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Hi Adam,

In 1 John 4:18, where it says "He that feareth is not made perfect in love," it would seem as though it is saying that it is bad to fear.

Here is my understanding of this verse:

He says there is no fear in love; but perfect love (that is, love brought to completion), casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect, or complete in love.

He's talking about the motive for obeying God. Some people obey God because they are afraid. Those who have the Spirit of God, and have matured and understand about the love of God, they do things because they love Him. It's like Jesus said in John 14:15 if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

In Luke 12:5, if we look at it with Verse 4, Jesus is showing contrast. All man can do to you is kill you, physically put you to death. And He's following this line of hypocrisy. We act a certain way so that we don't get rejected. We act a certain way so that we don't suffer the consequences.



Even as a Christian, sometimes we compromise with nonbelievers because we have a fear and a concern whether they are going to reject us or receive us. Jesus said all you need to do is fear God. That is the only one you need to fear.

I hope this helps. God bless!!!

Dear Richard,

I have not written about LOVE, so go right ahead and write of it! I was debating between the two for "L" but it seems that the Spirit has caused me to think on how He is life over the past few days, so I went with that lead

Good to hear from you, Richard. I pray that your health is being renewed after your BIG DEAL you suffered recently. I am so glad you received the right treatment for that illness and that you returned home. How is your job going?

I have been here, but have not felt very led to share much in recent weeks. I check in daily to read posts and consider what is being said here.

Also, my sister in law, (husband's sister) is into the ancestry thing. I have not been. But she recently found that my husband's family is related to Elvis. Which is really funny because since I first met my husband I noticed resemblances in expressions as well as some facial resemblance. So I went online to find out how this relationship was brought about. Turns out that My husband's dad and Elvis were 4th cousins, going back to a common great, great grandfather on both maternal sides.

From that I have been researching the lines of my husband's families back to Normandy with William the Conqueror. Not related to him, but fought with him in the Conquest, were friends with him, served in his and other courts of Kings and that William the Conqueror awarded earldoms and baronages to many who fought with him and came from Normandy with him as a result. So many of my husband's ancestors were Earls, Barons, and Knights. Earls and Barons (Dukes and Lords) served in the Parliament in the House of Lords representing their fief or section of the county their manors were. One even was one of the signers of the Magna Carta. So I researched this to refresh my learning.

Then I researched how and when they came to America. Found out that many of ancestors left England in the early 1600's to settle the new colonies. Many of them were the founding settlers.

Now that you have reappeared on this forum as it were I suppose I could ask if the love of God was touched upon yet. I could try to make a stab at that in the next day or two although I'm sure your comments would be more complete than mine...

Hello, I'd like to seek input from fellow believers on these 2 verses:

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18 KJV

To me this seems to make fear seem bad, and weak, like a character flaw if you have fear. However, the next fears says to fear God.

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." Luke 12:5 KJV

The first one says someone that fears is not made perfect in love, but the other one says to fear God.

How do I reconcile these 2 verses? Thank you to anyone who replies.

Lee the Follower:

Before you can be a doer of the WORD, you first have to be a hearer of the WORD.

You didn't understand what I said, because you were not a hearer of the word.

You and Christ were raised as ONE FLESH, a new creation.

Your the body, he's the LIFE and FAITH of the BODY, the DOER of the WORD is Christ, the WORD, you the body of the words that does works BY the WORD.

Ezekiel 36:27 I (the LIFE and FAITH) will put my spirit IN YOU (my body) and CAUSE YOU (my body) to WALK in my statutes, and keep my judgements and DO THEM.

Cease from your works (of your carnal mind, YOU DIED on the cross, only the NEW CREATION, you and Christ as ONE FLESH exist) and come into the sabbath rest, all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Faith without works is DEAD, but it's NOT YOUR faith and it's not your works: but the faith and works of CHRIST IN YOU, the new creation, by the resurrection of Christ.

God Bless YOU!

Ronald Whittemore

The disciples showed JESUS the buildings of the Temple.(Oh how great,admirable,were the stones of the Temple!)JESUS said:See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here ONE stone upon another,that shall not be thrown down.

Jesus left His disciples disappointed with His answer,evidently.

What JESUS prophesied LITERALLY was fulfilled,the Temple was destroyed in 70AD,and Israel was banned from their land and scattered around the world for around 1878 years,from year 70AD to 1948AD,more than 100K died under the Romans's attack.

