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  • BOB W - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you Rainwalker.

    Bob
  • BOB W - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you Jim.

    BOB
  • BOB W - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you GiGi,

    Also You replied to a prayer request I posted, must be 8 or 9 months ago, I tried to update those who prayed for me and my health problem but by the time I was improving the site told me I couldn't update the thread after 30 days?

    anyhow I had some big improvements that I can only attribute to prayer(s) and Gods intervention and I again want to thank you for those prayers.

    I also want to say that I always enjoy your commentary as I do my reading.

    Bob
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Every child of God holds a volume which is the gift of God so that he may live the fulness of God through his Son and it pleased his Father that all fulness should dwell. St Paul refers to it in this passage,"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,/May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;/ And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." (Ep.3:17-19) He is referring to the world of the Spirit in his heart which holds the great congregation mentioned by the Ps.40 and he says "May be able to comprehend with all saints" and it can be possible only if he sees through the light of the Son. If mystery of grace works with the Gentile, colored or Barbarian what on earth a Christian from Jewish background is crowing about? "According to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man" everyone draws from this fulness.

    No Christian has this luxury to live apart as if is no concern of his.

    "Bear each other's burden" is a proof of this grace in operation. Consider Lk.12:49-50. When the Spirit came down on the day of Pentecost it fulfilled his prophesy," I have come to bring fire on the earth."

    Let us look at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ: baptism for the dead in this case celebrates the spirit of Christ. We put on his spiritual body as it were. So living even as he did is vital. "We are hid in him so we may live in heavenly places" so our house is not made with hands but with death we continue with him. (2 Co.5:1)
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "In Christianity, Universalism is a theological position that posits that all individuals, regardless of their faith or actions in life, will ultimately be reconciled with God and attain salvation. This belief has historically been considered heretical by many mainstream Christian denominations, especially those that adhere to doctrines of eternal damnation for the unrepentant.

    Universalism: Known historically as apokatastasis, the belief that all persons will be saved. Hence universalism involves the affirmation of universal salvation and the denial of eternal punishment. Universalists believe that ultimately all humans are somehow in union with Christ and that in the fullness of time they will gain release from the penalty of sin and be restored to God. Twentieth-century universalism often REJECTS the deity of Jesus and explores the "universal" bases of all religions. See also Apokatastasis.

    1 John 4:6 (KJV) 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of ERROR.
  • Jim Miller - 1 year ago
    Psalms 25:5 (KJV) 5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Daruled,

    So it is true every knee will eventually bow. Most will be to late, as it will be after they are dead, and standing before Jesus on Judgement Day.

    Here Jesus confirms FEW will find everlasting life.

    Matthew 7:14

    "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

    Now is the time, while we are still living to bow before Jesus/God, pick up your cross and become a True Christ Follower!

    Read and believe!
  • Koosees - 1 year ago
    REVELATION IS IN THREE PARTS - PAST / PAST (WITH PRESENT DAY APPLICATIONS) / FUTURE

    Things which thou hast SEEN ( Rev 1:1-18) - things which ARE ( Revelation 2,3) - things which shall be HEREAFTER ( Rev 4:2)

    John wrote down what he had seen, in the order in which he saw them. If a chapter starts 'and then' or 'after these', that means chapters prior back to chapter 4:2 have taken place. Chapter 7 starts 'after these' so chapters 4,5,6 have happened.

    RAPTURE ('SEIZING, CARRYING OFF') There have been raptures already just by the definition above, more yet to come.

    Enoch, Elijah, Captives set free from Paradise in the earth are raptures in the OT - Anyone left behind that repent will have to endure all seals up to the 6th. After that they must endure until that end. (if they make the end)

    (Enoch, Elijah, Captives free) / DON'T MISS THIS RAPTURE [Dead in Christ rise first, they which are alive) / Tribulation begins (rapture 2 Rev 7:14) Great multitude..'out of' meaning within. (rapture 3) Two Witnesses, (rapture 4) 144,000 'man child'](THIS IS A NOT PLAN B TALK OR ANOTHER DOCTRINE) DONT MISS THAT RIDE TO THE SKY.

