

Thanks

Dear Mishael Thank you very much for the kind words. They went straight to the heart! And I know it's true. God bless you and yours in Jesus' Holy Name.

ps. my own little testimony: People around change, and no longer walk the path that leads to the abyss. And it is none of us but God Himself that changes hearts in this time. Love u in Christ. All glory to Jesus. We never become discouraged in Jesus.

Luke 6 12-49

You talked about God sending out his Spirit. That is exactly what he did. It came down from heaven onto Jesus in the form of a dove. Indicting what type of ministry he would have.

You who have seen me have seen the father.

The word made flesh was the spirit of God in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus never said he was God.

But as you said he was a perfect manifestation of our Heavenly Father.

A manifestation is not the exact same of what it is manifesting.

There have been a lot of scriptures you and others have said prove Jesus is God.

I'II make a list and go through them one at a time to show why I don't believe they are saying what you say they are saying.

Thanks

My Dear Sweet Friends, it is so sad that the knowledge of this tree continues to elude the entire world, you included. Because of this ignorance war rage daily on Earth.

As a most consequential question anywhere, please all, give it a lot more study, though with another two attempts to answer this question I shall share the truth concerning this tree.

Even so, I have taught this in many places, including on FaceBook, and now the truth is in the world concerning it.

Hi Rick

You are doing the same thing that you say I am doing.

Thanks

Hi GiGi.

Goodmorning, Yes that would be a great Idea. I was just adding an insert on a topic that was already established in another thread. I was using my phone to send more on the topic but I fell asleep and the phone died and I lost everything.

I will visit you guys this afternoon.

God bless you.

Dgjot i hear ya,,,,good post...God bless ya....Peter was indeed a great man of God,...But he made some mistakes....like we all do at times.

Adamplease read 1Timothy 6:10. The love of money is the root of all evil.

Hello Gerry. That's an excellent question, that even some commentators fumble over. I think that the best way to look at that passage ( Revelation 22:14,15) is to also weigh in Revelation 22:10,11.

In vv 10,11, we see the Lord speaking to John to leave this great Prophecy open as the time is at hand. Those that reject Christ & continue in their wickedness will continue - those who that are sanctified, stay true to the Lord.

Then in vv 14,15, we read that John himself speaks (in-between Jesus' Words to him), confirming the blessed position of those who obey the Lord as opposed to those who are rejected for their many sins (those who are in the Lake of Fire & would never make it to that City). So, it may be that Apostle John is simply making a statement of those who have a right to the Tree of Life & those who will not be found anywhere there; and not necessarily, as it appears in our reading, that there might be evil even in this new creation of God, where sin, death, & hell are in that fiery lake. I realize that this explanation may not be received well, but if sinners were running loose at that time, it would make the other Scriptures that speak of this time & this City, erroneous.

When you want to study a scripture or passage:

Go on Google and type it in this way. I generally look at stuff on the BIBLEHUB link

Type like this:

Matthew 12:48, Commentaries

Matthew 12:48, Teachings

Matthew 12:48, History

May the Lord bless your hunger and thirst with joy and revelation

Adam and Eve were created in the image of God with free will to make choices.

So by essentially placing the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden and commanding Man to NOT eat from the tree, God was providing Man with the choices of good and evil. Though this Man had the chance to Love God by Obeying Him or rebel against God by Disobeying Him.

The Tree of Life represents the propensity of people to be drawn towards the source of their life, i.e. to seek to return to a natural state. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil represents the propensity of people to be drawn towards separateness, knowledge, leverage and gain.

Initially, man was created in purity and innocence. The forbidden fruit was a part of God's creation that had its own taste and its consequence. And so, as a general instruction, God informed Adam & Eve not to eat that particular fruit.

If Adam and Eve had eaten from the Tree of Life, they would have lived life eternal in a state of sin. The tree of life represents Jesus. That's why the Garden was immediately guarded by an Angel with a flaming sword to protect the 2 trees and Adam and Eve.

Note: Adam lost the Dominion that God gave him, to the serpent. Lucifer lost his name and his body, so he took a serpents body. You see this in the story of Jesus allowing the demons go into a herd of swine, which leaped off a cliff, dying.

Without bodies again on the hunt for something else to possess.

Scripture shows the Tree of Life in the Book of Revelation; also the Ark of the Covenant. I'm not sure why.

Faith in Jesus' Faith is everything in mankind's and my life. because Jesus is the only one one who ressurected after living a perfect sinless human life, Therefore He has been accepted as our representative before God's Throne. Jesus also has authority, to inpart his justice to mankind. The only thing I need is accept an love Him. I can look for life on wrong places, learn that lesson, and try again on the right way. There is only One who has overcome death! I dont have anyone else to help on this matter. Where can I find Jesus? on the Word of God. Jesus indicates and gives crdit, to the bible writen on His days, whe talking to the disciples on Emas's road. And today we stil have the old testament. the new testament is about Jesus second comming as the old was about the Messiah, Whom is Jesus ressurected, interceeding on Heavenly Sanctuary, as the High priest did simbolicaly on earth sanctuary, once a year on attonment's day.

