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Smug definition according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary: Having or showing the annoying quality of people who feel very pleased or satisfied with their abilities, achievements, etc.

"I am just as learned as a Bible scholar from years of playing Bible Jeopardy. I run circles around the swift."

With all due respect sir, your statement fits the definition of a "Smug Christian." But congrats on being the Bible Jeopardy champ!

Brother Earl.

You quoted:

" Brother S Spencer, I have not found anywhere in scripture that describes the cherub as being anything other than flaming swords (the word of God) of fire and the glory of God."

End quote.

Earl it seems to me you did find a scripture!! " The one I pasted!! I never gave an interpretation on it, You did!!

All I did was copy and paste it to Chris answering hi question.

And you came along and NAILED IT!!

Here's the pasted verse I used earlier pulled out of Ezekiel 28:12-18.

( Ezekiel 28:14.""THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB"" that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.)

Incase one missed it, He's called a cherub again in Ezekiel 28:16.

YOU NAILED IT!! And disbelieve your own interpretation.

Look at Ezekiel 28:12-18. With that layed out detailed description how can you not take it literal!!

You said you have not found anywhere in scripture that describes the cherub as being anything other than flaming swords (the word of God) of fire and the glory of God."

Look at Ezekiel 28:18. .......I BRING FORTH A FIRE FROM THE MIDST OF THEE, IT SHALL DEVOUR THEE, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

"" So I suppose God is going to bring fire upon ( THE WORD OF GOD ) and DEVOUR it and bring it to ashes upon the earth?

You don't believe in a literal Satan, Oseas believes Satan seduced Eve but you guys agree with one another.

Of all the Amillennialist on this site you can't find 2 that agree on anything! But most of you claim being Spirit led.

People be careful of what's being presented to you and study scripture.

God bless.

Cedrick not at all I'm not interested in one up on knowledge as Paul wrote in 1 corinthians 13 knowledge puffeth up but love edifieth or builds up. Someone said to me one time people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. So lets build up.

Hello Dianne,

First of all, Amen. I can't help but wonder sometimes. I think most would agree that the Bible is all God's word, cover to cover. I think the problem sometimes comes from piecing scripture together that shouldn't be pieced together. I myself have been guilty of that in the past and had to learn the hard way.

I love 2 Timothy 3:16-17. The term inspiration of God is all one Greek word that means God breathed. All scripture is God breathed, and is profitable for four things: For doctrine. That's the system of the Christian faith. For reproof. This is a legal term that means to present proof to the court to bring about a conviction. For correction. This means to bring people and make them line up with the things of God. Correction is to get people back on the right track.

And then for instruction in righteousness. The word instruction doesn't come from anything about teaching. In fact, it comes from the word discipline. It means to discipline children. So the word of God is profitable for disciplining people in righteousness. God through His word will bring conviction. And He will teach us the doctrines, especially of Paul, and of Christ.

Nick doesn't the bible say irs going to get worse and worse in this world, were not here to save the planet or powers of this world just to reconcile men to God teaching them about Jesus Christ. Remember this world is not our permanent home. Food for thought. Our home is in heaven

Hello Earl,

I see the Old Testament as history and prophecy, history of God working through and in His people (the children of Israel), and prophecy about the coming Messiah. The Hebrew OT is arranged differently than our English Bible and is broken down into three sections: The Law (Torah), which is Genesis through Deuteronomy, The Prophets (Neviim) which is Joshua through Malachi, (minus Ruth, Lamentations, and Daniel) and then the writings (Ketuvim) which is Job through 2 Chronicles (including Ruth, Lamentations & Daniel). As far as the two witnesses, these are (two) people that will be protected by God. And they will be testifying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3-1/2 years.

You are correct in saying that the scripture only speaks of two (Enoch/Elijah) that were taken before experiencing death. But as far as the possibility of a numerous number of others who were possibly translated the same, I cannot entertain that thought.

I'm increasingly concerned about the end times and noticed the US Congress has posted a bill H.R. 666. The number of the beast. It claims to be "Anti-Racism in Public Health Act of 2021" and declares "racism" a public health crisis. It gives CDC power to become law enforcement.

We have already seen the lies of the CDC from this recent 'pandemic' where they push out a high number of deaths to scare people, but quietly on their website admit that only 5% of the deaths are covid- which at last count is only 30k total deaths in the US. Meanwhile the 95% deaths are just normal deaths of normal causes which health providers relabel as covid to make more money. It's unbelievable deception and is hard to comprehend. It certainly seems like a strong delusion as the Bible describes.

