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Jaz.

For some reason a letter is being omitted from my text.

The Greek word is aion.

Greek and Hebrew. There is creeping into the church the idea that if only you know the Hebrew and Greek of scripture yiu will understand it's true meaning . This is false . " For what knoweth the things of man save the spirit that is in man? Likewise then what knoweth the things of God save the Spirit of God"

For was not Hebrew tye mother tongue of the pharaseees? Yet how+many understood the scriptures? As they should have ben understood ? And did not persecute Jesus by their understanding ? " Ye boast in the s ruptures the Lord said but know not Him of whom they speak"

And Saul of Tarsus did he not know Greek and Hebrew? Yet did he understand the scriptures as they should be understood ? NO . Inso far by his lack of understanding he persecuted tye church and was in agreement with Stephens death

" All scripture is inspired by God " therefore if the Holy Spirit was needed to inspire men so to write the scriptures then in the same measure the Holy Spirit is needed to understand what is written .

And without Him we will inevitably go astray be it in English ,Hebrew or Greek .

GB

Hi.

Thanks again for replying.

I hope I didn't upset you.

That's not my intentions.

I didn't give a interpretation on the verse.

I was just giving the original Greek word that the "king James" drew from. (ain)

Here is what Giannis stated;

'In Greek: "eos(until) tes(of) synteleias(completition) tou(of) aionos(time,age)." With the word "time or age" it is meant the "time or age of this world"

Jaz, unless I am missing something, I believe I am in agreement with Giannis what word is used out of the other Greek words that could have been used.

Here's how the strongs have it brought over from the "KJV.

Greek:

Transliteration: ain

Pronunciation: ahee-ohn'

Definition: From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age course eternal (for) ever (-more) [n-]ever (beginning of the while the) world (began without end). Compare.

GB

If you took two long pieces of string and both starting at th same place but one a half a degree off from the other . At the beginning they both look like they are going to the same place . But as they both progress a gap begins to emerge between them and continues to grow as the sting gets longer . In the end the gap will be too wide to cross .

The introduction o the KJV is worth reading . It is not scripture but Ives reveal the thinking and hearts of those who did the translations . If you read the introduction of many a new ' vision' even the ' New KJV ' they boast of their " better understanding "" . But reveal from the very first verse Genesis 1:1 they understand very little .

P

A statement of fact .

Verse 2 . And the EARTH was without form and void.." Everything from verse 2 onwards iis speaking only of the Earth .

It was not the heaveN that was in darkness But the earth . " for heaven need no sun or moon o God is the light thereof

An was not God who needed light ,for Go light nd in Him there is no darkness nor shadow of turning "

But it is Man who needs the light of heaven

Hello Bibleman,

i will be praying for your Mom.

Just for you information, it is common for elderly people with UTI's to be a bit delirious..

Using the word age doesn't change the meaning intended . Sadly , the meaning intended is not always discerned , especially by those new to reading the Bible and those who have already been exposed to false doctrine . The word ' age ' in English , can mean era and some will interpret it that way . If there is room for dispute over the meaning of a word , you can bet it will occur . Jesus says ' I am with you alway ' then , when ' age ' comes after that , he might , to some readers , set a time limit , which might appear as a contradiction . Using the word ' world ' is way more accurate , as Brother Giannis explained so perfectly . ' Age ' and ' world ' can be interpreted very differently and there's no need to say ' age ' when ' world ' is definitely what is meant . I know some people ,who call themselves Christians , who have no idea that this world is going to change beyond recognition . The word ' age ' could encourage ignorance of the Truth and that's not good . Anyone who deliberately and knowingly changes the Truth into a lie is in big trouble , blind leaders of the blind and they both end up in the pit . It's hard to believe that there are such people but we know there are , Christ has told us that these people exist and they will do great harm . We can all make mistakes but , we can be assured that God knows our hearts , so He knows when we have made a genuine error that we will eventually realise and be corrected , He also knows if we are deliberately twisting His Word to meet our own agenda . May God bless us all with patience and determination to enable us to stay on the right path , the road to His Kingdom on His earth . God bless all on this forum who wish to learn from , support and encourage each other in the love of Christ our Sinless Redeemer .

Psalms

Chapter 150

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Hi Jaz.

Firstly let me say I prefer the King James translation.

With that being said, Let me ad on to what Giannis has shared.

When we as English speaking people, when we see the word world we are thinking of the physical world at large.

I believe there is a Greek word for that, and it's oikoumen. "land that is the (terrene part of the) globe;

You will find the word world used this way in Matthew 24:14. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

In Matthew 28:20 in the Greek the word used for world is "eos" (time,age) its an Era or time period.

