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Thanks Ronald,

And, as I stated it is to learn and understand about you and your views that I ask. We have discussed this topic before in how we disagree in some aspects. I do not wish to do that again. Only understand more why you say things as you do on topics being discussed here. Looking forward to your answers and learning more about you.

OK Jaz

I kind of thought this would be your reply. Please know I respect your choice here. Yet in doing so, you will probably be misunderstood on this forum by many others. And that saddens me. I anticipate that others will continue to ask you to clarify your comments. Even though you say what you post is very clearly stated, it often is not. You may know in your mind what you mean, but the way you express it on here does not convey a clear meaning. I am not trying to criticize you, but only say that communicating to others is important. And in doing so, most people would want to do so in a clear and coherent way so others can follow our meaning and how we support it. Whatever you choose to do here is your freedom as it is mine to share in my way. So, be blessed and do not take offense of me here as I do not take offense at your reply that I am replying to.

God is Unique

Part 3

These other things would be God, not the God of Scripture.

With the doctrine of simplicity, His immutability is one aspect of His divine simplicity. James 1:17 speaks of this when he says that in God there is no shadow of turning. This means that there is no changing in Him and no variation or alteration or degree or greater or lesser of anything of His Being. This tells us that God is not made of parts, that He is unable to be anything than what He is eternally and He is perfect in every possible way to be perfect.

Divine simplicity also speaks of God actually Being what He reveals of Himself and also what we have yet to know of Hm. He is all that He describes Himself to be. he does not have attributes or perfections, He is these. For instance, the Scriptures tell us that God is I AM (IS) saying that He is existence. (EX, 3:14) He says that He is life, ( John 14:6) along with the truth and way. God is light ( I John 1:5. God is Spirit John (4:24): God says, I am merciful, ( Ex. 22:27). John 11:25 Jesus say He is the Resurrection and the Life. These are just some of the examples where God equates His attributes with who He is not what He has.

Another aspect of God's uniqueness is that He is the only God that exists; no other God will be made or come into existence, nor was there any other God who preceded Him See Is. 46:9. Is.44:6-8; Is. 43:10-Isaiah, who saw the LORD (Jesus) on the throne in heaven in Is. 6; and John 8:38-41. This uniqueness as the one and only true divine being is the very basis of our faith.

Another aspect of God's uniqueness is His oneness- He is a unified single God who exists as three distinct persons-the Father, the Son, and the hoy Spirit who all three share the divine nature equally, eternally, and fully. I will speak more of this in my next post on "God is a UNITY".

God's uniqueness sets Him apart from all else. There is no one like Him!

Thanks for your time and interest Gigi , however , I don't feel the need to continue explaining my beliefs . I believe the Bible , the Word of God and I am excitedly awaiting the return of Christ to earth to set up his Father's Kingdom . This is my joy and I'm focused on it . I do think that I have posted plenty of scriptural references and explained my beliefs enough . I don't feel the need to continue doing so , I read the same Bible as you and everyone else on here . Christ is at the door and I'm focused on him and doing my best to live in him . I'm not at all offended or perturbed by people who don't believe the same things as me , so I hope that I don't offend or perturb anyone else . May God bless all who search for His Eternal Truth .

Hi GiGi,

First, I would like to say I hope your health is good and your family, I am not one to post my prayers, but I do pray for those who have asked for them. You have contributed much to this site and have grown through your posts.

I am thankful for the site and the people on it, I look at discussions as a learning opportunity if we are open to studying both views and if we do it with love and humility. I have grown in understanding from those who post here.

We did this once before and I understand that some consider it heresy not to believe in this doctrine and I understand that. I will be glad to answer your questions if it is for understanding and study, I do not want to offend or cause grief of any kind. I do not try to change anyone's mind; it is on us individually for our conscience.

It will be tomorrow before I can answer.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Friends,

I can finally get back to posting Scriptures you can review concerning aspects of ho God is unique. Our remodel is getting done day by day, but it does take up our time along with caring for little Rosie to give mom Vivian breaks throughout the day.

