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Blessings.
I would not let this one word in one verse lead someone to disregard 100 verses about God's goodness and love- that would not make sense. God is fair and this is a fallen world cursed- thorns and natural disasters and hardship. I believe our character is being tested in our short challenging life. Just because we face calamity doesn't mean God doesn't love us. No where in the Bible does it promise that we will be comfortable or that the purpose of life is to be "happy" as the world claims, although more peace and love is a nice byproduct of following God's will.
I do think that the apostles knew before Jesus ascended that the gospel would go to the Gentiles because of Jesus had said to them about being witnesses of Him in Judea, Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the world. Not many Jews lived or even passed through Samaria, so being told that they would bring the Gospel to Samaria would have meant that they would preach to the Samarians. Also, Jews did not live in all areas of the world, but they were told that they would preach to those parts, even those without any Jews.
They may not have thought that Samarians and Gentiles would be converted because they considered these people to be "not chosen", but they were to preach to them regardless. Many of them were surprised that salvation would come to Samaritans and Gentiles, but some like Philip and Paul, were not.
How is your vision doing now? Mt. Shasta is a beautiful mountain, but I have never wanted to mountain climb. Your son is brave.
My youngest son is getting married next week. That is a good thing for both of them.
I am staying well, thank you for asking.
Balak must have acknowledged that YHWH had the authority in this situation, even above himself.
Balaam's parable was that God cannot lie, for He is not a man, a created being, and He never sins, like all humans. Vs. 19 goes on to say that Balaam says that God is true to His word. Whatever He has spoken, He will do it.
Vs. 20-21 Balaam tells Balak that he has received a commandment from God to bless Israel, and He hath blessed Israel. This blessing cannot be reversed. God does not hold Jacob's sin against him because He has given Israel the means to have their sins forgiven and that the LORD is with Israel, bot against him. Balaam also says that the shout of a king is among them. I think that this is prophetic, concerning the Messiah King to come (Jesus Christ) who will bring salvation and forgiveness to Israel.
Balaam attests to the fact that it was the LORD who brought the Israelites out of Egypt, saying that he has the strength of an unicorn. Is Balaam speaking of Israel having this strength or the LORD?
Vs, 23 Israel does not possess any of these blessings through enchantment or from divination. but all has been wrought by YHWH and this is what will be proclaimed about the Jacob/Israel.
Balaam then goes on to say that Israel will drink the blood of the slain like a lion. This does not mean that the Israelites will actually drink blood as they are prohibited in the Law from doing so. It is just saying that, like a lion, Israel will totally destroy the enemies.
Balak tells Balaam to either curse Israel nor not bless them at all. Balaam answers, reminding Balak that he told Balak that he must only say all that the LORD tells him to speak concerning Israel.
So Balak again, takes Balaam to another mountain top, Peor. Balaam again says to build seven altars to sacrifice seven bulls and seven rams. Balak thinks that perhaps this time. YHWH will allow Balaam to curse Israel. So now this is the fourth mountain (high place of Baal). cont. pt. 4
I'll share some "meat" with you that you can respond by telling me whether you agree or not with what I am sharing with you below.
In the following three verses, Jesus uses the term "...cannot be my disciple" implying that Discipleship is a mandatory requirement to becoming "saved':
"If any man come to me, and hate not [meaning love less than Christ] his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE." ( Luke 14:26)
"And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE." ( Luke 14:27)
"So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all [of his worldly possessions] that he hath, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE." ( Luke 14:33)
In this last verse, Jesus is again saying to every Christian - in much the same way as he said to the rich young ruler - "...sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." ( Luke 18:22-23)
When I came to Jesus some 30+ years ago, I had the choice to abandon ALL that I had and take up my cross and follow Jesus or chase family members who had rejected me for no reason at all. I willingly chose to make that choice to follow Jesus, and have never regretted doing so.
However, such choices also require God's people to bring forth "...PATIENCE and FAITH in all your PERSECUTIONS and TRIBULATIONS that ye endure" (2 Thes 1:4) together with "... INFIRMITIES, in REPROACHES, in NECESSITIES, in PERSECUTIONS, in DISTRESSES for Christ's sake" ( 2 Cor 12:10) while "...earnestly CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH" ( Jude 1:3) among those who "...corrupt the word of God ( 2 Cor. 2:17).
Given that most Christians profess that they have ETERNAL SECURITY (which contradicts Phil 2:12 and 1 Peter 5:8-9), how do you relate to the scripture verses in Luke 14 above?
