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In this comment, you make a distinction between worshiping the "church" and worshiping Christ. And I totally agree with that statement.
But you also make a distinction between worshiping Christ and worshiping the Bible. The Bible is very clear that every word in the Bible is the word of God himself, ie. Christ himself.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
So please explain what you mean by that statement. Are you somehow separating Christ from his Word, the Bible?
So again, GiGi, please explain how we worship Christ apart from the Bible, which appears to be what you are saying.
I am extremely uncomfortable with that statement.
Thank you
Met her two aunts today. They flew in from Boston. They are really great! Seems Vivian has had a Christian upbringing. So we pray for both her and Kevin to be brought to a strong faith in Jesus and for their marriage to be built upon Him. Kevin needs a change of heart concerning this faith, to turn back to the Lord. I don't know yet what Vivian believes.
Many did due to the preaching and ministry of the Apostles and disciples taught by Jesus along with Paul. Many more Jews held stubbornly to their rejection of Jesus and continued to practice Judaism, though it had to go through many changes as a result of the ending of the temple rituals. The Rabbi's became stronger and stronger in their influence and it was not long before the Rabbi's introduced syncretic aspects that borrowed from the pagan religions they became familiar with. Also, they began to practice occultic rituals that led to the development of the Kabbalah that steeped the Rabbi's into the occult and certainly has led to the deep spiritual corruption of these leaders. Judaism became farther and farther estranged from the covenant practices instituted by God at Mt. Sinai. They invented new aspects of their religion since the temple was gone and Jerusalem in ruins. This led them even farther away of the LORD and entrapped them more by the enticements of their father, the devil, as Jesus stated.
This is such an instructive and sad example of what happens when people take their focus on knowing the True God in Christ and onto religious traditions, rituals, and practices that God never instituted. It happens when people worship the "church" rather than Christ. It happens when people worship the Bible instead of our Lord. It happens when we lose our first and primary love of God and fail to give Him primacy in our lives.
So, let us not be like the Jews who grew further and further from God and truth and proper worship and instead ask God to show us where we are sinning in such ways as the Jews. We pray for God to grant us repentance from improper focus and devotion and ask Him for forgiveness and a turning away from such sins.
There are many ways we can and do sin in regards to the world, but I think that misplaced religious zeal, honor, and devotion is more problematic because it seems to be "good" and is reinforced by other believers.
It is clear that the religious leaders and priest of Jesus' day were bound to the law and the traditions that added to the law by the Rabbi's. They did not want to be loosed from these. They valued the temple and its service by the priests more than God. They were unwilling to let go of these things to believe in Christ after His resurrection. Jesus knew this all. That is why He predicted the destruction of Jerusalem (the holy city) and the temple with this prediction coming to pass from 66 A.D. to the final blow in 70 A.D. Jesus knew that love of Jews for Judaism needed to cease for them to come to Christ. He knew that their hearts were dedicated to this religion rather than to YHWH. He knew that the Jews of His day were deceived and overburdened by the religious leaders and that the average Jew needed to be delivered from the leaders and their system of religion.
Even today, for the past 300 years or so, Jews practice "davening" before the wailing wall which is said to be a wall of the temple. But Josephus reported that the Romans leveled the temple completely down to the foundations. No stone wall was left, as the Jews believe the wailing wall is today. It actually is a wall of the Antonia Fort and not part of the temple. But the Jews worship at it because they still worship the house of the Lord and not the LORD who made a covenant with them long ago. The davening at the wailing wall was not practiced by Jews for 1600-1700 years because before this time they knew that the western (wailing) wall was not part of the temple. Jews today still mourn for the destruction of the temple, but do not mourn for their sin of unbelief in Jesus, the Messiah.
By destroying Jerusalem and the temple, the LORD made it clear that the practices of the Old Testament Law were done away with forever by the obedience and sacrifice of Jesus. Destroying the earthly Jerusalem and physical temple freed Jews to return to God through Christ. ...cont.
Think about the evidence Christ presented that He was indeed the Messiah. Indeed; supernatural blindness HAD to be given; for Jesus even told people to believe Him even for the sake of His works ( John 14:11). And the verse was indicative of His being part of the Godhead. There were HUGE numbers of people being miraculously fed at least twice; people healed of blindness which had NEVER occurred even with the Old Testament miracles ( John 10:21); people who had demons cast out of them; as well as the miracles entrusted to the 12 Apostles and the 70 sent out two by two ( Luke 10:11). There was the undeniable proof of natural phenomenon at the crucifixion ( Matt. 27:54); as well as the 500 witnesses that saw Him; including the Apostles AFTER He was Resurrected and they all died except for John as martyrs; clearly they knew and believed the truth since denial would have saved their lives.