Israel was punished severely from year 70AD until 1948AD, they suffered severe and great punishments in LITERAL fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:15-68, so 53 verses of severe chastisements and curses.Take a look.The WORD IS GOD,self executing.

After JESUS went to the Mount of Olives,the disciples privately asked Him two important things:

1-What shall be the sign of thy coming?

2-and of the END of the world?(the current Devil's world)

The testimomy of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.He LISTED several events linked(1st)to His coming;(2nd)to the END of this current Devil's world.

JESUS LISTED SEVERAL EVENTS, as follow: Matthew 24:4-8:

4-Take heed that no man deceive you;(first concerns of JESUS).

5- Many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ;and shall deceive many;

(Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb,actually a false lamb,a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR:- John 5:v.43 combined with Revelation 13:v.11-18)

6-And ye shall hear of WARS and RUMOURS of WARS;see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.

7-NATION shall rise against NATION,and kingdom against kingdom(G7,and G20,EU,UNO, among others Entities shall be DISSOLVED from now on?)

-there shall be famines;

-and pestilences;

-and earthquakes in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The WORST is yet to come as is written in Matt.24:15-25

Get ready

Well spoken, Jema.

In this new life we have in Christ we serve God, not our sinful nature. This is the ideal. and we are to press in the achieve this ideal as we desire to walk by the Spirit of God who lives in us and is stronger in us than any in the world or even our own sinful nature. When we get out of step with the Spirit by grieving, neglecting, denying, not seeing to be filled up with Him, we begin to serve our sinful nature. We ought to take this instruction in Gal. 5:16-26 seriously and greatly desire to conform to what God is speaking to us through Paul.

I once wrote a song on this "walking by the Spirit" for a VBS session. I have misplaced it. I wish I had it handy to share here. I remember parts of it with the melody, and what I do remember lifts me up and encourages me to be determined to walk according to the Spirit for the glory, honor, and praise of God.

I hope you have a great day today, Jema. Always good to hear from you on here.

God is Life

Part 2

In God's Essence, Life is His natural state of being. In our life her, which is our natural state of being, the life we have is derived from God, so we should be thankful for each day of life He grants us, rather that He wills for our life to continue from when He started it ---years ago. Our spiritual life is also derived from God through the Holy Spirit, who gives it, Jesus who gives it, and the Father who gives it. We should be ever thankful for having begun this life in us through the regeneration of the Spirit and the washing of the Word and that He will continue this spiritual life eternally. It too is a derived life, being graciously bestowed on us by our God who loves us so. But this spiritual life is supernatural to us, as it goes above and beyond our natural life her in time. This life is not supernatural for God because He is all of life essentially.

Those without faith in our Lord also will live forever after the resurrection of our bodies, but this life is equated with eternal death or the second death as Rev. 20:14 calls the lake of fire judgment of God. This judgement is death, though a person is alive eternally in a state of being dead to God away from His presence, goodness, grace, and mercy; without joy, contentment, nor anything we associate with living a life full of goodness.

God is the author of all life, but no one authored God into life. He is unique in this way from all other beings. I was thinking on this the last few days. I think of how we have attempted to displace God from the generation of life. First is came with the working of conception prevention, then with abortion. And then it jumped to manipulating conception through artificial means, then to embryonic transplantation, then to attempts to clone a human, and now scientists are working on creating organs from stem cells for transplantation. Scientists are at work with gene splicing, gene modification, genome isolation and experimentation transhuman.

Awesome post , I do sometimes forget that everything is done , finished , completed by God through His Son . I'm still living by the sight of my eyes :) . Thank you for reminding me not to !

Bonnergy:

God was right there when Adam and Eve ate the FRUIT.

What was that single TREE?

The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

So when they ate the FUITH that were GIVEN KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL.

God himself placed Satan there in the garden to CAUSE Adam and Eve to partake of the FRUIT.

Why was this so important for them to consume the fruit of the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

God word tells why it was so important.

Genesis 3:22 ....behold they have BECOME LIKE ONE US, to KNOW good and evil....

Genesis 1:27 ... so created he them in his OWN IMAGE .....

You CAN NOT be the IMAGE of GOD without having the KNOWLEDGE of God, good and evil.

Man's teaching distort the teachings of God's word, man was never made perfect in the beginning.

Romans 8:29 For man was MADE subject to vanity.