"kosmos" is also used for the word world, and you will see it used in John 8:23. "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this WORLD.

kosmos is defined as

"orderly arrangement that is decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense including its inhabitants.

These greek words have different meanings and can not be interchanged.

Using the word age in Matthew 28:20 doesn't change the meaning intended.

God bless

Thank you for that Brother , would you agree that just using the word ' age ' doesn't convey the actual meaning and that one word could cause confusion and misinterpretation ? The two words ' age ' and ' world ' , in that context , would imply to very different things I think . Whenever I look at a different ' translation ' , I always go straight to the end of Matthew , so far I'm going to be sticking with the KJV . At least it is an actual translation , not just a revision of a previous one .

Hi REALTKING9

In the parable of the Sower ( Matthew 13), Jesus tells us a tale in which a Sower (God/Jesus) sows good seed (His word) in various soils (hearts of various people). In each of those 4 cases described the Sower is the same, the seed is the same, good seed, but the result depends not on the Sower, neither on the seed but on the soil, the heart of every individual person. Some people have hearts like paths, hard soil, hard heart, which does not receive inside it the seed/Word of God. Others are enthusiastic, others have good heart but afterwards they turn to secular things and don't produce any fruit, and in the last case there are those who receive the word of God in good heart and eventually grow spiritually. So the final outcome does not depend on God but on the individual. God on His side does everything He should do but if the person is not willing to obey Him nothing can be done. Simply God knows beforehand who is going to receive the salvation He offers and according to our response to Him He chooses one or not. A friendly advice from me. In my christian life so far I have realized that sometimes it is not good to rely on a single verse to understand something but the whole Word of God has to be taken into account to get the right picture of something. GBU

Sorry for that "completition". It was meant to be "completion".

Hi Jaz

Sorry for intervening but just for your information the last verse in Matthew 28 is precisely:

In Greek: "eos(until) tes(of) synteleias(completition) tou(of) aionos(time,age)." With the word "time or age" it is meant the "time or age of this world". So the meaning in simple English is "until this world is completed(comes to an end)"

GBU

Calvinism is from John 15:16 "ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

If you do not believe that God chose you, then that is fine. Just do not call a Liar!

"And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." Luke 23:42 KJV

Remember me, remember me, O' Lord, please remember member us. We need thee O' we need thee, every hour, we need thee, O' bless us now our Saviour, we come to thee...In Jesus Christ Name, we pray. Amen.

God knows man, man doesn't now God, however we do know something about God (..."we know in part...) and a believer can learn more and more about God.

"Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding." Isaiah 40:28 KJV

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:8 KJV

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:9 KJV

People might feel if a person knows us or gets us we should know them or get them, however, with God that does not apply, He created us...

God lets us know in His word that we should fear Him. Due to man's human condition or carnal nature we don't even realize that we need to fear the Lord.

"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling." Psalms 2:11 KJV

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 KJV

"...I never knew you.." this scripture implies that souls are actually going to go before God thinking they knew Him and His ways and won't realize that until they actually transition and then will understand that they didn't God at all. (this let's us know we need God's help to learn about Him in our personal journey, and God can and will help us)

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, ... Isaiah 55:6 (also Psalms 27:4)

This is a learning way, "God created us in His image" when a believer accepts the Holy Spirit then a Christ mind can be developed in a believer, so that the believer can learn what God is requiring of that particular believer. A believer knows what they know about God because the Lord has provided the knowledge, wisdom and understanding, all our understanding comes from God. God loves us and wants man (whom God created to be like Him). It takes time to be holy.

ECC 4,this was talking about not being alone because there's a word says,two head is better than one,in this chapter was telling us to try as much as possible to help others because that person u help today might be the one to raise u when things is not going well, also Bible say where two or more gather together my precent were there,so there's power in joining hands together, moreso, joining hands together brings quick and fast results.

Would like to add that the actions of the two in this scripture was about being deceptive by conspiring. Conspiring is when people secretly make joint plans to do something different than what is expected. In this case they conspired against the Holy Spirit which is in the church. I can only wonder the various things that could have motivated or prompted them to conspire, plot and scheme against "the Lord and His anointed." This is a good example of what a believer shouldn't do, however if a believer by chance discovers that they are in error, then God is available to forgive only for the asking or grant mercy according to His will.

