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Glenn,

I read what you said again, at least 6 times. I'm glad I didn't skip over it. You wrote the most beautiful description I've ever read. Mysticism of the ages set in poetry ( 2 Peter 3:8). However, the 'day of the Lord' begins at the sixth trumpet, not the seventh. Thanks for the vision.

Yes, there is a lot of evil. I used to believe the USA represented a moral good and I no longer believe that. I don't go so far as some people do, however, who absolutely hate the country and hate people of a certain race. I think that's wrong. But the leadership is lost and corrupt. Every day it is becoming more like Sodom and Gomorrah and one day I think God will have enough and let it be destroyed. I don't think the US will survive long term as it even seems to be destroying itself. Every other country also has corruption and evil too, as mankind is very flawed and keeps choosing sin. Seeing so many killed because of taking an experimental injection and then seeing the coverup is really eye opening. People in denial as to what even the truth is, and anyone who dares question their assumptions is at risk of being 'cancelled'. Scary times not unlike Nazi Germany.

Does King James v1611 mention reincarnation or being reborn after death?

Why do churches hold church on sunday and not saturday ? Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. So if a church holds on sunday doesnt that mean they are teaching false doctrine ?

Who does America think they are to tell China what to do? Your first concern should be stopping America's military from killing innocent people. Stop the evil US from hiring ISIS to fight in Iraq and Syria. As soon as Russia entered the war in Syria, they routed ISIS, while the US bombed open fields, as to not hurt their ISIS assets. The war on terror is a hoax, and one America won't survive.

Every professing Christian should understand the depth of this chapter. because this is truly an important instruction of GOD ALMIGHTY TO MEN. but men fail to see its relevance bringing miseries and poverty to everyone.

our king Jesus even reiterate it in Matthew 22 : the most important commandment is LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL . man then continue on his loss journey bringing all kind of tragedy: war, famine, pestilence poverty.

they thought that there is no GOD anymore, not understanding that there lack of understanding about the commandments of GOD BRING A LOT OF CURSES. you see, just as the curses did take place on Israel, the same is happening to the world; GOD ALMIGHTY IS NOT A PUNISHING GOD. but men attracts to himself his own demise, because men choose evil works than righteousness : GOD ALMIGHTY SEND HIS SON JESUS to bring peace and prosperity but they crucified him instead

Mark 13 ,.. " these are truly sorrowful times "

Lord Jesus is coming soon

Y'all need to go on youtube now

epoch times

ntd news

are announcing the chinese govt is doing forced organ harvesting human organs transplants $for money$ from incarcerated prisoners.

go on there now to hear this.

thank-you, however this verse is not complete, first and upmost and i Quote 'Deny yourself' is the key.....in the Bible the Lord spoke and said the greatest gift ONE can give is,,,, if one would lay down his life for another.... and that is the greatest love one can give.... HE himself showed all of us by example upon "that cross" the cross is a symbol, of the love that i have to follow & Be more Christ like in this attempt when i decided to server & and be of service....ALL that Christ is and has done is that CROSS that i carry.......

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Why do you BELIEVE FIRE is literal of physical fire. Why is the worm that never DIES a literal or physical worm.

Christ SAID my words are SPIRIT, therefore the fire is spirit, the worm is spirit.

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE), which is A WORM?

Hebrews 12:29 For OUR GOD (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE) is a consuming FIRE.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU....the fire (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS and PURIFIES is never quenched but IMMORTAL. The worm (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS flesh and never DIES but is IMMORTAL.

We are the vessel (POT) the fire and the worm are the potter (CREATOR).

Psalms 104:30 Thou (the Father) sendest (SENT the Son) thy Spirit (of Christ), they (the vessels) are CREATED (by the WORKS of SPIRIT) (the fire and the worm): thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

Adam,

The warning to not take the mark is specifically for the 144 thousand sealed saints. They are the only ones strong enough not to take the mark ( Revelation 20:4). God knows everyone else, Christian or not, will accept the mark during the great tribulation. This is human instinct to survive any way possible. Chapter 14 is for the saints.