The faith comes by reading the bible as Jesus teaches His disciples. Faith like love comes by knowing the person and talking to her. prayer is simple as asking a favor to an elder brother. Thats what the good thief did on the cross, and as he recieved The answer he needed we can recieve it too, because the last enemy to be vanquished is death, and Jesus is wiling to give me and you, His victory over death simply by love and faith on His sacrifice done just by Love and Faith also, as man's son! God's secret is that Jesus is at the same time The begotten son of God Almighty, and has the Power to give eternal life, to me and whosoever believes and loves Him according with the holy scriptures, wich Jesu accomplish as He stated on His last words spoken on the cross. May God put in your heart and will of power, the resolution to ask God's forgivness and look for Jesus, on the right place, The Holy Bible. Our fiel of chrystian labor and duty, is to act according with Jesus's good deeds, and example, towards our neighbor. men!

A commentary alone is a persons opinion. If you read 10 more commentaries ( use BibleHub dot com ) all similar but different.

Often opinions vary. Some use Greek or Hebrew interpretation and some don't.

We cannot take commentaries interpretations and opinions and put them against the Bible God's Word. We have to carefully read the Bible and hopefully it is a REFERENCE BIBLE with Center of each page, columns on each page:

That offer other scriptures that more explain the scriptures you are studying. Also they point us to prophesies. Give more info on a passage.

Check Geneologies, because even troubled and sinful people are in Jesus's bloodline; up until Bethlehem.

In their culture is was forbidden to inter-marry with un-circumcised bodies and hearts. For us= unbelievers. If we marry them, they can say I don't want to attend church, and I prefer you don't either. Modern people don't believe that, rush into marriage, and sometimes end up divorced or mistreated. Lots of that going on nowadays.

I'm happy that you questioned this passage.

1 Corinthians 6 & 7 have good info on how to be happy as a believer. I'm sure Dinah was exposed to Jewish teaching. It's a sad story.

Thank you so much that really helps a lot never thought of it in that way

Have a great day ...

We are never short of things for which to give Give God thanks. Do we realize that every time we go to sleep and wake up, He did that for us? He satisfies us with so many great things...our mind, body & soul; the elements - fresh air we breathe; water; people around us etc., etc., etc., (just think of life without any one of these). Yes, Our God is Awesome!

Jesus was the son of God before Genesis. From Genesis 1 to Luke 1, mankind waited for Jesus's Genealogy to be fulfilled. Each ancestor was chosen. Hundreds of prophesies were fulfilled.you can read every one of them on Google. Prophesy made and when each one was fulfilled.

The odds of all that being fulfilled by one person is 'infinity to one'. Same thing with New Testament prophesies that Jesus fulfilled. Look for the charts.

Adam had Dominion; which he could have used in the garden to order satan off this earth and into outer darkness forever. But he chose to follow Eve.

Then Genesis 3:15 was in force. On a future day the Son of God became the Son of Man. Mary and Joseph were the ones chosen because of the BLOODLINE of Jesus. By conception he became HUMAN like Adam and Eve, like us. His name: Immanuel: "God With Us." [which coincidentally clearly says Jesus is God; part of the GODHEAD]

Romans 1

Why all of this we may ask? Satan is a created being; an angel. By deception he Stole the Dominion over the earth. He has no human body.

He is illegal on this earth. Isaiah 14 tells us what he looks like. He has no legal right or any power over a practicing Christian. Jesus gave us power and authority to bind and loose; IN HIS NAME.

At the Cross When Jesus shed his blood and died for all mankind. John 3:13-21. Also, the prophesy of Genesis 3:15 was fulfilled. While his body was in the tomb, Jesus went down to hell, preached salvation to the prisoners of Satan; and Jesus took back the keys to death, hell and the grave.

Jesus's bled out on the cross, upon the Earth. His blood and all the humans. He took back everything Satan stole. If we don't rightly divide the Word of Truth and act on it; we will suffer demonic attacks and our loved ones.

Re-read the Bible and SEE the plan of God at work, throughout 1000's of years. Read Job 1. We're living in the days of Noah (Christians) and Jonah (Nineveh society). EVANGELIZE!!!!

Mishael

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Yes, since Abel's faith, until Jesus's Faith, all th way along what is writen on hebrewes's eleventh chapter. I too, can grow from justification, like the good thief had at the cross, instantaneously justified, and in peace, just based on Jesus's Faith. He observed Jesus's behavior, in contrast with the other thief's despair, remembered Lazarus's ressurection, and had faith in Jesus's love and Power over death, as simply as a younger brother on his elder one. The good thief decided to believe in Jesus, as The Truth, THe Way and The Life, and god's Messiah. He believed that Jesus was able to ressurect him, like Abraham did, when facing Isaak's imminent sacrifice, received his son back, as if being ressurected from the dead.

