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Revelation 7:4-8 12x12=144 specificly of tribes of Israel, Revelation 14:4-5

However Revelation 7:9-17 gives hope to all others

Hope that's helpful.

Hi Adam, I want to start off by apologizing to you, i sounded confrontational, and a little bit of a smart mouth, I did not choose my chose my words wisely, and I am sorry for that. I must of misunderstood the question, I thought they was asking what the curse was, and why he was cursed, and I have only been studying for about 6months now, and don't have much education, I will have to look for that website that I got that information from, I will send it to you and Chris, and I could be wrong, I don't want to discourage, or mislead anyone, I never meant for you to think, that I was saying the KJV isn't the word of the Most High GOD, I just thought that they left out some of the words, and if so, why? For example, the left out the book of Enoch, and that should of definitely been in the bible, because Enoch was face to face with GOD, and walked with GOD, and didn't suffer death for

GOD took him, and like I say, If I'm wrong about it, I'm sorry and I never meant to mislead anyone, I just want people to look and make sure for themselves, don't believe it just because that's what you were told to believe, because when it's all said and done, we will all stand before the LORD. May GOD bless, you and yours brother Adam and Brother Chris.

Luke 4:2 He fasted, 40 days was hungry, yet it's spiritual, some say supernatural

Deuteronomy 8:3 also HE quoted scripture,

Hopefully that's helpful.

Song of Solomon 2:3, Song of Solomon 4:1-15, Hebrews 13:4

It does NOT say a woman isn't allowed to wear pants. Deuteronomy 22:5, Deuteronomy 12:32

Remember John 3:16, Matthew 25:31-46,

it's talking about dressing to resemblance appearance as opposite sex.

At about 5 or 6 years old, I was told by a neighbor man, I should wear a dress, I wore a dress & the "monster" raped me both ways. I went unconscious more than once & was held by a heavenly being after I asked to die. The heavenly being comforted me he was wearing a white robe. I had a conversation as an adult outside of my young self, I guess in the heaven. Then I was back.

Later I was in a church Sunday school that I was made to wear a dress, (by step mother) the boys would lay on the floor to see my undergarments. It was emotionally painful & I would cry not to wear a dress. Even as a young adult men have been dishonorable when I wear shirts or dresses. I could use it for my gain!! However I rarely wear s dress & when I do, heads turn. I find it much more modest to wear pants. The husbands at the churches, stores etc don't stare as much when I wear pants.

Pants aren't what disqualify someone from heaven.

Part II OR: Baptism Of Repentance For The Remission Of sins?:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':

Link

Precious friend, 'rather' than twisting a few fragmented, out-of-context, Misunderstood 'pet' verses of Many 'traditional' religious sects, "God Has A Better Way, 'Approved' Unto HIM!" Of Course, 'Not' Overlooking Neither 1 Corinthians 12:13, Nor Ephesians 4:5 For "The Body Of CHRIST," Today, Amen?:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

Link

Of course if one is 'not yet' saved Correctly, Under GRACE, Today, then there Is 'No Sense' discussing water baptism at all! 1 Corinthians 2:14 Amen?

The Bible says the earth is round in Isaiah 40:22. God bless...

In the verse five it states perfectly that women are not to wear parents. It also says who does so would be the abomination, the person would be not the pants. I would not want to be the abomination to God. But, I have worked outside in the garden, moving wood piles and etc. in a skirt and I have done so for almost ten years. I still do not have a problem with it. God has always made a way to get around obstacles, but it takes faith on our end to believe He will go through with it. God made a way for me to wear a skirt and moved obstacles, but I also had to have the faith to believe He would move the obstacles. When serving God there will be things we have to sacrifice. Sometimes the sacrifice seems to big. But I have a question I would like for you to question yourself with. Is giving up pants more sacrificial than Jesus Christ laying down His life for you to be saved for all of eternity? Is it more important to you than your walk with God?