    BUT 'THEE RAPTURE' WE MUST ALL AVOID. This is where all the mix up happens, this post trib pre trib and newest I heard is pre wrath. The mention of 'last day' or 'the end' and English lacking is a factor. 'The end' 'Last day' are very broad terms, Which is part of the misunderstanding.

    God's Grace continues before, during and after Tribulation is another reason the Eternal Security Doctrine has it wrong.

    ZACH 14:16 'THOSE THAT ARE LEFT' Who, people who didn't take the mark, serve [year-year].-- Anyone left behind that repent will have to endure all seals up to the 7th. After that anyone saved after must endure until that end. (if they live to the end of trib) If all take the mark die, and the ones that didn't are killed, who will be left to save?

    Great Tribulation ( Rev 4:2- Rev 19:11-21) 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ (English is important)
  • Koosees - 1 year ago
    Noun End (Greek) When some says the end, I say which end? (New Testament Greek Translated in English)

    END - end, finish, close, conclusion, termination, extremity

    END - end, edge, tip, limb, extremity, rim

    EXPIRY - expiry, end, expiration, maturity, termination, close

    END - end, conclusion, close

    GOAL - goal, end, terminal, terminus, bourn, bourne

    PURPOSE - purpose, objective, aim, scope, view, end

    FINALE - end, conclusion

    VERB

    I FINISH - finish, end, conclude, complete, end up, get through

    CLOSE - close, close by, end

    The Bible (KJV 1611) should be understood by all just the same. But some believe that interpret means to interpret what 'they' think it is saying. We are to interpret not what we think it says but interpret what the Word says. Giving every word its proper meaning. Words in KJV time didn't have words and definition like we do today. God Bless. It's not about who might be wrong, its about finding out who is wrong and helping them get it right (advice + knowing you are wrong but take advice = Wisdom) Same goes for the person that is wrong. Its just a misunderstanding between Believers that can be figured out together without strife. Where there is strife there is pride.
  • Koosees - 1 year ago
    Read with a Child's mind and faith. Take the Word literally until it is not possible, knowing that with GOD nothing is impossible. With a figurative statement, apply it to a literal situation. A person's faith will be key and will determine what is literal or figurative. Does it literally mean 'pluck my eye out?' Well if that's what it takes I would say yes. But just quit the sin business and keep both those good eyes. Looking up definitions/Origin into English) Looking in Oxford Dictionary, use discernment when looking up words online. Words are ranked on most common usage. Read the Bible from their perspective. More words and definitions have been added since 1611.

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. (Literal, or you stuck here)

    1 John 5:7 For there are Three (Literal: 1,2,3) that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are one (Figurative to Literal: They are God, One in Unity or One in agreeance, There at the Beginning, etc)
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    The Third Heaven (2 of 2)

    Instead of a veil the Ch. 4 we have 'a sea of glass like unto crystal'. (cf.Ez.1). When Lamb opens the fifth seal "I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held (Re.6:9)." We have a great congregation to whom Psalmist speaks of. "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;"(Re.5:11) (Ps.40:9) " have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest."

    Each believer witness before this great congregation.These are cloud of witnesses (He.12:1) and they figure in the night vision of Daniel."A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him"(Dan.7:10)'

    It is for this reason Jesus warned," For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known./ Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops."(( Luke 12:2-3) Elisha for this reasonwhould know what King of Syria had planned(2 Ki.6"12-17)

    What is our heart but a Spiritual space where truth serves as our guide. Indwelling Spirit serves us as an in-house tutor. As many as are led by it are the sons of God for whom the third heavens serve as the presence. 'My presence shall go with thee and give thee rest.(Ex.33:15)'
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Heaven, The Third (1 of 2)

    Is there any specific place for heaven? The Spirit gives it a concrete image, 'Heaven is my throne,' and Sovereign will of God is the Law. "Forever, O Lord, your word is settled in heaven (Ps.119:89-NKJV)." This throne is in consonance with the eternal word and established as the Law regulating all events persons and places accordingly.