Santification and Jesus's good deeds, on believer's life, result from The Peace that comes, with Holy Spirit's in believer's mind, after accepting Jesus's bood mrits, transforming and renewing.

I can't disagree with what you've written Jim, particularly those individual quotes from Scripture. For truly Jesus' coming was in God's Mind at that earliest time in the first man & woman's lives. He was symbolically the spiritual Rock that supplied life-giving water to Israel, as He is also the Giver of that Living Water to all who believe. And He did become the Man Jesus at His Birth as He could also say that He would ascend to His Father & your (Mary's) Father.

The problem becomes evident when we rest only on those individual Scriptures & not look at all the Scriptures that speak of Him. I realize that you did, a few days ago, give your understanding of John 1:1-14, which I can't locate again. How then do you view John 8:58, John 17:5, or even Colossians 1:14-17, to name a few? What you write to us, we can readily agree to, but it's the Scriptures that are not taken into account, that makes understanding a difficult doctrine, one-sided. If these 'other' Scriptures were not given to us, then truly we must believe that Christ came into Being at His Conception in Mary. The examples of verses I've given above would be very difficult to read in any other way than given. Here are Truths that we can't avoid - they, together with His coming as a Man, must fit together so that we can properly understand Who this Jesus is (at least as much as is revealed to us).

After Dinah was raped and her brothers sought and carried out vengeance against the Shecemites I read in a commentary that Dinah was partly to blame. It was stated that Dinah should not have planned to visit the daughters of that land. The suggestion was that she was interested in how they behaved, and how the dressed etc. The commentary also expressed the opinion that daughters were cuddled, and over protected by family members. Although Jacob's sons acted out with extreme violence to take revenge for their sister's honor having been defiled, the tone of the commentary seems to place some of the blame with Dinah. I was surprised.

Dear Marjorie Hodges, In my translation I have a reference to

Leviticus 5.17 And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he knew it not, yet he is guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

Many thanks to you who made me dwell on this! Love u in Christ.

Luke chapter 6. God bless

My Dear Sweet Friends, rhetorically; what exactly is the "TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL"?

This is probably the most significant question as regards the kingdom of heaven.

My Dear Sweet Friends, there is only one death, one resurrection. That which is commonly called death is actually a transition!

The true death, and the truly dead relate to only those who eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So, as the world come to understand this, then shall we no longer have death! As is said, death is the last to be conquered. This is how that is so.

No man may be bodily resurrected, not even the Messiah! Just as a virgin cannot conceive, neither is bodily resurrection possible.

A man may well be reborn, that is a fact! And, one may, in that Way be "raised" from the dead!

The raising of one from the dead is a simple matter, if I may say so. It simply involves teaching one as to what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is, and convincing them to stop eating thereof. This is the transformation of the human back into the Man. And, the Man is made in the likeness and image of God, Who Is Love!

Love is the Spirit, so the resurrection/rebirth is of the spirit, and is therefore spiritual.

Thank you for taking the time to write back, Dr. Lee. From what you've written, the Old Testament was an angelic creation, ordained by them, & not part of the given Law. I hope I've understood this correctly. However, when re-reading Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19, I see that in both verses, the Law is spoken of (not splitting it between the Decalogue & the 613 Laws, where one is the Law & the other, the Old Testament).

When we consider that the title, 'Old Testament' was the creation of a division because of the increased volume of books (NT) & for necessity's sake, done in the 2nd Century AD, we accept that the Old Testament was simply an identification & creation of a partition of what was a collection of biblical records pre-Christ from those post-Christ. Indeed, much of the Gospels should actually be placed in the OT for that reason. And the word "testament", which means 'a covenant, an agreement', would simply show that this older part of the Bible contained the five covenants made by God with His people & all that transpired from them. But I see that you understand this term, 'Old Testament', differently, & it's this aspect that intrigued me, & even after the references you gave, I still cannot see the meaning you shared (at least from the Scriptures), between the Old Covenant (singular, pertaining to the Mosaic) & the Old Testament (incorporating all the Covenants plus the prophecies & other writings).

My Dear Sweet Friends. absolutely! In fact wheresoever man is, so too are all creatures.

Good Evening S. Spencer

Good point about the kinsman redeemer.

Jesus is my Prophet, Priest, and King.

But we could list so many more Titles for Him and studying what these titles mean can deepen our knowledge of Him.

So perhaps it would be a good idea to take this thread to name Titles and give Scripture verses that speak these Titles.

I'll have to begin that and get back to you.

It's fine if you want to take the thread another way.

Good to hear from you. Good night.