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Signs-Water

"Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:/ But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." ( John 4:13-14) Two kinds of water.

Thirsting again is the quality of water that went up as a mist, "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."(Ge.2:7) What God gave Samson to drink was the same. This sign is within frame of reference to the day decreed for the Son. Thus blessings stipulated in the covenant or condemnation arises. This is made clear by unto this day and in that day. The latter refers to the condemnation.

"But the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life," is what every believer or true worshiper could claim."n the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink."( John 7:37-38; Is.55:1) The two kinds of water have thus different source as Adam and the last Adam have. "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."(1 Co.15:47)

It is thus we distinguish between Sabbath as one day which need like water from the Jacob's Well. But thirst never gos away. The water unto everlasting life that we drink in the Son signified we have entered into the rest with the Son.

Does this insight come from human intellect or from the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ?" (2 Co.4:6) The heretical sects who make much Israel and Sabbath are holding truth in unrighteousness. More worse is that the refuse to come to light because their works are evil." And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. ( John 3:19-20) What is their take on the unity of the Spirit. Drivel.

Signs: "water and fire"

Water

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."(Ge.1:6) As with separation of light we have God making a distinction between the waters above and below the firmament. So signs where water from the earth rising as a mist is different from the river flowing out of Eden to water the garden on the east of Eden. Everlasting covenant applies here as well. Adam whose sin of disobedience proved that he was a servant. "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"(Ro.6:16). Jesus gives us a clue to the expulsion of Adam, "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever( John 8:35-36). The Garden that God planted was for the last Adam. It also example the purpose of the water,"But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." This is the quality of 'the vile body' of flesh and blood.(Ge.2:7-8) The first Adam was earthy on account of it.

Water sent from God we shall see at several places, so everlasting covenant is operational. The ground was cursed on account of sin and when Hagar was in dire straits in the wilderness of Beersheba we read that God opened her eyes, "And she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink."Ge.21:19). This river of time flows till the last chapter. Against which Moses giving Israelite water to drink and quenching the thirst of mighty Samson which establishes the covenant is working. God sent succour to him and the place, "which is in Lehi unto this day:(Ju.15:19). This water serves as a sign that he was blessed in the Son according to the covenant. On the contrary we have " In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness." (Ze.13:1). This is in relation to the new earth.

Matt.16:3-4 "Signs""O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?/A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas."

Jesus the word become flesh was the sign and it referred to the Father who sent him. So whatever signs the Jews sought belonged to a wicked and adulterous generation. Isaiah referring to his sons referred to another generation which owed it validity from the everlasting covenant. "Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion."(Is.8:16). God had determined beforehand what their names shall be. It applied to the spirit of the times, a specific threat from Syria. In relation to the national identity of Israel these two sons were living proof that His promises shall not fail. Signs based on the Generation of Jesus owed to the covenant. For this reason Jesus referred the sign of the prophet Jonah. It referred to the death and resurrection of his Son.,The writer to the Hebrews cites Isaiah in order to show the generation of Jesus covered the day God decreed for his Son.(Ps.2:7). " Behold I and the children which God hath given me" leads us to the reason for the humanity of Jesus. Sanctification is what it meant. "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." So who sanctifies the people? (He.2:10-11). This shall throw light on the commandment on Sabbath. "Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you."(Ex.31:13) That ye may know." Without this their disbelief made their generation, them hypocrites.

Hello Momsage. I'm surprised by your engaging with me here, since you haven't rescinded your past request in this regard.

In any case, to respond now to your question, I think you will agree that the Sabbath, as with the other nine commandments were given purely to the children of Israel. I say that with some confidence as you stated this fact (in part) to Naisa Koroi, "The 4th commandment, although, addressed to Israel at the time God gave them, were for ALL of Gods children...".

So our difference is not on which day the Sabbath falls (i.e. on the seventh day of the week, the day that the LORD chose to cease from all His works & sanctify it ( Genesis 2:2)), but whether the Jewish observance of the Sabbath is encumbent upon the one in Christ now. You've stated that the 4th Commandment is "for ALL of God's children", and this is where I would disagree. I would find it difficult to correctly understand the directives given to the Church from Jesus & the Apostles, and yet still hold onto the Law (which includes the Decalogue & other commandments) that not only don't apply to me, a Gentile, but of no value to the Church in Christ Jesus.

