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Richard, Agreed.

I wish we could contact one another in a private way on here. I have suggested that to the ADMIN but did not receive a response back. I am sure it is possible to create a way to converse privately without giving out e-mail addresses, but instead using just our screen names but in a private aspect of this forum.

Have a good day, Richard.

Hi Jema,

Thank you for your reply. I agree that this topic is a difficult one, especially in this time.

It is God that people are to answer to for their choices and not to the opinions of others.

Have you read Richard's reply? Perhaps you have something to say to his post since he seems to have given an answer to my question, too.

Ge.2:2 God's Rest

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it."

Firstly the Spirit repeats more or less the same words to indicate the Father Son relationship.

Let us examine another verse which is indeed the opposite. "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ( John 5:17) He spoke as the Word become flesh thereby tying heaven and the earth in the Word component. Christ the same (He.13:8) in terms of the Word (Is.55:11) . It shall never return to him in void.

Thus after his Ascension we have this verse from the writer to the Hebrews,"And upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,"(He.1:3). As the brightness of His glory the word is out there corralling all the heirs of promise till they enter into the rest of God. "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his./ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."(He.4:11).



When his Son ascended on high it was in accordance with the eternal covenant. And "when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high," it was also as the word had spoken,"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool./The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies."(Ps.110:1-2). The same relationship and the same covenant and the works of the Son go on till all 'thine enemies' are destroyed, it is the Son working out of Zion. This is the seventh day that the Father sanctified.

"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it."(Is.55:11-NKJV). The Spirit repeats in order to emphasize the Word, the voice and the sign shall prevail from eternity to eternity.

To meditate: Matt.5:14 New Jerusalem as a city descending from heaven.

Hello Jesse

It's a pleasure to hear from you,brother.

As I quoted in my prior post,JESUS shewed unto His disciples His HANDS and His FEET- Luke 24:40.

You think that "Scripture does not give us that", but remember that our GOD said to the Serpent-> GEnesis 3:13-15 combined with Job 13:27:

13And the Lord GOD said unto the woman,What is this that thou hast done?And the woman said,The serpent beguiled me,and I did eat(i.e.the woman believed in the interpretation of the Word of GOD by the man of sin,son of perdition,called Serpent in Genesis.Today, i.e.in this time of Apocalypse,he is called red Dragon- Revelation 12).

14And the Lord GOD said unto the serpent,Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed...and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: (man was made of the dust",so once man fell deceived by the woman deceived by the man of sin,and still is until this current time, who is the son of perdition,in the beginning called Serpent.

In fact,all mankind was made/produced into the belly of the Serpent, EXCEPT JESUS,of course,my oldest brother,the firstborn among many brethren- Romans 8:29.By the way, GOD has a lot and countless sons,but there are two who are lawful GOD's sons,not by adoption-JESUS and the Comfort,the Paraclete,the Ancient of days.

15And I-GOD- will put enmity between thee and the woman(now the Church-the body of Christ-,and between thy seed(sons of Devil) and her seed(sons of GOD, true believers);it shall bruise thy head,and thou shalt bruise His heel.

Remember,JESUS said- Luke 20:35-36:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world(the next world-the millennial GOD's Kingdom- Revelation 11:15-18),and the resurrection from the dead(dead? Colossians 3:3-7.Take a look), neither marry,nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God,being the children of the resurrection ( Colossians 3:3-7 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:17 and 1Corinthians 15:51-55).

Brother Jesse;

Our only hint of the nails driven into Christ lower limbs is found in:

Job 13:27 ... thou settest a print in the heels of my feet.......

God Bless YOU!

Amen Brother Jesse:

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE Spirit ...... called by different names.

God Bless YOU!

One Eighty,

I'm sorry but the scriptures DO NOT agree with you.

John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

Jesus warns that if we continue sinning only worse things will happen!

Proverbs 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Proverbs 14:2

"He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him."

Job 28:28

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."

God is FEAR and LOVE! If we are wise we will love Him and fear Him!

GBU

Sister Jema:

The WILL of GOD is CAUSING all thing to fall under his will. God makes no mistakes, by suffering Christ learned obedience, a child

is TOLD, do not touch the stove, it is hot, a child has no knowledge, through suffering those hot stoves we GET KNOWLEDGE, through knowledge we LEARN obedience.

