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Hi Wkrimes,

Genesis 1:1 The Hebrew word shamayim meaning heaven, heavens, sky, and lofty, is in the Bible over 400 times and it is masculine plural. The Hebrew word for water is mayim it is also masculine plural, due to ending in im. They are plural nouns but can be dual, as the names of people and places in the Bible end in im. Translating it into English would depend on the context.

Some translations have heavens, and some have heaven but what is Genesis 1:1 saying? Some say this includes all three heavens, some even put a gap between verses 1 and 2, but what beginning is this? The third heaven is where God's throne and the angelic beings are, they were already there. They were before this world and universe as we see in Job 38:4-7 so this is our beginning, not the beginning of all creation.

My understanding is this verse is the introduction to the creation of the things that can be seen that are temporal that one day will all be made new. What I see is God waved His hand and all that is in our universe and our world was created and it all was in darkness and chaos. Nothing was formed or brought forth into order, the light shined into the darkness, light was the first day, the beginning of order that we see take place in the following verses.

God bless,

RLW

Brothers in Christ

Rejoice ye that dwell in the heaven as is written in Ephesians 1:3 and Philippians 3:20-21.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth(Israel) and of the sea!(wicked peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) for the Devil comes having great wrath, he knows that he has but a short time.

The nations will be angry, but GOD's wrath comes and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth- Revelation 11:18

That said, get ready

DrCharlesSaw

You say"the third heaven is the dwelling of God'',but what does the Word of GOD say? Ps.148:4-Praise GOD,ye heavens of heavens(highest heavens),and ye waters that be above the heavens(peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues; so,those which will be above the heavens are them which will be caught up out of the FIRE and be placed in the 3rd Heaven,for the 1st and 2nd heavens will be DISSOLVED- 2Peter 3:12-13,as follow:

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of GOD(the LORD's Day),wherein the HEAVENS(the 1st and 2nd heavens-THE CELESTIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS)being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED,and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?How?Yes, how?It is revealed and explained in Isaiah 33:10-14 combined with Hebrews 12:29 and 10:27.Take a look.

13Nevertheless we,according to GOD's promise,look for New Heavens(the next is the 3rd heaven- Luke 20:35-36.Take a look) and a new earth(new Israel),wherein dwels righteousness.

As you know,the Word is GOD,self-executing. Romans 9:28-31:

-->28For GOD WILL FINISH the work(the finish of GOD's work is from now on according to the WRATH OF GOD described in Revelation 11:15-18),and He shall cut it short in RIGHTEOUSNESS: because a SHORT WORK will the Lord make upon the earth(even now, from now on, in the last week divided in two halfs of severe and terrible chastisements),as JESUS warned in Matthew 24:22,saying:"Except those days should be SHORTENED,there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be SHORTENED

Verse 29-And as Esaias said before,Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,we had been as Sodoma(as is written in Luke 17:29-30),and been made like unto Gomorrha

30What shall we say then?That the Gentiles,which followed not after righteousness,have attained to righteousness,even the righteousness which is of faith

31But Israel,which followed after the Law of righteousness,has not attained to the law of righteousness

That said Get ready

Why does man not follow Yahweh's feast and celebrate his statues as he has commanded?

Rev 6 what do you think about the rider of the first white horse? Is he of the devil or is he our savior? Many will be deceived. Rev 19 is pretty

Indeed and very confusing post from One Eighty. It is an intellectual honesty to give credit to whom credit is due. His post, and especially the line below, has been plagiarized, but no credit was given to the author.

"The expression "God is not mocked" is not a warning but a reassurance; God would be mocked if ANY of His creations lacked holiness. We cannot make ourselves unworthy because we are the treasure of God, and what He values IS valuable." Good that you cared to write, though.

Thanks for pointing that out Jesse! God bless you!

One Eighty,

Blessings in Christ. Please do not take this as an offense. I see that your post, though it looks lengthy and nice, does not address the request made by Stewart! It is very generic and confusing.

It is an intellectual honesty to give credit to whom credit is due. Your post, and especially the line below, has been plagiarized, but no credit was given to the author.

"The expression "God is not mocked" is not a warning but a reassurance; God would be mocked if ANY of His creations lacked holiness. We cannot make ourselves unworthy because we are the treasure of God, and what He values IS valuable." Good that you cared to write, though. God bless you!

