Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 63

  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 11 months ago
    it is indeed, when you die then your next "conscious" thought is Jesus saying arise with the rest of the dead saints. Regardless of how much time has passed.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 11 months ago
    God's joy

    Luke 15:10 states that there is joy in heaven over one sinner who repents among angels. It also says there is more joy there than in 99 who need no repentance (verse 7) in heaven; which should signify among the Godhead as well.

    I hesitate to get into the positive aspects of God's demeanor for one thing because of the admonitions in Ecclesiastes 7:2. Our true joy should come to us as it did for our Lord described as a "man of sorrows" ( Isaiah 53:3). He rejoiced in doing the Father's will; which at times no doubt coincided with certain acts such as the water turning into wine and with seeing the great faith of just two people mentioned in scripture; the woman who begged for the "crumbs under the table" ( Matthew 15:28) and the verse about the Roman Centurion ( Matthew 8:5-9). In the first case; and likely the second these individuals were not Jews which makes these things even more remarkable. As I said before even the Temple was a place that caused indignation because He was zealous for God's house to be free of money making during the Sabbath (there were at least 2 purgings there in the Bible; perhaps 3).

    Another thing today; of course related to God's disposition of rejoicing over us; or His love and blessings is how twisted the mindset of the church is. We cannot have a God of perfect love without Him also having a perfect and Holy indignation. True love rejoices over the truth ( 1 Cor. 13:6). And of course greater love has no man than dying for His friends ( John 15:13). It is from love that God saves us as well as chastises His own. It seems many today want to remain immature in their faith and insensitive to the Spirit calling them; oftentimes through other believers or even the observations of nonbelievers in their lives.

    Being born again should be the beginning of the story not the end for this life because this world is the only opportunity we will have to grow in sanctification and to earn imperishable rewards (or lose them).
  • Oseas - 11 months ago
    Our Lord JESUS always said in advance what would go to happen to Him. For example Matthew 16:21: ->From that time forth began JESUS to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

    Well, by the same Spirit of our Lord JESUS, we can say that each passing day His people, the believers, get closer to the beginning of the last seven years of the Devil's world- Matthew 24:15-25, and will also enter within the worst of evil environments, created and established by the Devil in whole Earth.

    Get ready, yeah, get ready

    Re.2:25-29

    25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

    26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

    27 And he shall rule them with a ROD of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

    28 And I will give him the morning star.

    29 He that hath an ear, let him HEAR what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



    Re.9:1-3 & 6 & 11-12

    1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

    2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

    3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

    6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

    12 One WOE is past; and, behold, there come TWO WOES woes more hereafter. --> John 16:12-15
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 11 months ago
    To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ( 2 Cor. 5:8).
  • Momsage - In Reply - 11 months ago
    I mentioned this to you because you said "So there are no minor or major prophets as some Bible Scholars seem to divide God's servants. All are absorbed in the single measure of Jesus Christ as the Man component in the Fellowship of God with Man. I see you were just saying that some Bible Scholars divide them - sorry my bad. God Bless :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 11 months ago
    "I don't believe that the Pope is speaking for God allowing for same sex marriages and the Pope isn't great, matter of fact I believe the the Pope is Satan himself." I don't believe he speaks for God either and, indeed, he personifies Satan himself. I was being factious. I left Catholicism too when I left my Catholic home at 18. I couldn't stand it and was so relieved when it was in my past.

    I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "and have been searching for a long time for the "true" religion." "True religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:7. Because you are a true believer, God is in your heart, soul and mind. You belong to God. Those who are true believers are The Church of God, sometimes called the Kingdom of God. You are a part of the Body of Christ. This is your religion. James is saying if you love God you will show His love unconditionally, but especially to the needy and keep yourself holy. If you wonder how you can "keep unspotted in the world" do this - read Exodus 20: 1-17. These are the ten commandments of God-not laws-commandments written by God Himself. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5: 3 and Jesus said: "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:30. Some Christians teach a Sinning/Christian doctrine but this is false. We may have weakness and faults as a true believer. These are not sins. When we are born again we are not "perfect", of course, but God helps us overcome these weaknesses and faults by maturing in Him but we are to "go and sin no more." John 8: 3-11/ 11- ....... And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." I know I have been preaching :) and if I have presumed things about you that are wrong please forgive me, I just want to help if I can. God Bless :) I hope you will respond.
  • Adam - In Reply - 11 months ago
    I believe your interpretation. There's more Biblical support for the dead to sleep awaiting the return of Jesus, then all have the day of judgement. some assume Christians skip this but the Bible says all will face it.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    God's wrath taken out on His Son.