Unbelief therefore is something learned. Children are all born into sin; but scripture makes it clear that they have angels beholding the Father continually and that they were drawn to Christ (see Matt. 18:10). Children came to Christ ( Mark 10:13-16) and praised Him as a fulfillment of Psalm 8:2 and mentioned by the Lord in Matthew 21:16. To deny the obvious requires a hardness of heart and soul; and deliberate rejection of known truths; which of course made the condemnation of the Pharisees greater than most; and was much of the reason Jesus excoriated them in nearly the entirety of Matthew 23. They knew the prophecies but were blinded because of their obsession on the law and all other traditions that were added to put men in bondage and to render mercy and justice meaningless ( Matthew 23:23) with their myopic tunnel vision. The rest of the world if NOT enlightened by the Spirit only looked at Christ as some great miracle worker but didn't worship Him as God in the flesh.
Hence Matthew 16:17 must occur for true salvation.
If we look at the time after Jesus was in the wilderness and began His public ministry; we see what begins as a few healings and public teachings in His hometown appear to rapidly grow with travel to surrounding areas where He cast out devils and did many healings. As late as Matthew 16:20 Jesus told to His Disciples not to tell anyone He was the Christ. The same instruction is in the Gospels of Mark as well as Luke. Jesus would speak Parables; eventually as the ONLY method of explaining these hidden truths to the general public. ( Matthew 13:13). This shows how deep the concept of Predestination is shown 2 verses later in Matthew 13:15 when He explains because of hard hearts they will not be given information needed to be saved. We must come to Christ on His terms; and at His drawing or prompting ( John 6:37). This concept also shows that Christ never was seeking acclamation and didn't want to be set up as King on this earth before the time either; without understanding that He had to be the suffering Savior first. When a man asked Jesus to help him with unbelief ( Mark 9:24) we need to keep in mind that when on earth He was able to raise men from the dead; today we need to trust that He has power over death; hell and sin but we don't have any certainty that He will use a person to perform a healing through the power of the Spirit today. Nonetheless we should ask the Lord in prayer all things which we will apart from those things which are just for our own selfish desires; He ever intercedes for us according to God's will ( Heb. 7:25). Finally; Jesus knew that mere facts wouldn't save anyone; as evidenced in the rich man's pleas from Hades in Luke 16:31; and all other instances Jesus was harassed for healing on a Sabbath Day-they couldn't ever deny the miracles but accused Him of working on the Sabbath and blasphemy declaring that He was the "I AM" ( John 8:58).
Its very true in my experience what you stated, God open my understanding through their writing & biographies
The foundation of their teaching is the Light of God is in every human being John 1:9 & if given heed too, would lead them out of darkness into Light of Life. Once I was convince of this, by the Witness of Truth within, the Scriptures & sound reasoning, then in simplicity & sincerity of heart I started paying attention to His motions within me.
You mention the Ethiopian eunuch, in this story is a lovely example of the Spirit guidance, Philip was instructed to arise & go, he went by revelation not knowing at that moment what he was going for, Acts 8:29 Holy Spirit further open his understanding by revelation, then he preached to the eunuch by revelation. You can be sure that Philip pointed him to the Grace of God within him to be his teacher as he went back to his own country.
Peter, by revelation went to Cornelius house, not knowing what he would speak, but went as he was commanded by Holy Spirit, the Lord by revelation open up his understanding, extending His salvation to the Gentiles. & the Grace of God took over the work of salvation, in their everyday ordinary experiences in life. In conversation, past times activities, relationships etc, separating the precious from the vile in their heart.
Quoting You
There aren't any examples in the NT about an individuals revelation, the 12, the 7 etc. If not, how in the world did we get the NT, from cover to cover, its all the revelation of Jesus Christ
Friend, by the above references it appears you need to pay attention to what your reading. no offense given or taken.
1Cor 12:7; Will you allow God this liberty & right to His own Spirit of Grace within us, as well as to His gifts to the church?
More about Judging others.