Hi Wkrimes,

Good call on Genesis 1, "Heaven" in one translation and "Heavens" in another. To understand this, I'll contrast my French translation with the English one (I speak French primarily). The French translation said, "In the beginning, God created "Heavens" and earth. Paul later reveals to us that there are three heavens. The 1st heaven is the physical "out of space" limits our eyes can see. In this "heaven" resides the demons, principalities, powers, evil spirits, etc. Remember that the earth is covered with the powers of darkness. In the second heaven (purely spiritual place) lives Satan, the king of demons, where the kingdom of darkness is organized. In the book of Daniel, the angel said he was being held by the prince of "Persia," meaning the prince of this world.

Finally, the third heaven is the dwelling of God. The perfect place where we all long to go, where the saints are living. This is the place that Jesus referred to in John 14 when he said I'll go prepare a place for you. This is the New Jerusalem, where there is no sin, no pain, no sorrow.

To conclude, the first translation referred to the spiritual world as "Heaven," while the second translation preferred to distinguish between those three "Heavens". I hope that helps a bit. Thanks.

Blessings Jesse,

I can assure you that I have never taken a course on anything on any website my entire life as you are convinced that I have. Just using the KJV site is a stretch for me, as I'm not too fond of computers; not really my thing. I wouldn't begin to even know how to copy and paste anything. But you seem to know the truth as such.

Respectfully Jesse, do you have a crystal ball that has revealed this to you? Did you consult the Holy Spirit on this, and this is what He told you? If so, then He lied to you. Did you pray about it or even consider consulting Him, as it appears to me you are a mature Christian, and would be accustomed in doing so instead of jumping to conclusions regarding a brother in Christ, or anyone for that matter. This doesn't seem like you, based on past posts I've read of yours.

How long have YOU been reading or studying ACIM? I could be wrong, but it appears you are very familiar with it, having thoroughly read and studied it from cover to cover; perhaps even more than once, or you wouldn't be so confident as to making statements regarding heresy. Perhaps you can enlighten ME on it. Surely you wouldn't just take someone's word on it, as that wouldn't be characteristic of a Christian.

Now, if someone made similar statements regarding the Bible, wouldn't you suggest something along the lines about immersing their self in it,read it through and through, pray and meditate, etc., before jumping to conclusions.

How ironic: You question whether what I said to Stewart was helpful, while you made no effort to be helpful in your post addressed to HIM. Perhaps you can or should point out specifically anything in my post that was harmful, or said without love.

I always enjoy reading your posts, and perceive you as being respectful with good intentions. Be assured, I don't see your post as an attack. I'm grateful to you for your kindness and would never reject you as a brother.

Peace to you always

Stewart,

You have the prayers of all who have responded here, including mine. Lee, GiGi, and Jordyn offered some great advice and encouragement.

GiGi,

I completely agree with you that Jema's words are encouraging. Her words seem to come from the heart.

One eighty,

No offense, but I find your post somewhat confusing to read and I wonder how the things you posted will help Stewart? I see that the words you posted were not your words but words that were copied and pasted from a website called A Course In Miracles, or acim.

This issue is not that we share things off the internet. There is no harm in doing so, but we should at least give credit to the website that we copied and pasted from.

That's not the issue. The issue is that the website you copied from is full of heretical teachings and things that are very unbiblical which can cause harm to someone like Stewart who is looking for help.

One eighty,

I'm sure you mean no harm. You usually have some good things to share and I appreciate your contributions to this forum. I would just encourage you to put the things being taught by acim to the test (using God's word).

Some thing being taught by acim are:

"We do not need a saviour. We are the sources of our own salvation."

"There is no sin, it is all an illusion"

These are just some of the heretical teachings of Helen Shucman and should be rejected, not shared.

Oseas:

Are you asking what these scriptures mean?

We are the house of God, and we are being judged by the words of God, so we must, by the spirit of truth, rightly divide his words.

We are either a beast of the field; which includes dogs, all these have not the knowledge of God.

All to be judged outside the city gates, on the cross of Christ, or we have come to truth we died on the cross of Christ, judged with Christ, by the wrath of God.

God's words declares unto us the condition we were in; dogs outside the city gates, before the cross, and they declare the condition we are in after the cross, in the bosom of Abraham.

Now, are you a dog eating the crumbs from the table, or, are you sitting at the banquet table prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

God BLESS YOU!

Wkrimes

You are confounding "Heavens" with Sky, for heavens are spiritual, sky is material. When Paul Apostle was caught to the third heaven, he did not make a travel to the space, to the sky, of course, as do the spaceman or the rockets. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. By the way, when JESUS was born, He came from heaven, not from the Sky, from the space, understand? Furthermore, All things were made by my Lord JESUS; and without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.

