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1 Corinthians 15:2-8 (Part 2)

Secondly in verse 4, it says and He was buried. Some commentaries will not list this as a second thing, but it is just important as all the rest. When you bury someone, you have proven that they died. They buried Him. And they put soldiers outside because they remembered that Jesus said He would rise on the 3rd day. The soldiers guarded the tomb. What they were doing by that is that they were helping God prove that there was a resurrection because Christ was raised while they were there.

Thirdly, He rose again the 3rd day according to the scriptures. Again, Psalm 16, especially verses 9 to 11 about the resurrection of Christ.

And then fourthly in Verse 5, He was seen. It's not just the first three in that He died, was buried, and rose, but He was seen!

Verse 6: After that, and the phrase "after that" shows succession. He's giving it to us in order. He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remains unto this present day, but some are fallen asleep. The word death literally means separation. The spirit leaves the body, and the physical body just lies dead, sleeping! But the person's spirit is still alive.

Fallen asleep is the Christian phrase and designation for death. There are two reasons why Christians use the word sleep for death. One reason is because if you ever seen someone lying in a casket, it looks like they are sleeping. Secondly, death indicates permanency, where sleep is just temporary.

I will close out verses 7 and 8 in one more post.

Lex,

There is a lot to share from 1 Corinthians 15:2-8 so I had to break this section up.

1 Corinthians 15:2-8 (Part 1)

Verse 2: It says by which, or more literally, through which you are also being saved. Please notice that I put the word "being" in there because it is a passive continually abiding in a process of being saved. When a person is saved, that is not the finish line. It is the starting line. When you're saved, you're saved. So you've been saved in the past. You are being saved now in that your salvation is being worked out. And in the future, you will be saved!

So it's a constant process of salvation. It doesn't mean that we're any less saved last month than we are today. It's just that salvation is a process that continues to work in us because first we are delivered. And that's what saved means. We are delivered from Satan. But then there's a restoration process where we are healed in the renewing of our minds.

Paul says that we remain in this process. Once we are saved, we are always in the process of being saved. So in order for a person to not be saved, they just have to drop out as to say I no longer belong in the process. Well then, they never were to begin with because it is a continuous process. The characteristic of a person who is truly saved is the person to whom God ministers His word to them, and it is received in their spirit, and it remains there (MENO).

Verse 3: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received. Galatians 1:12 tells us that Paul received his gospel from Jesus Christ. So he's telling them that he delivered to them the same gospel he received from Christ.

There are 4 things in the content of the gospel message in the Greek text. First of all, how Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures ( Psalm 22, Isaiah 53).

Part 2 to be continued:

Hi Lex,

Do you mean your original question at the top of this thread?

I think struggle is common and normal. Paul openly admitted struggling with the flesh. I think this life is a test of our character and an ongoing challenge to emulate Jesus. We're sinners by nature, and we're covered by grace when we are genuine Christ followers. There's plenty of stuff to practice and be proactive with: armor of God, fruit of spirit, being a good neighbor, disclipling others, evangelism, etc.

I think part of the great deception is satan convincing Christians its ok to commit unlimited sin that our actions have zero consequence and we're getting in heaven regardless. It's unbiblical, is self-contradictory, and dangerous in my opinion. Satan is the father of all lies and behind pretty much every lie. I suppose some believe think satan is deceiving us into being more obedient than we need to be? What a strange argument. Obviously its the opposite, that most people are going to hell, including deceived Christians who stopped following Jesus and are unknowingly following the world (satan). Then our beliefs will be attacked if we attempt to call it out, which is interesting.

If everyone was going to heaven regardless, pretty much all of the new testament and all the teachings of Jesus wouldn't be relevant according to that view. But the reality is the opposite and some really should fear God. He's not just a buddy who gave a hall pass to commit unlimited sin and he's not a genie in a lamp there to serve us- quite the opposite. God hasn't given anyone immunity from judgment. 2 Corinthians 5:10 - there's someone on here who even claimed that Hitler will go in heaven. Deception and ignorance.

We need to get our act together and fast, because end times are near and judgment is near. Jesus already predicted what will happen- most will assume they're going to heaven, but they won't: Matthew 7:22

It's through grace we hope to be saved, but we MUST follow Him (ongoing action).