Blessings, Alan
Oops I meant to say that Balaam went to a place to be alone.
YHWH put in Balaam's mouth the words He willed for Balaam to speak. And then Balaam left to see Balak. Whether God spoke the words He wanted Balaam to say or if He placed them in Balaam's mind, we just don't know.
When Balaam came before Balak and the princes of Moab, he spoke the words that God put in him. He used his office as a prophet of YHWH to pronounce a blessing upon Israel.
"How can I curse, whom God has not cursed? or defile those God has not defiled?
Vs. 9 is a bit confusing: "From the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations."
Is Balaam speaking of the LORD as to whom he sees or the Israel? The rest of the verse is definitely about Israel. As God's chosen people, Israel will be set apart as "holy unto the LORD" and not mingle with the other nations of the land promised to them.
Vs. 10 Balaam hopes to die a righteous death like Jacob did. In this verse, Balaam definitely desires to have the favor of God as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did, so he must have had knowledge of them and their faith and that it was counted to them as righteousness.
Balak questions why Balaam did not curse Israel. Balaam's reply was that he must take heed of and speak what the LORD had put in him to speak.
So Balak takes Balaam to another mountain, a high place of Baal, so that Balaam can see the encampment of Israel, most of it except the utmost part of it. So some of the people were out of the sight of the place where they went, Mt. Pisgah. Again, seven altars are built and seven bulls and seven rams are sacrificed there. Again Balaam tells Balak to stay by the sacrifice as he goes off to meet the LORD off yonder. And again the LORD meets Balaam and gives him the words he is to say to Balak. Balak asks:
What has the LORD spoken?" So, it seems that Balak acknowledges the God of Balaam. cont. Pt 3
Carleton
This is where I see the point of difference is: that even the appearance of that ONE sin only proves that a state of sinlessness cannot be reached while we remain in these bodies & minds of flesh. Rather to echo the words of the apostle, that like him, we must accept that "with the mind we serve the law of God; but with flesh the law of sin". Sin in all its forms & intensities, will continue to make its appearance showing that a state of absolute freedom from sin is not possible & to believe so, is an unfounded expectation & I believe not given in the Word at all. But teaching that we can & should deal with sin, to immediately confess it, receive forgiveness & strive to be alert to it, will give the believer the right attitude to sin & God's expectation of us in our struggles. GBU
Cont...
Balak left to a place to be alone hoping that the LORD would come to meet with him. This must have happened often with Balaam, but he stated that "peradventure" the LORD would come to him. So, most likely, even though Balaam had a practice of going to a place to be alone to seek God's presence, God may not have always come to him, but did so often enough for Balaam to hope for it to occur.
When YHWH did appear to Balaam and Balaam spoke of preparing seven altars and the sacrifices for Him, YHWH did not reprimand Balaam's way of sacrificing to Him.
to be continued.. got to break away for a time.
Continued...
In Job 42:8 seven bulls and seven rams were offered to YHWH by Job after having his amazing and life-changing encounter and conversation with YHWH. Job sacrificed on behalf of his "counselors" having forgiven them for their mis-counsel and asking YHWH to forgive them, also. In Numbers 23, Balaam also asks that seven bulls and seven rams be offered to YHWH on the high places where Balak took him to curse Israel. Unlike Job, Balaam asked for seven different altars instead of just one. Perhaps this was to have all sacrificed at the same time. Maybe it was a custom to do so among those who followed YHWH, or maybe having seven altars was the practice of the pagans when they sacrificed to multiple idols. We really don't know why Balaam asked for seven altars, but we do know that the number seven is so often referred to in Scripture and may therefore be a number to symbolize perfection of completeness or a reverend way to honor God.
In Nu. 22:40, Balak offered oxen and sheep on the high place before he sent for Balaam. So apparently, offering oxen and sheep was common for the Moabites (descendants of Lot) also. The next day (vs. 41) Balak took Balaam and took him up to the high places of Baal in order to view the Israelites camped below. We do not know if Balak worshipped Baal or not, but it seems so, but maybe most of the mountains in the area were places where altars were set up to sacrifice to Baal and so, in order to view the encampment one needed to go to a mountain which happened to be a place of Baal worship, as vs, 41 seems to imply.