I am looking more for chapter: purpose and Big Idea

Precious friend, 1) Respectfully 'disagree," As Scripture Clearly teaches, Under God's GRACE, For The 'Body Of CHRIST'!:



"...we walk BY FAITH, 'Not' by sight..." 2Co 5:7 Thus, all "signs, experiences, dreams, visions, looking for antichrist, great tribulation prophecies, etc. Are 'Not' for us. However, When This "GRACE Is 'Ended' At our Great GRACE Departure," 1Th 4:17; 1Co 15:51-54...

...THEN God Will 'Resume HIS Prophetic Program,' For 'ISRAEL And the nations, Under Judgment/Great Tribulation/Wrath, And 'ALL the SIGHT signs' and Matthew 22 and 24, Will Then 'Be Applicable!'

2) Today, Under GRACE, it Is 'UNbelief' that "keeps us from Heaven" = 'Eligible For Heaven'?:

God's 'Simple' Will: Linkquot;

Hi Tamolyn First thing God told Adam and Eve in the beginning to be fruit full and replenish the earth, so sex in Gods eyes and in the right order husband and wife is between those two. Therefore its there choice, what man or religion has done with act is not Gods fault. To the pure all things are pure to the defiled nothing is pure.

Precious friend, sorry to hear about your fear and tribulation; I will pray for you. God has not given HIS 'children' "the spirit of fear, But Of PEACE, and a 'Sound' mind!" ( 2 Timothy 1:7 ).

Please make sure you know The Scriptures {in the "link" below...} 'Before' you go to the "death you Are Hoping For," As God LOVES you!:

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

In Luke 4 and 4. What does it mean you cannot live on bread alone?

REPENT OF DISBELIEF, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS!

Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Imo, This awesome and often quoted verse of the great apostle Peter, has been mis-preached and misinterpreted throughout the ages.

When Peter said unto them, REPENT...He was not speaking to our daily sins, but to the unforgivable sin of Disbelief in the Gospel John 3:16, but the Religious Judaizers try to tell us we must repent of our sins...before we can be saved.

Then many try to tie water baptism into the act of repentance, saying we must be water baptize before we can be saved.

Imo, the words "for the remission of sins," were taken out of context, because again, the only thing that can remit our sins is, repenting of our Disbelief, and Believing IN the Gospel. Imo, Peter actually was saying, "Repent for the remission of sins."

Imo, Acts 2:38 would have been much better understood, and served God and the world better if it were interpreted as:

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent for the remission of sins, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Imo, Repentance of Disbelief-SAVES us, and Water Baptism-Empowers and helps us to Repent of our sins.

Would appreciate any Good and Godly comments on this, esp. Bro Dan. Thank You. :)

Baptism is for everybody. Jesus died for us; He is the salvation plan. A lot of people tend to overlook some parts of the scriptures or even twist what they say so it will fit their religion. But, how it is written is how we are suppose to do it. In Acts 2 and verse 38 it says: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. If you read it carefully it says specifically everyone. The people who were in the upper room when the day of Pentecost came, there were more than just Jews. In verse 8 it says: And they were amazed and marvelled saying one to another, Behold, are not all of these which speak Galileans? And in verse 9, 10, and 11; it goes on to say more people who were there speaking in other tonuges/Holy Ghost. So, its not just for the Jews, its for everybody. Did I make sense?

I am trying to memorize the whole chapter of Acts 2 by December 20. What would be the easiest way to do it?

where does the Bible say the earth is flat?

What is the parable of the unjust steward about? I have one example that may seem personal, but , an example? Jesus has told us that the world would hate those who are not of the world and who follow Him. On the heels of this he tells us to love our enemies! A true disciple who lives this life in Christ , would soon understand the words He speaks are true. That we would experience this unequivocal message.