I would like to begin with Sef-Existence, as God is unique in this manner:

Exodus 3:14- God tells Moses that He is 'I Am Who I Am' (Inn Hebrew a word derived from 'to be" This self-existence in part of God's 'aseity' (a theological term you can look up to understand it better)

In John 5:26, Jesus says that the Father and He, Himself, have self-existence. They both have this Divine aseity.

For Simplicity, this is a doctrine implied from Scripture as a whole when considering all of what God has said concerning Himself.

This doctrine says that God is not 'made up' of differing parts, components, attributes, class of deity, or anything else that we as humans have a variety of both physical and spiritual parts that God designed in us to make us a whole human being.

If God was made of matter or any physical component, He would not be divine, but a creature who was designed by whomever/whatever put these parts together in him to make Him complete. Therefore, He does not have a body, blood, flesh as creatures have. God is also not composed of spiritual parts such as attributes, eternality, life, etc. because if these parts are necessary for God to be Divine, then either someone/something else created the parts and put them together to make God divine OR before God was He collected or created all these aspects of His Being and appropriated them to become God, which is an impossibility (nonexistence cannot make anything exist, but God who exists can make things from exnihilo (non-existence to existent components). The other explanations err too, in that if God needed components outside of Himself to be divine, then these parts or the one who created them would be God alongside or even be higher than God.

Hi Jesse: You commented that " I would be wondering why your KJB 1611 is worded differently than every other KJB 1611." It isn't like that, If you recall I said "This forum, mine and my son's Thomas Nelson KJB study bibles, another KJB website;" KJV Audio Bible + Gospel Films" all have the name of Jesus in caps." This isn't just my KJB 1611 reading on this forum. I'll list them below with more information I have.

Hardcovers

Two copies of the Thomas Nelson KJV study bible.

A plain KJB.

Online

This forum

King James Bible with audio

You Version

Bible King James Version

All of these read with JESUS all in caps with "name all in lower case letters.

BibleGateway does have Jesus with just the "J" in caps.



Like I said, a mystery. God Bless :)

Dear Ronald,

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at his resurrection, or ascension, or glorification?

11) Do you believe that the Christ is divine?

12) Do you believe that Jesus is to be worshipped? Do you worship Him?

Ronald, I do appreciate your responses. I truly want to understand your system of beliefs more so that I can better respond to your thoughts when you post here. I love and respect you and love the way you are so thoughtful in your responses. I find this helpful. We are speaking here of beliefs that form the foundation of our belief and biblical understanding of who Jesus is and also who God is. These two aspects of our Christian faith are perhaps the most important ones and they affect every other belief in our professed faith as a Christian. These beliefs about Jesus and God affect how we believe about salvation, Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and glorification along with his power and authority and right to rule over heaven and earth.

Bless you for your care for me. I am grateful for that. Those who I have met on this forum and befriended are treasures to me. I can't wait to meet everyone when Jesus returns and we are all changed and glorified!

Hello Ronald,

I appreciate the way you have spoken about hour beliefs about Jesus. I know we have discussed these matters before and I am not here to refute you, rather to understand your beliefs better. So, again, considered how you responded to the prior questions, I have a few more questions I would like you to explain from your viewpoint about Jesus. I do this lovingly and prayerfully and hope that God will help us in our understanding of each others' perspectives. This understanding will help us to be more knowledgeable about what core beliefs we have in our foundational doctrines concerning what the Bible teaches. I hope and pray that God will help you to explain your answers to these questions clearly and in a format that we all can really gain. Please bear with me if I have asked some of these questions before.

1) Do you believe that Son of God is God?

2) Do you believe that the Son of God is eternal in his existence, as the Father is?

3) If not, how did Son of God come into existence?

4) Do you believe that the Son of God and Jesus are the same person?

5) Do if not, do you believe that Jesus was conceived as only a human person?

6) Do you believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah/Christ?

7) If you answer yes to questions 5 and 6, when did He become the Christ?

8) Do you believe that Jesus, being only human, and the Christ are two entities?

9) Do you believe that Jesus was God embodied in human form (Emannuel)?

10) If Jesus had the Spirit in full measure, is this because He is united in the one God with the Father, and Spirit or do you believe that Jesus was indwelt with the Spirit in the same way as believers only was filled to the fullest measure a human person can be filled?

