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Mishael,

Is it any wonder who Mystery Babylon is? You've been given clews, but still hold America a queen, head and shoulders above the rest. What you gonna do when they come for you?

Well as I wrote I looked up those verseso, and by no means think that Christians are meant to be perfect. Just that everyone has free will and it is possible to drift away from God or get caught up in sin and hardened by it to the point that they refuse to submit to God the Father anymore. However I also think that the Holy Spirit helps people abide in Christ. Still learning and open to discussion.

Hi Prasanth Konde --> on Judges 2 - who is the Angel name in verse 1?

How to get to his name? Actually he is an archangel. He is a warrior.

He is the same who appeared to Moses in the mount Sina- Exodus 3:v.1-2 and Acts 7:v.30-33;

It is he who appears between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel in Exodus 14:v.19-20;

GOD reveals to Moses how the behaviour of this angel is. He is severe. Exodus 23:v.20-23

It is he who stood in the way for an adversary against Balaam with his sharp Sword: Numbers 22:v.22 onwards;

Joshua saw him in Jericho when he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his Sword drawn in his hand. Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain (or Prince) of the host of the Lord am I now come.

His name? Daniel 12:v.1-3

Lex,

You seem to be a lot more versed than you originally appeared. You have a lot more to give than to receive!!

I would like to add a thought rather than a verse because I believe Jesse has given

excellent scriptures and I couldn't improve on that.

YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN AND WILL LOOSE SALVATION IF YOU'VE EARNED IT,

Once you have it you better be perfect in order to keep it! Because Gods sacrificial Lamb was perfect. It's not just your actions that will be tested with fire!! God judges the Heart and the intent of Man, the thoughts also. And there is no more sacrifice. The works of the Law could never make one Perfect. And you have to Remain PERFECT. We have nothing to offer the Lord by the flesh. We worship the Lord in truth and in spirit and the only way we can do that is by the Holyspirit, That's what we call the inner Man, And it's at constant war with our flesh because the flesh is weak, God will judge the secrets of man, Craftiness and dishonesty, Lusts, Anger without a cause, doubt.

I will give you another that's hard to control, "Pride" SIN is inward as well outward!!

Certainly a Christian have a life change in his walk of life once converted but NOT to the degree where he can say move out the way Holyspirit I got it from here!!

We submit ourselves to the Lord and let the spirit guide us and when we do well ALL GLORY TO GOD!

We are Clothed in Christ righteousness! We are hidden in Christ!

We walk by faith! ( Even that's given to us)

We are predestinated.

Again the sacrifice was perfect, So if it's up to us to remain perfect then you better be!! From here on out!!

If you can loose salvation I'm sure this comment is going to cause some people to do so. But if you're saved you shouldn't worry.

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, NOR ANY OTHER CREATURE, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ JESUS.

WE'RE CREATURES, WE CAN'T EVEN SEPARATE OURSELVES!!!

Lets Just be sure we have it.

God bless and Goodnight.

Brother Kenneth, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

What ever sin you see in yourself; GOD DOES NOT SEE.

The WORKS of Christ REMOVED them as far as the east is from the west.

WE ALL murdered Christ.

His last words were Father FORGIVE THEM.

Stand in that Forgiveness.

Just give thanks for his WORKS OF SALVATION.

Draw nigh to me and I will draw nigh to you.

Rev. Bob Blaine:

I agree with Jesse, he gave a great answer, it is also called Gehenna, a destination of the wicked. Jesus used Gehenna as an illustration of hell (the lake of fire), the fire that shall never be quenched. This is a parable; in the Hebrew tradition Abrahams bosom was a place where the righteous dead would go. Excluding the context; is the point of this parable to show when we die, we go to heaven or hell as many teach?

The Jewish people of the time of Jesus had been influenced by Babylonian and Hellenistic Greek cultures. The Pharisees were covetous, they flaunted their wealth and the seat of authority they had. Is this parable describing a holding place where the redeemed can live in peace and safety but can look and even talk across a vast chasm with the sufferings of the sinners in torment?

This parable also does not fit all of scripture, if we receive our reward as soon as we die, as said, we go to heaven or hell. In the text of Luke16 Jesus is talking to Pharisees and scribes and in context, Jesus covers stewardship, love of riches, adultery and no servant can serve two masters.

Many scriptures tell us when we will receive our reward and it is not when we die. Here are just a few and they all agree it is at the second coming of Jesus Christ. ( Matthew 16:27) ( 1 Corinthians 1:7-8) ( 1 Corinthians 15:22-23) ( 1 Thessalonians 2:19) ( Revelation 22:12).