Have you ever seen a vision Texsis? Me personally, no never. But my wife has seen a few. One of them was the following:
She was standing in front of God's Throne during the Judgement. In front of her there was another woman who God was judging first and my wife's turn was immediately after. Both, that woman and my wife, had papers in their hand where there was a list of the sins/accusations they had done. The other woman was a person that my wife knew. While the other woman was judged my wife who knew her was thinking of the errors that that other woman had done. Every time my wife thought "she did that...", the same thing/accusation appeared on her paper as well. So at the end she realized that it was better not to judge that other woman so that nothing similar appears on her paper too.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
If we are strict to people, God is going to be strict to us. If we are mercyful to people then God will be mercyful to us well. Let's not forget that our God is Love.
John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
GBU
Good to meet you.
In reading Psalm 90:2, it is stating that God is from everlasting to everlasting, (that is eternal, always the same) and that from everlasting to everlasting, He is the only God there is.
Firstly when I told you to pay attention was not to offend you, sometimes we go trhough scripture and we don't pay too much attention and notice things unless someone tell us
Well it seems there is a misunderstanding. I wasn't saying that God is not revealing His Word to every one of us. That is a universal experience all reborn christians have, some more, some less. But what I do say is that the main doctrines must come from the church itself. Christians are not a randomly dispersed flock, there must be an orginized churh/congregation which is the Body of Christ or at least a part of It. There is an order, God is the God of order.
If you pay atention to 1 Cor 12 in verse 7 it says, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.". TO PROFIT WITHALL, that means that the gifts should function in the church/congregation, they are not something for individual use. God has given them to someone to use them and to profit all the congregation. There are no gifts given in the sense that I get one and then I am just drifting from one place to another or just stay alone at home and still God uses me, there is no such thing. My own experience is that before I joined the church where I am still now, I couldn't understand and distinguish between many things in the gospel unless someone told me (remember the eunoch in Acts?) although I had spent time in reading and searching for the truth. Why didn't God reveal His Word personally to me and had to go to a church? And this happens to all people more or less. About you, before you joined the Quakers why weren't you revealed the truth directly by God and had to hear teachings from them? You see? God drove you to place where you were tought His Word and then He is revealing It further by your own reading. So personal revelation is supplementary to what we learn in the church. Of course there are cases of people who can not go to a church or there is no church near them. God acts accordingly.
The Eastern Greek Orthodox Church uses the so called Patriarcal Text for the New Testament. It is very similar to the Received Text. That text is based on the Byzantine text. The Byzantine text is the text that they were using since the foundation of that church in the 3rd centuary AD. In Rom 1:19, it contains the words "of Christ".
About manuscripts. Not all the manuscripts from ancient times survived. What we have now is a small portion of what was written. But still those small differences in the texts do not make any real difference, whether the phrase "of Christ" is true or it is a later addition it does not matter. It is the doctrines we are seeking in the Bible, not numbers and descriptions and that sort of things. We are interested in what those people knew about God and Jesus and what their beliefs were. And as far as doctrines are concerned they are all the same, whether the Received Text or the Critical or any other. So let's not spend our time in unimportant secondary things.
The Septuagint text was translated from a text that was an earlier version of the Masoretic text. Today many scholars and theologians believe that in ancient times there were many slightly different texts of the O.T. due to errors or additions and comments done during hand copying the scriptures through centuaries. Today there are 4 different texts of the O.T. plus many private translations that the early church fathers did for their own use. The 4 are, the Septuagint, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Masoretic and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Not 2 of them are completely indentical. But the differences are unimportant, they are differences in words and descriptions and numbers and that sort of things. Just for information.
"Why do we say that sanctification makes us blameless, not faultless? Because the Grace of God working in us does not make us infallible. Sin has so perverted our moral and spiritual powers that we shall never in this present life be free from the infirmities of human nature."
This is a subtle lie, cleverly disguise within a lot of truth, whether intentional or not, I hope it was the later.
blameless def; is an adjective that means "innocent of wrongdoing" or "free from blame or fault"
faultless def; is an adjective that means having no fault, mistake, defect, imperfection, blemish, flaw, error, vice, or offense. It describes something that is perfect in all respect
Titus 2:11-14 all iniquity
Jude 1:24 faultless without blame, without blemish, faultless.
From a (as a negative particle) and momos; unblemished (literally or figuratively) -- without blame (blemish, fault, spot), faultless, unblamable.