11) Do you believe that Jesus was only a human person and not God the Son in human nature?

12) If you believe that Jesus was only a human person, do you also believe that He was "adopted" as the Son of God? If so, was it at his conception. baptism, death,

Emmanuel

Re.19:17 "The Supper of the Great God" (2 of 2)

God demands a sacrifice from Abraham and he does as exactly as he was asked. "And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away."(Ge.15:11) That was a supper for Great God from whom all the families in earth shall be blessed.(Ge.12:3). He was after 'our likeness' and a double for the Son.

Because of sin of one man animal sacrifice was instituted by commandment,- the Law of Moses was the shadow of good things to come. God did not spare His own Son and in his perfect sacrifice all the sacrifices required of the nation of Israel requires payment. Sin of man required the creation to expect as St Paul says, " For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God./For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,/Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."/For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."(Ro.8:19-22) Now we shall consider how God allows them to be compensated. The Supper for the Great God makes 'all the fowls' partakers of their blessing.

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;/That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."(Re.19:17-18)

"And all the fowls were filled with their flesh."(v.21)"

Hello Jaz,

Thanks for elaborating and clarifying your view about Jesus more in this post.

My understanding of what you presented here and in other posts is that you believe:

1) Jesus did not exist before His conception in Mary.

2) He was only a human person

3) Jesus was able to speak the words of God, live sinlessly, perform miracles only due to the indwelling of the Spirit of God in His human person.

4) Jesus is not God

5)Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) promised in the OT

6) Jesus died solely as a human person.

7) His death saves sinners from condemnation.

8) If He did not have the Spirit in all fullness he would have only been a mortal human person.

I may be wrong on sone of these points, as you did say that Jesus was God in the flesh I think. Please go through these points and let me know how you believe on each of these points so that I can more clearly understand your foundational beliefs about Jesus. Knowing these things about you will be helpful to me when I read your posts to know what perspective you are representing in your comments. I only am asking this in love for you and after praying on whether to enter this conversation with you, Chris, or Ronald as well as whether I should ask you about the points I put forth here.

Re.19: 17 "The Supper of the Great God." (1 of 2)

The Supper is how the Spirit describes the blessing that shall be conferred on whosoever called in his Son. Jesus refers it to the knock on the door and "if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Re.3:20). Jesus also referred it to a supper on a grand scale where "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."(Luke13:38). The outer darkness to which they are thrown into is not our present concern but all those that are invited. (Matt.8:12)

In the everlasting covenant God entrusts the man with the charge: "And have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." ( Ge. 1:28). They are represented in heaven as memorial and the four beasts as such cover blessings of the covenant with Man as theirs as well. In short, man's stewardship is as solemn as Jesus in his prayer tells his Father,"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition."( John 17:12,17). He also prays, "Sanctify them, Thy word is truth." The word is sound as well as sign. The slain Lamb before the worlds began is a sign. For this reason every animal sacrifice is in commemoration of the last Adam. So God commands Moses, "Your lamb shall be without blemish."(Ex.12:5)

God demands a sacrifice from Abraham and he does as exactly as he was asked. "And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away."(Ge.15:11) That was a supper for Great God from whom all the families in earth shall be blessed. He was after our likeness'

Because of sin of one man animal sacrifice was instituted by commandment as He did not spare His own So..

"And all the fowls were filled with their flesh."(v.21)

Hello Chris.

Thank you for those excerpts from the church leaders. It is quite apparent that the doctrine of the deity of Jesus was a part of the faith passed down from the apostles. And

Hi Jaz,

So true, good verses, it is in forgiveness, obedience, and love.

God bless,

RLW

My brother, go to a quit place and shut the door, and pray t the Father in secret.... Matthew 6:6.

Matthew6:6, When thou, you prayest, enter into thy, your closet, and when thou, you hast shut the door, pray to the Father which is in secret... That's hw you pray, everywhere, by finding a quiet place...

Hi Chris,

Thanks, brother, I sometimes do not explain my understanding in the best way, hey I'm old. Years ago, I studied some of the early church histories and I found some scholars have questions about the authenticity of their translations. I understand you believe in them and that is ok.