Hebrews 1-2 and 11:3

1 - GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last Days(last two Days or last 2000 years)spoken unto us by His Son,whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds.

11:3 Through FAITH(not by sight, or even by the letter of the Scriptures,the letter kills)we UNDERSTAND that the WORLDS were framed/created by the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-,self-executing-,so that things which are seen WERE NO MADE of things which do appear.

Isaiah 40:21-22

21Have ye not known?have ye not heard?hath it not been told you from the beginning?have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;that stretcheth out the HEAVENS as a curtain,and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 51:14-17

14The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed,and that he should not die in the pit,nor that his bread should fail.

15But I am the Lord thy GOD,that divided the sea,whose waves roared:The Lord of hosts is His name.

16And I have put my WORD in thy mouth,and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand,that I MAY PLANT THE HEAVENS, and lay the foundations of the earth,and say unto Zion,Thou art my people.

17 Awake,awake,stand up,O Jerusalem,which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury...

GOD bless

Giannis,Jordyn,Jesse,S Spencer,and all readers

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,self-executing,understand?and the Word made flesh-JESUS-the Almighty,warned saying in Matthews 24:15:(whoso readeth,let him understand).

Isaiah 56:8-10

8 The Lord GOD,which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith,Yet will I gather others to him,beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea,all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind:they are all ignorant,they are all dumb DOGS,they cannot bark;sleeping,lying down,loving to slumber.

11 Yea,they are greedy DOGS which can never have enough,and they are shepherds that cannot understand:they all look to their own way,every one for his gain,from his quarter.

Even the Lord GOD revealed through Isaiah the watchmen of Israel are blind,they are all ignorant,they are all dumb DOGS, GREEDY DOGS,and THEY ARE SHEPHERDS(Is.56:10-11),yeah,the DOGS are shepherds,the Lord GOD said.

Paul said to the brothers of the Church of Galatia:Beware of DOGS,why?Because they are danger.GOD said by the prophet Jeremiah:Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!saith the Lord- Jeremiah 23:1.

JESUS also said to the multitude,and to His disciples too(Mat.23):The scribes and the Pharisees sat in Moses' seat,then all therefore should observe what they commanded,but they should not do according the works of them:for they did say,but they did not.

And JESUS said to the Scribes and Pharisees:Woe unto you,scribes and Pharisees,hypocrites!Ye blind guides,which strain at a gnat,and swallow a camel.Woe unto you,scribes and Pharisees!Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers(according Jn.8:44-45),how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

1Pe.4:17-18

17For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God:and if it first begin at us,what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of GOD?

18And if the

I pray God gives you His spiritual understanding and not that of our own. May he give you His wisdom and guide you in His ways, I pray these things in Jesus name.

Stewart, keep reading the scripture. The more you read the more you learn, the more you learn the more you grow. Don't ever give up and don't ever lose faith. May the Lord God guide you always. Amen.

Hello Oseas

Just because some things in the Old Testament are symbolic for some things in the New Testament, doesn't mean that everything in life is symbolic for something else. Do not take such a path. You'll get lost in your thoughts.

My main question is why does it say in Genesis 1:1 " In the beginning, God created the [Heaven] and the Earth" when in many older Bibles it says " [Heavens] and Earth" Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth/ 1:1/ The "heavens and earth" refer to the universe as we know it (i.e., the sky above with all that is in it and the earth below). There is no one word in Hebrew for "universe." This is a figure of speech (merism) for totality; God created everything. The translators often rendered the Hebrew word 'eres (earth) as "land." By translating it this way we can see that Moses wanted his readers to realize that God created and therefore owned all land (cf. 12:7 and all subsequent references to the Promised Land; Ps. 24:1).[24]

Hello Zaphnathpaneah.

" Where did darkness come from? Where did the deep come from? Where did the waters come from AND why was it all void AND empty?". One can not know what God has not revealed, only guesses.

Genesis was written in a manner that all people since the begining can have a very general knowledge of how God created everything. It is not a detailed scientific account of creation, that was not God's aim. It was written with simple words that ancient or primitive people can also understand as well as us today, So don't look for detailed scientific expanations.

Also God always talks to people according to the knowledge humanity has in every age. So in Joshua He said that he stopped the sun from moving in the sky, because at that time people believed that the sun orbits the earth which is wrong and we know today that He definitely stopped the earth not the sun. God's aim is not to teach science but to give a message using the knowledge we have aquired so far. So people like Paul talk about the 3rd heaven, others talk about 7 heavens, because it was what they believed at that time. Today knowing what the universe consists from we would say that Paul went outside the material universe where God and the angels are living or something similar.

