Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 986

Chris It Is Written!

Hi Brother Good stuff out Messiah had to fulfill all the law so he could carry out Grace and truth.

Thank you GiGi & Rick for those good comments. I offered mine, not in any way to oppose what you wrote, but to state my belief of the nature of God's descent by His Spirit upon His Son. I feel, hopefully wrongly, that some here & certainly in many churches, that the dove emblem might just become an assumed physical nature of the Holy Spirit rather than simply a description of His coming upon Jesus.

Did Jesus even need to have the Spirit come upon Him? Not at all, but given as visible proof to John & I feel, a part of Jesus' Own Words given at His request to be baptised, "it becometh us to fulfil ALL righteousness": not only for the baptism but also the Father's further identification & approval (by the Spirit) of the One He sent ( John 1:33) - that John (and those after him who read these words) may also know this special One, anointed of God, sent by God, & fulfilling all the demands upon Him by His Father.

jcbu undercover is my Holy Ghost writer name it stands for Jesus Christ Believer Undercover.We have a foundation to fund missions to the lost,falling beautiful angels spiritually impared.There are two books Destiny Dreams and Visions ,and The Mysterious Castle and deadly sins.The books are interactive,and ask the reader to write down there blessings or prayers or bible verses.It is my misson to help missions.There are also songs that are entered into a contest.If you would pray that these books would sell it will help these missions.I have been blessed with many gifts of the Holy Spirit but these book's could find some lost, even one would be so great the angels will be rejoicing.I pray in Jesus name that you are filled with Faith ,Hope ,Charity.Amen

Gigi,

Is this directed at me?

Winter pettitt Look very carefully at Gen. 1:6-8 especially what the firmament or expanse is called.

Roni From what I have gathered there was a ramp leading up to an opening on the side, whats interesting is who closed the Ark God Gen.7:16

Thank you for the reply back,yes I do know there are some things we aren't to understand & mysteries as well. I'm trying my best to understand,as I was growing up I went to Church,& depended on my Pastors to teach what was right & now that I'm older & been online I have learnt I was mis-guided in many ways. Especially since I only learned 6yrs. ago about the Pagans,the traditions & mans along with it,I felt ashamed that the most of my life I find I've been in mockery all along. As well some say the KJV Bible,which is all I have ever had, wasn't the real Bible & I should read the Araibic or the Torah. And Jesus is not Jesus,His real name is Yeshuwa (???) & also that we shouldn't say Amen. I just Pray,that God knows my dilemas with all this & leads me the right way. Oh,& also that calling on the Lord is something of the pagans tradition(??) I would like to get in a Church that was right & didn't cling to pagan traditions,,even alot of my friends & Family have turned against me since I haven't been involved . Just trying to follow & do Gods ways & hope I go to Heaven,,& Blessings to you.

Gigi My understanding in John 20:22+23 he was explaining for the future, in John 16:7 he says the

Comforter, the spirit to come after as he says he is Glorified, and that occurred when he Sat at Gods Right

Hand and completed His ministry on Earth. It was not available to receive permanently gift of Holy Spirit

until pentecost and to be received we confess out saviour from sin and from the heart Romans 10:9+10

and believe in your heart. It's your privilege to believe what you will. Moving onward to the bema!

Amen Brother Dan.

God bless you my friend.

Good night.

Gigi When was being born again or receiving holy spirit made possible?

I'm trying to learn all about John but not John the gospel one,

Chris That's my understanding, it was specifically for john the baptist both the vision of the dove and the voice from what I've read,and then John announced who he was behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. It says sin because his sacrifice paid for the consequences of the condition we are born in sin when we believe.

Choose to believe..

I think you don't know the power of Jesus Christ...he has mighty power and God the father gave him that power...he can to do anything ..not here to argue but he is as powerful as the Father...God put part of himself into a human, and that Human was and "IS" Jesus Christ who has the same power as his Father..he died on the cross willingly for the sins of the whole world..and he rose himself from the Dead three days later...he is the great "I AM" meaning he is the true son of God with Gods power to do anything he wants..he has no limits...and he will be back to collect his chosen ones.in hid own time of choosing when "HE" is ready... we need to get out souls prepared for that day...Jesus Christ is ALIVE ..he is the "LIVING GOD" ...your beliefs must not be the same as my belief..becouse he has no limit what he can do...

Blessings to you and yours

Catherine.

Chris,

You are right. The writers described how it appeared to them. But the actual Presence of the Holy Spirit was probably not an actual dove. was responding to Alex's post that seemed to say that the Holy Spirit appeared as a dove.

But, as you said, I think the descent was like a dove. Just as at Pentecost, the tongues of fire were not the Holy Spirit, nor the wind, but are what God used to signal His Presence coming upon each believer in the room.

Hi Bro Spencer,

You stated: "I hear often how simple scripture is to understand bur yet the Bible is the most debated collection of books ever."

I feel many are blessed with " a simple way of understanding" when reading, and comprhending, the scriptures. I pray to God everyday for the wisdom to fear God, and for God to bless me with his Holy Spirit for his guidence while studing his Bible Scripture. I believe that God blesses me and can only attribute this ease of my understanding to the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure many can look for deeper understanding on various aspects of scripture in the OT and NT, Jewish laws, Prophesies, Geneology, Language differences, History, and a multitude of other subjects. Including never ending debates on these issues. I attribute this to man being man!