Just one thing on Ignatius CHAPTER XVIII it should read.

For our God, Jesus Christ was according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water.

In John 1:10 by Him, the Greek word used is dia means through, on account of, and because of. The word made is the Greek word ginomai means to come into being, to happen, to become.

In Colossians 1:16-17 the Greek word en can mean in him, not by him, whether that changes anything or not.

I know we do not agree on this, but I will do my best to show how I see John 17:5. Like I have said before Jesus was the first thing in God's plan, everything was created in and through Jesus and what He would be. Jesus knew the glory of God's word from which came all things as we see in Genesis, God said, and it was.

When Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost and filled with the Spirit without measure, he could see spiritual things unknown to any man. Some of God's servants did see into the future with just a glimpse, like Abraham, David, Moses, and others. Jesus could see and He knew the glory of God's creation and salvation plan.

Jesus knew who He was and was seeking this glory that was in God's plan before the world was to be his reward after all that he was sent to do was finished. In scripture declaring what is, even though it is not yet, simply because it is intended to be. If God intends it, it already is, even though it is not yet. Being from heaven is an expression meant to emphasize his sinless and holy state and show who sent him was God.

I hope this makes some sense.

God bless brother,

RLW

I'm so sorry Richard , with love I must disagree , Matthew 16: 25 and Luke 17:33 .

Preparations (Part 3)

How do we pray? I am sure that I'm not alone here in stating how overwhelmed I feel and how little I feel I have for energy to contemplate the scenarios to pray about and against that are pressing up against us and certain to occur in the not too distant future. In some ways I don't know much difference between every day spiritual battles and the visible events that challenge us that affect our physical survival.

There's no point pretending that fear isn't ever present. Faith of course involves God's love; and when perfect it casts out fear.

Having likeminded individuals to pray with certainly is vital; and in today's world most of us find few if any of that mindset.

This site is certainly helpful in that regard. Ultimately the fear of death we know through His strength is overcome; but it is always up against us. It isn't wrong for us to have those feelings of doubt and self preservation but He lives in us and directs our steps.

Knowing that the end will come with all the baggage mentioned in Revelation; we can only pray that the restrainer holds things back as much as He can and that we aren't allowing things to commence prematurely as surely the enemy would like to do as much as possible. I've got to run here but thought again any suggestions would be good; surely we must pray on these big events as some things can still be temporarily thwarted. Let us focus on the Great Commission and sure victory to come and as much as possible through His strength keep away from sin.

Agape; Rich P

Preparations (Part 2).

The most commonly marketed method for having something of value in an anticipated financial meltdown that may or may not be immediately tied in with a war or other disaster is to invest in gold and other precious metals. I have pointed out that there are some scriptures which seem to indicate that man's hope in the last days in such things may be dashed. One economist; Harry Dent has predicted when the market finally crashes (something vastly overdue) that as with the Great Depression prices on gold may plunge along with; of course real estate and stocks in general. At present there is a very high price for gold; but I would argue for platinum and palladium as being vastly undervalued and once car manufacturing resumes it will go up. Silver also has a mining cost that is much closer to the present value and has many industrial uses so also is a good long term investment. In general with the volatility of that and say cryptocurrencies and other stocks we should pray for wisdom in such undertakings and of course the temperment to handle the 500 point or more swings in the Dow which seem to be a weekly event at least one day on average.

Switching to a completely different focus; we all should strive to have basic training in things such as CPR; the Heimlich maneuver; and have home fire drills as well as some basic knowledge of how to live in an emergency situation. If possible we should find some way to grow our own food; as well as learn basic trade skills such as carpentry to be as resourceful as possible.

If we can teach children and teens such skills at best it gives them something productive to do with their time. In light of my last post having a whole family prepared also will help the youth reach others in times of need. With the dangers in the schools today self defense is something that should be instilled by parents; ideally it should be taught in schools.

Of course prayer needs to be as important as breathing.