    Jesus said, 'In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you ( John 14:2).' John in his vision gives us a preview of the fullness of God, which covers the earth and heaven to which the three heavens belong. (See under R-The Book of the Revelation)

    In the wilderness what God was a pattern and He commanded Moses,' According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, so shall ye make it.(Ex.25:9).' What St John sees in his vision ("And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices"-Re.4:5) can we not make a schematic representation of the house of God? We can assign the Most Holy Place at the apex of a cone set on the earth. Voice of God is signified with thunderings and lightenings. God who no one can approach to it or see(1 Ti.6:16) signifies Holiest of the holies. "And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." The Throne and memorials of God signify Trinity in which the seven lamps constitute the Holy Spirit.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Vial

    Vial or phial was a flask traditionally used for anointing kings in Israel. Samuel anointed Saul on command from God; so did Elisha (1 Sa.10:1;2 Ki.9:1). In the Book of the Revelation these phials are given to seven angels and they were to pour out the wrath of God, significance of the number cannot be missed in this verse. "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth." (Re.16:1). Unlike other occasions the command comes from within the temple and we are seeing events accordingly from the Jewish perspective.

    The Holy Spirit has God and his Christ in mind and these angels are entrusted with ceremonial cleansing. The earth and the fullness thereof are of the Lord. So this announcement is in order, 'The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."(Re.11:15)

    Seven vials refer by the Law of Gradation to indicate the scattering of the enterprises of the godless. Noisome and grievous sores upon which had the mark of the beast (Re.16;2),

    The sea as the blood of a dead man (v.3)

    The rivers and the fountains of water became like blood(v.4)

    The sun to scorch men with fire (v.8)

    The fifth angel- upon the seat of the beast 'and his kingdom was full of darkness.'(v.10)

    Drying up the great river Euphrates, preparing the way of the kings of the east.

    The seventh upon the air. Answer from the throne:"It is done'. (v.17)
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Peniel (2 of 2)

    God's claim on Jacob was begun before birth, and not loosened for all his rascality. He could brazenly stand before his father pretending to be Esau but chains of events that had brought his grandfather out of Haran were still in a flux and God was in charge. He visited him in dreams and visions to encourage him. While he had to come to grips with consequences of his actions, his sojourn in the House of Laban was indeed the part of a process determined by God to win him over. Jacob just as he fled from Esau, and the scripture describes it thus, - 'Jacob stole away unawares' with his two wives sons and all his goods.

    It was time for God to confront Jacob. When it came the Spirit tells us that it was 'until the breaking of the day.' Jacob had wrestled with his failings and prevailed over them; At the breaking of dawn God accepts him as the one who prevailed with Him as well. As children of promise we need focus upon whom we have entrusted our souls. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 Jn.1:9)."

    What separates a person as child of promise from his carnal nature is the core value of a Christian Living. It is faith. Walk of Jacob revealed a marked difference before and after God named him Israel. It is also significant to note that God named him as Israel but confirmed it later And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. (Ge.35.10)

    We have been adopted in the family of God where Jesus Christ is the first born from the dead. 'Our works' is holding on to faith as God confirmed Jacob as Israel.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Peniel (1 of 2)

    Name 'Face of God' where Jacob wrestled with a 'man'. He saw God face to face, with reference to the presence of God, figuratively, an angel of the Lord.

    "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of dawnI will not let thee go, except thou bless me (Ge.32:24-26)."

    Often there are certain events in our lives that define us. For a child of God the day he accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour Lord. That point of time is similar to how Jacob fared in Peniel.

    Similarly when we make certain of our salvation by confession we have defined what we are. We are the children of promise. God's promise to Abraham has come to us through His Son. The same God, the same promise. There was nothing accidental about events however ordinary it might seem, before or after.