Lex,

Picking up with Galatians 5:4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law;

What Christ did for you on the cross will have no effect on your life whatsoever if you're going to try to be justified by the law rather than faith in Jesus Christ.

But then it says you are fallen from grace, and this is where we sit and debate this one phrase. Please allow me to break it down for you. The word fallen is actually a nautical term. It's from the shipping industry and it's when a ship gets off course. An example would be found in Acts 27:32, when Paul and the others were involved in the ship disaster. The soldiers cut off the rope from the boat and let it fall off. The word fall is the same word for getting off course. Just let the boat drift. There's no set course.

Basically, what Paul is telling them is that they had stopped functioning in the sphere of grace. That statement is very important to understand. They stopped functioning in the sphere of grace and began functioning in legalism. The two don't match!

Some teach that this means they lost their salvation. But it means to be off course. A perfect example would be the story of the prodigal son. The prodigal son never lost his position as a son. He never lost it! He squandered much of the provision of the promises for him of his father, but he never lost his position as a son.

You see, that's what happens when a believer gets off course and follows teaching that is not correct. We get off course but we don't lose our salvation. We don't lose our son-ship as a child of God.

I'll go over with you 1 Corinthians 15:2-8 next. There's a bit to share in those seven verses.

TO PATRICIA: if God has called you to do something, He will give you the strength to do it. Even when the flesh is weak, the Spirit is strong! Trust in Him. I don't know your situation, but I know that God's Word and daily fellowship with Him through prayer is the only way to communicate your feelings to God and for Him to talk to you. He hears your prayers if you are in fellowship with Him! He can give you strength, even when the journey is tough. He will help you not to be afraid. "What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee." Trusting God solves almost every problem in the Christian life. He knows what is best, even when we don't. Trust Him on the day to day basis; walk with him, and He will show Himself real and true to you even more than you could have imagined! The journey is real; we all face the same struggles in different ways.

"Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go." - Joshua 1:9

"The Lord is my refuge and strength, an ever present help in troublesome times. Therefore will I not fear, though the earth move and the mountains are cast into the sea." I hope this is a blessing to you! I will pray for you!

Trying to find the scripture beginning: Whatsoever things are

I have thinking about scriptures and wondering if apostates know that they are such.Then how many people are deceived or misguided about these scriptures? That is actually really sad to think about.

You wrote: ..."You know and expose the US as a shoe-in for the daughter of Babylon, but still can't see America for who they are, or come to terms with her fate."

When you write "you" it sounds like you are judging or assuming my beliefs, which you don't know. This is the 2nd time in a row you've made assumptions about people. It's weird, because you're saying things to people who may agree with much of what you say until you start making up stuff about what others may or may not believe.

I also see some scriptures from 1 Timothy 1:19, 1 Timothy 4:1, 1 Timothy 5:8, 1 Timothy 6:10, 1 Timothy 5:12

Adam,

America will exit from being militarily overpowered by China, with Russia leading the charge. When America pushes too far east, they will fall hard, and the world will witness the death Mystery Babylon. The Arab world will break out in song.

You know and expose the US as a shoe-in for the daughter of Babylon, but still can't see America for who they are, or come to terms with her fate. Who's left on the planet that fits such end-time descriptions? Today, now, with the back and forthing, blaming Russia fits Revelation 17 perfectly. Putin showering US leaders with flatteries, and all this doesn't register? Do you want a list of scriptural traits? God, according to the prophets, is not on America's side, neither Israel's, and God joins forces fight with our enemies, Russia and China, to suddenly bring America down to hell. If you think America/Israel survive the coming day of the Lord, abomination of desolation, you are not an honest watchman. It's equivalent to saying, if America survives the sixth trumpet strike, Jesus would return at the seventh trumpet to defeat America and the beast army at His second coming. Fat chance.

Hello again Lex,

2 Peter 2:20: For if they have escaped the pollutions of the world, and please notice this: (Through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ). They have responded to the truth, the facts about Jesus. And they've come and said yes, this is true. And they are entangled therein, and they are overcome. The concept is: the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. (Read the Parable of the Sower to see what category the "they" in verse 20 represent.