Preparations

It is uncertain what category this should be listed in. We all should pray that the resources and supplies we will need in light of several likely near term events will be adequately stocked and for the Lord to give us wisdom on that. We should seek to be the "head not the tail" ( Deut. 28:13); and that is in light of a broader examination of blessings in that chapter and subsequent verses describing curses in accordance with being obedient to the Lord.

We have ourselves as individuals for those single people in my situation; although I am living at home presently with elderly parents. Most people have families to consider; but we also should consider in a time of need to have provisions available for others. Today there is always some pull for us to give our extra change to this or that charity when we go shopping and many other donations directly or indirectly tied with our local church and other causes. To have something available for others sometimes is simply a Bible for some stranger or Gospel tracts and perhaps a few bucks or a gift certificate for a street person to get a free meal. I am not saying we should be obligated to have provisions for strangers but we should consider whenever say a power grid issue arises (the most likely thing at present on a large scale to affect a large region) it is something we should have a plan for. There are further issues with self defense under such a scenario; and we should also have some predetermined boundaries as to when to offer help and when we must say no. I just have a suspicion that very few have a plan to actually maintain food and other supplies for particular church members in a congregation; for instance. Churches often have some sort of items for particular events in storage; but again perhaps it would be wise to consider having some extra supplies as well as emergency shelter plans for future crises.

Let us seek the Lord in these things. Any comments?

Agape. Rich P

Well, it is as GOD's people have warned countless times,and I repeat, that the door would be shut, and it is already closed, in time and space, for all nations, for all mankind, since now and henceforward, instead of moving forward, they will stagnant as dammed as waters, or piled up, and they will not be able to go ahead. For example, like the waters of sea--> Job 38:

8Or who shut up the sea with doors,and set bars and doors,when it brake forth,as if it had issued out of the womb?--> (Sea=waters=are peoples,and NATIONS,and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation/ Apocalypse 17:15)

11And GOD said,Hitherto shalt thou come,but no further: and here shall thy proud waves(GENERATIONS)be stayed?

All NATIONS,all unbeliver mankind,and its generations,everyone will pile up as if a DIKE were in front of everyone.

Isaiah prophesied: 24:22

22And they shall be gathered together,as prisoners are gathered in the pit,and shall be shut up in the prison,and after many days shall they be visited. -->after the millennial kingdom ends.

This is the Word that matters and will prevail from now on,after all,

the ENDS of the times arrived,and the righteous Judgment of GOD and its consequences,the punishments,will be applied. Romans 2, take a look.

In this new time,this new Day,the seventh and last Day,the reality is that the mankind WILL NOT GO FORWARD with their political systems, and ideas, religions,economic systems,also theories of modus-vivend,projects,plans,dreams,in short,they will not go ahead with their usual activities,with their status quo of activities adopted until this current time,the door is already closed for this generations IN TIME and IN SPACE.And this is the Word that will prevail, the peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues will not go forward with their systems at all.

Luke 17:28-29

In the days of Lot;they did eat,they drank,they bought,they sold, they planted, they builded; but it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Get ready

Hi Jesse: In responding to your comment, my Thomas Nelson KJV study bible Is hardcopy bible not a website and both copies of the one I and my son have read in Matthew 1:21 with JESUS all in caps. I also checked 6 online bible apps including this one and they all have JESUS in caps except biblegatway, Jesus' name only had the J in caps.

What do you mean by a modern KJB as opposed to just a KJB as you mentioned in your post to KayDee where you said "Jesus is not all in caps in the 1611, only in modern King James versions is the name JESUS all in caps." God Bless:)

Chris

Christ's death and resurrection destroyed the OLD and ushered in the NEW.

ALL flesh DIED on the cross of Christ, a new creation was resurrected, the image of Christ and his Father, the equal of Christ and his Father.

Isaiah 43:8 God does not share his glory with another, flesh and blood, they had to DIE, but he does bestow his glory on Christ; John 17:22 and we have been made ONE FLESH with Christ, by his resurrection, we are IN TRAVAIL of birth pains, waiting to be delivered into that PROMISE.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.

Christ is not THE ONE GOD, but by INHERITANCE, is EQUAL with his Father, the one God.

We share that EQUALITY with Christ, by DYING with Christ on his cross, and being raised with him as ONE FLESH.

