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Saw it long ago and it is a good one. Alan Bates Haylie Mills act in it.

Yes, that's what I meant. The Devil/Satan is our enemy who walks around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The battleground is our souls.

What does the Bible say about, "The wearing of jewelry"

Did you know that can have the most grandest of titles over your name, and be the most sought after in your field.

As a preacher you can preach the greatest message, and be loved of all.

You can have degrees, and be skilled in writing, and be the most influential, and still have your name blotted out of the LAMBS book of life.

All those things are good, but unfortunately not good enough for our LORD.

My credentials are in heaven.

Last Part.

Conclusion

I pray that you will read for yourself, for Hell is not An Abstract the same as the Bible which is Living the True Word of God.

As you read the theory then comes the practical and in the practical, there is two option you are either a righteous man through the repentance at the cross or You're a sinner living in your sins in this world that is passing away with its Lust.

A Tree is Tree whether it is Still standing or fallen and where it falls there it lays.

Says the Preacher who was king over Jerusalem.

Part A.

Hi

First of all I believe the Bible is the word of God, it is true it is pure and without abomination

It is written in

Proverbs 8:7

7.For my mouth shall speak truth;

And wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8.All the words of my mouth are in righteousness.

There is nothing froward or perverse in them.

Hell is a real place and not an abstract and it was never created for man but for the devil and his fallen angels.

In the book of Ezekiel chapter 32, The Lord spoke to His prophet Ezekiel and gave him word of Judgment to bring to pharaoh king of Egypt.

And from verse 2 to 18 the judgment is issued to the king and all the land of Egypt

But at the start of Chapter 32:18,

Prophets Ezekiel receives the word of the Lord where he is informed to weep for Egypt and all its people and at the same time God revels Hell to us in this verse where Egypt is to be cast down to the depth of the earth. Egypt and famous nations which are going down to the pit.

As we continue to read, we see that those Egyptian will be placed among those killed by the sword and those famous nation such Assyria is there, The Elams, The endomites Etc.all who are killed by the sword.

In Verse 23

The Lord point this for us That in Hell there is(Recesses of the Pit,)

And the meaning of recesses is this

1.The depths or innermost part of something

2. a small space created by building part of a wall further back from the rest.

All this indicating apportion or section a cage a cell in hell where this people are held.

Another thing that stands out from this verse is that Those who are in hell they caused terror in the Land of the Living, again showing they are not living but are dead.

In Verse 24 the last part we see the wording are in continue present tense indication this action is still happing. And I will quote the last the part on this Verse. Which is in

Ezekeil 32:24

yet have they borne their shame with them that go down to the pit.

Conclusion

Where do I read all about John the Baptist.

Hope you are ok , I can guess why you have gone :) . I will miss you . Stay strong in the Truth and the love of God . See you one fine day , much love in Christ .

The battle is sure agianst ourselves as our own mind wants to take us out of the bible word. A carnal mind is sin abd death. Your own mind is your own worse enemy, never mind the devil. Your ownself can get you out of the bible and loose your salvation. Don't know where you get your gospel from? It is a very perverted Gospel what you preach and not a gospel that Paul preached.

Romans 8:[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Galations 5:17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Dors not cancel what Jesus said or what Paul says to sin no more. 1st John 1:8 is not at all saying "if we say we have no sin that we commit everyday we deceive ourselves. 1st John 1:8 is referring to 1st John 1:3-4 writing to people how to have fellowship with John to be called a Christian and not a sinner any more as all sin is of the devil period 1st John 3:8. When we come to Christ we where all sinners as all has come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23. John is giving out the plan of salvation how to be saved.

All means all not just one or two things in your life. Jesus never died for one sin or two things he died so all sin can be washed forgiven and forgotten.

Get out of get into verse 9 to confess your sin. If you want to be in verse 8 be my guess, you are going to roast, you are going to burn. Verse 9 tells me he is just and able to forgive all sin and NOT just not one or two things.

1st John 1:9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[10] If we say that we have not sinn((ed)), we make him a liar, and his word is not in us

According to the bible in 1st John 1:6, you are the liar as you claim salvation, you claim fellowship to be a brother of Jesus Christ, and yet you are still walking like the devil hand in hand with him. Obviously, you were told a lie believing you are walking with Jesus when in reality you are walking with the devil in sin.