    God let Jacob bring out his natural passions and inclinations that are human in his natural environment, but as a child of promise he had another aspect: there was a day of reckoning with God. "Be prepared to meet thy God".( Amos 4:12) It is to make one aware of God's claim, which in terms of theology is called Predestination. (2 Co.5:10)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Oases,

    Amen. We are called as well as blessed in his Son even before we are born. Each of us carry a world of the Spirit so as the Psalmist says, 'where shall we go from thy Spirit?'It is like the ark of Noah it is God who has shut us in. " Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me." So in the age of pandemics or in the time of climate crisis we are safe in his many promises. We are living these two worlds even now. It takes the sun rays 8 minutes to reach us. In fact we are looking into past, while our feet is planted on the ground. It is constantly shifting under our very feet. What happened in Morocco ought to tell us that what our eyes tell does only so much. As children of God let us have grace to live abiding in him and abounding in good works for which we are called. Amen
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Oseas,

    Wow, I say that God is MORE than just a book, that the holy bible points to God, it doesn't define God (if you can't understand this Revelation then I worry for you). Then, I say that God ISN'T limited by a translation or book. Finally, I say that God The Holy Spirit puts His law in our heart NOT a book so that we are doers of the law NOT merely hearers of the law.

    And then you say that my perspective is worldly?!! Just, WOW.

    Oseas, you can quote to me everything in the holy bible but the Fact that you don't understand what I'm saying is evidence that the enemy has deceived you! I'm a very BLESSED man who Sees The Sunrise, and you are a blind man rebuking me for describing what I See, then you go on describing a sunrise that was described to you but have Never seen. So, when I tell you that what you are describing barely scratches the surface of THE TRUTH, you rebuke me for my sight, as I struggle (and fail) to NOT rebuke you for your blindness. Here's the thing about blindness;I would be remiss if I rebuked a blind man for his blindness, yet it's my Duty as a man of God to Rebuke a person who is blind because they refuse to open their eyes.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bennymkje

    In the first sentence of your post you emphasized GOD putting His Word in the mouths of his servants,the prophets,and you highlighted Je. and Ez: Isa. came also to my memory-Is.6:1-13.

    And Hebrews 1:1-2 say:1 GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these LAST DAYS(last two days or two millennia)spoken unto us by His Son...

    But I would highlight also Isaiah 51:14-The captive exiled hasteneth that he may be loosed,and that he should NOT DIE in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.

    15 I am the Lord thy GOD,that divided the sea(nations),whose waves roared:The Lord of hosts is his name.

    16 And I have put my words in thy MOUTH, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand,that I may PLANT THE HEAVENS,and lay the foundations of the earth,and say unto Zion,Thou art my people.

    The 1st heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of Moses,and His holy prophets-the Old Testament-and lasted around 1.500 years,from Moses until JESUS;

    The 2nd heaven was planted by the Words GOD has put in the MOUTH of JESUS,and His Apostles-the New Testament-,and it has lasted around 2000 years;

    The 3rd heaven will last 1.000 years,it will be planted by the Words GOD has left written to be announced by the captive exiled, actually a rod of iron,and a sharp Sword- Hebrews 4:12-13 combined with Rev.11:15-18,and Ps.2:1-12,and 1Thess.4:16, Daniel 12:1-3,Rev.19:11-21 and 6:2,among other biblical references.

    The heaven of the heavens-the Eternity-will be established when the 3rd heaven be ended- Rev. 20:7-10;

    Luke 20:35-35

    35 They which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world(next world-the millennial GOD's Kingdom-,and the resurrection from the dead,neither marry,nor are given in marriage:

    36 Neither can they die any more:for they are equal unto the angels;and are the children of GOD,being the children of the resurrection.

    May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection

    Amen
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    OSAS and rewards (continued)

    My last posting ended with a brief discussion of spiritual rewards. If we never consider these things; we are in danger of just wanting "fire insurance" when coming to Christ from fear of hell. That lack of love for God will blind us to the need for sanctification; and we will never want to go beyond what we consider the bare minimum to ensure our place in heaven. The basic point here is that sanctification goes on from the point of salvation until death (or the Rapture) which finally brings glorification; or final salvation of the body from sin and decay. So we need here to discuss what sanctification means.