( Revelation 14:9-11)

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

There are Bible accounts you accept at face value, and others you don't accept at face value (more to it than meets the eye). If you don't understand who the immediate audience is, you will not gain full understanding. You will think it's directed at you, and say something like "I wouldn't take the mark", when in fact, you most certainly will take the mark. Most Christian's are weak as water and will clamor to take the mark. God knows the hypocrites, Christian's in name only will lose their religion for their bellies. Each claim must be proven in its measure, and this one has problems in its rhetorical design.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

English Sacha,

I read your 1st message with the same understanding of your 2nd message. I instinctively know what you said, so no worries. Bless your heart for double-backing around to safeguard my fragile feelings, lol. Bob Dylan has a tune called "License to kill", and has some typical Zimmy lines about man's fall. It's about a woman (Christian) sitting on the hill (Mt Olives) waiting for Jesus to come and take away man's license to kill. "Maybe a noise maker, spirit maker, heart breaker, back breaker, leave no stone unturned, maybe an actor in a plot that might be all that you got, till you error you clearly learn". The Stones make a horse-meat pie sound scrumptious in a song that rhymes with "itch". Too bad it wasn't a corned beef pie, my dad would be 1st one at the table.

I don't consider my brief challenge of ailments a bad thing considering I could have it much worse. I pledged yearly donations to the hospital annex facility years before I checked in as an experimental outpatient, and I requested they treat me the same as a non-paying client, from a disadvantaged background. The Lord has blessed me beyond my dreams, so I can share the joy with other like minded souls, into the vapor. Cheers to your husband for the well wishes upon a stranger; he's a rock standing out in an ocean of doubt, without compromise.

Hi ChrisE,

Thanks for your response and thoughts, as well as all of your related scripture, I read all of your scripture, and the scripture is all very good, but it does not convince me that water baptism is no longer a requirement for a Christian.

When I read scripture I place the most weight when Jesus speaks (because he is speaking from God). Here is Jesus speaking about water baptism:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus said there must be 2 actions (TWO ACTIONS ARE REQUIRED) We must be born of Water and of the Spirit! Done. If you argue with this, then you are really arguing directly with Jesus, in my opinion.

Here is additional scripture showing 2 ACTIONS are required:

Mark 16:16

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

He that believeth - We must believe - 1st ACTION

and is Baptized - WE must be baptized - 2nd ACTION

The scripture doesn't just say we must just believe, we must do BOTH!

Last, but not least, my question would really be, why wouldn't a Christian want to be baptized in water and the spirit, as Jesus states: to enter the kingdom of Heaven?

God Bless.

Brother Carleton; I AGREE, we are reigning NOW, with him, in truth, in peace, in life, because he has revealed this to us, through his written word AND the living word abiding IN US.

His word ALSO declares to us what we will BE DOING after we depart this body of flesh.

Psalms 126:6 He that goeth forth and weepth, BEARING PRECIOUS SEED (written and living, Matthew 13:37, Luke 8:11) shall doubtless COME AGAIN (as SEED) with rejoicing, bring his SHEAVES (the harvest) with him.

I would like to add another meditation. In the beginning God through Christ created man in the image of God to live on forever. Man separated himself from this image by his own works. The punishment from God was immediate. Man lost part of the whole image and became in the flesh, earth and world a false image, because man was no longer representing the whole image of God. This incomplete image was now mortality by corruption (sin).

What was missing? Holiness and righteousness.

What was gained? Food for the dragon, Satan.

Until Jesus came in the likeness of flesh, earth and world to save man in God's complete image which is eternal Life.

Jesus is not just a man; human.

He is the Son of God. By being born of a virgin, He became the SON OF MAN.

He's fully the 2nd person of the Godhead ( Romans 1). He attained the right to come to earth and be born legally a human. [when Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac]

Because of that act of faith, Satan was legally defeated. He was stripped of the power of death, the grave and the keys to the prison by Jesus when he died on the Cross. Satan got his neck stomped too.

We have DOMINION from the book of Genesis. Jesus secured THE AUTHORITY OF BELIEVERS to get Satan out of our lives.