Ephesians 5:27
The Grace of God is the Almighty, who we have in these earthen vessels; Isa 14:27 only to the unbelievers are these things impossible Matt 13:58 Hebrews 3:19
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"
This verse; in a nutshell explains how; following man's expulsion from Eden that Adam's descendants-more or less willingly walked away from what they knew intellectually about God through the testimony of Adam and others who lived many hundreds of years into idol worship. This would result in the end of the antidiluvian world when Noah entered the ark; and would also signify the reason why God would use Israel to wipe out pagan nations once their "iniquity was at the full" (See Genesis 15:16 for earlier example). Israel was warned repeatedly not to follow the customs of the surrounding nations which often came through intermarriage or by obtaining cursed items. Sadly they hardened their hearts ( Jeremiah 32:35) to do the horrible act in Hinnom of sacrificing their children to Molech in the fire. God also judged Sodom; Gomorrah and the surrounding cities for the behaviors of men there of sodomy. Proverbs 14:34 states that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.
This verse shows that there is a process involved when people drift off into sin; we all can see evidence of God in the Creation; even the Godhead as Romans 1:20 indicates (see also Psalm 19). Acts 8:23 shows someone in the gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity. This was Simon the Sorcerer; whose story began in verse 9. AFTER being baptized and claiming to be a believer he somehow thought he could buy the powers that the Apostles had of laying hands on people and having them receive the Holy Ghost. He was warned that he had no part in their ministry by Peter; and at the end of the story he asked them to pray for him.
It is hard to say exactly what Peter warned would happen to him or if he truly repented. We see; however a warning that it more than power in the gifts but the giver of gifts we worship.
23Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
24But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
This verse is a sobering reminder that "many are called; few are chosen". ( Matt. 22:14). We are reminded of the verse in Matthew 7:22 when people would claim they did many miracles in His name; but that He never knew them. Verse 24 needs further consideration. For the Father and Son to dwell within us ( John 14:23) we need a heart change; as it were. Without good soil; as it were there can't be fruit production ( Luke 8:15).
For Jesus to "commit himself" to someone means that He deems us acceptable "in the Beloved" ( Ephesians 1:6). Let that sink in; all of our "declarations" of faith; blessings; etc. are meaningless unless He has initiated that covenant; or bond with our souls. Therefore we see many examples of Jesus "weeding out" the crowds and individuals who claimed that they wished to follow Him as a Disciple. Counting the cost is a painful exercise; following Christ means an all or nothing proposition; something not palatable for many; in fact most who would claim to believe. As I have stated in previous posts; Jesus seemed to a large extent to provide food and healings to any who would request it. Yet He would challenge them for the reasons which He could see in their hearts for following Him (such as getting their fill of bread). Except for the few that would clearly come to worship Him and/or give God the glory we cannot be certain who is healed and actually came to true faith ( John 5:14 is a good example of this). Even His own brothers for a time didn't believe in Him ( John 7:5). Further exploration indicates that God must reveal Jesus to a person ( Matt. 16:17). May He enlighten our minds today as we ponder His Word.
No translation into any language is likely to be 100% accurate in its translation. However, based on information that I trust, it is my understanding that the KJV translators used manuscripts of the original languages that were accurate. And the KJV translators endeavored to do a faithful word for word translation in so much as they used italics where they added a word here or there to make the language flow.
I am convinced that God has cared for His Word down through the centuries so that today we have tools like interlinears and concordances based on manuscripts that are accurate down to the very jot and tittle. So that we can check out the KJV translation. And there are a few instances where the KJV could have done a bit better job. But these are few and far between in my understanding.
I also believe that God has allowed information for those that want to quibble as to the Authority and Accuracy of the Word of God to their own detriment.
The KJV is itself went through a number of revisions. The version currently published by the Trinitarian Bible Society contains [rightly or wrongly] words and phrases found in NO GREEK MANUSCRIPT.
My earlier question re the source of the words "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 is an example of this issue.
As far as I am able to ascertain NO Greek MS has those words. The earliest I have found is in the 1519 Greek and Latin New Testament of Erasmus. Those words, "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 may be one of Erasmus's 'conjectural emendations'.
I will continue to research that source.
Allow me to add that the translation philosophy employed by the translation committees of the KJV is probably THE BEST POSSIBLE, notwithstanding the occasional failures in applying that philosophy.
NUNC VIVAMUS
God has always look to the heart of mankind, Psalms 51:6 Jeremiah 17:10 Deuteronomy 30:6
The heart is the birthing room of thoughts, desires, passion, emotion, endeavors, intellect, the seat & center of our very being.