    Paul Washer has brought up a point often said that we should always reflect on regarding the crucifixion. Namely; the Lord's suffering was primarily because He had to take on the sins of all His elect which was far greater agony than the crucifixion. I don't have the date of the sermon I saw the other day but he also mentioned how many saints have died and rejoiced during martyrdom so that clearly Christ had a burden none of us who are believers ever will have to endure. Having the Father turn away after eternal fellowship beforehand is incomprehensible; this explains why it was a done deal when He said "it is finished". For all eternity in the future He will be exalted and no longer suffer as He did for that brief moment in history.

    This situation is the ultimate mind bender to comprehend. How could God be angry with His Son who was also fully God? This was due; of course to the counsel of God or as Deuteronomy 29:29 states part of the "hidden counsel of God" which we mortals cannot peer into at least in full. He took on what we deserved; and if it weren't for this; we all would spend eternity separated from God in hell with all unregenerate sinners. To be more precise; God directed His wrath at Christ who was the sin bearer for us. In His omnipotence He surely knew that in the future His Son would be restored; resurrected and once again rule with Him.

    There are no words to describe what was done in our behalf as our Redeemer.

    With this in mind; when we see the incident mentioned with Ananias and Sapphira; or here admonitions that some die taking communion unworthily we certainly don't have any room for anything but humble adoration and fear of the Lord. Greiving the Spirit is something a believer can relate to; whereas the world at large has no appetite for the Lord; His love or His righteousness no matter how carefully they try to bend it to their own imaginations of a humanistic or idyllic world.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    God's jealousy

    God chastises; no doubt many times in scripture because he is jealous for His Name's sake when idols were worshipped such as the golden calf; or a cursed item was stolen thus resulting in military defeat until the perpetrator was exposed.

    Jesus went through the Temple casting out the moneychangers in John 2:17 reflected from the prophecy of Psalm 69 of zealous behavior because the Temple was to be a place of prayer for all nations ( Isaiah 56:7). (Zealous and jealous I would say are pretty similar). Judging by the violent overthrow of the tables and scattering of the animals this was no wimpy protest.

    God's anger

    Another act of Christ was excoriation of the Pharisees. This basically takes up all of Matthew 23. There was the effect of their hypocrisy on others as well as the love for the true law of God that led to such a tongue lashing here. These outer actions; of course came from a bad heart which Jesus doesn't mince words in describing here.

    Much of Christ's anger was directed as righteous indignation and chastisement in order to establish the Disciples as men of God.

    The fact that they didn't even grasp the necessity for His death on the cross until it happened helps to explain how they didn't get many of the lessons He intended to give them in the Parables; and other life lessons as they traveled with Him for over 3 years of His ministry. Seeing the incident with Peter in Matthew 16:17-23 we see a complete reversal of Christ stating that only God could have revealed who He was to Peter; to Him rebuking Peter just 6 verses later when he didn't want to allow Christ to fulfill His destiny because of thoughts that came from Satan. This shows that much of what God does is in response to supernatural prompts as it were that affect our actions or conversation. Peter was an open vessel; which was advantageous in receiving wisdom from above; but also let in Satan's ideas which attempted to stoke his own pride and self confidence
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    God as a jealous God: Looking deeper into the covenant with Israel

    All men were created according to God's purposes and therefore are subject to God who is the Lord over the whole earth. Psalm 139 discusses how man was "fearfully and wonderfully made" so therefore before the fall we had the capacity to walk in perfect innocence before the Lord. The capacity or potential for evil and sin was present; however and we see that occurring with Lucifer as well as Adam and Eve in the garden (although with the angelic beings there may have been a longer period of time for their fall). In a sense it "rains upon the just and the unjust" ( Matt. 5:45) so that in this life there is a restraint of judgment on sin.

    The Lord chastises all those who are His own; therefore this principle applies to individuals as well as those who were part of those He brought forth in the Exodus up until the Israel of the present day. Being on the side of God as opposed to the pagans doesn't give room for justification of pride; and being a recipient of blessings around us for a season doesn't guarantee our own salvation either ( Romans 9:6-7). This passage shows a bloodline who were in God's geneology didn't guarantee anything either.