Man only became perfect, when He and Christ were RAISED as ONE FLESH, at Christ's resurrection.

God BLESS YOU!

Brother Lee, the follower

The Bible is your safe guide. "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1John2:27) God is a Spirit and by the anointing received you believe the Spirit holds a candle so you may justly divide the word comparing spiritual with spiritual. "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly."(Pr.20:27) Belly is with reference to truth written in your inward being.

For example the word of God warns, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."(1 Co.15:50). The risen Christ also tells you to take up your cross and follow him and learn of him. An overcomer is one who shall sit with him, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."(Re.3:21) There are many instances of those who began well but "(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ."(Ph.3:18)

Hello Friends, today I wish to keep the conflict in Israel/Gaza in my prayers especially ass it seems that things will escalate more over the next week. I pray that civilians in each area get to safety.

To continue in my study on Who God truly is I move on to "L" and meditate on God as being LIFE.

God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14 as "I AM WHO I AM" which speaks to His self-existence. He does not derive His existence from any other, nor did He ever begin to exist at any time, nor will He ever not exit. This is impossible for Him.

When He calls Himself "I AM, it is perhaps one of the profoundest statement we can know. HE IS!

He is clearly stating that He exists, o if, and, or buts about it. He has always existed, and will exist forever.

John 1:4 says that Life is in God. He is the source of all life. Because He is the Life. john 11:25 Jesus calls Himself the Resurrection and the Life. John 5:26 Jesus says that He has Life within Himself just as the Father has life within Himself. Thus saying that He is God , just as the Father is God. John 6:63 Jesus says that the Spirit gives life, affirming that the Spirit is God. And with these statements Jesus is saying that within the Godhead there are three who together gives life since they are Life itself. Nothing comes into existence without being created by God and it is He who give any creature life. In John 6:63.



God made us. Each person of the Godhead is involved in giving us life because they are Life itself, as Jesus says in John 14:6 when He says that He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Romans 5:10 speaks of how we are saved through the life of Christ. By the power of God's everlasting life, Jesus' body was resurrected from the dead and lives forever. This is how we receive salvation. Because He lives, we will live. And since all people ever created receive their natural life from God, those who are chosen by God to be saved, receive their spiritual life from God as well. see part 2

Hi Jaell,

Just a few things, I am sorry you feel you have been lied to, there are different interpretations out there. If we study Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 together it helps.

I have found when studying the Bible, we should not start with a preconceived idea, it is easy to see Scriptures that fit a picture we have painted in our mind rather than letting the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit reveal the true meaning.

First, Jesus's death and resurrection were hidden from them, Luke 18:31-34. Even after he was crucified, they were distraught and did not understand the fact that he was killed. John 16:16-20 and we have Luke 24:4-6. Not knowing Jesus was going to die would they be asking Jesus about His second coming?

Is all of Matthew 24 about the end time, many combined it with other prophecies to create a picture of the end time. Some of it is obviously about Jesus's second coming but much of it was to prepare them for what they were to endure up to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. False prophets we see there were many before 70 AD, Acts 21:36-38 Acts 8:9 and others. If we look at history there were wars, earthquakes, and famine, Acts 7:11 and Acts 11:28.

Many put Matt. 24:15 and Mark 13:14 at the end time with an antichrist, should we not consider what Luke wrote about the same thing, Luke 21:20 that history has recorded?

One other thing why would Jesus say to pray their flee would not be on a Sabbath day? Today would not be a problem with the transportation we have. Back then the gates of Jerusalem would be locked and would be hard to get out and it would take days to get clear, with a pace of 2.5 mph.

I am with you, we sleep in the grave until resurrection the first of those who are chosen and faithful, Rev. 17:14 at Jesus's second coming and the second, the rest of the dead at the white throne judgment/the sheep and the goats and those whose names are not in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:15.

God bless,

RLW

Lee the Follower:

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God is ALL ABOUT WHAT GOD HAS DONE.

By his words we are BORN AGAIN into the KINGDOM of GOD.

We were not there with him when he walked in the flesh 2000 years ago.

So, he takes us through those days, by studying his words, as if we were there, so we can come to the TRUTH of his works on the cross.

The disciples walked with him every day for 3 1/2 years and never understood a word he said.

We are no different today, because his words are veiled in symbols and parables we can not see what he is saying to us.