Yes, just think, as Jesus said to Thomas, blessed are they who have not seen,, but believe. That is us! We will see

him in His resurrected, glorified body when we are bodily resurrected and glorified. His! And His scars from the wounds of His sacrificial and purposeful, voluntary death will be most beautiful to us.

Oseas:

Revelation is very symbolic, but it is also the GOSPEL, the revealing of Jesus Christ.

Until the spirit causes you to SEE and UNDERSTAND that the Word of God is talking to the person reading it, and that person reading those words Is the most likely the SYMBOL your reading about, you will stay in darkness.

Revelation is addressing the church, but that church is not the RCC or the Baptist, of any other denomination church.

Your the CHURCH, and WE are riding the beast with the name WHORE written in our head.

We blaspheme HIS NAME every day by not believing what he SAYS.

You were BAPTISED by his resurrection INTO HIS NAME.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no TEMPLE (church) therein, because the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE (CHURCH) thereof.

2 Corinthians 6:16 .....for ye are TEMPLE of the LIVING GOD ....

You and Christ BECAME ONE: BY HIS RESURRECTION.

A beast has NO KNOWLEDGE of God; we ride the beast, until: We are BORN AGAIN by the words (truth and knowledge) of God.

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (the power of God, given to you by the truth and knowledge of God)) that thou sawest on the beast, THESE (the NEW CREATION) shall HATE the WHORE, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall ear her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Hebrews 12:29 Our God is a consuming fire ..... you WERE made ONE with Christ .... you are in, and have become the lake of fire.

Hebrews 1:7 ...and maketh his ministers A FLAME of FIRE .....

Isaiah 9:20 .... and shall EVERY MAN eat the FLESH of his own right arm ....

God BLESS YOU!

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Genesis 1:1 is The beginning of the beginning God created the Heaven AND the Earth. But in verse 2 something is amiss. It's void AND empty and there is darkness over the face of the deep AND God's Spirit is moving UPON The face of the waters searching searching searching Prophecy reveals THAT something happened between Genesis 1:1-1:2- The scriptures are complete but our human reason can't understand the work that God makes form beginning to end. Ask yourself this. Where did darkness come from? Where did the deep come from? Where did the waters come from AND why was it all void AND empty? Enough for NOW. Chee on THAT for a spell

A lovely post , God bless you .

Great post and so true ! Amen to you , love in Christ .

Stewart:

God teaches us on a ONE by ONE basis.

The WORD is for YOU.

When you make comments, even if no one reads it, it TEACHES YOU because your writing those words and those words become afrimed to you as truth.

But we also much constantly adjust our carnal mind, it is being destroyed by the truth of God's ward.

We go from ONE truth to another truth as God replaces his mind for our carnal mind.

Everyone on this forum is experiencing the same process, we all have differences in our beliefs because we are all at different points of growth in truth.

It's only when you admit to yourself that you don't understand that you grow, because you DESIRE MORE knowledge, and God will continue to feed you, like a child.

We ought to edify each other not tear down each other down.

TRUTH, you were RESURRECTED ONE with Christ.

All other truths come as God reveals them to you.

Keep commenting, It helps YOU as much and probably more than anyone else.

God BLESS YOU!

What was the biblical significance of the construction and FALL of the TWO TOWERS of the World Trade Center? By allegory, the material things are figures of spiritual things. For example, Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, which genders to bondage, and is in bondage with her children. By the way, GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

In the yar 2001, The United States was the single largest economy on the planet, followed by the European Union- Both economic Powers were represented on the Twin Towers,but the 7 towers were built symbolizing the 7 regions of the Earth-Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America, and South America, but two Towers were the main ones, the Twin Towers, the others were secondary, they had less meaning except a representation of the 7 regions of the Earth.WTC.

Humanity had just entered a new millennium,from the sixth to the seventh(check it in purebibleforum about the exact difference of 240 years-in-the-jewish-calendar), so, according Scriptures at the turn of a new Day( 2Peter 3:v.8), therefore, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

The fall of the two towers of the World Trade Center signified that both Economies-USA and UE(European Union)- would fall in ruin day after day, in the days to come, and upon the earth distress of nations(of the whole earth),with perplexity;Men's hearts failing them for fear,and for looking after the things which are coming on the earth.And this generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilled.

Again:The material things are figures of spiritual things.After the fall of the WTC in the year 2001,there was a sucession of terrible significative events until the current time,and the worst is in the way,the worst will happen from now on,that is the beginning of the last week,week 70th Daniel 9:27; the last 7 years of the World of Devil is arriving.