Probably like you, I grew up learning by rote, the Decalogue, as also the stories of Adam & Eve, the Flood, the Crucifixion, etc. And we accepted all that we were taught without question. But when I became new in Christ Jesus, many questions arose, and sometimes challenged my long-held beliefs carried through the years. So, by searching the Scriptures, I no longer count my previous learning valid, though very useful of course, but try to bring together all what the Bible teaches me. Many Scriptures assisted me in this, but one as an example is Galatians chap 3, and particularly verse 19: "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made...". Jesus' Coming & Sacrifice negated all the Law - we are now to live by His Spirit, obeying His Laws imputed in us.

Something happen to me and it's so wonderful that I want to share it with you all.

I am dealing with a job related issue for the last four weeks and I have been frustrated. I would pray morning and night and cry out to GOD and believed no matter what happen, even in my frustrated, daily state. GOD still showed up with me each day!

Each day I was expecting an answer but only got a partical answer or no answer at all to move me forward to the next day to receive a closure on the matter. Yesterday I got terrible news but I instantly decided to not stop believing and keep going.

I have never used my Faith for this long a period of time and the sistuation is dire but I refuse to believe that my GOD is not greater than any issue I face.

I'm now, more Determined, Frustrated and Excited all in one while still praising the LORD each day. I still do not have my answer but here is his glory:

I'm talking to GOD with grace and confidence each day.

I'm speaking the words from the bible of GOD's promises to me.

I'm standing on his words because they cannot return unto him void.

Through this process GOD is revealing things I did not know that are hendering my answer and providing me with wisdom to overcome it. It's just amazing when you put your Faith on the line and trust the process of GOD behind the seen.

This is our GOD KING JESUS>>>>

GOD is AWESUME.....and Worthy to be praised.

Hello S Spencer again.

Thankyou for your patience and guidence.This is sincerly appreciated and taken to heart.You have greatly expanded my experiance and journey.I have some distance to travel now and i feel excited about this.Thankyou.I feel i must stay intouch with you and Dear Gigi you are a comfort to me that i do not want to leave behind.Through KJV i will be intouch with you both again thankyou both.

Michael.May God be with you both.

Hello again Gigi.

I am more than gratefull for your patience with me.Thankyou.Your advice and guidence has expanded and taught me much already.I understand that this is a journey that never ends.Not a race to the finish.I have a large volume of reading and learning ahead.I tend to see this with excitement.Dont ask me to explain this because i can't.But in saying that i do know.A juxtaposition i know.Thankyou again Gigi.May God be with you.

Michael.

Luke 17:28-30-JESUS said:

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot;they did eat,they drank,they bought,they sold,they planted,they builded;

29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven,and destroyed them all.

30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

What was there or what happened in Sodoma,and Gomorra,and in the neighboring cities? Well,GOD sent two men there.And they said unto Lot,Hast thou here any besides?son in law,and thy sons,and thy daughters,and whatsoever thou hast in the city,bring them out of this place:For we will DESTROY THIS PLACE,because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord;and the Lord hath SENT US to DESTROY IT-Gen.19:12-13.

And Lot went out,and spake unto his sons in law,which married his daughters,and said, Up, get you out of this place;for the Lord will destroy this city.But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law-Gen.19:14.

Again:Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.Yes, even thus shall it be now,even now,from now on,the difference is that now is sent only one,not two men,and now the order/the command is to DESTROY THE WHOLE WORLD OF THE DEVIL,the process of destruction of the Devil's world is already running,understand?

Do you believe or you are like the sons in law of Lot thinking that I'm moking you?No surprise,if so.JESUS said:even thus will be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.Who is he?Michael- Daniel 12:1-3, Matthew 24:15-25 and 1Thessalonians 4:16.

Get ready

Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit,and his followers- 1Corinthians 6:9-10 and Revelation 21:8-,will be cast into the lake of fire.

Re.20:1-3->1And I saw an angel come down from heaven,having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon,that old serpent,which is the Devil,and Satan,and bound him a thousand years...and set a seal upon him,that he should deceive the nations no more

S.Spencer,

I agree with you in this matter. I was just wanting to encourage you to begin conversation on this forum on soteriology since it seems the Lord has put that on your heart at this time. I look forward to these discussions.