Sister Jema:

Good questions.

Does God tell us not to do something, then turn around and CAUSE US to do it.

YES!

God told the children NOT TO marry outside their tribe.

Samson was told by his mother and father that GOD SAID NOT TO marry a Philistine.

Judges 14:4 But his father and mother KNEW NOT it was of the LORD that he (God) sought an occasion AGAINST the Philistines.

God told David NOT TO number ISRAEL:

2 Samuel 24:1 ...and God MOVED David to go and number Israel.

God Bless YOU!

I would think Hagar was given from being a servant to a wife as a second wife. Philip may have been divorced it doesn't say here either. As to bondage; it depends on the meaning of the word; the original language seems to indicate that there is no longer any need to continue in the commitment of marriage duties when someone wishes to leave but the term is different than forced labor; or a marriage covenant. That's how I see it; scripture doesn't contradict. Obviously, there were rules such as Deut. 24 so it was happening although multiple marriages occurred in the O.T. with men (don't see women doing that). Apparently God recognized it to some extent or He wouldn'thave heeded Leah then Rachel having children with Jacob. There were goings on with concubines which was clearly adultery but God tolerated it in the past just as allowed for a time Deut 24 (notice the Pharisees said Moses commanded it but the real reason Jesus illustrated).

TKL thank you for your comments and for your kind words in defense of me. It is very much appreciated.

It is also truly good to see someone else defending the Inspired Word of God on this site, sadly not many do!

Every Word of God is pure! ( Proverbs 30:5-6)

Growing daily should be important to every one of us.

God Bless you TKL.

Thank You. That is very helpful

Jesse its good to hear from you. I wouldn't say I was mistreated by GiGi but I will say GiGi seems to run from questions when she has no answers for them, instead of looking at it to seek the truth with an open mind which is what allows us to grow in the Word, and our Faith as the Holy Ghost will teach us all things.

Jesse you say the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of God are all the same. The Comforter IS the Holy Ghost ( Jn 14:26) "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost".

When does the Comforter come? ( Jn 16:7) "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Those of us who believe that God preserved His Words in the KJB also believe that EVERY Word of God is pure, EVERY WORD!

The Holy Ghost wasn't mentioned in the OT because the Comforter did not come until after Jesus was crucified.

Thus the Holy Ghost shows up in the NT.

Which only gives strength to the holy men of God being the KJB translators who were moved by the Holy Ghost in ( 2 Pet 1:19-21) It is not Biblical that they were the OT prophets as GiGi and others have said in past posts.

Jesse you said "Finally, I did consider responding before GiGi did, but there is a reason why I chose not to. I had a suspicion where this was headed right from the very beginning. It seems as though I chose wisely".

The only place this was headed Jesse was to show the Truth, it should be accepted!

I seek the Truth in the Word of God with an open mind, I don't post to please others, or to be in agreement with others as many here seem to do. I try to post on subjects that have great importance to the time we live in now, to help others who are deceiving themselves or being deceived to see the Truth.

This is one of those subjects. I really don't understand why you are suspicious of me Jesse, you honestly have no reason to be.

The Word of God is Alive.

Blessing to you Jesse.

I am sorry Jimbob, I don't read or study enough translations to know what is clarified in the verses before or after. Neither do I know the intents of the author or author's. Our church embraces the KJV and I am blessed when I "keep the sayings of this book" Rev. 22:9. I also use the Greek and Hebrew when I need clarification on a word or meaning with the goal of "following" the word and not of "getting around" the word.

God is so amazing and thank you for this beautiful reply

...they must live their lives without human love , affection and comfort ? We know from a wealth of experience , what happens to people who are not permitted to give and receive human affection and romance , just look at the catholic church ! People who have had to live without physical love ( and I mean love not sex ) are deeply affected by this , it can cause all sorts of mental health issues . As a baby , and I mean a baby , i was denied affection . No one was allowed to cuddle me , I was only held when I was fed . As a consequence I'm not much of a hugger :) . It's a dangerous thing to deny a human the comfort of a loved ones cuddle and body heat . I would say that I am not to judge . They will stand before their Redeemer and He will pass judgement . I shall hold my peace .