2 Peter 2:21: Notice the emphasis is on what they know. They haven't surrendered their life to Christ. But these false teachers came into the church and they latched onto false teachers that taught them how to go out into the world and get sin "In the name of Jesus." The last state is worse than the first.

2 Peter 2:22: But it happened unto them (A fulfilment of Proverbs 26:11). But it has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow, that is, the pig that is washed to the wallowing in the mire.

You can wash a pig all day long but it will always return to the mud. It's the same with people. They can be clean on the outside, but filthy on the inside. There has to be transformation and change. Cleaning people on the outside does no good. A person has to be cleansed from within.

The "them" in verse 22 are the same ones being spoken of in verse 20. These are not saved people walking away. Please read those three verses and think about it. Again, the Parable of the Sower would help in understanding who these three verses are speaking of.

I go over Galatians 5:4 in another post.

Heb. 7:16-18 = These verses provide additional reasons the priesthood required a "change" (v.12) from the Levitical priesthood through Aaron to the "Order of Melchisedec" (v.11):

1st, the death of former Levitical priests always required subsequent replacements (v.23).

The repetitious replacements of the Levitical priests necessitated a "change" (v.12) in the "Order" of the priesthood from the temporary "the Order of Aaron" to that of the permanent "the Order of Melchisedec" (v.11; Ps. 110:4).

LORD JESUS CHRIST occupies this "changed" priestly Order, for "HE taketh away the first (animal sacrifices by the Levitical priests), that HE may establish the second (CHRIST's own bodily Sacrifice)" ( Heb. 10:9).

This "second" establishment effectively and permanently "sanctified [the believing worshippers] through the offering of the Body of JESUS CHRIST once for all" ( Heb. 10:10; cp. Heb. 7:25).

2nd, the Law, through "commandment" provided the process of priestly succession. Note, here, this commandment is described as "carnal" (v.16) {pertaining to the flesh}, meaning the commandment only applied to human priests in the blood line of the Levitical tribe.

The term "carnal" also speaks of each of the Levitical priest's brief temporariness in office. Death ended each priest's tenure in contrast to that of Melchesidec's (v.3), and of CHRIST's Eternal Priesthood (vv. 16, 21 & 24-25).

3rd, while Levitical priests received their authorization merely through a "carnal commandment", JESUS CHRIST received HIS authorized Priestly appointment through a DIVINE Heavenly Proclamation (v.17).

4th, the very fact that this "commandment" is "carnal", meaning as it pertains only to the sequentially authorized replacements of human priests, it is inherently characteristic of "weakness" and "unprofitableness" worthy of "disannulling" (v.18).

Lex,

I gave you my word that I would study those verses with you. Here is my understanding of these scriptures one at a time. This may take more than one post. If I can fit more than one verse in a post, I will do so.

2 Peter 3:17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

The word steadfastness and the word unstable in verse 16 mean the same thing in reference. Your steadfastness is your solid maturity. But if you follow false doctrine it will make you unstable and expose you to all kinds of spiritual problems. In verse 16, he is telling them that the apostle Paul has taught these very same things that I am telling you.

It says beware. So be watching for yourself. Guard yourself, lest you be led away, and you fall from your own steadfastness. It has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do with maturity. It has to do with firmness, solidity in Christ.

Hebrews 3:12: Take heed, (pay attention) brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. These are special words used in the book of Hebrews for unbelief. It literally means to reject the persuasion of God's Spirit. A true believer under the influence of God's Spirit would never do that.

The word departing is the word apostasy. A Believer cannot commit apostasy. An unsaved person who is following along with the teachings, being enlightened, and maybe even agreeing, but when hardship and persecution comes, they depart. Those are the ones who commit apostasy.

More to follow:

Hello, you wrote: " You've been given clews, but still hold America a queen, head and shoulders above the rest." But if you read Mishael's comment, what you wrote doesn't sound true. Nothing suggests she holds America up- so I'm not sure where that assumption comes from.