I am sorry if this offends, I did not want to take away of Jesse's answer, but I feel some verses are taken out of context to teach untruths. If this parable is about how to escape hell and go to heaven when you die, then the lesson of the story is that eternal life can be earned by being poor. I'm sure many will disagree including you.

RLW

It's hard to deny what the Bible so clearly says. Here are more verses saying the same thing about salvation. Jesus warned his followers many times through parables that most will go to hell. Judas was a follower until he turned his back on Jesus and sold Him out. He faced a horrible death and likely will go to hell. Christians unfortunately turn their backs on Jesus today- sometimes even prominent ones, including pastors, worship leaders, ministers. The common response I hear is either denial or 'they were never Christian'- then I ask them their definition of a Christian and then usually don't get a response. The Bible says all those things about security of salvation, but you can't stop reading there, this assumes you're following Jesus and many do for a period of time, but then start following the world or satan directly, without even realizing how far they have drifted. The Bible says to fear God. He will judge you and where you will go. Most won't take it seriously, will goof off, live for pleasure and will go to hell. People need to be warned of this so they will actually follow Jesus, and avoid the disaster that awaits. Jesus's parables were quite clear and He pounded that message into people. People who don't follow Jesus's commandments don't love Jesus. They might say they do, believe they do, but they don't if continue in sin.

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

Romans 11

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 12:31-32

Romans 14:12

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'

Quoted:>>>Mishael

The war in heaven took place before the book of Genesis.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; the dragon fought and his(evil) angels,

8 And prevailed not;neither was their place found any more in heaven. Regarding the verse 7 above, the angels(messengers) of the current time or time of Apocalypse, actually followers of the Dragon-Satan- are not those which GOD "hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this Great Day - the Lord's Day - but the fallen angels(messengers) of the Churches, MINISTERS of Satan - 2 Cor.11: v.13-15:

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS also be transformed as the MINISTERS of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



---> The Dragon-Satan- has 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.

The battle is against this SATANIC RELIGIOUS MONSTER, the 7 heads are 7 mountains, and the 7 crowns refers to 7 kings( Revelation 17:v.9-10, right?).

The 10 HORNS are more 10 KINGS ( Revelation 17:v.10), which have received no kingdom as yet; but will receive power as KINGS one hour with the Beast (the Beast of sea-Rev.13:v.1-10).

13 These (10 KINGS) have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the Beast.(to the Beast of sea)

14 These (the Dragon, the Beast of sea, the 10 KINGS) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Eph.6:v.12

--->Heaven?In what heaven are we now according Eph.1:v.3?

Heavens?2Pe.3:7

Your welcome Jeff.

I wont fill you with the ole platitudes like lead by example, don't let your heart get hardened, show your son and his wife the respect and honor you desire, to humble yourself before the LORD in this matter, continue to pray and to remember that the outcome you desire may not be in alignment with God's plan or your child's free will. These are all things you already know so again I wont expound on them. I will say Be patient, kind, understanding, loving, prayerful & accepting of whatever the outcome. These things are VERY easy for me to say from the outside looking in but for your well being (body & soul) it's what you should consider. I will continue to pray for you and your family. Your brother in Christ.

Tim

Here are some scriptures I looked up that indicate that believers can fall from grace, depart from the faith, or apostatize. Once again I do not know everything and if I am wrong I appreciate insight and discussion.

2 Peter 3:17

Luke 8:5-18

1 Timothy 4:1

2 Peter 2:20-22

Hebrews 3:12

Galatians 5:4

1 Corinthians 15:2-8

Comment by Mishael: God had purposed to kill the idol worshippers, BUT, Moses interceded on their behalf. It says God changed his mind. (He does hear our prayers for people)

The LORD's next statement to Moses is dramatic and terrifying: "Now let me alone, so that . . . I may consume them" (32:10). The LORD plans to destroy all the Israelites there in the wilderness and end the whole experiment with God's chosen people. Moreover, the LORD makes Moses a tempting offer: "I will make you a great nation" (32:10). In effect, the LORD offers to Moses the chance to become a new Abraham, the sole originator of a whole new people who will be a substitute for the destroyed Israelites (see Genesis 12:1-3).

Moses' Intercession:

Moses denies himself the opportunity to become a new Abraham. Instead, Moses prays and intercedes for Israel with three strong reasons why the LORD should not carry out the planned destruction of the Israelites.