    Sanctification. 2 Timothy 2:12 says that if we suffer with Him we will reign with Him. Jesus spoke to the Disciples about the cost involved in following Him; and James speaks of pure joy in suffering in James 1:2-4. The Apostles need no further case as to the cost of following Him as all but one were martyred (and apparently they may have tried to kill John before Patmos as well). We see how Peter failed Christ when he said he would die for him yet denied Christ at his trial. Whenever that verse comes up in James I comment that I am still working on that; I feel like a hypocrite otherwise.

    Too often we look at dying to self as a martyrdom issue rather than looking at a progressive lifestyle of dying to self day by day; which also was the example of Christ. Once we practice loving others above ourselves for a long time it is much easier to handle our fate no matter how bleak (or at least less hard). Again; this is where the rubber meets the road. With today's "easy believism" we see little exhortation of others ( Hebrews 3:13); we see Christ being perhaps the "center" of our lives in many of today's churches rather than BEING our life and our old life dead and buried with Him.

    So far we are discussing things that accompany salvation. Now I will begin to quote verses to examine warnings against falling away
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    OSAS or "Eternal security" under closer scrutiny.

    Once again; the verse "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" is a necessary verse to quote and is found in Proverbs as well as at least a couple places in Psalms. Assuming that there is a genuine conversion needs to be in word and deed. Confessing with our mouth must be accompanied by believing in our heart ( Romans 10:9-10). Believing in our heart must involve; of course a heart change as Ezekiel 36:26 indicates. Evidence of that is an understanding that as sinners we are coming from being ENEMIES of God (i.e. the enmity is in both directions) as Romans 5:10 indicates. True faith understands the painful sacrifice of Christ to pay the redemption through the atonement which only His blood could do in our behalf. Obedience accompanies true love for God as John 14:15 indicates. RECOGNITION that we are crucified with Christ ( Galatians 2:20) means that our new nature is now having new affections and the old one is something which we no longer find our "default" mode. We are beyond wanting to avoid sin because of the consequences but because we recognize that we are offending a Holy God who dwells in us ( 2 Cor. 5:1; and apparently the meaning implicit in John 1:14 where He dwells in us. True salvation never brings contentment with sin; we may fall away but as Proverbs says in chapter 24; verse 16 he rises again; but it is not so for the wicked. We are saved by grace but always have potential to sin and a true believer will be as Paul was cognizant and wary of anything that will get in the way until the end of this earthly existance ( Philippians 3:12-14). This is like 1 Corinthians 9:24 in striving to gain the prize.

    Another related situation is that a true believer recognizes that rewards can be attained or lost according to Revelation 3:11. Realizing that we can enter heaven but as through the fire suffering loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15) shows salvation is the beginning of the journey of a truly saved person
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Daruled

    Who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth- John 3:31. Your earthly and devilish verbiage and chatter is good for nothing, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? By the way, be sure that your satanic spiritual guide( 2Corinthians 11:12-15) will be cast down into the bottomless pit from now on, day by day, understand?- Revelation 20:3.

    Furthermore, the LAST and main partner of your spiritual guide according Genesis 3:1-, he will be elected soon, that is the LAST Beast to be elected- Revelation 13:1- called Vicarivs Filii Dei, a filii of Devil; he will be cast into the lake of fire - Revelation 19:19-20 - burning with brimstone by the Power of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD-self-executable- , understand? including their followers, those which he deceived(have been deceived) and received (have received) the mark of the Beast, and they worshipp the Beast making a signal of CROSS- CROSS is CURSE - with right HAND completing the satanic sign on FOREHEAD-AS WAS PROPHESIED- Revelation 13:16- combined with Isaiah 44:20.