As stewards of the kingdom, as representatives, saints as it were, we might find ourselves in certain situations in this life that would require us making friends of the mammon? While we are doing His will, sometimes we may need to adjust into the things of this world. Sort of a check and balance? Being a faithful servant will require us to forgive, so that we might be forgiven. Knowing how to forgive gracefully ,, so that we too will still have a place in this world. Doing His will accordingly and still abide in His grace, in His love! I have written this too you all , for your input. In Christ FES

1 Ti.othy 3:16 God wS manifest in the flesh. Amen

Richard, my answer NO! Jeremiah 17:5, Jeremiah 17:5-8,

Chis & Richard, to add if I may.

1 Samuel 8:5

1 Samuel 8:7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18, 1 Samuel 8:20

We do not have a King over us, except The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY we are a Christian nation. Here in the United States of America, We are one nation under GOD. "We the People" we are the "People" we're the only Nation on Earth that was & is established under the Power & respect of GOD ALMIGHTY. Even the California Constitution, Preamble says: "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure & perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution.'"

We need to remember & not forget, we are not, nor have we been a nation that crys to failed & flawed man to be "our king" no, we are the people & Our Declaration of Independence of The United States of America states: "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, & to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate & equal stations to which the Laws of Nature & of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator... "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, & to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles..." "...experience has shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." "But when a long train of abuses & usurpations...Duty to throw off such.."

Wow. I've read the comments and everyone has a different opinion on what is and isn't.

I get a headache trying to figure out what is and isn't. All I can do is pray that Our Father and His Son, Jesus will keep me from being deceived. I know we're not supposed to be afraid, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. Satan is the great deceiver and I'm a stupid person, very gullible. I hope I'm dead before the SHTF.

Hello Brother Chris Thank you. There remains a distinction between pacifism and non- resistance on the side of the Word. Even certain Governments may try to understand this line, why?

I still don't understand. Who are the 144,000?

Hi Richard Something to keep in mind Romans 13 is written to the church of God, so the powers that be are the powers within the church I.E. leadership. It doesn't say obey the any government, the ordained powers are the powers ordained within the church of the body of Christ.

Acts 16:33, in context Acts 16:27-34

Acts 16:15 in context Acts 16:14-15

Acts 18:8

1 Corinthians 3:3

John 13:35

Hebrews 10:25

James 1:27

Please note the scriptures I've listed & pray about what I'm about to say. I once witnessed 2 children who asked to be baptized by the Lead Pastor, they were skipped over, another Pastor replaced the old one & once again those 2 children a boy & a girl asked to be baptized. That Pastor also asked them questions on the Bible, doctrine, taught them a special class, privately then decided not to Baptize them. In a short time other youths were baptized & they were skipped over again. I watched as those two children served in the church, many days & even during the celebration of the others getting baptized. Whom was more like Christ? Later those 2 children were baptized without classes & with people who barely knew them. Please pray for wisdom.

Matthew 19:14

If you judge to strictly remember :

Matthew 7:2 , Matthew 7:1-5

Why is beautiful sister, English Sacha leaving?

Hello Richard. Like most things in life & people we meet, trust & respect go hand-in-hand when the object is deserving of them. Personally, I don't believe any government is worthy of our complete trust, simply because they are composed of generally unregenerate folk who uphold ungodly standards. Even those who may be believers within the govt. & may be doing their best to bring about changes, ultimately have to submit to their party's policies. And those parties that uphold (some) biblical values, are often too 'minor' to defeat the majority (people's) vote.

Yet, the Apostle Paul tells us in Romans chapter 13, that we have to be subject to the govt., as one who administers the Law, protects society, & of course, receives our taxes. How that Law is made & applied, or how well society is protected, & how well our taxes are used, has to be the determination of the individual at the ballot box. So, my understanding of Paul's reference to this, knowing that the govt. that he was subject to was one of the worst in history for the God-fearing, is to still follow the laws & requirements that they put on society. And generally, they do a fairly good job, but from a biblical perspective, not so well.