If we go to hellit's because we chose hell. "Acting Clueless" won't get you a pass.

If you don't like the way we preach stuff, then YOU study and come back and we will listen. I will. IRON SHARPENS IRON.

In the Bible, Jesus says to "take up your cross and follow me." How do I know what my cross is? Is it a symbol of a Christian's willingness to die for or suffer for Christ?

It uses the word "destruction."

I don't know if you believe in hell or not. Most Christians do, because the Bible warns us about hell. So, if you believe in hell, the next question is how long does it last? Instant destruction/death, medium term death, long term, or eternity? The Bible uses different synonyms, examples, parables, etc to describe hell. For example, if you keep reading in Matthew 7 verse 19 it calls it a 'fire'. Matthew 8:12 says there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mark 9:48 says the worm never dies and fire unquenched. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 says "everlasting destruction." I interpret this is not short. Revelation 20:10 also suggests it's not short in duration. Jude 1:7 - uses the word "eternal fire." Matthew 25:46, Matthew 25:41. These are only a handful of examples and I think there are more suggesting that hell is not an instant death. If you find just as many verses saying hell is instant and you die instantly, please share them. I also don't believe the word death or destruction automatically means it's instant. It can happen over a longer period of time. For example Adam and ate the fruit and was condemned to death, but lived 930 years. He became mortal and died just like God said and it wasn't instant, but the death was slow. Is it out of the question to consider the same could be true for hell, especially since many verses say it's eternal?

People will likely interpret the duration differently and we probably won't know for sure until the end. But because of the scripture, the context, that hell is intended to be a punishment for those who disobeyed, I do not believe it is an instant death. I think people will be very sorry and deeply regret they disrespected God and did not take Him seriously and I believe God will fairly see those who chose evil are punished. God bless.

Has anyone gone on YouTube and watched any of the Revelation Station videos of the Rapture and the Tribulation? You might have to type: revelation station Movie, to see it put together.

They are quite unlike the 1970's movies some of us old folks saw :D

Point is that 2 PETER 3, is going to happen. It's written, so it will happen.

The last video shows a short view of what Heaven might look like. Pretty populated too.

We may wonder why God wants to remake earth. For starters, we've pretty much polluted it to death. Our atmosphere and oceans, all dying.

So many satellites circling earth, they can hardly launch rockets for space exploration.

Our Government actually thinks Massive Amounts of taxpayer money can fix everything. They DONT read the Bible or else they would know GOD fully intends to do it Himself.

Luke 16:19-31 in this passage we see a parable of a rich selfish man that died; later wanted this beggar who had lived a miserable life believing in God. It shows that there is heaven and hell. People in hell are conscious, thirsty and miserable. They even pray for saved people to go witness to their unsaved family members, still living.

I don't think it's going to work out if you think by refusing to accept the end of this world as a hoax or some sick persons fantasy; that you can bypass reality with your interpretation. I'm sorry for you. We are here right now, trying to show you an easier way to live eternally in joy, happiness and purpose.

Please note that you didn't post any Bible verses supporting your belief, but more opinion. I think you didn't post any scripture supporting it, because none does. Beware of anything not coming from God's word as it is not from God.

Brother Earl, some meditation.

Jesus saved the world in the world and unveiled the Peaceful Kingdom, where still in earth, overcomer(s) of the world in Him can reign with Him, even now, until the end of the world.

"If we're not following Jesus; we're following this world system of angry voices." That is soooo, true. There are angry voices directed toward people, who don't say angry froward words, to anyone. They don't even think about doing that.

Literal marrage. Real marrage does not need legal. Real marrage does not need a priest. Real marrage does not need three. Marrage needs two. That can be repeated, as in Jacob with Lea, and Rachel, and Solomon and Reaboahm, Solomon's son, who was a good king. People around him helped to raise his children. There will be the marrage supper of the lamb. Males and females will be married to Jesus, who is a male.