To make it worse the VAERS database lists the reported deaths of the covid 'vaccine' and it's now up to 11k deaths with nearly a half million negative effects from it. Plus this is underreported since its voluntary so actual numbers could be 10 times this! But this info is being buried and hidden from the media, because its inconvenient to their power and control.

Think of the heartbroken families grieving their loved ones passing simply because they listened and believed what people on TV told them! They were fine, but now they're dead. Plus those vaccinated are getting covid just as much or more than unvaccinated. Plus, they're still forcing vaccinated to wear masks- which promotes bacterial pneumonia. Then, if vaccinated even more vaccines are pushed- like 'variants'. Pharma making billions of it. People have become human lab rats for this untested, unapproved experiment, all based on false assumptions and lies. It's horrifying and sickening!

Now this 666 bill will give CDC and people like Fauci even more power to control you. Is anyone else concerned about this path and think God is allowing satan to deceive the leaders of the US to oppress citizens and ruin this country?

Hi Earl.

I'm going to take your answer to the cherubim to another thread, Hopefully I will see you there, Because Chris who have started this thread asked:

"Was Satan a angel in the beginning and fought for God our fathers throne.

And thus there was a war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?"

We've walked all over him, It's amazing the question went unanswered for about 8 hours while you guys was pitching your views on another thread.

Hello David,

Pastors and church leadership are imperfect sinners like anyone else. Some feel threatened, feel insecure, feel they need to justify their job position to others or to themselves, and sometimes make misguided decisions, and false assumptions.

I don't know the context of the Psalms 41 mention, because in itself there's both positive verses like verse 2, but others could be potentially interpreted as negative. If I were to guess I'd say that pastors may feel pressure to grow the church and is a measure of their job performance and they may feel insecure when someone (especially someone who has been an integral member) leaves, because they may take it personally and goes against their goals.

That being said, pastors leave churches too then rationalize it at the time. Most missionaries are transient and move around to build and encourage churches- not really rooted in one place too long on average. That's what Paul did. I see leaving as a positive thing- new opportunities to serve others, meet a new community and who knows what else God can use you for. To claim that people moving somehow automatically means it's leaving God's house sounds disingenuous and manipulative to me. But I've heard all kinds of logical fallacies used in God's name used to manipulate and cause others guilt. I think this is very wrong. Pastors are in a position of influence and I've unfortunately heard them abuse their power before.

So, I would not let 1 persons opinion and possible insecure comments adversely affect you. It's hard to hear things like that instead of words of appreciation after committing so long to one church.

God bless...

Brother Jesse, everything in Old Testament was witness of the coming of Christ.

Since we call the Old Testament the law and prophets:

I BELIEVE the two witnesses represent the law and prophets, but the law and prophets are made up of dozens and dozens of saints that had they part in the Spirit's WORK.

As for Enoch and Elijah being translated. Scripture only mentions these two, but there could be innumerable, we don't know. These two are our example, as you said, we are translated the same way.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Richard Estrada

Not saying your picks are wrong some of them may be part of it. There is nothing wrong with searching for the truth. But more importantly, us being ready when Jesus comes. There are a lot of teachings out there and some are misleading. Doctrines are made by using prophecies that have been fulfilled, confusing great tribulation with the wrath of God, and more.

Have we exalted the last of the Christians more worthy to be saved from tribulation than 2000 years of Christians who were beheaded, burned alive, and more horrible deaths than we can even imagine, all of them dying in faith for Jesus' sake, they endured to the end?

Why should we be better than them? Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

The beast comes out of the bottomless pit, a king, the angel of the bottomless pit whose name means destruction. Angels are locked in chains of darkness until the judgment of the great day? These angels defiled the entire creation before the flood and God locked them up. Also, the angels cast out in Revelation 12, we have as Jesus said as the days of Noah, a time of trouble we can not imagine.

If Babylon is a mystery will we know until it is revealed and people are called out of her?

The beast will place himself above not just God our Father, but all gods of all religions, all that is worshiped, with the magnitude of power he will show, and with the false prophet, with sorcery, and power to give life unto the image and cause those to worship the image or be killed.

Since Jesus placed His blood on the holy place in heaven, there is no material temple on earth. Jesus in us, our body is the temple, the dwelling place of God. If a third temple is built, and if God has no use of it, how can there be an abomination of desolation, are people looking for something that cannot be, or has been already?

