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What are your thoughts on this requirement?
We were introduced by a common friend. He had considered her. They worked together for years, but he knew her divorce left her financially shaky, and the entire reason for picking someone out was to have their salary to solve his problems.
I had no where to go. Shelters don't take pets, and my church had no help, so I went to stay with friends, who became angry that I didn't hate him. I suspect he is bipolar, as it runs in his family, though his immediate family doesn't admit it. I tried to get him to a physician, and he refused. An uncle was hospitalized in the 60's, and his mother was brutal. I tried to explain it is a medical issue, to no avail. But, I left my friends, who consider themselves Good Catholics (I am not Catholic), because they were angry that I refused to hate him. He has a mental illness. I'd never trust or live with him again. But, it isn't Christian behavior to hate or wish him ill/dead. In the end, they treated me exactly as he had, which hurt more. They gossiped to friends. They tried to give my things away, because in their opinion, I didn't need them. They made scenes in stores. They considered me unable to make decisions about my life because I had picked him, after all. They threw my things in storage, keeping something incredibly important. They criticized everything I said or did, and if I said something, I was playing the victim or too sensitive. It is always my fault, never their fault.
Churches have no plan for abuse. Leaving is the easy part. It is trying to recover that is a LONG hard process. Almost 2 years now, and nowhere near recovered.
I also believe the taking away in Luke is judgment. Some mistake the taking away here is the rapture and the ones left behind goes into the Tribulation.
But in the days of Noah the Group being taken away is taken away by the flood not the Ark.
Luke 17:26-31. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Your question was: When we are gathered one by one where do we go.
It's not as much a question of where do we go: BUT who do we become.
I BELIEVE we become sons of God when we depart this body of earthly flesh.
Matthew 24:40
I BELIEVE the one taken becomes a son of God and the one left stays on earth confined to death and the grave, awaiting the second resurrection.
Luke 17:37
I BELIEVE the battle of Armageddon has been going on for 2000 years. It's the battle of worldly flesh against Spirit. Your fleshly mind has to be DESTROYED. The eagles (vultures) eat flesh. I BELIEVE it's happening now, you just can not see it because it is a spiritual battle. I BELIEVE Revelation 19; along with many other scriptures, describes this DESTRUCTION of the flesh as a necessity before the the marriage of the bride (can't be seen). Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God.
Christ said my words are SPIRIT; the words being fulfilled, can't been seen.
Hebrews 12:18 For we ARE NOT COME unto the mount that can be TOUCHED ....
Hebrews 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion (can't be touched or seen) (the battle for the kingdom can't be touched or seen), and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (can't be touched of seen), and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to spirits of JUST men made PERFECT (mature).
If you have come into full maturity (being made perfect) then you are EXACTLY like the SEED you came from.
Luke 8:11 The parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of God.
You are a SON OF GOD. (but never with the glory of the firstborn, JESUS)
No sir, I'm not an author of any books.
Never heard of a third Adam.
A few months ago I posted a comment on this site on
1 Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
What's the story on the third Adam?
God Bless!!
as if being a pendulum
Some years ago il pray that the Lord take me out from my situation, who was at that time werry boring. Ill wantet more salvation and that ill get a work for Him.
Suddenly one day it knock on my door, and il promise you everything get no more boring! For that noise and activity have i never experienced in life. this was holding on for almost two years, after it felt like a lifetime. I was exhausted without my song in the heart. My tears was gone too.
But il get what il praid for.
Then after two years, alone and boring again. I'll remebered what I'll pray that boring day two years earlier. And I'll get ashamed becose i then understand that it was my selfish thoughts who had sent me in that direction. And worst of all. Ill lost so much!
In this morning July 12 2021 He let me remember that He Knows Everything From The begining of all things! He evan know all my hair, and yours mm. And in my heart I'll sing and pray all day again. And never ever I'll will ask for more than I'll already have. Ill pray for you my friend in Jesus, that you put on some patience shoe, and it is a good work to pray and give comfort. And remember:
2 Corinthians 10. 4. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;
5. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6. And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. Amen Go in Peace in Jesus name.
Acts. 16
30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Amen
When we die, the spirit goes back to God and our soul sits in Hades, awaiting resurrection.
Look up Lazarus and the rich man and father Abraham.
Since 1 Thessalonian 4:17 occurs at the last trumpet, equivalent to Revelation 11:15, it is the first resurrection of the sealed saints only. The dead rise first before the living, therefore this is a small, treasured group of people, and not the whole group. Revelation 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand...These sealed saints overcame the beast and his mark, they are virgins who will rule with Christ for 1K years. Who among us can be described like that, and who will make it to the end alive?
IT IS NOT Ezekiel 37:1-14 either (2nd resurrection), because here BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah) are being resurrected and stand up as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. AND THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!!