I do want to say that any of us should follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit in our conversation here and elsewhere. It is not a distraction or divisive to discuss a wide range of topics here or elsewhere. We do need to enter such discussions as you said, humbly and lovingly, with forbearance and patience no matter what the topic. Discussing soteriology is always a good topic to discuss, but there are many other topics that speak to important doctrines taught in Scripture that aid in building up the church in wisdom and unity. We each should bring forward the topics the Holy Spirit is prompting us to do, for, as you said, there is one body and one Spirit.

I don't think there is a need for us to discuss this further as I do agree that we should desire unity and harmony as well as take time to speak the Gospel in situation that are presented to us by the Holy Spirit and that there are those who are new believers that may need further explanation on their recent conversion and new relationship with God in and through Jesus Chrsit.

Blessings to you, Steven, as always. I hope your evening goes very well. Will talk with you soon.

Hi Chris.

If the day didn't matter why did God (Jesus) specifically command the Sabbath or the seventh day to be our day to rest like He did and emphasis it by telling us to remember it and then turn around when He was incarnate and discount it or change His mind about something so important?

A real day of rest, which is what God commanded, would be a real blessing for us. It rejuvenates the mind, body and soul. It gives us the opportunity to set the things of the world, work, even troubles, aside and gives us a full day to give God and family our undivided attention so we can just relax in the Lord. Fellowship with friends is good on the Sabbath also giving them real time and attention, not just a few minutes after church or sitting in a crowded, noisy restaurant.

That said, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew theyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth." is one of the most important scriptures we can read and obey, I believe. There are to many people telling us this and that and the other thing, including myself, so believers need to learn what God says about anything themself by studying and trusting the Holy Spirit to show them what God's will is. God Bless :)

Hello Naisa koroi:

Worshiping God is wonderful for the believer any day, any time whether on your own or in fellowship. The 4th commandment, although, addressed to Israel at the time God gave them, where for ALL of Gods children and that is proven by the fact that we obey them still today, except the 4th. The 4th commandment only asks that we set one day (Sabbath; Saturday) for a rest for our minds, bodies, and souls. Since most of the world worships on Sunday this is not breaking the 4th commandment, unfortunately though, people have also determined that that will be their day of rest also, despite the commandment is for Saturday. But putting days of the week aside, we need to have one day of real rest a week. God commanded it and specifically said "remember it" for us so that we, as believers, would make it a true day of rest. Mostly now Saturdays are for chores and errands and hopefully after worship on Sunday the person or family relaxes and rest at home. But if chores or errands weren't finished on Saturday it usually gets finished on Sunday because people attribute the Sabbath as only a day of worship now when, in fact as I said, there is nothing in the commandment that is about worship. It is such a blessing that you are a believer in Christ and have given your heart and life only to Him. Be glad and rejoice. Study your bible diligently for your answers as we are told to do in 2 Timothy 2:15 one of the most important verses in the bible, in my opinion.

God Bless:)

Hi Gigi.

Here's part 2.

We have Ephesians 4:1-13 touching on what's expected.

Vs 1) We are told to

walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called.

Vs 2) Here's how we are to do it. "With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Vs 3) Another Verse that brings clarity to what I posted.

"Endeavouring to KEEP THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT IN THE BOND OF PEACE.

Vs 4-13 ) We are gifted Christ Spirit and offices for him to perform in us. For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Contrary to this is Vs 14 where there is no unity but yet DISTRACTIONS and deception.

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Gigi my post was about distractions that take us away from our Great commission.

We don't glorify the Lord that way.

My reply to Ronald was about, out of all the doctrines I mentioned, ( Eschatology, Soteriology, ect ect. Soteriology is the most important and most neglected.

And it is the only one that carries consequences if you get it wrong.

God bless.

Hi Gigi.

Our purpose is to glorify God.

Our mission is to take the Gospel out to the whole world whether on Church on the streets in the grocery store or on this site.

It's "shouldn't" be common that any Christian would refute that.

My post, and reply to Brother Ronald was concerning our mission.

However,

let's talk about Glorifying God for a moment in relations to what I posted.

Here goes.

An article on distractions.

"Remembering Jesus' Prayer for Unity

We all know the narrative in John 17. But let's revisit it.

John 17:11

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.

This was the last thing on Jesus' mind before he went to the cross. He could have been praying about anything, but he chose to pray about unity.

There is the heading Gigi to this whole conversation.

When we are as one we Glorify the Lord, not when we are divided.

Look at the previous verse.

John 17:10. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM.

We are many members but yet one body, one Spirit, and one Lord.

We glorify the Lord by carrying on his mission in Love not chaos.