He told his disciples, after he arose, that he would leave and send the spirit of truth to them, then they would understand all things.

We only come to truth by studying his words and letting the spirit of truth tell us what they mean.

This is a growth process.

As we study we are faced with truths, that man has taught, that don't align with the word of God.

Now since God word says that man will believe other men, before he believes God, we have to rightly divide his word.

Most are lazy and don't want to spend time in the word of God, it's no effort for them to spend 10 hours watching tv or texting on their phone, but they cringe at spending 10 minutes in the word of God.

So they go to a brick and mortar church a hour a week, and are taught by other men, that were taught by other men, and then proclaim they know TRUTH.

And we wonder what's wrong with the world.

FEW FIND THE WAY

God BLESS YOU!

Try not to worry too much about the things of this life , your God is with you and He will help you , read your Bible , put the lessons you learn from it into your daily life , trust in God always , He will put you where He wants you to be and He will provide for your needs every day , ask Him and always thank Him .

Amen to you . I was not afraid to die when I faced the definite possibility of it , the only thing that made me sad was the thought of leaving my husband . Strangely enough , after ten years have passed since I had stage 4 cancer , I'm no longer sad to leave him . We had a good talk about it recently because of the events in the middle east and we are at peace about it and we are putting our trust into our Heavenly Father and His Son . I'm excited now :) looking forward to a new world , not ruled over by humans but by Christ himself in person , awesome days are coming , all things will be new and clean and all flesh shall see the Salvation of God , no more tears no more pain no more distress for all and forever ! Who doesn't rejoice in the promises ? Thy Kingdom Come !

You seem to have had a good wake up call and I'm so glad for you . Despite no evidence of this , many people still believe that we go to heaven or hell after we physically die . I am not one of those people . I believe that we will remain dead until Christ returns and ressurects and judges us . Stick to your Bible , put in the time and effort with it so you really know what it does and doesn't say , it's good to come on here but make sure that you read your Bible much more than you read this site :) . May God bless your efforts to draw closer to Him .

Dear Lee , hope you don't mind me responding to you . Like you I don't have much technology , just my mobile phone . Coming on here and reading the posts is a great help for sure but nothing beats the Bible , Old and New , so don't neglect it in order to spend time on here :) . Keep reading keep praying , and as you go about your daily life , try to put what you have read into practice and see your Heavenly Father all around you in His creation . He is everywhere and always showing the world His loving kindness , we should be doing the same as much as possible .

Hi , these verses give us examples of the kind of behaviour that people who don't know the Truth , are likely to indulge in . It's basically a list of the kind of things that a Christian should not be involved in . We are supposed to know better and not tag along with the kind of people who do those things . If we really know the Truth we won't even want to get involved in those things .

Proverbs 3:13

Matthew 13:45

45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

And for me it is sow !

Giannis, and Wkrimes, and other readers who participate in Biblical Studies here

Then,Giannis,you remain in your speculative and ficticious interpretation of the things which the own GOD REVEALED to Moses around 2500 years after Adam or around 1500 years BC,or exactly two Days and half of works, according GOD revealed to Moses and he wrote in GENESIS 1:3 to 13.TAKE A LOOK. Actually, the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD, like Moses, and the prophets, and the apostles of JESUS,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit, and above all GOD sent my Lord JESUS himself, through whom GOD made all things,understand?

That said, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. In fact, the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of GOD but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit, undeerstand? He who has the Spirit makes Judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgment.

In fact, the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth.It's that. But the one who is of heaven is above all( Ephesians 1:3 combined with Philippians 3:20-21,among other Scriptures)for he testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony, but whoever has accepted it has certified that GOD is Truthful.For the one whom GOD has sent speaks the Words of GOD,for GOD gives the Spirit without limit.

Hebrews 4:12-13

12The Word of GOD is quick-the Word is GOD,SELF-EXECUTING,understand?-,and powerful,and sharper than any twoedged Sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow,and is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an account.

Be careful or then get ready

Jordyn

I am a lot like you in many ways. I rid myself of all technology. No phone, vehicle etc. I wanted to go back to roots if you understand what I mean. I only kept my PC so I can try to study the bible and have only recently setup a facebook account a couple of months back so that I can try to "fellowship" with as many different Christians as that is where everyone seems to be and I did not want to ( 1 Corinthians 3:18) "deceive myself". But I am a very cautious and self-aware individual and so I am wary of ( Matthew 7:15) wolves in sheep's clothing while at the same time I don't want to become a fulfillement of the prophecy ( 2 Timothy 4:3) which I feel is actually coming to pass. I want to find that biblical sound doctrine So I know what path I need to walk.