Hi Gigi , yes this is a hot topic ! Human relationships always are because they involve human emotions which can be extremely powerful . My congregation in the past has been very strict on this matter . Brothers and sisters have even been disfellowshiped because they haven't married people from our denomination . As the decades have rolled by we are very slightly more lenient , but only slightly ! With regards to what to do about people who have married , as you put it , outside of the Lord's will : firstly we cannot be one hundred per cent sure that that is the case , people might disagree with me on this I'm sure :) . Remember that we are not under the law . When I first joined my congregation as a single young woman , a brother was interested in me and his wife , who had been a member , had left and divorced him but not for adultery . As it happened I was not conflicted about this because I wasn't attracted to him . However I did notice that his affection for me caused a stir among the other members . My best friend in the congregation was an elderly sister who had been married twice , ( to fellow members ) her first husband died and her second was divorced because his wife left him for another man . When she married her second husband they were both disfellowshiped instantly without any discussion . This was heart breaking to them as they are both devoted to God . After about a year , discussions started , they had to admit that what they had done was against scripture and repent but ! They were not forced to divorce , this is just adding sin to sin , plus I don't think that they would have divorced . Personally , I don't believe that falling in love is ever a sin , some times unadvisable :) but there is no sin in genuine love . We have had members choose to marry ' against scripture ' and have just left us rather than be kicked out :( this is very sad to me .God brings people into our lives for a reason , who are we to tell fellow Christians that...see 2

Rapture and Tribulation does not change Salvation and Grace, it just takes those who are ready. Tribulation is for God to get His people to turn back to Him and never want to turn again. Gentiles will be there too. The Anti-christ is the King of the North (from the tribe of Dan, Jewish decent)

Raptured before Tribulation are in Rev 5:9-10 in Heaven before Chapter 6,and so on.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

TKL,

When I read the statement: "The (Holy Ghost) first shows up in the Bible in the New Testament," my response (if I would have chosen to give one) would have been similar to GiGi's response.

True, Jimbob uses the term Holy Ghost, not Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, but are they not all the same Spirit?

So, if they are the same Spirit (which I believe they are), even though the term Holy Ghost is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit/Spirit of God/Gods Spirit, whichever phrase you wish to use, can all be found working throughout the OT, regardless of which term is used.

If someone chooses to say Holy Ghost, and the other person chooses to say Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, it's all the same Spirit, and that Spirit (Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost) is found in the OT.

I do not see any mistreatment by GiGi here, and if Jimbob feels he is being mistreated, I think he would say so. He's been upfront with me in some of our conversations in the past so I think he would speak for himself if he felt that he was being mistreated. Just my thoughts!

Finally, I did consider responding before GiGi did, but there is a reason why I chose not to. I had a suspicion where this was headed right from the very beginning. It seems as though I chose wisely.

Hello Giannis,

Thank you so much for responding to my question. When you ask: "When the state/people are punishing criminals, why is it surprising that God acts similarly?" My answer is that God is higher than us. His ways are not our ways. You also stated: "They wish a God who loves them, but they don't wish to love others." My response to that is that we cannot compare God to us. We can't judge what God does by what we do. We are trying to be like God. God is not trying to be like us! I am just not comfortable believing that God resorts to violence. I do, however, resonate with the part of your response that says: "It is true that we don't have answers to every question, but we can rely on that we believe in a righteous God who is determined to reward" Thank you, again for responding to my question.

Oseas,

Thank you for this information. I do agree that the nail scars were visible in His hands. As far as being nailed in each foot, scripture does not give us that. Can you please share your source of that information?

Also, I am trying to figure out how the entire second half of your post has anything to do with the question that was asked. Can you help me out there also?

Thanks again for sharing!

It seems scriptural to me that remarriage when a spouse is alive causes the other person to commit adultery as well as the person instigating it. The "escape" clause fits in with Joseph and an espousal; hence the word fornication is used; whereas adultery is used in the next sentence. Corinthians and ROmans explains a woman remarrying when her husband is alive is an adulterer but not when he has died. It seems iron clad to me.