1. Remember, these are not my people. They are "your people," LORD, whom "you brought out . . . of Egypt" (32:11).

2. Destroying your own people, Israel, in the wilderness would be bad for your international reputation. What would the Egyptians say? (32:12)

3. Remember the promises of land and descendants that you made to Abraham, Isaac and Israel/Jacob long ago. You always keep your promises! (32:13)

Moses had not always been successful in changing God's mind in the past (see the call of Moses in Exodus 3:7-4:17). But advocating for others, denying one's own interests, and appealing to the mercy of God has a particularly powerful effect that God takes very seriously. In this case, remarkably, in response to Moses' prayer, "the LORD changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people" (32:14).

As it happened, they wandered 40 yrs until the older generation died and were buried; on the Egypt side of the Jordan River.

Mishael

Every pet I've had that died; I pray they'll be in heaven giving leg rubs to everyone sitting on a bench.

When I think of heaven, I always think there's animals because it says that their natures will be changed. The lion will lay down with the lamb. Lion and Lamb are 2 of Jesus's names too.

Sure will Brothrr Adam.

Thanks and God bless.

The Bridegroom's love is expressed to the Bride in the words, "His desire is toward me", and because of this she knows that everything in life is meant for her good, including every test. Also, the Bride has reached maturity in her relationship with her Bridegroom, because she places Him first: "I am my beloved's", instead of second, as she did in the beginning of this Song.

In Austin TX, every year people make donations or money; all around the area; or they buy the fan and drop it off. It was announced daily on the weather news channel on tv.

The fans are distributed to the elderly and those who can't afford high energy prices. It's a group effort and everyone pitches in.

I'm going to praise God right now for the cool late spring we've had in Texas, and the blessing of rain!! Praise God!!!!

In the book of Job, we see that God oversees the stores of snow, ice and rain. With the greatest child-like faith, remember the poor in our bedtime prayers every night. Not remembering God for the many blessings he has given to us, is a little arrogant (my thought).

I'm just gonna say it: it was pure crowd rage and violent demonstrations from 22+ and up, kids that were United by Facebook and Twitter that elected a man that dictates: satisfying the save the planet rant; so behind the scenes aid to Israel is being cut off. Money is being given to the Palestinians so they can get more rockets to fire on Israel.

YOU WILL experience the correction of God in the Books of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28.

When we bless Israel, God blessed our nation in prosperity and plenty. The curses on America will be seen every day, on tv and youtube, of incredible drought, water loss, less land to be farmed (sold to the Chinese) Higher Prices at the grocery and all restaurants and internet foods.

What are we going to do about old people without A/C ... and no food? Food distribution lines may go away. I'm not a one-legged dog barking at squirrels. The Bible actually says foreigners will come into our nation and take our food, our goods. China owns 1+ million acres of USA farmland. Your delinquent 20+ kids will eat up your food and demand money.

Read slowly, those 2 Books I mentioned.

The drought will end when we Repent As A Nation. Scripture does not lie. Consider this a: thus saith the Lord.

Bless Israel, is my advise.

M.

Maybe they helped Paul when Paul wasn't able to? Paul could have been in prison or otherwise needing assistance.

Paul refers to Titus helping him before:

2 Corinthians 12:18 and with him sent a "brother" who may have been Lucas.

2 Corinthians 2:13

2 Corinthians 7:6

Rev Bob Blaine,

The rich man was the only one who had a funeral. There was no funeral for the poor beggar (Lazarus). What they used to do with the poor people in those days is take them over to the Valley of Henom which was right outside the city of Jerusalem. It was basically the garbage dump. People would throw their garbage over into the Valley of Henom which was constantly burning. And they would take the bodies of the poor people and just throw them over. There was no burial for the poor because they couldn't afford it. So the beggar died, was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom, and the rich man also died and was buried.

Why at the end of 2 Corinthians does your bible say it was written by Titus and Lucas, when it was written by Paul?

Peter,

There are places in scripture that make it seem as though the two words (made/created) are interchangeable. Having very little knowledge of Hebrew, I did a little bit of reading and there are two different Hebrew words used. For create, it is the word BARA. And for made, the Hebrew word is ASAH. I can't share much on these words due to very little knowledge of the Hebrew language. But I can share with you what I was taught over the years. In Genesis chapter 1, we are told that God created the heavens and the earth. We are also told that God made man.

What I have learned to be the difference between the two words is that when God created the heavens and the earth, He did so from out of nothing. In other words, He simply spoke things into existence. But when God made man, He formed man out of the dust of the ground, something that already was in existence. Maybe this is a lame answer but hopefully someone can share more on those two words from a Hebrew perspective which would better answer your question.