I do have one question about the ESV and it's a verse I always look up in every version and every time I do I'm disappointed . What does the last verse of the book of Matthew say ? In the KJV Jesus's last words are , lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world . For some reason every other version I have read changes that last word . End of the world is as it should be considering we know that this world , these kingdoms of men are to end completely and this , God's earth , shall be filled with His Glory and His Kingdom . So any substitution of the word world can only be confusing at least and at worst literally blasphemous . So , what is the last word of the book of Matthew please ?

Hi.

There's many reasons why we can feel a void in the Spirit moving in our lives.

Sometimes it's chastening or just being out of the will of God.

Other times it could be a wavering of our faith.

And then it can be pruning for Spiritual growth.

Sometimes God's presence is not clear or obvious to the human eye.

That's one reason why we are called to "live by faith, not by sight.

2 Corinthians 5:7.

The Holyspirit causes us to trust in God's promises such as Hebrews 13:5-6.

"Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me".

King David had to deal with Chastening and Correction in his reign as King.

But David knew God and trusted God and believed in his promises and mercy.

You see it evident in his Psalms 71:1-24 prayer.

Especially verses "20-21.Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side.

We are to bare fruit. We are expected to.

John 15:7-8.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

There's things that hinder us.

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews. 12:1-3..

GB

Giannis, so good to hear from you and thanks you so much for the prayers for my family.

Hope to see you back participating in conversations here soon according to the Lord's timing, of course. You are missed here, but hopefully your time away is filled with more and more of God's truth in Scriptures and more and more filled with the Spirit for all that He has for you to do each day. Rest in God in Christ, be built up in faith, grow in knowledge of our God in Jesus, and be given peace in your waking and sleeping Amen.

Jaz,

Thank you for your response, and I did not perceive your comment as combative. At this point I believe the English Standard Version is the most accurate word-for-word translation, as it is based on the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. So, this is the translation I use for study and when I am preparing to preach. However, that being said, I grew up in the faith reading the King James Version, and there are passages that I memorized that I still quote from the KJV when speaking and preaching.

Michael

Addendum

My point that I didn't make is that not sensing a powerful move of the Spirit doesn't indicate necessarily that something is wrong with our walk. There can be evil influences that are in the way we aren't aware of. Also God can be testing us to see if we have a deep root and trust that when it is truly needed He will show up. It is sad; maybe reflecting my own poor walk in faith that a lot of times we think we are genuinely seeking the Spirit to move when for some reason it isn't His will at the time. Oftentimes if it isn't sin of commission; it could be omission; or not trusting God that He will see things through when circumstances look bleak. That was something I was studying the other day in small group; the Judges 4 passage where Deborah has to convince Barak to get into battle mode. Other people's sin can also be an issue; such as when Joshua lost a battle after Jericho was destroyed because Israel had sinned and taken items that were cursed and specifically warned against. The collateral damage affects everyone. Again; that is why we have to be careful who we fellowship with.

If we ask the Lord He usually provides someone else to minister to us in our time of need. This happened for me on one occasion when I was basically homeless for a few weeks (a friend let me stay in a run down place). I had a few random people give me advice. Usually we need to abandon our concepts of what we think our needs are and pay attention to what He shows us instead.

Again hope that helps. Be blessed.

Agape. Rich P

Hope you don't mind me barging in attempting to answer your question. It is something that has mystified me over the years.

Getting over the preliminaries; that is making sure that we aren't living in unconfessed sin and grieving the Spirit; and that we truly ARE sensing the Spirit and not some other influence I will post several ideas.

First off; there are individuals going through struggles within the Body of Christ who we may never have met that the Lord wants to intercede for. Whatever a battle is going on in the spiritual dimension we are all involved as soldiers of Christ as I see it. Romans 12:15 says to rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn for those who mourn. There are often demons who are going after us as well as our loved ones or again; those who may be nearby who are also fighting some of the same evil forces.

We realize that only in Christ did the Spirit work without measure ( John 3:34). This did NOT mean for Him that He didn't have to endure suffering and a feeling of abandonment at the crucifixion but no doubt other occasions; just as Paul also felt many had abandoned Him. He had the exceedingly great revelation ( 2 Corinthians 12:2) but nonetheless had the thorn in his flesh afterwards to keep him relying on the Lord for His strength (verse 7 in same chapter).

It is prayer which helps us to garner our strength; and therefore equip us for the battle. This key element the enemy will do all he can to thwart as there is nothing he can't stand like the Spirit truly moving in a local body of believers.

There are people who are living in a lifestyle of sin who can also quell the Spirit. There are also warnings about not having hands laid on hastily as someone could be operating in a different spirit ( 1 Timothy 5:22).

It is indeed mysterious how these things operate; but if we learn to discern His voice and have long term obedience producing good fruit we will have these experiences more frequently. Hope that helps...