In any case; someone should tell a person to get out of such a marriage God simply doesn't recognize it as a covenant. I had a situation where I could have married someone but God made it clear that I couldn't do it. Others have left such marriages as well. That's how I see it; again I can't say it dogmatically as pastors themselves won't teach it. It is more than cooincidence that I found 2 churches that preached against divorce and remarriage (and I couldn't find any in this state online). They actually haven't preached it yet but the Pastor in my church now at least believes that for Christians. As for nonchristians we have JOhn the Baptist against the marriage of a brother's wife which got him killed; and Abraham and his wife twice who God warned others trying to take her as a "sister" that it was wrong (also Isaac attempted this with Rebekah). Also notice multi marriages but NO divorces for any saints or even sinners in the Bible even in cases like Esther with Vashti who the king ignored; or the wife of Job who told him to curse God and die; she apparently produced more kids later. I don't see abandonment as justification; again seperate or be reconciled.

Sorry if I sound too dogmatic can't see it any other way. I told a friend who is a new pastor that advised someone that did this that he should have told her to leave the guy but he just reassured her. He asked my opinion; don't think he will do that again.

I have much more I could say but unless I can write you privately I suppose this will be all for this forum.

1 Corinthians 15:v.45-46

45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.

Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.

The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.

According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.

Dear John Ray, I am always happy to pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, once again we lift up the needs of John Ray. He is in need of housing. Please cause someone to be generous to him and offer a place to stay for John Ray, either for a night or for long term. May you move someone to commit to help John Ray for he so needs help. Father, we know that You can do all things well, so we trust that You will meet John Ray's needs each day.

We ask this of You Father, in the name of Jesus, your Holy Son. Amen.

Larryc, and Jesse, and Jim Miller

JESUS was nailed exactly in the center of His hands on the lines that form the figure of an M. And was also nailed in each foot , nailed close to the heel, in the calcaneus region.

Luke 24:36-43

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and SUPPOSED that they HAD SEEN A SPIRIT.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for A SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them His HANDS and his FEET.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

In fact GOD allowed His Son JESUS to be taken to the slaughter like a sheep,but the way He would be killed was not chosen by GOD the Father,but by the Devil,that is the old Serpent,and Satan;and the object that was chosen by the Devil was the satanic CROSS for killing JESUS,for torturing Him,and for humiliation,and mockery, and for the most cruel suffering,until death.JESUS already knew the satanic plan of the Devil- Matthew 26:2-Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover,and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

To take up the cross is to suffer for the love of JESUS,to suffer for the preaching of His Gospel,suffering to testify of His Word in the Devil's world,to suffer for the preaching of His teachings within the Devils's world,to suffer testifying of the redeeming work of JESUS for the corrupt world of Devil,whose work cost his own life by dying on the man-made cross, Devil's cross.Devil's cross that many have on their avatar,the satanic cross that devilish Catholicism kisses and adores, understand? CROSS IS CURSE.

Hello again, Richard,

I hope you don't mind me commenting further.

I understand that this is a discussion forum and it is good to lead off threads with topics that can lend well to discussion.

But also, sometimes the Spirit gives us discernment to lead a thread with a topic that He knows will not get much discussion. But the purpose is to just bring out topic or viewpoint that He wants said whether others respond or not, either affirming the view or disagreeing with it.

I do not often feel led to start off a thread, so I don't. I don't always feel led to respond to a post, so I don't. But oftentimes I do feel the Holy Spirit prompting me to respond, and I do. I try not to be in the discussion for myself, but for what the Holy Spirit desires. My viewpoint isn't what is important; obedience to the Spirit is. So, I try to do this His way.

I like to read what others post and think on what they write. Some I agree with wholeheartedy, others I disagree with wholeheartedly. Some I am undecided on and others are not pressing issues for me. Others are very concerning for me, such as when I read things that blaspheme God and His character, misrepresent who He is as revealed in Scripture, and also those things that are outright heresy. These bother me deeply and I must prayerfully respond to what has been stated while continuing to pray and care for the person who stated something that is very wrong and dangerous to other believers.

All in all, I have learned a great deal, have needed to study Scripture more closely on some topics to discover what is really being taught in Scriptures, and am encouraged that so many people truly have a passion for knowing God, His truth, and His will.