God set up these different offices within the body for that cause!

I will post a few scriptures for lack of time and space.

Ephesians 4:1-3.

Ephesians 4:4.

Ephesians 4:7-8.

And last but certainly not least. Ephesians 4:11-13.

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST:

Till we all come in the UNITY of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature OF THE FULNESS OF CHRIST:

We have built for a mission that Glorifies Christ!!

See Part 2. Staying right here in Ephesians.

Ge.1:14-18 "Signs" (2 of 2)

Then Jesus said unto them of his work. "For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world." At this they wouldn't have any of it. (He.12:14) Without holiness no one shall see God and without faith understand him. God gave the Israelites manna which they hated and would even want to stone Moses, and to them Jesus as the bread from heaven as a sign and his work would mean nothing. So Sabbath was a sign which was set within frame of reference to the Son. "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever." (Ex.31:17). As with the sign mentioned earlier, without fulfilling the forever aspect of the everlasting covenant the Law of Moses is a law given to the servant. The covenant between God and Man is everlasting. It is meant to be holy for the reprobate stiff-necked people. "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you." God who sanctifies them has set his Son. "But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption."(1 Co.1:30)

Hello again Michael,

I had written a reply but it somehow got lost so I will write it again.

I am so glad you have been helped in your reading and learning of Scripture.

When I was a young girl I read the Gospels again and again because I loved reading about my Savior. By the time I was 12 I had read the Epistles several times. I was helped in understanding what it means to be a believer and how to follow after Jesus better.

As I grew to maturity I read more of the OT. I loved Psalms.

Reading the Scriptures has been part of my lifestyle for 60 years. As a result, many times in conversations or interactions a verse will come to mind that applies to the circumstance and I will go to the Bible to find it and read the chapter it is in. The Holy Spirit causes this to occur, so hiding the Word in your heart by reading it regularly is good practice and is one of the ways the Holy Spirit guides us in our day to day life.

I hope and pray that you will grow in leaps and bounds in your knowledge of God and the riches and joy we receive from Him.

What a wonderful Savior He is!

Ge.1:14-18 "Sign" (1 of 2)

God set the sign in the everlasting covenant. "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs,". The light as signs should be read in the context of the separation of light from darkness.In v.3-4 God expresses His will, 'Let there be light' and the Son fulfills it, and it is made clear by the latter part of the verse. There was light."And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." In v.4 we read that both parties approved. "It was good." So God divided light from darkness. This provision in the everlasting covenant therefore shall never change. So the Spirit in organising the Scripture uses 'forever' in the direct frame of reference to the Son. Creation of sun, moon and the stars came further in the covenant. It is thus we have God as the Father of light while the Son is qualified as the true light. "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness". Significance and relevance of any sign can only be derivative from this covenant. The difference between the covenant and the Law of Moses can be explained from the following passage. Jesus explains what is the work of God. "They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?"( John 6:30)

Hello Michael,

Hermeneutics is the formal word used for the method used to interpret the Scriptures.

Greetings, David Allen,

I will be praying for your co-workers and your family. Thanks for sharing the requests here.

Michael.

The Sabbath day is the only commandment that the Seventh-day Adventists put great emphasis on.

The question is, do they tie it to salvation in any way.

Some seems to do so but indirectly.

But why just that commandment and not the rest? Again, James said "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

One would have to go to a Seventh-day Adventists church and ask them can you join their church and not hold to that doctrine.

Why the law was given in the old testament and its purpose is an whole study of its own with great importance.

This is why I recommend reading the Torah in your particular case, followed by the Gospels and on to Galatians. Then go to acts and sweep the rest of the New Testament. (Do this without commentary help if you can.)

Find the best time to read and develop a program that suits you in terms of how much you are going to read.

Focus but don't get discouraged if you can't grasp everything at once. No one can! Read on, perhaps answers lay ahead.

Then start over again from Genesis to Revelation.

I say this because of what you have shared in all your posts previously.

God bless you.

Hi Michael.

Thanks for responding.

I'm glad you are able to have some relief and comfort.

Seventh-day Adventists is a denomination that differ in a few areas than most other denominations, the most notable is the Sabbath day.

Example.

They are distinguished by their observance of Saturday/Sabbath "Day"

The commandment for the Sabbath is found in Exodus 20"8-11.

Notice here in Exodus 31:13-18.

who it was written to.