I enjoy the many historical aspects, but my major interest lies in the "gospel of Jesus Christ", and his message of salvation. God wants his message of salvation to be simple, and easy to understand. I'm also compelled by the Spirit to help others understand God's simple message of salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15-17

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. God Bless

Rick

I was responding to what you said in your post. "They had no spiritual understanding of what he was communicating until they were born again at Pentecost." The text does not say that they were born again at Pentecost. They were believers before Pentecost and were gathered together as Jesus instructed, praying and praising God. In John 20:22J, Jesus breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit does not indwell un-regenerated people.

I believe that what Jesus spoke happened at that moment. What happened at Pentecost was another work of the Holy Spirit that happens after conversion.

You and others have repeatedly spoken that salvation comes when one confesses with one's mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. I am pretty sure that the disciples had done this as a result of their experience with the risen Lord before He ascended. The Scripture nowhere says that an experience such as at Pentecost is the means of salvation. It is what God brings to already regenerated persons

So, for me, I believe that Jesus gave the disciples the teaching and understanding they needed to believe the gospel and take the gospel to the world prior to His ascension. The power to perform miracles, speak in tongues, and to be courageous in the face of opposition and persecution came at Pentecost. That is my point in responding to what you pointed about these disciples. You spoke as if you knew for sure that they were unsaved prior to Pentecost because, I believe as you seem to imply that that experience is the means of salvation rather than that in Romans 10, that you have often cited as the means of salvation.

Therefore, I understand what you said about the natural and spiritual man. You assumed that the disciples were not reborn and therefore had not a spiritual man in them. I contend that they did. I think Jesus was more than able to accomplish all that was needed in is disciples before He ascension. God Bless.

Hi GiGi. In my understanding of Luke 3:22 & other Gospels referring to the Holy Spirit's descent, each of them describe that vision "as a dove, or like a dove". I realize that it's popular to depict that event as an actual dove descending upon Jesus after His Baptism, but it would seem hard to believe that God would use an animal to represent Himself (e.g. Exodus 20:4; Romans 1:23). Rather, I believe that what the Gospel writers were describing, was the manner of the Spirit's descent, made visual by God for man to behold, & that descent was in the slow, gliding, maybe fluttering manner as of a dove. So, I don't see a picture of a bird here, rather an object of God's design, coming upon His Son as His witness for man's sake.

I would treat describing the Spirit appearing in that instance as a dove akin to us describing the other persons of the Godhead in picture or statue form. Just my thoughts on that time of Jesus' inauguration into ministry.

I'm so glad to be saved by our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazereth!!!

Genesis 8:13, states that Noah removed the covering of the Ark. Would like to know what this covering was ???

what does firmament mean?

Donna Nice short and to the point Gods Style.

Mishael What a tremendous future to look forward to for standing faithfully.

Humble and kind, Fruit of the Spirit and walk in love. Look up the 5 Crowns while you're at BemaSeat

Have a nice day__Adios!

Donna We keep the word in our hearts where we first believed Romans 10:9+10 and then Proverbs 4:23 kicks in Guard

guard or keep thy heart Gods Word with all diligence[mental effort to get desired result] for out of it are the issues of life. The more we put in our mind Romans 12:2 the more we believe in our hearts and the more we walk in the spirit we have

been given. Then we are witnesses because of changes in our lives.

For the same reason you store contacts in your phone. you hide the word in your heart so you'll have it when you need it which is always. You need it for 1 million different reasons to live pleasing to the Lord, to share with sinners it is our "hard drive" (heart drive:-)where we store the word of God.

U have right it will be that way. All Honor too Him. And what fantastic day that will be.

We can have it on a prayer list for u too resive the Holy Spirit.

Remember that He will give u a gift who fits His work. And simular too how u like too do.

Search for Him.

Listening.

Pray that He come too u.

And help u.

Be patient.

We ppl are not strong in our self. But in The Holy Spirit we can do anything for Jesus Christ all honor to Him. Good luck in Jesus Holy name.

Rick Mentzer yes i can see that amen....Gbu

Jocelynne Bell,

Only the Father knows the day Jesus will return, Mark 13:32, we are told to watch Matthew 25:13. How do we know Jesus died in the first place, we look back, God said 100s of years before it would happen. Isaiah 7:14 Scripture points to how he will be born, and also to one of the names given to Christ: Immanuel, Matthew 1:23. Micah 5:2 This scripture tells where He will be born and from what tribe, which was Judah, Matthew 2:5 Luke 2:4.

Psalm 22:7-8 This scripture tells how they will ridicule Him, Matthew 27:40-43. Psalm 22:16-18 the same refers to the actual crucifixion of Christ, Matthew 27:35,39,41,49. Isaiah 53:5 tells they will pierce Him for our transgressions, and by his wounds, we are healed, John 19:34.

I could list more scripture that was written 100s of years before that is clear that it was Jesus our savior that was told of before and what would happen to Him, and we can be sure He will return the same way as He ascended Acts 1:10-11 Revelation 1:7

God bless and have faith; If prophecy told it would happen 100s of years before and it happened have no doubt it is true. He is coming back and will set the kingdom upon the earth.

RLW

:) that is okej. Ty and be blessed.