And Revelation 11:15-18 will LITERALLY be fulfilled

Get ready

Thank you Stewart for the speedy reply. I guess in a way I went fishing yesterday and became unavailable to get back to you. I believe that the resurrection can be taught presently and until the last hour. Tribulation will increase until the last hour as well. One great benefit of the Christian was entering into the Lord's rest, He finished our work for us and so much better. Again thank you for your brotherly kindness.

The Papacy and the RCC-which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-,the Pope,a Gentile Beast,actually a religious and satanic MONSTER having 7 heads and 10 horns,and upon his horns 10 crowns,and upon his heads a NAME of blasphemy,this religious MONSTER will do a partnership with the MAN Beast of the earth- Revelation 13:11-,who has two horns like a lamb(a false lamb,a false messiah- John 5:43-47-AN IMPOSTOR),who will manifest in days to come,probably in this year or in the next,and shall speak as a dragon- Revelation 13:11

How will be this partnership between the MAN Beast of the sea(sea are peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues- Revelation 17:15),and the MAN Beast of the earth that is like a lamb,a false lamb,a false messiah,AN IMPOSTOR- John 5:43-,yeah, how will be this partnership?

Revelation 13:2 gives us the answer for this question, that is:

To the MAN Beast of sea which is like unto a leopard,and his feet as the feet of a bear,and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(actually it refers the roots of this satanic Gentile Beast- Daniel 7:4-6, yeah, to him the false messiah-the dragon-Rev.13:11-,will give his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem, where is the Throne of Satan),and great Authority-Rev.13:2,and Power will be given unto the MAN Beast of sea-to the last of the Popes or Papacy,for forty and two months- Revelation 13:5.By the way,this period of 42 months ruled by the last Pope sat in the Throne of the false messiah in Jerusalem is the FIRST HALF of the last week-week 70th, Daniel 9:27,so Catholicism(iron)and the esoteric and kabbalistic Judaism(the clay)both will be together to establish an Universal and satanic religious kingdom,and then will LITERALLY be fulfilled what my Lord JESUS prophesied: "...and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles(with the Pope enthroned in Jerusalem by the false messiah),until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled-that is the fullness of the Gentiles"- Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2

Get ready

I remember Christ having Thomas touch His nail scared hands and see His side. Another reminder that He did retain His earthly body. Amazing!

Thank you , Chris for your thoughts. I do find it intriguing that the world doesn't just say "ceased" but rested. Something perhaps will know about one day.

After having crucified my Lord JESUS,Israel was banned from the Promised land from year 70BC to 1948BC,1878 years of severe curses and punishments,in LITERAL fulfilment of Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of severe chastisements.And now,in this Day of Vengeance,the LORD's Day,the seventh and last Day,what will happen with Israel?and with the Gentile nations?

By the way,the physical city of Jerusalem is the primal/original prostitute called Oholibah-Jewish Bible-Yechezkel(Ez.)23:4 and 14-19:-

4 -Ez. 23:4 says:"Jerusalem (is)Oholibah."

14And she increased her harlotries,and she saw men engraved on the wall...engraved with types of drawings.

15Girded with girdles on their loins,colored hanging turbans on their heads/exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads;the appearance of mighty men all of them(like the 266 Popes that existed in the Papacy),the likeness of the children of Babylon-Chaldeans-the land of their birth.By the way, the ROOTS of the MAN Beast of sea,according to the Revelation 13:2 is as follow: The Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,and his feet were as the feet of a bear,and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(as was prophesied:Dan.7:4-6):and the dragon(the MAN Beast of earth like a lamb- Revelation 13:11-,a false messiah,actually the own Satan incarnated,father of the Jews- John 8:44-45)gave him-gave to the MAN Beast of sea-his Power, and his Seat(his Throne in Jerusalem),and great Authority-Rev.13:2.

16And she lusted for them at the sight [that reached] her eyes,and she sent messengers to them,to [the land of] the Chaldeans.

17And the children of Babylon came to her for a bed of love, and they defiled her with their harlotry,and she became defiled through them,and her soul was disgusted with them.

18And she revealed her harlotries and uncovered her nakedness, My soul became disgusted with her,as had become disgusted with her sister.

19And she increased her harlotries,to remember the days of her youth,when she played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

Re.Je.35

"Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever." The key to it is this phrase," forever" in context of his Son, both Jew and Gentile are set down in the book of life in terms of Jesus Christ. Amen