"Speak thou also unto the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout YOUR GENERATIONS; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Wherefore the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

If we're applying sound hermeneutics we must consider who this is written to and coordinate this with other scriptures.

Example.

James 2:10. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Also, Colossians 2:16-17.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

See part 2.

Ec.3:11 "Heart of man" (2 of 2)

The first part of this post was establishing where our heart ought to be set. " Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.". (Col.3:2) For this reason we die to the world and sin so we may deal with the world set in our heart by God. God formed all hearts alike and tries their works. So we shall attend to what the Preacher is instructing us. "also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end." From the beginning to the end for our intent and purpose is Jesus Christ, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."(Re.21:6). So our heart is to be elevated as Jerusalem was. This new Jerusalem and new creation match. In the same manner the Parable of Jesus teaches us.(Matt.9:16) We are made new by our faith in his Son. "He hath made every thing beautiful in his time." This is the work of God."This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."( John 6:29) .

This being the case what we have to do with idols or for mammon? " Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings." Wrath of theLamb is one way of proving it. "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake." (Re.6:12) Prophet Zechariah refers to it as his feet. Compare it with finger of God. Egyptian sooth sayers named what Moses could do was by the finger of God.(Ex.8:19) The Angel of His presence made Jerusalem move up so who are holy who are unholy was made clear. in their fear we know those (Re.6:15) "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains" were same as in Is.2:21

Ec.3:11 "Heart of man" (1 of 2)

"He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."

"It shall come to pas in that day," and it is the sword reaching even unto the soul of the nation of Israel.Jeremiah refers to the same terror mentioned in the Book of Isaiah. " (Je.4:9-10) Isaiah has to say thus, " For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low."(Is.2:12-17) "And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day".

How does that work in reality? Prophet Zechariah gives us a clue."And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces." (Ze.12:3) Do we not hear how nations twist themselves into a moral knot by justifying their 'genocidal policies' pursued in Gaza? There is no moral equivalence they say. But God says,"the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day". To prove that we have Jerusalem lifted off its position by a violent action. "All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place." (Ze.14:10). How high it must be lifted up to be considered a heavenly place. 'This feet of the Lord' causes where His throne shall be and where his footstool ought to be. Ps.110:1 says that it is the footstool for his Son. The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." Note the expression,'thy footstool'. Isaiah quote tells the new position above the hills. nd it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."(2:2)

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives." (Ze.14:4).

Re.5:6 "The Lamb slain" (2 of 2)

Only the one who is worthy to break open the seals is the heart of God which explains Jesus Christ having a position on the right hand of the most high God. Heart of God is also a spiritual place 'heavenly places" So St Paul refers to it,"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ."(Ep.1:3) This, to continue with the analogy of the GPS tracker, is the GNSS network where we have the body soul and spirit as memorial for our accuracy. The 24 elders are not merely for your amusement so one day you give them names to prove your cleverness but our own safety. By setting your position elsewhere as the misguided sects teach Sabbath as one day to be observed are you setting it in Christ by faith? It is a day settled by man who has no stomach for truth. What is soteriology for him? It is like casting pearls before swine. He is risen and "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." (Col3:1-3). St Paul says he has no excuse to persist in a lie by his literalism. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse." (Ro.1:20)

So Christ is our soul so our tracking system follows the mystery of God, " Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:/ That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him./In whom also we have obtained an inheritance."(Ep.1:9-11)

The day decreed for the Son is tagged 'unto this day' is the same as 'in that day" a tag for the Father. So Jesus said," My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."( John 5:17) What is the work of God? John 6:28 Ec.3:11) It is set in the heart of man.

A correction

"In the mind of God eternity is in the 'Now' so it is trying to literally date the breaking of each seal. The action is to be treated as by "the soul" or the heart of God."

it should be read as

"In the mind of God eternity is in the 'Now' so trying to literally date the breaking of each seal is foolishness. The action is to be treated as by "the soul" or the heart of God,

Re.5:6 "The Lamb slain" (1 of 2)