Num. 23:1 When both Balaam and Balak were on this high place, Balaam asks for seven altars to be built and seven bullocks and seven rams to be brought to him on the mountain to be sacrificed. Balak did as Balaam asked. It was Balaam who did the sacrificing, but it was not to Baal, but YHWH. Balaam asked Balak to stand by the sacrifice. ..... cont. Pt. 3
At the end of Chapter 22, Balaam arrives before Balak. Balak takes Balaam to the top of a mountain (a high place where pagans sacrificed to idols) in order for Balaam to overlook the camp of the Israelites and consider how to curse them. However, Balaam tells Balak that he can only say what YHWH tells him to say concerning Israel. Balaam seems to know that God is all-powerful and can strike him dead if he does not speak for Him in this situation. Balaam seems to have some fear of YHWH along with his belief in Him. It is most likely that Balaam had enough knowledge of YHWH and relationship with YHWH to worship Him and be used by YHWH as a prophet. Balaam's faith in YHWH was very incomplete and lacking many things that Abraham had in his faith in YHWH.
This chapter speaks of Balaam being called by Balak from his home country in Aram, which is where Haran was located. Nahor, Laban, Rebekkah, Leah, and Rachel all were from Aram which is in northeast Syria near the eastern tributary of the Euphrates.
With the contact of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob with these relatives, it is likely that there was knowledge of YHWH taught from generation to generation. Balaam was obviously a prophet of YHWH just as Jethro was a priest of YHWH. Midianites were descended from the son of Abraham and Keturah. Abraham must have passed his belief of YHWH to this and the others sons of Keturah, so their descendants would also have faith in YHWH. It is apparent that God calls people from peoples that are not Israelites and communicates with them by appearing to them as He did to Moses. Balaam was among those related to the family of Abraham who was blessed with faith and knowledge of YHWH and with a prophetic voice and perhaps miraculous powers. He was blessed with speaking directly with YHWH. But it seems that, like the Israelites, Balaam was also influenced by the pagan beliefs and practices of those around him. Syncretism was so easily applied to one's faith. cont. Pt. 2
Whatever I have shared with you is what I have put to work in my own life, and all good things come from God, so all glory to God for his mercy and teachings.
Like all of us, I have been a sinner all my life and continue to sin. Thanks to God I am learning to conquer sin. I will give you one example of sin that I believe God helped me to see, and then break free from sin. Over the previous years, I have come to learn and God's Spirit has convicted me that sports is sinful for me, and I'm to avoid all sports now.
As a kid I grew up playing sports, as many children today do. I was a very talented baseball player and participated at a higher level than many of my peers. As I became older sports continued to be a big part of my life. I watched on TV, went to the events, and did bet/wager on the events. Baseball, football, basketball, horse racing, dog racing etc. etc. A good portion of my days/weeks, years were spent involved in this. Family, friends, and acquaintances aided my continued involvement. As time went on, I matured and became a Christian, and over time (years) I began to slowly feel uncomfortable with sports, because many of the players became bad role models, money became an overriding factor, and I could see myself, friends and family spending more time on this, and away from God. Sports became a sinful event to me, as I watched worsening bad behavior, swearing, sex/adultery, bad sportsmanship, and numerous sinful activities surrounding these events, including alcohol, drugs, gambling etc. etc.
I believe God intervened on my behalf, His Holy Spirit convicted me. To this day, I DO NOT even talk about sports with others, unless it is to inform them why I don't participate. I no longer watch, listen, or participate in any way. I thank God everyday that He has opened my eyes.
1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
GBU
Hey brother, I don't mean to intrude between you Hemorlan, and Texsis on this but my understanding is at this time the apostles had not been told the Gospel will also be given to the Gentiles, the time had not come. There were another 3.5 years after Jesus's ministry before the apostles were told the gospel of Christ will be given to the Greeks/Gentiles, the mystery, Rom. 16:24-25.
The Apostles stayed in Jerusalem and surrounding Jewish communities until after Stephen's death, and the persecutions. Philip the evangelist was the first to carry the gospel to the Samaritans, Peter had his dream, and Paul's conversion. To me, it is a fulfillment that Jesus had told them but they did not understand, it like they did not understand He was going to die on the cross, Acts 1:8.
He told them the Comforter would come John 14:25-26 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
They were learning from the Holy Spirit as we see in Acts 15, a learning curve, not a transition from the old to the new but a fulfillment and teaching of Jesus through the Holy Spirit same as we learn today.
God bless,
RLW
And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: ( Deuteronomy 28:13).