    These will be cast alive into the hell's fire from now on- 2 Peter 3:7 combined withn Revelation 19:19-20, even in this LORD's Day, in this seventh and last Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the current millennium, THE MILLENNIUM OF CHRIST, according the righteous Judgment of GOD, the Judgment Seat of Christ.

    Get ready, for Revelation 21:8 will LITERALLY be fulfilled: "the fearful(the COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Get ready
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 1 year ago
    In the Bible, it was Gideon who tested God with a fleece made from a sheep's skin. This story is found in the Book of Judges, specifically in Judges 6:36-40. Gideon wanted to be sure that God was truly calling him to lead the Israelites against their enemies, the Midianites. He asked God for a sign, requesting that the fleece be wet with dew while the ground around it remained dry on one occasion and then dry while the ground around it was wet on another occasion. God granted both signs to Gideon to confirm His will.
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gideon.. twice with a sheepskin
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    End of introduction to OSAS

    Once saved always saved is kind of like the word "Rapture"; the verses about being sealed with the Spirit until the Day of Redemption ( Eph. 4:30) basically indicate that once HIS work is completed we cannot "undo" it. We have passed from "death to life" ( John 5:24) if we truly believe; and 1 John 3:14 shows the same author indicating EVIDENCE through loving one another (specifically the brethren) that we are saved; as well as showing that if WE DON'T we are liars and the truth is not in us ( 1 John 4:20).

    My first point is that there is always evidence of the Hope that is within us if it truly exists ( 1 Peter 3:15). The second point goes with it that we preach the truth; any other Gospel is "anathema" ( Gal. 1:8-9). Interestingly; 1 Corinthians 16:22 2 verses before the end of the book state that if any man does NOT love the Lord Jesus Christ let him be "anathema". These two verses domenstate we need truth and love; one doesn't work independently of the other.

    I will make a general statement for my third point. The more knowledge we have; the more responsibility we have. Hence; there is greater punishment for those who walk away from the truth and go back to the world than those who never knew it in the first place ( 1 Peter 2:20-21). We only need to look at Lucifer himself to see how pride brought his judgment without mercy; since he was a Cheribum that led worship of music in heaven itself for an unknown time; created perfect in all his ways before that time ( Ezekiel 28:15).

    The fourth point is related to the third; that much head knowledge apart from the inner man being renewed daily ( 2 Cor. 4:16) is at best a fruitless venture; at worst again leads to greater damnation without accompanying faith. Such a man often obsesses on one doctrine and ignores the integrity of all scripture; or worse can justify a sin by not being a Berean and "rightly dividing the Word" ( 2 Tim. 2:15) despite what all their church friends may say.
  • BOB W - 1 year ago
    who tested God 3 times with a sheeps skin
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    The OSAS dilemma

    The discussion I am about to embark on is of a matter of grave importance and it is with much conviction and sorrow that I pursue it. I am ever mindful of the fear of the Lord and the trepidation of getting it wrong that I begin this series.

    I have somewhere in my stash of Bibles a Dake's Bible that the Lord providentially had someone leave on top of a cardboard compactor in the back of a store I worked with (it had a very common name on it and after a brief search I didn't pursue it; no one in the store knew who left it some 25 years ago). My point is that there are HUNDREDS of scriptures which the author uses to prove that one indeed CAN lose their salvation. Ultimately, I do NOT believe you can lose something which God provides and seals with His Spirit ( Eph. 1:13-14).