Then the question: can we trust our govts. to do the right thing when our faith & Christian way of life are being eroded? We can never trust anyone on Earth in that regard, for none seek after the Will & honour of God, but after their own vain imaginations trying to please as many as they can. We can extend to them our trust, respect & obedience as far as our faith in God & knowledge of His Word allow us - but if that line that we set is crossed, I don't believe that they should be obeyed or respected & are to be treated as enemies of the Cross, with our obedience first to the Lord, & being ready to suffer under their hands.

The spirit of the lord went over Mary

And caused Mary a virgin to conceive

And he was to be called Jesus

Jesus came thru the tribe of Judah

The order of Melchizedek

Who was Melchizedek

He had no father or mother and was a king and a priest and Abraham even tithed to him

He had no beginning or end

The only one who fits that description is Jesus

Just my thought

But the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive

God the father did the son and god the holy spiritual are one and the same

Jesus refers to god the father

So possible that Jesus did not share and genes with Mary and definitely not Joseph

How could Mary give birth to a son if all women have xx genes and men xy genes

The male determines sex of the child

If he gives x gene it's a girl

If he gives y gene it's a boy

So how could Mary give birth to a boy

Both Mary and Joseph were of the tribe Judah

Am I questioning god

No

I am a Christian

Mary was very special

Yes she was a virgin

Yes she gave birth to Jesus

Jesus came to earth as gif in the body of a human

Fully god and fully man

And came from heaven so he knew heaven like none other

John 1 and verse 1

I'm in beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god

I use only King James Version of Bible

Other versions change words and words change meaning

So Jesus Is god

Only after birth of Jesus did Mary and

Joseph have children

So in one way that makes them half brothers

But again maybe they did not share any genes

Remember I am just thinking

My ignorance is much greater than my knowledge

I believe the king James of Bible is inerrant

Please just take my words with a grain of salt

Jesus was the only perfect one to walk the face of the earth

Sacrificed himself for our sins

The truth remains simple

Jesus sacrificed himself

For our sins

We are all sinners and in need of salvation

We all must know that

Ask Jesus/god

For forgiveness and repent of our sins

Ask for that free gift if salvation

He will and doeS

As a farewell , the congregation that Sacha and I belong to , does not baptize children , practises full immersion , does not baptize anyone who hasn't read and understood at least the basic principles of salvation , we also ask candidates random Bible questions that they wouldn't be able to answer if they hadn't read it e.g. who is Samuels mother ? All members male and female study the Bible daily and are expected to grow in understanding . Our Sisters are at least as knowledgeable as our Brothers . We have ladies who have been teaching the Truth , through correspondence courses for forty years . They have brought literally thousands of men and women to the point of baptism . Christ died for all of us , none of us are under the law , there is only one Holy Spirit , not a version for men and a different one for women . Our Sisters cover their heads and are silent during services but they have a voice . They also respect their husbands as head of the house and the brethren in the congregation but they have a voice . We have single Sisters who are the only ones in their family who are saved . They respect the Brethren but are at liberty to do as they please when not in Church . We are all guided by God's words and by Christ's and to a lesser but not insignificant degree , by the apostles writings . I shouldn't have to quote scripture here , so I won't . May God bless you all and may He bring you all very much closer to Him . Hope to see you in the New Jerusalem .

Thank you for your reply, Free. I intentionally left out the portion that you quoted, since it didn't apply to the creation order that I was dealing with, in response to Jewell.

The Scripture you gave speaks about the mutual dependence that both man & woman have with each other, by God's appointment. Lest man assumes an air of superiority over the woman, the instruction here is, 'Not so, as both are dependent on each other & the woman should never feel inferior in this Divine Order'. And so this instruction is in the light of a woman's head covering when in prayer or giving prophecy. But when it comes to Church leadership & teaching, the responsibility rests with the man & not the woman (without the man overlording his position over women). Let us not allow modern societal ideas & strides towards man-devised equality, to affect biblical standards for personal & corporate conduct.