Some things in our Christian walk may seem like worldly wisdom; but when we live in a society that is decaying much like the Roman Empire did we see how God contrasts the rewards of those with a work ethic compared to those who don't. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 states that if we don't work we don't eat; and amazingly enough Lenin who started Communist rule in Russia had the same ethic along with some early labor leaders in this country. The verse I have quoted could certainly apply to those who do NOT subject themselves to "usury" which God's people were told not to do or do to each other (see Nehemiah 5:7-10; Leviticus 25:36). That process; of course leads to bondage for extended payment well beyond that borrowed; and has many people in slavery in the world today.
When push comes to shove; when we ask God to provide income He will provide what is necessary in His timing if we are physically and mentally up to the work. To save money should of course be for our families and future inheritance as well as to meet our own needs; but also the principle of saving a little at a time is beneficial if we need to help those in our midst; particularly in the Body of Christ.
There are many other admonitions in scripture for husbands; wives and children to follow; as well as single people and widows.
If we call ourselves "Christian" and are lacking in any of these disciplines and we find God blessing someone who is not a believer because they are following some of these principles we should not be surprised. God is impartial and blesses those He wishes to bless; curses those likewise according to His will. (see Luke 16:9-13 as to how to use "unrighteous mammon"
For it has been granted to you not only to believe in Christ but also to suffer for him (Phillipians 1:29). Acts 5:41 is in a similar vein; namely being thankful for being worthy to be persecuted in His name; which is promised for all true believers. ( 2 Tim. 3:12; etal). The promise of being chastised if we are a true child of God and other sufferings aren't exactly the first thing we focus on
when it comes to God's promises. But of course if we consider these hard sayings first; we can learn to appreciate the more pleasurable promises in a greater way.
The opposite is true of course; in light of Hebrews 11:25. Sin runs its course of earthly pleasures; which lead up to eternal condemnation. For God's children; however there are pleasures evermore in His right hand ( Psalm 16:11). The fullness of life is also mentioned in that verse which corresponds with John 10:10 in living life to the full. Food and clothing are promised in the Gospels ( Matt. 6:25); (compare with 1 Kings 17:6 where the ravens brought Elijah food). Notice that shelter or a place to rest His head is mentioned as lacking in Matthew 8:20; which made some turn away from following Him. Surely Christ Himself did stay in peoples' homes for short interludes; but He also spent many nights on mountains in prayer; or sleeping on a boat.
Much prayer; of course seems to be edifying when focused on fulfilling the Great Commission. God states in Isaiah 55:11; that His word will not go out void; but accomplish His purposes. If we are doing His work; then we can be sure to reap what we sow; in terms of reward (see Psalm 126:5). Heavenly treasures are a promise for those who are serving out of a pure heart (see 2 Timothy 4:7-8). Therefore; the end ouf our sufferings in Christ will bring eternal glory that outweighs anything on earth. (see Romans 8:18). 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 also discusses "momentary afflictions" that don't compare to heavenly bliss.
The KJ translators also used the translations you mentioned: Tyndale, Bishops, The Great Bible, Cloverdale, etc. The Textus Receptus (Received Text) are manuscripts Erasmus used to create his translation in English. The Textus Receptus was compiled only a few hundred years before the KJV was translated, although the content of the manuscripts go back to the Masoretic Text and a few other ancient examples.
The manuscripts that have been discovered since those of the TR are much older that those of the TR and there are a great number more of them from different origins. I think that these are very reliable, at least as reliable as the TR. But since the TR is based on the Masoretic manuscripts (which date much later that the Septuagint and were created by the Jewish rabbis well after the 1st century) I feel that the Masoretic Test is very flawed because of the errors in thinking of these Masoretic rabbis. I just cannot trust the writings of Rabbis who deny Christ is the Messiah, incorporated Babylonian syncretism in their teachings, created the Kabbalah and other occultic writings and practices. I would tend to trust the much older manuscripts that were copied by Christians in the early centuries after Christs' ascension.
About the 2nd case, I think I was clear that I mean people who fail during their strive to follow God's commadements and then repend and clean themselves. Do you still consider them sinners?
Peter 1:23, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.".
You stated that the incorruptible seed is Christ. But I read it means the Word of God. See the next 2 verses, ie 24,25. "24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."
Pay attention to v25, "AND THIS WORD WHICH BY THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO YOU." so it means literally the Word of God, not Christ. Christ is often called the Word because through Him The Word of God was revealed to people. But not in any case that we read Word we assume that it talks about Jesus, it is about literally the Word of God.
About the rest you have written, I am sorry I can not follow you, because I think you try to join things together using verses that, to me, are irrellevant, ie you use Rom 12:1-2, which says about renewing of our mind by the Spirit as new birth, I don't see it like that. Again Gal 3:2, Matt 9:29, to me, they have nothing to do with us having the Spirit partially of fully.