It is here that God seeks to work out our sanctification, by cleansing us from what the corruptible seed has planted within us (devil), by the incorruptible Seed, the washing of the Water of the Word, the engrafted Word, Christ, who is able to save our immortal souls. This is refer to in 2Thess 2:4 who exalts himself against the knowledge of God, the Incorruptible Seed, & who's temple we are, is to whom we obey, Rom 6:16,17 "obey from the heart", the Light / Grace that shines the glory & the knowledge of God, the Incorruptible Seed, the revelation of Jesus Christ within all the hearts & minds of mankind, brings us to the new birth, that's of the Spirit John 1:13 John 3:6, therefore we are to 2Cor 10:5,6 meaning cast the devil out by picking up the Cross & denying, mortifying & crucifying self; Rom 2:29
Part 1.
Salvation Is Step One
Salvation, which is when you come to know Jesus Christ, is only the beginning of our journey with Christ. God in Christ bled and died for our sins. It was through that act that He birthed repentance into His kingdom. Now, there's a new life that goes into eternity.
However, there is so, so, so much more to our faith.
The Apostle Paul wanted God's people to understand this, so he wrote about it many times in the New Testament. One of those times is found in Romans.
"I am speaking in human terms because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification." Romans 6:19
Sanctification is a very theological-sounding word, so what does it mean?
Sanctification: being made or becoming holy. To sanctify is to literally be set apart for particular use in a special purpose or work.
John Wesley said, "The people are not happy because the people are not holy." In other words, to be holy is to be fully set apart for the purpose of God, which is the purpose of living into your design as a creation of God.
Wesley believed the doctrine of entire sanctification was Methodism's distinctive gift to Christianity. He called it "the great promise of God" [IV. 138], Christian perfection, the holiness of heart and life. Christ's death on the cross made it possible not only for sinners to be saved by grace but for us to be saved to the uttermost.
Wesley believed that sanctification was our restoration of the image of God within us, through Jesus Christ, by being made perfect in love toward God and our neighbor.
Here's a common sense statement: We walk faster when we see plain, definitive steps before us. With God's help and through the revelation of His Word, God will empower us to take these steps in our sanctification.
See Part 2.
Part 2.
What is Sanctification?
1) Sanctification Is The Gift of the Fullness Of Your Salvation
Salvation is not a static, one-time event in our lives. The ongoing experience of God's gracious presence transforms us into who God intends us to be. It's a movement that God opens in the believer's life and the ongoing experience of God's gracious presence working through His word to transform our hearts.
"If he gives you the grace to make you believe, he will give you the grace to live a holy life afterward."
- Charles Spurgeon
John Wesley described this dimension of God's grace as sanctification or holiness. Through God's work of sanctifying grace, we grow and mature into our ability to live Christ-centered and grace-empowered lives that reflect the very heart of God, not only in and for us but through us for others.
As we pray, study the Scriptures, fast, worship, and share in fellowship with other Christians, we deepen our experience and knowledge of love for God.
As we share Christ with nonbelievers, respond to human needs with compassion, or labor to set people free from oppression-we join Jesus on mission and are, at the same time, being conformed to His image.
All the while, God is working in our inner thoughts and motives, as well as our outer actions and behavior, to align them with God's will and testify to our union with Him.
We're to press on, with God's help, on the path of sanctification toward perfection. By perfection, Wesley did not mean we would not make mistakes or have weaknesses. Instead, it is a continual process of being made perfect in our love of God and each other and removing our desire to sin. Then, when we discover the joy of the Lord, our desire for sin is diminished.
See Part 3.
Part 3.
What God does in sanctification is give us more of Himself. He is the gift of the fullness of our salvation.
2) Sanctification Is Not Works Righteousness
I have an acquaintance from Knoxville, Tennessee, who was a senior pastor at a Presbyterian Church. He participated in a prayer summit and came to know Christ during that time. Strange, right? A man in the pulpit, teaching God's Word, and by his own testimony, God brought the revelation of Jesus during that prayer summit.
If it can happen to a Presbyterian minister, it can also happen to you.
Until a person knows Jesus, the kind of joy, happiness, and holiness we've described is impossible. Minister James H. Aughey said, "Holiness is not the way to Christ; Christ is the way to holiness."
Entire sanctification is not an achievable goal but a gift to be received. Like justification, sanctification is the gracious gift of God received by faith.