I thank you for your time, patience and guidance and May our Lord God the Father bless you. Peace and love to you in Jesus name.

Shabbat Keeper

I thank you for your kind words. I just see things are going exactly according to scripture and rather 'criticise' the world I just humbled my heart, looked inward and realised I was no different. I don't want to be like the world anymore. I just want to stop eating the fruit that Adam and Eve ate and turn back to God if that makes sense. But my lack of knowledge makes it difficult for me to understand exactly the true doctrine of God. After all satan knows the scriptures better than I and there are many "doctrines of devils". I know and believe Christ died for my sins but I just can't believe "faith alone" where we can wallow in sin. Abraham was told and Abraham obeyed. That is my kind of faith, or at least I try. I'm not sure if that is the right faith to have. I feel like I am on the verge of understanding but I am missing a piece or 2 of the puzzle so to speak. Never let your candle burn out like the "unwise virgins".

I thank you again for your kind words and may God our Father guide you in to all truths. Peace to you in Jesus name. Amen

where was God when Satan entered the garden and deceived the woman.? Since we believe that God is all-knowing and omnipresent. I don't just get it, He should have used His power to stop and prevent Satan from entering the garden in the first place.

I think there is a correlation between the life of Adam and Eve before they eat the forbidden fruit and the life of a young baby, pure clean, innocent, ''blind'' naked, and never ashamed.

Jordyn

I thank you for your reply but my understanding isn't quite where it should be. You say cease from my works yet I am to walk in His statutes and judgements and DO THEM. I'm sorry for my lack of understanding but this confuses me. I just want to be a ( James 1:23) doer of the word and not a hearer. lol

I thank you for your time and patience with me.

Peace be with you.

relationship between Moses not getting to the promised land but appeared at the mount of transfiguration.

Please help me understand the meaning of Galatians 5: 19-21?

Lee the Follower:

Cease from your works, come into the sabbath rest, God's WORKS were finished from the foundation of the world.

You DIED with Christ on his cross, you were resurrect with Christ, a NEW CREATION.

You and Christ became ONE FLESH, married, you now have his name.

You now have his faith, and all the works, by your hand, he does through you.

Jeremiah 51:20-23

Obadiah 1:21

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put MY SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes and keep my judgements and DO THEM.

God Bless YOU!

Koosees, Stewart Kurtis my name. God Bless you.

I remember this started with sharing 2 Tim 2:15-18. And as for 2 Tim 2:15, that's what I'll do.

Hello friend. I am in agreement with what Adam has just shared with you: that the mention of Mohd or even an allusion to him is nowhere found in this verse, or indeed anywhere in the Bible.

You appear to be someone who is interested in what the Bible has to say to us, even considering the rich heritage that both the descendants of Isaac & Ishmael share from the olden days. In your consideration of this prophetical Book of Isaiah, we need to remember that this book & indeed all the Bible Books are written in an historical & chronological manner. Unlike the Qur'an, where the writings are purportedly made from isolated revelations received over a period of time, the Books of the Bible were written by men moved by God's Spirit ( 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21), but were given in a systematic historical way. So when we take a verse or portion of the Bible to teach or defend a belief, then we must look at the whole - or else, our understanding will be skewed & we will be led into error.

Since you're looking at the prophecies in Isaiah, if you would care to begin at Isaiah 13:1 right through to Isaiah 23:18, and you will notice a series of denunciations by God against particular lands/nations. Through his prophet Isaiah, God denounces Babylon, Philistia, Moab, Damascus, Ethopia, Egypt, Babylon (again), Edom, Arabia (the part you're referring to), Jerusalem, & Tyre. So when you refer to Isaiah 21:13, the specific passage is from Isaiah 21:13-17, where God's Judgement is found in verse 16, that "within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail". Even though Kedar was a powerful Arabian tribe, the reference here are to all connected to her. All these suffered judgement under God's Hand.

But at the appointed time, God sent forth His Son Jesus, the One Who came to receive our judgement & punishment upon Himself (for our sins). Without Him we would all be condemned, but those who believed on Him would receive forgiveness ( John 1:11,12).