1st John 1:6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness,((sin)) we lie, and do not the truth:

[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

We are to be dead unto sin once Romans 6:10-12. Jesus died unto sin once and not over and over to sin and repent as you are calling Jesus a liar and putting him to an open shame. No sinner can make heaven no matter how you slice it as all sin is of the devil.

Thank you! The seed that was sown among thorns never brought fruit to perfection also. Also, St. John 1 said we have received of his fulness. I thought I was the only one that ran across the scriptures you gave. It is easier life to live under the cross and our failures than to follow the gospel be transformed by the Holy Spirit and live under His direction. The keep continuing in failure is really no better than the old law. Hebrews 10:1 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect".

I hope you have a nice week brother Spencer. I have been thinking a good part of the day of the relationship between the sacredness of life and it's relationship in the Church with a present reign in Christ and non-resistance in doctrine. One small thought is everything belongs to God. So Paul says greet the brethren with a holy salutation, we can prove love this way, even a little bit on an online forum.

God bless you.

Hi Momsage. About your concern on "no matching KJB text": if a contributor writes out a Scripture reference that this KJBO Site engine doesn't recognize, then you will get that warning. Quite some time ago, KJBO put out information on what were the acceptable ways of writing Scripture (sorry, I can't find that information now). But in the case of " 2nd Cor 6:[14]", this wouldn't be acceptable because of the brackets used. I always spell the verse/passage out in full (even though it takes up more character spaces), e.g. 2 Corinthians 6:14, as I know the reader can just hover the pointer over the reference to see it rather than go to the Bible verse. Hope that helps sort this out for you.

Wikipedia article for Michael, and at the Protestant section it states:

Citing Hengstenberg, John A. Lees, in International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, states: "The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the pre-incarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the 'child' and the archangel in Rev 12:1-17, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel." Charles Haddon Spurgeon, a Trinitarian, stated that Jesus is Michael "the only Archangel", and that he is God the Son, and co-equal to the Father. In Spurgeon's view, "archangel" means "head of the angels" rather than "head angel," and is a title similar to "Prince or Leader of the host." ( Daniel 8:11)

John Wesley: "Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ."

John Gill:"and is no other than Christ the Son of God, an uncreated angel who is 'one' or the first of the chief princes."

The early Protestant leaders believed this.

Thanks responding Carleton.

I will touch base with you this weekend.

God bless.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8 KJV.

I'm sorry, my mistake, but I don't seem to be able to say what I mean clearly. I understand and agree with what you are teaching in these comments wholeheartedly. What I was asking you was, why in your comments when the 2 Corinthians verses are highlighted in red so you can place your cursor on it and it gives you the whole verse the link doesn't give the verse but says there's no text of those verses in the KJB which, of course, they are.. Maybe you can't see it but even in this last reply it does it. I know you don't mean for it to, but it's basically saying those verses are not in the KJB. I won't bother you anymore with this. I do admire what you have said in your comments that these people in the world are evil and we are to keep ourselves separate from them. Thank you for your patience. :)

Thank you Jema for your reply. On the Isaiah 13:12 reference, we would find no agreement at all, as the verse, when understood naturally & in context refers to the scarcity of human life during those times of the LORD's intervention & destruction. If you are finding Jesus in there (i.e. "I will MAKE A MAN more precious than fine gold"), then that would have to be a personal discovery rather than a textual truth.

And likewise with Colossians 3:10, the text doesn't allow for such an interpretation (i.e. of God creating Jesus). Paul is writing about two 'persons': the new man (i.e. the human being renewed by the Spirit), and of God (Who creates in His (God's) Image). So, it doesn't speak of Jesus, but of man who was once created in God's Image (Adam), & then after the fall, that image was marred, which necessitated a re-creation of that image in man. And to do this, man had to be changed inwardly (becoming a 'new man'), who now is being "renewed in knowledge" into the image of the One (God) Who created him (man). Yes, we do have 2 Corinthians 4:4 & Colossians 1:15 to support your use of 'image' as to Christ's 'creation', but we also have Genesis 1:27 & 1 Corinthians 11:7 to support man being made in God's Image. But to put Christ in Colossians 3:10 would violate the point of that verse which is directed to man's renewal.