Anyway Frankie thanks for your reply. Don't take my answer as offensive. Just my beliefs are different from yours. Thanks. GBU
I am bit confused with what you say. You stated there are 2 stages of sanctification, the 1st being the state that Adam was before falling, the 2nd is a state like Christ's. But I think that both are sinless states, aren't they?
Anyway let's see the whole thing practically. In science, say Physics, for a theory to become a Law it must be prooved experimentally, if not it just remains a theory, never becomes a law. So we have the theory that people can live a sinless life. Now, the experiment. Have you met somebody who claim that they can live a sinless life? I haven't to be honest. And if in reality that can not be done there are 2 cases, either 1. the theory is wrong or 2. we have misunderstood the theory, it is not explained as we thought it is. In our case it is impossible that the theory ie God's Word is wrong. so that leaves the idea of wrongly understanding the theory, the Word of God.
Yes, sanctification is a progres work, we agree on that, it is the end of the road we disagree.
About a progressive or instant salvation. There are many verses that salvation is aquired believing in Jesus, John 6:47, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.". But we have to work out our salvation as in Phil 2:12 says. The grk for that "work out" means to "work something to give it a shape". So it means, in my opinion, to work out our salvation (which means through our saved life) to give ourselves the shape (character) of Jesus. Then Paul moves on saying with "fear and trembling". Why? Because salvation can be lost. How? In many ways ie 1. if we leave the narrow path and follow world's sinful ways and die in our sins, 2. even if we stay in the faith but still remain stubborn and unrepented about things we do and die in such a state and so on. God gives us a whole lifetime to get things straightened in our lives, but at the end of the meal the bill comes to the table.
Part 2 next.
"To send these two female spirits that were with him from the beginning..."
GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRIST to give us all discernment to rightly divide HIS word. 2 Timothy 2:15
Thank you.
July 2, 2023
I'm reading comments that conclude once God has "saved" us, which actually takes effect in our life when we become Born Again by God's action ALONE, we can actually reach a state of Sinless Perfection in this life. And if we read passages like 1 John 3 and isolate them from the rest of the Bible we might arrive at that understanding. But we MUST compare scripture with scripture and develop our understanding regarding the Nature of Salvation based upon anything and everything that Bible teaches regarding that critically important doctrine.
When we do this we will come to this understanding, I believe:
Mankind, unlike any other life form that God has created, consists of a 1) a BODY(flesh and bone and blood) that we can see and touch and feel that will ultimately die, be buried, and return to the dust (unless we are living when Christ returns). And this is true for every Human, saved and unsaved; and 2) a SOUL (the spirit essence, or mind, as the Bible speaks of our Soul) that we cannot see or touch or feel, but is every bit as real a part of us as our body. So our BODY and SOUL combine to create who we are and determine our complete personality.
The Bible is quite clear that before God applies His Salvation to our life we are Spiritually Dead, i.e. a Spiritual Corpse if you will, and in complete rebellion against God both in BODY and SOUL.
When God "saves" us we become Born Again in our SOUL existence and God has performed the MIRICLE of giving us a New Resurrected SOUL which CANNOT sin. But nothing has happened to our BODY and won't until the Last Day during the Resurrection / Rapture of every True Believer when God gives us our Spiritual BODY and True Believers will become a complete SINLESS personality ( 1 Cor 15)
Before that occurs we still lust after sin in our BODY and will never obey God perfectly and can even fall into grievous sin like David did. This despite our Resurrected Soul and our ERNEST ONGOING DESIRE to do the will of God.
You said (Hemorian as well) that the Acts is a transitional book between OT and NT. I wouldn't agree on that.
In my opinion the only transitional period between those 2 economies was the 3 and 1/2 years that Jesus ministered on earth. And I wouldn't use the word transitional. I would prefer to say that Jesus ministry worked as a bridge joining the old economy with the new one.
In the book of Acts we see that Jews who became christians were still following the Old Law. But that was permitted by the apostles only to give the necessary time to Jews to adapt themselves to the New Conenant. Paul himself didn't follow John's and James' (who were the heads in Jerusalem at that time) practise. Paul was crystal clear in his teachings and writtings that the Old covenant had to be abandoned.
Please read what John and James said to Paul when he visited Jerusalem,
Acts 21:20-23, "20And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23Do therefore this that we say to thee..." Pay attention to verse 21.
Paul this time followed their advice and found himself in a big trouble, in jail.