Please pray for those enduring the heat wave in the NW USA and Western Canada. I pray the frail and elderly endure this with minimum loss of life. Many don't have any air conditioning so this is especially worrisome.

"a little season" is the same amount of time given in two distinct events: Revelation 6:11 & Revelation 20:3. From Revelation 6:11 we discover that "a little season" is the time between the fifth seal and the seventh trumpet. This indicates that the devil in Revelation 20:3 has the same amount of time being loosed in Rev 6:11.

Revelation 6:11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as theywere, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Lauren, I greatly appreciate that... My wife (62) came with me today as we did mechanical work that my son always did. It was hot and the job of grueling. We're gonna need physical and spiritual strength.

Sometimes we make it harder to understand. Many voices. Just as people nowadays may work in shifts.

God just desires we set aside the 7th day to spend with Him. Ideally at Church with other believers in a corporate gathering, so we can worship, pray for the sick and those with needs.

Some churches operate every day of the week in different capacities and ministries to the community around them. Sabbath means, Rest.

(from Hebrew shavat, "TO REST") is observed In Abrahamic religions, the Sabbath (/sb/) or Shabbat (Hebrew: ) is a day set aside for rest and worship.

If you are required to work on Sundays:

>>>The case does not say that Christians have no legal protection against having to work on Sundays. They have the same rights as any other religious group not to be discriminated against.

The Tribunal itself said in an opening paragraph:

"It is [not open to an employer] to require staff to work on Sunday and thereby cause disadvantage to those who are Christian "unless the employer can show the requirement is objectively justified." Just ask if your schedule can be changed, to be off on Sundays. Don't hire on and then demand a different schedule, if None is available. You'll lose legally if you push it.

God is way more flexible than people. He just wants us to rest in his love and spend time with Him (Bible). Attending Church is how we learn and grow up in Christ. However, if we do not practice "Family Altar Time with our children, and replace God with football games; they will not follow God willingly."

It's different for each individual. We are not under the Law; but under Grace. The 7th day after your work week started, is your Sabbath day. Google churches in your area and their meeting schedules. If you have split work schedules, you may have to accommodate to church meeting times.

It's to our advantage to attend Church when the church meets Corporately. If your family needs much prayer, for these crazy days we're living.

He brought shame by his pride and ego

I am joining in prayer as well.

I don't know Shelley. But since not a single sparrow falls to the ground without

our Father knowing it... I believe I will meet my Bridey when I pass on, my beloved collie,

and Otto, the most amazing cat in the world.

Hi Melvin.

The Sabbath is a day of rest.

Reading your comment it seems you already know that. You have liberty

So go on and rest!!

Romans 14:4-5. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND.

Colossians 2:14-17. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

God bless.

Martha,

It's been a while since I've read Job so thank you so much for bringing that book to my attention. Job is a perfect example of what I was referring to about wisdom being gained through trials. You may know of a time where someone praised the Lord when things in their life were going well or right after they have experienced something good? But what about when hardship came? We don't see much praise when they are experiencing hardship.

The Lord allowed Job to be tested by Satan. Job lost everything. But his trust in the Lord remained strong. That's wisdom. That's trusting the Lord. That's what wisdom is referring to in James chapter 1. In verse 2, James says that we are to count it all joy when we fall into various trials. But why should I count it joy when I'm going through a difficult time?

Verse 3 answers it for me. It says, "Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience." The Greek text literally reads "that your trial of the faith is working out endurance." The word "your" in the Greek text goes with the word trial, not the word faith. What he's telling them is that we are to live by faith and not trust in our circumstances or our feelings. We are to do this by remaining under our circumstances and trust in the Lord.

We experience two things by this. We experience Christ Himself. He sustains us. Secondly, we learn about His ways so that we can share with others what He has done in our lives during difficult times while we placed our trust in Him. That's wisdom.

Concerning understanding, I would agree with you. We should approach scripture in prayer asking the Lord to open our hearts and minds to understand what it is He wants to teach us. But wisdom comes through trials, and those trials are how we learn to trust the Lord. Again, thank you for using Job as an example of someone going through extreme hardship, and what it means to remain under (HUPOMENO) our circumstances and fully trust God to work those things out in our lives.

Your Comment...Amen!

To whom it may concern,

I would like to know what is the difference between God "made" and God "created". in the book of Genesis.

Just thinking aloud:

"To make" could mean; to shape and give it form and function

"To created" could mean; to make it appear, to create something, like an artwork, it doesn't need to have a function or a purpose.

I would like more clarity on these two words,

Are the words different in the original language and or do they mean the same and why are there two words used?

Thank you so much.