Just a little, keep studying, let the Holy Spirit be your guide.

RLW

Cynthia M Ogwo,

I can guarantee you that both Enoch and Elijah saw death in their day. If you are not taking into account that the writers are romanticizing their stories, you are being gullible. That's like thinking the sun stood still when that is scientifically impossible. Stop thinking Biblical figures can defy all laws of nature. These prophets slept with their fathers, like David. Discernment is key to keeping fantasy doctrine at bay.

Enoch & Elijah are not the 2 witness, think bigger. Just because anti-christ causes the waters to turn to blood, and the rain is withheld, doesn't mean its the work of Enoch & Elijah. Elijah is called to duty BEFORE the day of the Lord ( Malachi 4:5). The 2 witnesses are the ones in Revelation 7.

Jesse,

Please answer the questions you asked of me, first. Then I will have a better scope of your level.

Ray,

The 1st resurrection = 144k saints from great tribulation live

The 2nd resurrection = Everyone else lives

so does Proverbs 1 24-28 mean that some will wait to long to be able to repent and not be able to find God, including some who may have repented and backslid to long knowing right from wrong and choosing wrong? The way i read this is there will be some who get into trouble and after a life of sin try to find God to get out of trouble but don't really want to repent and so they won't find God. Is this correct?

Okay, Thanks for your spontaneous feedback and you would be preferring too the two oil trees standing before the God of the earth. Amen

Osseas you say it was a man in the garden I say I don't know because the bible doesn't say and I'm not going to guess. In 2 Peter 1:20 or 21 Gods word says the bible is of no private interpretation and the word private is ones own from the word idios, all other subject matters I,ll spitball on but when it comes to Gods word no. L know however Satan presented Himself was convincing enough to hold a conversation and break the only commandment God Gave her and adam.

Hi Earl , I don't know why I think this , I've thought it for a long time and never told anyone before , I have always , from my first reading of it ,thought or felt I'm not sure , that the four awesome creatures at the begining of Ezekiel represented the four Gospels ,Matthew Mark Luke and John , it sounds a bit foolish now I say it out loud , I guess I mean that they represent the Word of God , the Gospel of the Kingdom . Also , I've always thought that when the devil showed Christ all the kingdoms of the world and their glory that Christ saw a vision of all the future kingdoms , the technological advances , the promiscuity , the materialism etc , a lot of the things that many people in this world call "fun" . I'm not saying I'm right about any of these things , they are just my musings ! Hope you didn't laugh too hard !

Just putting this out here who does the Word of God say Jesus Christ came for.

The difference in the Gospel of John from the gnostic Gospels used to bother me. I saw it as more fanciful. But these days I have been viewing it, in part, as a letter to Muslims, to address their issues, written 500 years before Mohammed preached Islam (according to the standard Islamic narrative of Mohammed's biography). This springs out at you in the very first verse, of the very first chapter - which is written in terms that seem out of place but a Muslim would immediately grasp: "In the beginning was the Word,..." and later in verse 14 comes the kicker, "...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...."

Most Muslims are programmed to ask: "where in the Gospels does Jesus say 'I am God, worship me.'" (Islam emphasizes the majesty of God and that humans should make themselves slaves of God.) The Gospels of John address these concerns most directly, but Jesus, in John 15:15 addresses the nature of our relationship to God, we are no longer servants, but made friends with God. We are to have an intimate relationship with him.

But, in John 10:10, Jesus, compared himself directly with Mohammed. You see Mohammed started his career as a warlord first as a caravan robber, a thief. Western Civilization is based upon Christ's teachings (and a few of his commandments) among them are: separation of church and state, search for truth, value truth, avoid falsehood, freedom to search for truth, exercise of that freedom (the theology is worked out in the parable of the Prodigal Son), love and forgiveness. For people living in the West, these principles have given us a more abundant and full life - what a gift!

Today almost no Christian, living in the West, aspires to live in a Muslim majority country, but almost all Muslims living in a Muslim majority country aspire to live in the west. Islam threatened/encroached Western Civilization for about 1000 years. In that time about half of Christendom was lost to Islam. Today the West walks on the moon, Islam not so much.

What scripture tell that eating fish is the same as eating meats

I recently left the church, I have attended for many years, to attend the Church where my wife attends so that we may worship together. She had left the original Church for personal reasons and will not return. I did not talk with the Pastor about my leaving but did speak with the Head Deacon of the Church about this matter. On Sunday the Pastor mentioned my leaving, not by name, but did use the Psalm 41 passage as a reference. I am not his enemy but this is the impression I received from him with this reading. I am not leaving GOD'S house just moving on the way I feel the Lord is leading me to go. Appreciate your input.