"I have continually testified in private and in public that we are sanctified as well as justified by faith. And indeed, one of those great truths does exceedingly illustrate the other. Exactly as we are justified by faith, so are we sanctified by faith. Faith is the condition, and the only condition, of sanctification, exactly as it is of justification. It is the condition: None is sanctified but he that believes; without faith, no man is sanctified. And it is the only condition: This alone is sufficient for sanctification. Everyone that believes is sanctified, whatever else he has or has not. In other words, no man is sanctified till he believes: Every man when he believes is sanctified." John Wesley.
We see very clearly in the writings of Wesley that this is a faith based upon Scripture. He also maintained that he was preaching no new doctrine but simply recovering an old doctrine that the Church had long forgotten. With great zeal, Wesley and the early Methodists obeyed God's call "to spread Scriptural holiness over the land.
See Part 4.
Part 4.
3) Sanctification Is The Gift of Being Perfected In Love.
"Entire sanctification, or Christian perfection, is neither more nor less than pure love; love expelling sin and governing both the heart and life of a child of God. The Refiner's fire purges out all that is contrary to love, and that many times by a pleasing smart. Leave all this to Him that does all things well, and that loves you better than you do yourself." John Wesley, Letters to Mr. Walter Churchey, of Brecon
How is one sanctified? Wesley often had to defend this doctrine against charges of preaching some form of works righteousness.
"It is thus that we wait for entire sanctification; for a full salvation from all our sins, from pride, self-will, anger, unbelief; or, as the Apostle expresses it, 'go on unto perfection.' But what is perfection? The word has various senses: Here it means perfect love. It is love excluding sin; love filling the heart, taking up the whole capacity of the soul. It is love 'rejoicing evermore, praying without ceasing, in everything giving thanks.'" John Wesley, Sermon 43, The Scripture Way of Salvation.
To take on God's character is to take on a heart at peace.
To take on God's character is to take on a Spirit of joy.
To take on God's character is to take on Love. And not just any love, but the endowment of perfect love and the abiding fullness of the Holy Spirit.
When Christ comes into your life, He takes your dead spirit and makes it alive. Therefore, faith in Christ is not merely your arrival but your new beginning in a new world.
Why do we say that sanctification makes us blameless, not faultless? Because the Grace of God working in us does not make us infallible. Sin has so perverted our moral and spiritual powers that we shall never in this present life be free from the infirmities of human nature.
The only perfection possible on earth is the perfection of love.
See Part 5.
Part 5.
Salvation, which is when you come to know Jesus Christ, is only the beginning of our Christian journey.
Sanctification: being made or becoming holy. To sanctify is to literally be set apart for particular use in a special purpose or work.
What is Sanctification?
Sanctification Is The Gift of the Fullness Of Your Salvation
Sanctification Is Not Works Righteousness
Sanctification Is The Gift of Being Perfected In Love.
Written By Rev. Paul Lawler.
One of the Quakers beliefs, Rom 8:14 a continuous revelation of God's will; correct!
This is the 2nd time you admonish me to pay attention, ok; lets look at the Scripture you refer too!
Gal 1:15-17 "call me by His Grace, to reveal His Son in me" Which is John 1:9 Titus 2:11 God spiritual appearance within him, both Scriptures says to "ALL MANKIND" so everyone has this experience, which is fulfilling 2Cor 4:6
What was Paul doing in Arabia? Living & working just like we do, its in our everyday ordinary experiences in life that God works out His great salvation, the sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus within us, which is the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, as we seek to be led by the Spirit of God everyday to know His holy will. Matt 6:11 the revelation of Jesus Christ, diffusing the fragrance of His knowledge in "EVERY HEART".
Friend, your missing out on your personal revelation of Jesus Christ unto you! That you may experience 1John 1: 1-4
2Thess 3:9 for them to follow their examples requires them to be enlighten & empowered by the same Power that they themselves walk in, though everyone doesn't walk in the same measure of the Power, according to their calling within His body. 1Cor12:18
This answers your opinion, what are the ministries for?
I, by no means are saying that God has not a purpose for these gifts that He has given, but they must be subjugated in their proper places. 1Cor12:25 is this case in the government structure of today's Christianity? No, by no means!
Christ is the Head, who speaks directly to the whole body. John 1:9 Titus 2:11 1John 2:27 Isa 54:13 John 16:13 Hebrews 8:10,11 which happens in our everyday ordinary life experiences in relationships, works etc; that God maybe Col 1:18
In Love & Truth