This "lifting up" event is misinterpreted so badly, seeing that billions and billions of Christian sinners will require a new earth and new heaven to accommodate them all. Everyone involved should humble their place in line. Counting yourselves among the Revelation 14:4 saints is rather precarious, indeed. Does man immediately deserve to stand alongside the elect saints, and Jesus Christ?
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The second resurrection is for the rest, other than the elect, of which the majority are not. When the fast bullets fly, we will get a new perspective on Hebrews 9:27.
I must have missed your posting on this over a year ago. I also posted the 7 Steps of a Jewish wedding a long while back, probably over a year ago, maybe two? You may not have read what I had posted on the 7 steps. If you could see what I posted and what you just posted, you would be "blown away" that we both said the exact same thing. I just think that it's sort of eerie that we would both post the exact same thing word for word. I mean literally word for word in all seven steps. What are the odds of that?
If you don't mind me asking, where did you get those 7 steps of a Jewish wedding from? What I shared came from a pastor whose ministry I sat under for several years. I took it from an audio transcript from one of his bible studies I attended. This was about 10 years ago. I also have the written transcript of his audio. I just read it and it matches perfectly word for word the same thing you and I both posted.
Timothy sims up the given times
Only one person has been "born again" being resurrected from death. That person was Jesus.
"Born again Christian's" and "rapturists" drink from the same well.
When misguided faith merges with religious dogma, God's word suffers, and the people are lead astray.
"Sin that doesn't bother you as before". Usually, the reason for this dilemma, is because we have been entertaining that sin in our lives for too long, making it acceptable & justifiable in our minds. And when that one sin becomes acceptable, usually there are other sins that are lining up for your approval. Sin has to be seen for what it is. To the person without Christ, he has a list of commandments in the Bible, even his own conscience, that will alert him to what is sin & what displeases God. To those in Christ, the Holy Spirit within immediately checks our spirit & thoughts when sin is at the door or has even been allowed inside.
Suggestions? Go back into the Word, read & digest what God sees as sin & bring up that sin(s) before Him. Is there anything other than that specific sin that is holding back the Spirit of God from speaking to you? Even things such as wilfulness, obstinacy, anger, pride can be easily overlooked, that prevents the Spirit from breaking through to speak to your heart.
"Experiencing godly sorrow". Godly sorrow is a wonderful thing. The counterpart is a heart full of praise. In both experiences, the heart is deeply affected: one, where there is a wrenching of spirit, being overcome by the depth & volume of sin, & the other, a heart full of uncontainable joy as we get lost in the wonder of the greatness & graciousness of our God.
When a heart is filled with godly sorrow (as for sin), all it can do is cry out in anguish & for mercy. Take hold of God's Word & its Promises. I think of Mark 2:17: "(Jesus) saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." It is Jesus' Call to all sinners (those sick in soul): that there is full healing when there is repentance.
To your specific question now: it is true, because of Adam & Eve's disobedience & the sin nature taking root in their lives, that they lost that special intimacy that they had with their Creator. And as Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 59:2: "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his (God's) face from you, that he will not hear." Whenever man entertains sin in his life, he can't expect God to speak & direct him. Israel was the chosen people of God & God poured out His Love upon them. Even though they, like us, inherited the sin nature from our first parents, God still loved them & made them His special possession. Yet, they still abused that Love & sinned & served the gods of the nations around them. But God did not stop speaking & continued to persevere with them, giving them warnings; & this He did by the prophets.
But those of the gentile nations to whom God had not revealed Himself & were wholly given to all manner of wickedness, God was silent. Though His Word did not come to them, His punishment did, when Israel was tasked to conquer their lands & wipe them out. Even in this, Israel disobeyed God, & so suffered because of them, both physically & spiritually. God has always spoken to His people through the prophets & now, through His Son ( Hebrews 1:1,2). And yet, as the Gospel goes out, people refuse to heed the cry of God for all men everywhere to repent & turn to Him ( 2 Peter 3:9).
God still speaks - but man still refuses to listen & call upon Him.
You do not believe in a rapture of the church but believe we are gathered one by one? Those who are gathered, where do they go?
One of the verses you used is Matthew 24:40 which says, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. There are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken?
Some say they are taken into judgment (Which I myself believe). Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.
But in Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are not taken to be with the Lord. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. The book of Revelation tells us that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells us that they are taken for judgment.
In Luke 17:37, they ask Jesus where the one that is taken goes. Jesus says "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." These are actually vultures. He's talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. And the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses? These people have been drawn out into the battle. So He is talking about His day. So these people who are taken are not taken to be with the Lord.
As far as a rapture, you make no mention of the phrase "caught up" used in 1 Thess. chapter 4, nor do you mention that chapter at all, the chapter those who believe in a rapture use. The Greek word is HARPADZO which means to be snatched up by force. What are your thoughts on those who are forcefully snatched up?