OCEAS,

I am self taught from KJV. Every time I get curious I look how the internet interprets prophesy, and I have to laugh, dignity never been photographed. Going into the valley of dry bone dreams. I'm hooked on the resurrection doctrine ( Ezekiel 37:1-14).

Everyone with an opinion should say as they wish about the future; we should have a day(s) where we can guess what the hell is going on. Do current events ascribe to end-time Biblical events? No honest answer is wrong, dialog is the aim.

Thank you, Luke. Pray for peace over this comment room.

Bless you exceedingly

Use the SEARCH BOX when you enter this website. Type in 'Caught up in the Clouds' and you will see ALL scriptures that describe this Timing. Click on that link to read the chapter.

Or, just search "In the Clouds"

You are all right. If you search the word, Rapture, that word is NOT in the Bible. However, the event s in the Bible.

You can also Google: Caught Up, Bible

And see a lot of teachings on it. Just like in here.

Main thing is to use The KJV words, if that is your preferrence.

Hello, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly says Jesus will come and people will be caught up with Him in the air. That's what the Bible says, whether someone wants to deny it or believe it.

It appears some are trying discredit the Word of God for some unknown reason. Have you prayed about this? Why do you not believe 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and why do you call something in the Bible just a 'theory'?

The same old logical fallacy that a word isn't in the Bible therefore something isn't true has been debunked countless times, but we can do that again. The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so does that mean the Bible isn't the Bible? Using the same fallacy, the letter J didn't exist in the English language hundreds of years ago, so does that mean Jerusalem, Jews, and even Jesus didn't exist?

The Bible didn't mention for years whether Jesus ate food. Does that mean he was starving to death?

The Bible never used any words to describe if Jesus ever took a bath. Does that mean He never did?

The word 'bathroom' or 'restroom' or 'toilet' isn't even in the Bible, so does that automatically mean no one ever went to the 'bathroom' ever, including Jesus?

I think those are enough examples to debunk the already debunked claim that the word ____ isn't in the Bible therefore something isn't true. Pray and ask God with an open heart for wisdom and truth as we read the Bible.

First of all, the word rapture doesn't exist in bible scripture! What makes us better then Jesus? He suffered for us! We will be here in flesh until the very end. First anrichrist will come saying he is god. Some of us will face him and his bad angels. Read all of Revelation= " to reveal". There is scripture saying God is against this so called fly away doctrine= "Rapture theories! If we are in front of antichrist; we are not to think about what we will say. God will speak threw you. These fallen spirits will freak out. Yes, he will come back with 144,000 of the tribes of Israel, those that once were alive themselves. Some of us are from the 12 tribes and still living in flesh. I will find the scripture against the fly away doctrine, and get back to you quickly!

Sister Sacha, they are cherubim. But are cherubim literal, or do they represent something. Are the four creatures before the throne in Revelation literal, or do they represent something. Are the twenty four elders in Revelation literal, or do the represent something. Is the lamb in Revelation literal, or does it represent something. Is the tree in Revelation literal or does it represent something. When Jesus was taken to the top of the mountain and shown all the kingdoms of the world, was it literal (is there literally a mountain on earth tall enough to see everything on earth, no, it represents something.

The kingdom of God is like a HIDDEN treasure, it's SPIRIT. HIDDEN

We are searching out the HIDDEN

You are BORN AGAIN BY THE WORD OF GOD

This searching and digging is what leads us to TRUTH; one spoonful at a time, like a baby being fed.

Cynthia,

Neither Enoch nor Elijah saw death before God took them. They were taken from this earth before seeing death, the same way that we (Born again believers) who are alive will be taken when Christ comes for His church. We will be taken the same way God took Enoch and Elijah. Could these possibly be the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation chapter 11? The bible does not tell us the names of the two witnesses but it seems to fit. Why God took them, we are unsure. But I would have to believe that these two men were truly faithful to God in all their ways!

Hey Jesse Dianne one important point individuals miiss either its all Gods Word or its not, 2 Timothy 3:16+17, because in 2 Peter 1:20+21 Holy men spoke what holy spirit told them, i.e. Spirit From true God. To me John 12:44-50, also in psalms it states the Words of the lord are pure words, in Gospel of John Jesus Christ said He taught the disciples His fathers Words which are always true. Love this Stuff.