If we are going to LIVE by the WORD of God (the sword), we have to DIE by the WORD of God (the sword), understand the NEW and DIE to the OLD.

Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

We have the faith of Christ, we have the mind of Christ, we have the glory of Christ, we have the works of Christ, by inheritance.

2 Corinthians 3:18 And we ALL .... are CHANGED into the SAME IMAGE .....by the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 15:53 ..... this mortal MUST put on IMMORTALITY ....

1 Timothy 6:16 .... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light ....

Isaiah 63:9 And in all their affliction, he was afflicted, and the angel of HIS presence saved them ....

Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery, hidden from the ages ..... Christ IN YOU ....

God Bless You

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. Micah 5:2.

A correction:

In line 2 please read Most High Court as Most Holy place (44:13)

Ez.44:4"The house of the Lord"

"And I looked, and, behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord." It is with reference to the glory of the Most High Court, which in the vision of St John bears a new name which is in keeping with the new heaven and the New Jerusalem is created from the perfect sacrifice of the Son." For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."(He.10:14). "for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." (Re.21:1)

Isaiah asks Israel, "When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?/Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting./Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them." (Is.1:12-14) Ezekiel's vision the v.5 to the last line in Ch.48) must be understood as an indictment to the sinful nation which has become reprobate silver falling from Bethel to Beth Aven. King Manasseh's evil reign stirred up great wrath that would not be assuaged "And the Lord said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there."(2 Ki.23:25)

"What does "My name shall be there" indicate? Is it not what the vision of Ezekiel rests upon? "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there."(48:35)

"This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God."(48:29

What is the significance of eighteen thousand measures? (6x3x1000) The Beast is 666. By same measure length breadth and height falls under judgment. A remnant shall be saved of which we read as saved nations.(Re.21:24)

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Yes Ronald , there is no love in violence , anyone who deliberately commits an act of violence is commiting sin and there has as you stated , been enormous violence done in the name of this doctrine , mostly by the ancient catholics . Romans Ch 4 verse 17 . 1st Peter Ch 3 verses 8-17 .

I'm sorry Chris but clarify was the word you used . I've replied to a post of S Spencer's , that post might help you understand what I was saying a bit better .

God was in Christ , in , reconciling the world to Himself . The Spirit of God , God is a Spirit , God's Holy Spirit , ( remember that known unto God are all His works from the beginning ) was in Christ , Christ was a separate living human , Christ knew who his Father was and what had been asked of him , he was different from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in that respect . The lamb could not willingly submit to God's will for it , Christ did , he learned obedience by the things that he suffered , when did he suffer these things that brought him to a state of complete obedience ? On the cross ? , no , his sufferings in his 30 years of previous human life on earth with a family in a community , those years are the years that he suffered as a human , the kind of things that we humans all still go through every day , those sufferings brought him to a state of obedience , obedience that started by being told to go to John and be baptized by him . He learned obedience by the things he suffered . His own human sufferings brought him to the state of obedience and therefore to the cross . He learned , just like we have to . We learn what ? What do we learn by our sufferings ? What is the lesson that is common to us all ? The lesson that Jesus learned ? Trust , faith , surrender , obey . These are our lessons to and if we learn them then they will lead us to our cross also . Jesus said : take up the cross and follow me . Trust , faith , surrender , obey . He learned those lessons by the things that he suffered , in his life before his ministry and during his ministry . I hope I don't need to clarify as I don't see how I can put it any plainer .

Hi , God is a Spirit , the "Me" is the Spirit of God , God's Holy Spirit , which Christ , the chosen vessel , was filled with without measure . He will be whom He will be , He will manifest Himself in who He will , God is a Spirit . He can grant any of us a measure of His Spirit at any time but only Christ received it in full and was therefore the very image of God , but Christ was still a person , a human from his mother's womb he was the chosen vessel , created by God for that specific purpose , the lamb slain from the foundation of the world , the lamb that God Himself killed and skinned to make garments for Adam and Eve in order to cover their shame from the knowledge of their own sinfulness . That lamb was not literally Christ , it was still a lamb , flesh and blood , see the parallel ?