Hi Richard,

Just wondering how speaking your view on divorce and remarriage would get you booted off this forum? Would it be from others reporting to admin your post? I am not sure how this forum works regarding that. When I read so many posts that promote obvious heretical doctrines concerning God and His nature, Jesus and His nature and work, and deification of man and these do not get taken down, how would someone who disapproves of remarriage after divorce for believers be worthy of censure?

I guess I would hope that people on here would not be so quick to want to silence viewpoints on here or other forums. We, as believers, need to be responsible in learning the major tenets of the Christian faith and stand firm on those, being willing to address heretical doctrines. But when it comes to topics that are not core Christian beliefs, we should be gracious and speak our minds on what we believe even when it is not the same view as another poster and not be slandered, have our maturity in Christ or trueness of our conversion be questioned. Everyone has topics that they are quite sensitive on and we should recognize these topics for ourselves so that we will resolve to approach a differing view with kindness and calmness.

The topic of OSAS is not a cardinal doctrine in my view as there are many differing views that can have biblical support for these views. They are not false teachings but what is termed heterodoxy. While I do think that the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ is a cardinal doctrine, meaning it is clearly taught in Scripture. But the teaching on the Rapture is not a cardinal doctrine. It has not been taught consistently throughout the centuries and is not explicitly taught in Scriptures. So disagreeing on this topic is one that can be permitted as long was we do not beat each other up over it. It tends to be a topic that gets people hot under the collar, but it isn't such for me.

Let's do everything in love.

Brother Richard:

Matthew 3:22...Except those days of the great tribulation be SHORTENED, no flesh could BE SAVED.

You say your pretrib

The above scripture says you CANNOT be saved till after the great tribulation.

The word says WE ARE SAVED by the RESURRECTION of Christ.

The great tribulation had to happen before Christ was RESURRECTED.

The great tribulation was from the time Christ entered the garden till he DIED on the cross.

The doctrines of men has polluted the words of God.

God Bless YOU!

Hello Richard,

Thanks for the response. Appreciated.

I do share your view on divorce and remarriage pretty much. I think there are exceptions, especially between people when one spouse abandons the marriage for someone else. It seems Jesus gives this exception. But it is not necessarily a blanket endorsement for people to rush into another relationship when this happens. God will lead such people in the way they should go.

In most churches I am aware of pastors approve of divorce and remarriage for any reason and gladly performs such remarriages. some pastors and members say that as long as one repents of the first sexual encounter as adultery then all relations after that are o.k. and not ongoing adultery. I guess they do not know how preposterous this sounds. If one murders another and repents, then, according to their reasoning, this person can habitually kill other people after that and it is not sinful or murder. Or, if one has one abortion, and then repents, then they can continue to have abortions whenever they wish and it is not sinful or killing another person. I could go on and on giving absurd examples of this reasoning. But people will say that remarriage is different than other sins. I ask "How" and they usually cannot give me an answer.

With all of this said, I think that people who find themselves in a marriage that is failing are in such a hurtful and vulnerable place. And when the divorce does happen, then it is very difficult for some to face the rest of their lives as a single person. But I believe God will give the grace to any who wish to live obediently to what the Lord has commanded on this subject. But it may be a difficult road to travel.

My big question would be: "What do we do about those who have remarried against the Lord's command?"

I understand these prophetic verses ok. As a let's just say, a lifelong "student" of the prophetic, Thanks to our Lord Jesus.. there is no, ok.. no 7 YEAR trib. I am fully aware of the time of trouble, as well as the many verses that apply to this. I am fully aware of the "tribulation".. the thing I am trying to get across is simply this. The 7 year trib is NOT in the bible. The antichrist making a treaty with Israel is NOT in the bible. Ok, these are false teachings, Hal Lindsey, Jack van Impe, Lahaye... blah blah, should I go on?.. This is a narrative that is being perpetuated by people who are only repeating what they have HEARD. Because, my friend it is not in the bible. You didn't learn the 7 year trib from the bible did you?.. Of course not, none of you did, it's a deception.. do you understand yet?.. I will be more than happy to correspond on here with you or anyone else if you like, in a civil, friendly ,albeit "challenging" manner. These people get on here and throw out a long winded dissertation about things they don't even know. Hey, one of my favorite lines of scripture..Rev.19:10....worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. May our Lord be praised, love and peace to the bretheren.