    Having said that we cannot ignore the plethora of scriptures in both Testaments that show men of God who the Spirit was at work with at times that appeared in the end to be lost spiritually. A chief example is Saul in the Old Testament. I have tackled this subject before but wish to dive into more scripture at this time for several reasons. I have mentioned that it is the fruit of the Spirit that must be an evidence of the new life within; behaviors that only show bad fruit are at best someone who remains carnal in many ways and at worst someone who remains lost and has some other motivation other than desiring to worship a Holy God and live a life of holiness to love and obey. 2 Corinthians 13:5 demonstrates to that church who were immature in many ways something we all need to do. A "reality check" is something which others even in the world can challenge us with if we live contradictory to what we profess; and of course ultimately there has to be a battle between the flesh and Spirit with a true child of God. True believers sense when they are "grieving the Spirit" ( Eph. 4:30-31); which can only happen if the Spirit is in us to begin with.
  • Jim Miller - 1 year ago
    The Westcott and Hort Greek New Testament, also known as the "Critical Text," was a significant edition of the Greek New Testament published in the late 19th century. It represented a departure from the Textus Receptus, which had been the basis for many earlier English translations, such as the King James Version (KJV).

    Satan used Westcott & Hort very well... Hort's son later released his father's personal letters some of the correspondence was between Westcott who was his accomplice. Here is revealed Horts' TRUE thoughts about certain things and there he was tinkering with a Greek New Testament... We see here how he hated the Textus Receptus. He believed in evolution, doubted the creation story, called the Textus Recpetus, and hence the King James Version bible VILE! These two were children of the wicked one.. They were religious unbelievers! They also spoke with the dead!

    Many new bible versions are based on Westcott and Hort's Greek "critical text" is used in new bible versions. These men were total heretics!

    Evolution

    "But the book which has most engaged me is Darwin. Whatever may be thought of it, it is a book that one is proud to be contemporary with...My feeling is strong that the theory is unanswerable. If so, it opens up a new period."

    The Greek Text of the King James Bible

    "I had no idea till the last few weeks of the importance of texts, having read so little Greek Testament, and dragged on with that villainous Textus Receptus...Think of that vile Textus Receptus leaning entirely on late MSS [manuscripts]; it is a blessing there are such early ones.

    Creation

    "No one now, I suppose, holds that the first three chapters of Genesis, for example, give a literal history---I could never understand how anyone reading them with open eyes could think they did---yet they disclose to us a Gospel. So it is probably elsewhere."
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you Giannis,

    Well said, I know that the Holy Spirit is at work in the lives of those who have heard the gospel, as this man, Chris, had from his wife. We just do not know the thoughts and will of those in there last moments of consciousness or even how the Spirit still can work in the heart of someone who is unconscious or diminished mental faculties. God is gracious and merciful. And He is just and the one who justifies. So we can leave the eternal state of our loved ones when they pass in God's hands. He will always save ALL who He has elected to salvation. I do not think that our witness is wasted on unbelievers nor our prayers. God is at work in ways we cannot see or know. So, as you said, we can believe that God has done all that is needed to bring someone to salvation. No one will be missed by Him.
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Exactly... whenever I hear arguments such as the one Daruled bring up it reminds me of a theology teacher who once said to his student who was now doubting sections of the bible or the bible altogether... The theology teacher asked "My brother, what sin are you entertaining?, the student hung his head low and walked away."
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello GiGi

    One never knows whether someone was saved or not, only God knows what goes through people's minds and hearts. I have heard real stoties about people who were rejecting Jesus until the very end, but just hours before passing away repented and asked for forgiveness. So lets not come to conclusions that may not be true.

    My dad died of lung cancer 30 years ago, suffering for 6 years. An atheist as a communist, a hardened man who fought the Nazis in WW2 as a guerilla on the mountains as a 15 year old kid, who never seeked God in his life even during his illness (or at least he didn't show externally such a thing) as said never showed any sign that he believed until he passed away. At that time I wasn't born again either. After I was saved I started worrying a lot about where his soul went. To my surprise after a long time of torturing myself with those thoughts, God revealed to me that he was saved. He spoke to me through the mouth of my 5 year old nephew who never heard anything about his grandfather, also never met him, he was born months after my dad died. So we will be surprised in Heaven meeting people who we would never thought that they will be there. So your friend Kim may be in peace that God has done what was needed to save her husband.

    About the rest she is going through it is true that we don't have answers for everything, but one thing is a solid ground, God loves us and He will bless us. I will pray for her.

    GBU


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