Precious Dan:

" Mark 16:14-17 So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen"

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)

You are right saying death. Hell is under the earth. God's light will burn the earth to the lowest depths, or lowest hell in the earth melting the elements with fervent heat, purifying the earth of all sin. All things changed when death became a reality. People think of a place. Heaven needs to be in us. That is life. People will have death in them had they not have life in them. They will have hell in them, as a result. They that don't have life in them will become ashes, seeing God's light as the fires of hell.

Carful with wanting to raise the dead, as good as that is. Christs enemies wanted to kill Jesus even more, when he raised Lazarus up from the dead. Think about that.

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The Word says MOST will see DEATH, not HELL.

The WAGES of sin (unbelief) is DEATH, the sins of the flesh are COVERED by the DEATH of Christ.

The WAGES of go and sin no more (belief) are IMMORTALITY (never ending LIFE in Christ, I AM truth and life).

All that ARE NOT TRANSLATED (you are born again BY the word of God) into the Kingdom of God (messengers of Spirit, with never ending LIFE, never ending TRUTH) WILL be raised back into their bodies of FLESH and JUDGED.

Malachi 2:7 For the (kingdom) priest's lips shall keep knowledge, and they (kingdom priest)that seek the law at his (the WORD's) mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of host.

Isaiah 26:9 ....with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the EARTH, the inhabitants OF THE WORLD will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

His judgements are not NOW in the EARTH; he is calling out of this world those CHOSEN to be kings and priest in his kingdom to RULE and JUDGE the world.

After this happens and judgement comes, every knee will bow and every tongue will CONFESS HE IS LORD.

Confession is made unto salvation.

Traditions of man limits God's plan.

God WILL NOT BE LIMITED, His WILL, WILL BE DONE.

I John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father SENT the SON (THE WORD) to be saviour of the world.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD (the SON) be that goeth out of my (the Father's) mouth: it (my WORD, my SON) shall not return unto me VOID (incomplete or unfinished WORK), but it (my WORD, my SON) shall ACCOMPLISH that which I PLEASE, and it (my WORD, my SON) shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN SUBDUED unto him, then shall the Son himself be subject to him who put ALL THINGS under him, that God (SPIRIT, LIFE, TRUTH) may be ALL IN ALL.

You can't RULE and REIGN with CHRIST if you don't BELIEVE Christ is going TO BE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

God has allowed it; and it works upon lines of reality that He has established, created, made. This entire earth planet's experience, which Heaven may well be 'Paused' for, to watch, work with, care for has been allowed in order to forever preserve the actual spark of real Freedom to act within our somewhat self made own personalities, that our love for, service to and with God and each-other is honest and freely our own choices, versus the dystopian dull faced automatons depicted in films, masses hollow following some assumed dictator.... the way of the evil one, who deserves not the Capital Letter. Yes, God REALLY LOVES US!

I did a long study on RACES. The origins of problems began with Nimrod. People dispersed after God confused the ONE COMMON LANGUAGE.

People migrated to other parts of the world: Europe, Asia, South America, etc. After the flood, ship building happened. Different climates were thought to change skin pigment because of exposure to the Sun.

These movements have been traced and published by those scientists on Google. Artifacts have been dug up and carbon dated back to Genesis.

If we don't turn off the television and hit the books; we aren't going to learn anything except hatred against others we deem different or more privileged or less privileged.

EDUCATION IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO HAVE A BURNING DESIRE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE "WHYS". If you can't attend higher education because of costs.if you have sight and normal intelligence, AND CAN READ: you can self educate yourself.

It takes drive and motivation and an unwillingness to accept humble beginnings in life. We can force ourselves to pursue excellence.

I worked all my life in 2 separate careers. I forced myself to read books I didn't particularly want to read.

NOW we live in a world of a gigantic Entitlement mentality. We want luxury without working for it. It's a dead end.

We have untapped abilities. If we lean into Jesus and learn at His feet nowwe can do anything. I want to know all the WHY QUESTIONS; with answers. Jesus wants us to know the Answers.

If we're not following Jesus; we're following this world system of angry voices.

1 Corinthians 2:16

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Philippians 2:5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Romans 15:6

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Mishael