After Jesus' resurrection only the New Testament was valid. The Old died together with Jesus on the cross and the New came into life together with Jesus' ressurection. .
Now about that "rightly dividing the Word of God", a grk person understands that phrase as "rightly learning and teaching the Word of God", it has nothing to do with dividing.
GBU
Think about it, how do you read His life in the Scriptures
The Sin of Pride.
I agree that pride is a sin. When/if we receive praise/adulation we should not be internalizing it - but offering it back up to God where it rightfully belongs. We do all things to please God and all of the Glory adulation is His. If we do internalize it, I agree, it then becomes sin. I believe this verse is applicable here,
Matthew 5:16
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
GBU
Hi Friend
There's two stages that we may obtain too in the work of regeneration, 1st to the state Adam was before the fall, then as we continue steadfast, faithful & confident unto the end, in exercising the Grace that brings salvation, He brings us into the 2nd state of being in Christ who never sin, although He was tempted. This show us that being tempted is not a sin, only in our submission to it.
I'm presently in this 1st stage & have fallen,
Sanctification is a progress work, & as we continue to exercise Grace appearance in our hearts. Hebrews 9:28 Rom 10:10 the wording of Scripture is "unto salvation", denoting this on going work. Philippians 2:12 There is no instant salvation! There will be encounter with the Lord, where His Spirit deals mighty within us, tearing down the strongholds of thoughts & imaginations that keeps us in bondage & separated from Him, this a part of the ongoing work of salvation.
What I been given by the Spirit, & Scriptures is that the OT is our example.
God was ready to bring Israel into possession of the promise land, then after their 40yrs of wandering, they enter & came into a measure of it, but they stalled again & did not drive out all of there enemies, through doubt & unbelief, Hebrews 10:19 & the pleasures & comforts 1John 2:16 as then so now!
You say "Definitely not the 2nd case" they're cleaned & are continuously being clean. There is a state of Grace in the work of redemption that as one continues faithful to God, minding His reproofs & instructions in righteousness growing unto maturity in Christ, Hebrews 12:7-11 Hebrews 10:21-23 in judgment God remembers mercy. Our Father is a good one, He sees & discerns the intents of our hearts toward Him.
For instances, when we're learning how to walk, there's many falls, but at some point the child learns, doesn't fall any more. The same with coming out of sin, He takes us step by step, line upon line, bringing us through stages of deliverance. If we can overcome one sin, & continue in the exercising of His Grace we can eventually overcome all sin. Like the children of Israel we becomes content, grown fat, thus their miserable history of continuing in sin & ours. Oh, we keep up the outward appearance & lip service, but the inward work of His living Presence has ceased & now it just a memory of what He had wrought in us from past experiences, Grace is Divine Power to continue. 1Thess 5:24
So what has happen? Jude1:4 when it states they deny our Lord & Savior, He's talking about Grace / Light spiritual appearance within our hearts, the still small Voice of conscience. So these intruders has change Grace meaning, & turning it as a means to continue in sin, this would put Jesus as a promoter of sin & making it easy for us to continue in sin; Meaning a Gospel with no Cross to bear & denial of self, which Cross would purges & cleanse us from all sin.
You stated; New birth, regeneration & new creation does not mean a sinless state by no means. This is a total contradiction to the Holy Scriptures.
1Pet 1:23, 1John 3:9 & why? Because this Incorruptible Seed remains in him, who is Christ. They that are Christ has been buried with Him, meaning their dead unto sin, Rom 6 Which is indeed the Baptismal of the Holy Spirit purging out all the chaff. (sin) the old spiritual nature, were self is seen no more, & receiving Power to be witnesses unto Him, meaning we're conformed Rom 8:29 Christ the Head, we're the body, Ephesians 5:30 1Cor 6:17 Is Christ join to sin? Friend, you know that answer!
You say "we have limits all of us" I agree in the sense of different calling within His body for service, but not from excluding us to be free from all sin.
You say, "so sin does not only originate from the flesh, but from the spirit as well"
The body is just a vessel, being animated by the soul & spirit, if we are Rom 12:1,2 & are brought to the new birth in spirit, 2Pet 1:3,4 the body will be follow
You say "in life we have the Spirit partially" Gal 3:2 you decide the increase of you talent, Matt 9:29 there's no limit on how much of God we may inherit..
You say, "that Spirit has not transformed our nature" He transforms our carnal mind & put to death our carnal nature by the Cross/Grace/Light, & by His
2 Pet 1:3,4 God does nothing but through His Son & by His Spirit.
In love & truth