Lastly, you wrote that you "don't really relish the idea of a big debate". That puzzled me since you initiated those questions for our responses. If we gave responses without 'debate/discussion', then the whole exercise would be entirely fruitless & pointless. So maybe you just wanted to share your understanding of those verses, but not willing to defend your beliefs; and these matters (of Christ's Divinity, eternal judgement, etc.) are vital to Christians & also in the preaching of the Gospel. Without these fundamentals, we have no Gospel - we have no message of liberty & hope to share with a lost world.

I attached a link to a source but this site blocked it. No external links allowed.

The Protestant church called Seventh Day Adventists teach on this point. Go to: Seventh Day Adventist Church Biblical Research Institute. Search on the Adventist website: is Michael another name for Jesus. Dated February 13, 2012.

The Seventh Day Adventists chose this name because they keep the seventh day sabbath. The Adventists eagerly look forward the soon return of Christ. Additionally, they teach the three angels message from Revelation. "Worship God, Babylon has fallen, come out of her, my people".

Amen! If it wasn't possible, Jesus would've never said it.

You are not understanding what I am saying. Jesus ETERNAL. He is the WORD. Jesus created everything. Jesus is God.Jesus is not a created being. Since Jesus is eternal, what was he doing before born? Think about it. What was he doing?

His name was Michael the archangel. The leader of the angels. God was living among his creation, the angels.

How is that far fetched?

Hello,again



Shabbat Keeper, where in the Bible does it say that Michael the archangel is God?

YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.

James, 1:25- But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed

James, 2:14- What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James, 2:18- 18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

James, 2:22-Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

James, 2:24 -Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James, 2:26-For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

EVENTUALLY

If works are not present after knowing the truth in the word of God and accepting it, it is because your faith is false.

(Faith = believe)in the word of God and put it into(practice = works)so the works come automatically otherwise it is faith does not come from God and this faith cannot save you!!

THE FAITH

GRACE

REPENTANCE

PRACTICE GOOD WORKS

BAD WORK = SIN

GOOD WORK = SAVE AND SANCTIFY

It is good works that demonstrate that a person is saved

You cannot(BELIEVE = FAITH)in the word without

(PRACTICE = WORK)and you cannot(PRACTICE = WORK)without having heard, received and believed in the word.

Dear Shabbat Keeper,

Again, I do not think that believing that a person lives on without a body after death necessarily leads to spiritism. That is an

erroneous assumption.

I do not think, though, that our dead loved ones in Christ are watching over us and involved in our life here. I believe that they

are with the Lord and that involves not knowing what is happening here on earth. That is what the Scripture is talking about

when it says that the dead know nothing-that is, nothing of the goings on of this world and life.

Eternal life is received when we believe and when we die, only our body dies. But eternal life is a completely different kind of life

that earthly life. it is a completely different realm of existence, of which we cannot pierce the veil in this life, nor can those

believers who have passed from death into life pierce the veil between eternal life and earthly life.

I guess we will just have to accept that we differ in our views on this and we will find out when we die what is true.

Sorry, I should of proof read that.

So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will (abtain) immortality.

Not (abstain) like in the previous post.

Pay attention to what follows to fully understand all of the words of the Lord who teaches us in righteousness and mercy through his son Jesus Christ.

ATTENTION: Beware of false teachers, pastors, prophets.

HERE IS THE CONTROVERSIAL VERSE

Ephesians, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

(it is by grace that you are saved);

FOR WHAT

Because it is used without taking into consideration the entire Bible.

LET'S START, FOLLOW ME WITH YOUR BIBLE!

Titus, 1:16 They professthat they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Ephesians, 2:10- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians, 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hebrews, 13:21 - 21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Titus, 2:7- In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing

Colossians, 1:10- That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

WARNING

Romans, 13:12 -The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the worksof darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Ephesians, 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works ofdarkness, but rather reprove them.

GOD JUDGES WHAT????

1 Peter, 1:17- 17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans, 2:6 - Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.

Dear Shabbat Keeper,

I have never advocated communicating with the dead. But I do believe that the Bible teaches what Jesus said that those who believe in Him, though one dies, will live forever.

God is a spirit and we worship him in spirit and in truth.

Not justified to remain a sinner, we are justified to be the image of the Son of God. If I am the image of the Son of God Jesus Christ, how can I be the image of the devil st the sametime? You have to ve dead to one sin (the devil) to be alive unto another righteousnes (Jesus Christ). Jesus never died to establish a new type of sinner called a Christian sinner, God forbid. Jesus died so sinners can be Christians can be holy.

Romans 3:24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of -->sins that are past, being now