The entire breaking open seven seals are set in the vision which is set up by God. It has a back page as it were and Daniel sums it us as thus:"Judgment was set, and the books were opened." (Dan.7:10) The same multitude we have in both. "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;"(Re.5:11) In the mind of God eternity is in the 'Now' so it is trying to literally date the breaking of each seal. The action is to be treated as by "the soul" or the heart of God. Prophet Ezekiel referring to the pride of the King of Tyrus says,"though thou set thine heart as the heart of God."(Ez.28:2). Heart is not an anatomical part but it is a spiritual space where soul of man can track truth just as GPS system. Heart from God draws its own inferences for body spirit and soul just as trilateration does from the Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) network; similarly heart can decipher the world without and its characteristics as the tracker can from the network determine latitude, longitude, elevation, and time. St Paul speaks of it,"Redeeming the time, because the days are evil," how we should conduct ourselves among the ungodly?(Ep.5:16). So man refusing to correct heresies fed to him by false shepherds may ever learn but never reach truth. For this reason God told Ezekiel how to deal with impudent stubborn Israel, " and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord God; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear."(Ez.3:11). King of Tyrus set himself, "though thou set thine heart as the heart of God" it is set in hell. "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me," (Re.22:11-12)

Is.2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."

Here we have the consequence of breaking the seven seals mentioned in Re.6:1 "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see." The four beasts know it already where does that rider on the white horse go to; similarly the 24 elders know the outcome for the new song gives us where they learnt it. It is not what any man could have sung by his own. "and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." The elders as a memorial in heaven learnt from God who set him as a token of the glorious body, of the church. The number 12x12x1000 is the Spirit's way of measuring the will of the Father in terms of the Son. A single measurement of the angel-man (Re.21:17)."And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."(Ro.14:1).

The mount Sion is the mountain of the Lord's house waiting to be established and when the Alpha and Omega says, "it is done" (Re.21:6) it shall be called Zion. These 'virgins' bear the name of the Father before they are established as God put a mark on Cain before he could found a city. "And he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."(Ge.4:17b). On the contrary God set His sign on the 144,000 and kept them on the mountain of God. Isaiah speaks of Zion similarly. "Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation."(Is.28:16)

These elders similarly kept as a memorial so this new song carries all the characteristics of God. His signature tune as it were.

Oases,

You know the truth, live accordingly, show your fruits; if you know you are planted by God be the branch with abundance of it; Leave me to do my tasks for the glory of my Savior.

Hello GiGi!! Please read my reply to S Spencer above.I thankyou for taking the time to reply to me it has help me greatly.My reply to him is meant for you too.I am following your direction and am a lot more settled.I have direction now.Again thankyou.May God be with you.Michael.

Good evening S. Spencer.

It seems that you would like to see more discussion concerning soteriology (study of salvation) on this forum. Perhaps you can start a discussion on this. I am sure there are people on here who may have some questions or would like to read posts that address this important topic. There are many important topics concerning our faith and doctrines that can be spoken of here. Soteriology is one such topic. And the Scriptures, especially the NT speaks to a variety of topics, not just soteriology. So should we here. I can see that the topic of soteriology is one you want to see more discussion on here, so I hope you will begin posts on this topic so people can respond to you.

Our purpose in this life as believers is to give glory to God in how we live and what we say, how we spend our time, and how we respond to the promptings of the Holy Spirit. Whether that be sharing the gospel with unbelievers, helping new believers to grow in their faith and knowledge of God, being supportive of those who request prayer by being an intercessor, contributing to the works of service needed in the body, or a wide number of other things the Holy Spirit desires for the church and for individuals.

I hope to remain open to whatever topics are brought up on this site. Some discussions I will enter into and others I will read and let the discussion continue among others without stepping in. But I usually pray over the topics brought up on here as I know that they speak to someone's need on here.

I hope you are doing well. I always am glad to read your posts. Thanks for sharing your concerns and I look forward to the discussions you will begin on soteriology.

Hello good sir.I am gratefull for your advice and directions.It has helped me to calm down and actually see where i'm going now.I have been consumed with my Bible study and thoughts on myself and my behaviour.It is a weight that i bear with a smile.Because i feel better it holds me accountable to myself and the Lord Jesus Christ i feel somewhat excited about this.You mentioned Biblical Hermenutics.A word i had never ever heard of.In saying that a bunch of videos from the Seventh Day Adventist Church just appeared in my Youtube feed.I listen and learn THANKYOU.To add to this i started to wonder if the Adventists were Users of the King James Bible.It follows that i was listening to an Adventist Women give a sermon and the first thing she said was i will just open my King James Bible and we will start.Question answered.Funny that!!.Saved me from asking the nice lady at an Adventist book shop where i had ordered a copy of Adventist Hermenutics for my reference.Might of embarresed my self and her.Again thank you very much.May God be with you.Michael.