I think the USA is failing in front of our eyes. A delusion has fallen over people where it prefers lies over truth. It's feelings based (from misinterpreting things) over facts based. Rampant immorality: they attempt to justify sodomy by using words like 'pride'. They attempt to justify mass murder of babies by the word 'choice'. They are violating the constitution of human rights by the word 'hate'- allowing them to censor, shut down any political opponents or freedom of thought. They demonized the police and make false assumptions about situations so they can put police in prison and let violent terrorists roam the city streets. Illegal aliens who commit crimes sneaking in are rewarded with money and free room and board while the citizens themselves are in poverty and homeless. The corrupt leaders of the US don't even like the country and want to give everything away (which steals from the citizens)- but they give mostly to China, and now to Russia (pipeline), and to millions illegals. Really sickening seeing this unfold.

But I'm not sure its' Babylon, which is a city. Rev. 21:11-22:5 and I'm not sure its Gog or Magog: Revelation 20:8-9. It's very possible that the USA will basically collapse and not even be on the map before the end times. It's likely that China will take it over or something.

Hi Lex,

I'm at work right now.

Will converse with you later.

Thanks and God bless.

Brother Adam,

If we aren't able to physically or monetarily help we can surely pray, I will. Amen Brother.

You are so correct I battle with a certain sin and sometimes I go years staying away but at a certain point find myself giving in I don't want to fall anymore I love God and I want to show him I love him by the way I live and not sin!

We only fool ourselves when we bend the bible scripture to make it comply with "Our Worldly Lifestyle".

Proverbs 14:12

"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

God Bless

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1. Therefore, we can no longer bear the support for we think you are well alone in Athens,

Its ove Papa..

Who were called the sons of God that came before God when satan attended

Alex, this blessed me just now. Thank you so much!

Explain verse 10

That is where I am at, don't know if you can see my question about thoughts and falling away but would you be willing to read it?

Amen Mountain Preacher GBU . But many times i think of that scripture. The spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us Free from that law of sin and death . And if be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME.

I have been worried about falling away and I am not sure if you saw my previous question about that. So this isn't just something that I write about in theory, it is incredibly important because of my relationship with God. I have been struggling with my faith and concerned about my salvation, so understanding these scriptures is something I do not take lightly.

For i am the son and servant of God almight

Alex: Every child of God has a sin that they struggle with. They find themselves tempted by this sin over and over again. Occasionally they will fall into this sin out of spiritual weakness or even depression. They hate this sin and when they find themselves doing it they are reminded by the Holy Spirit just how ungodly they have been. However they must go to God and ask forgiveness again in order to restore the fellowship with Jesus Christ although they don't feel worthy to do so.

Waking at 3am. Where can i find it in kjv bible

what does this chapter 1kings 20 signify to our modern days and which scripture in the new testament supports this passage of scripture.

Thanks God bless you as he gives you proper interpretation of this chapter.

There is Law, and there is Grace. Jesus was criticized for picking fruit on the Sabbath, or praying for the sick.

God made it more simple than some people realize. Whichever day your work week STARTS is your "Monday." Most people in the USA work a 5 day week, but if yours is different; you can choose your DAY OF REST. Which usually involves attending Church. Lunch can involve eating and discussing the sermon that morning. Make your own comments on it like we do here. Try not to delegate that. Everyone should should be able to comment upon the scriptures.

God is omnipresent so he's in all churches no matter what day or what time.

In Genesis it was work 6 days and then Sabbath: the Day of Rest. (Church day).

In our modern culture we work 5 days and play 2 days. Church may be optional in some families. :(

More important is to find a church you feel welcomed in; hear the Word of God in sermon; praises and worship; tithes; fellowship after.

Even better, get involved with some kind of "ministry" as a member of Christ's Body. The men usually have "breakfast meetings" some set day.

God is saying for us to Rest. Time to study the Bible. Pray for family or friends. Be kind to your wife.

I wish people would realize the Ten Commandments originated in the time of Moses. God covenanted with the children of Israel. It was in force until Jesus began his ministry. He reaffirmed the commandments in Matthew 5. Matthew 22:36-40. I think the Pharisees hated Jesus because he wasn't as strict as they. Loving each other and our neighbors is hard, for some people.

Consider these things and choose God. What did He say? How did Jesus respond? We're following Jesus, as his disciples in 2021. There is NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

He's not going to gig us for what day we go to Church. We are under Grace. Period.