My guess is that unlike Jesus , who received the Spirit of Truth without measure , we do not receive it without measure . We are not exactly like Jesus , we were conceived by the usual physical method . Jesus was conceived by Mary through the power of God's Will . We see from Genesis that God only has to speak something into existence and it exists . We were first born of the flesh through the operation of human desire , then afterwards are we born of God's Holy Spirit when we learn and accept the Truth into our hearts through Christ our Sinless Redeemer .

Thank you for your message . I'm a middle aged high school graduate who never went to college , I can understand the KJB perfectly . I don't find it to be inaccessible or intelligible and I'm not the only one , it isn't a foreign language . Which version would you say is the most accurate translation ? And , how do you know that it is ? I don't mean to sound combative so please forgive me if I do but I'm genuinely interested to know which version you think is the most accurate .

Hello GiGi

I am glad everything went allright with the birth of your first grandchild Rose (beautiful name). You must be very glad. I wish God blesses her very much in her life and pray that all of your children together with their wives give their hearts to Jesus. I also pray that Rose will become a good christian because this is the only way that her life will be totally successful, both materially and spiritually. May God bless you all. As far as I am concerned I am taking a break from the site for the time being and hopefuly I will come back soon. GBU

ALL DISCUSSION (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

I certainly respect your desire honor God by using the version of the Bible that you believe is not only aesthetically beautiful but also the product of divine re-inspiration, and therefore is the authoritative translation of the Bible. As you are probably aware the Greek manuscript used by the scholars to translate the 1611 version is known as the Textus Receptus, originally assembled by Erasmus from seven Byzantine manuscripts that were missing a portion of the Book of Revelation. In fact, Erasmus had to translate the Latin Vulgate back into Greek to create the missing portion of the Greek text.

Since 1611 many older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered. When taken in their entirety, they provide a much closer rendering of the original words of the New Testament authors than that approximated in the Textus Receptus. And therefore, they enable a more accurate translation of the original words inspired by the Holy Spirit into the vernacular of the modern reader of the English language.

The original purpose of creating the 1611 translation was to bring the words of the Bible into the vernacular of the English-speaking people. Whether or not we agree on the accuracy of the underlying manuscripts of the King James Version, we can certainly agree that Elizabethan English is no longer the vernacular of the day and is not accessible or intelligible for most modern readers. If the goal of reading scripture is to first get saved, then to grow in sanctification to live a life pleasing to God, and then to learn more about God's expectation for His people, isn't wise to access the most accurate translation of the Bible that most easy to read and comprehend?

Why do we feel the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit on others certain times and not other times

Hello Daniel,

I will pray for your healing.

About 20 years ago I had symptoms like you. I could not eat very much with out my stomach really hurting and I needed to stop eating and rest. It turned out that I had a few stomach ulcers due to H. Pylori bacteria. I took the triple antibiotic prescribed and the condition cleared up and I have not had any such problems since. I hope you discover what is going on in your gut and have a means to treat, if that is the way God brings you the healing. We just don't know, but we still pray for God to remove things that make our bodies ill.

It is interesting; in light of a study in Judges 4; specifically verse 6 (could be 8 hard to read my Bible in this light) that I had earlier tonight it mentions Deborah the Prophetess telling Barak about going after his enemies as if he knew something the Lord had already revealed about attacking; whereas the NIV states the narrative making the assumption that Deborah's prophetic insight was the initial revelation to Barak. There are things that concern the divinity of Christ that concern me in NIV and other versions.

That being said; I am not sure if this is a discussion I had with you or someone else who was insisting KJV was the only inspired version. In that I have to draw the line; the Geneva was earlier; along with Tyndale and I would suppose Latin Vulgate; at any rate there can be no perfect translation that makes literary sense from the original text. There are multiple numerical figures in different texts. There are also different Biblical texts that were from Africa; for instance. The original Greek; Hebrew or Aramaic have words that have more than one meaning at times; there are names that may represent the same person or city name that could be others (such as an issue with archeology); there are similar stories in the Gospels that may or not be the same event; etc. I am in agreement that the Pastor was immature in stating that just because it was an "old book" or something to that affect" that he wouldn't read it. The "thee" and "thou" words to me are unnecessary in KJV.

So I am sorry I can't agree totally with the KJV only crowd. I would say that there are certain aspects to truth that may actually be clearer in a different version; and more often when reading several different variations a fuller understanding may commence. We should be vigilant to make sure we aren't reading a largely spurious rendition; and at least very cautious with NIV. I think someone can find enough of the Gospel to be saved in either case; however.