    Yesterday I considered the incident starting in Numbers 16 with the rebellion of the sons of Korah. Mercifully; there are Psalms from their descendants who survived that seem to bring hope that some were repentant after this terrifying judgment. The complaints the next day after the 250 were sucked down into the earth (which was directed to Moses) of somehow fomenting God's anger resulted in a plague. The incidents of rebellion among the exiles are too many tomention here; it is noteworthy to note that only Joshua and Caleb from that original generation were allowed to cross the Jordan after nearly 40 years wandering around in the desert. Moses surely was a child of God but couldn't make it due to one specific incident striking a stone in anger.
  • D.E.S. - 11 months ago
    I am lost on this question . I can't seem to find if and where it says this in the Bible.... Please help.

    I hear Preachers saying that when we die and Christian that we go straight to Heaven .

    I have found John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    And what don't help me is reading that when Jesus comes back and rise the dead in Christ .... Who is he raising if we are already in Heaven ?

    I also found where Jesus said that we we die it is as sleeping , and would be as a second to the dead when God comes for them

    Please anyone help , if anyone can give me the Book / Chapter and Verse .

    My wife Died not long ago and if this is not in the bible I don't wish to be changing what the Bible is saying by helping to spreading this , by telling all that she is in Heaven at this point.

    Thank you and God Bless
  • Oseas - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    Dearest Adam

    The Word is GOD the Father, around 2000 years ago He was made flesh in the womb of a virgin(For with GOD nothing is impossible), and the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was JESUS, understand? Acts 4:11-12:->11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Yes indeed, GOD the Father also hath highly exalted JESUS, and given Him a NAME which is above every name: Ph.2:9 KJV

    In fact, JESUS or JOSHUA is the only NAME of GOD, and it is above every name.

    You asked: Even above Jehovah? Well, well, who is Jehovah? Jehovah is the name of the father of the Jews, don't you know? It is what JESUS, the own GOD made flesh, said to the Jews: John 8:44-45

    But Jeovah is not the only name of the father of the Jews. They invented several names for their god mainly in the modern world. In antiquity there were several names of god, to this day there is even the star of the god Remphan on the flag of the current esoteric and kabbalist and spiritualist Israel(the star of David has nothing to do with the current witchkraft of the Jews), whose country to this day is full of idolatries and sorcery, the holy city today is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

    By the way, in the begining of October 2023, I posted here to GIANNIS saying to him that YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh, Yehovah, Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the Devil, or NICKNAMES of Devil.

    I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic and esoteric, and spiritists sources to speculate GOD's NAME. Think about it. Tares will now be cast into the fire to be burned for everlasting time.

    Be careful and get ready to meet JESUS- Matthew 25:6-13

    GOD BLESS
  • Tntnival - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Adam thank you for your reply, I totally agree with you on everything you said I have researched most holidays and they derived from pagan rituals. Again thank you and God bless everyone.
  • Tntnival - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Thank you for your comment Monsage, I don't believe that the Pope is speaking for God allowing for same sex marriages and the Pope isn't great, matter of fact I believe the the Pope is Satan himself. I lost my faith in Catholic religion a long time ago and have been searching for a long time for the "true" religion but I find fault in most that I have researched. Its hard in these days and times to find the narrow road with all that is happening in the world today. I pray everyday for Jehovah's kingdom and wait patiently hoping all will find the right path to everlasting life. God Bless everyone.
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    Father, God the

    God is a Spirit and His holiness is the name, which He expressed when He declared, 'Thou art my Son'. (Ps.7-8). We can understand the significance of this from this, "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." ( John 17:6-NKJV; John 6:37). Holiness in the matter of the name creates a Holy Family not of flesh and blood but on the basis of faith. The key to the Father Son relationship is faith with works. "If then I be a father, where is my honour?" (Mal.1:6). There are well meaning Christians who is proof against spiritualizing the word. They take literally and go by sense than the Spirit. So what is the wisdom which they go by? Wisdom of heaven is free and they would rather be called Pharisees than take it. Faith is what required. If we see still arguments over humanity and deity of Jesus in our forum it just proves why. Their intellect is their security blanket and cannot let go.

    Salvation plan of God is on the basis of the Father Son relationship. The earth as a mirror of heaven. This shall be completed when the tabernacle of God is among men. (Re.21:3)

    Separation of sons of God from the unbelieving world is the work to which Jesus referred, My Father works hitherto and I work, and he opened a new and living way. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Co.6:17)
  • Adam - In Reply - 11 months ago
    It's my opinion that the Pope and its Vatican city empire are not Christian. I think many well-meaning Catholics are Christian though- if they truly follow Jesus. However, just like Mormonism, when you start peeling back the layers of its administration, you see massive corruption and violation of God's word in the organization.

    Many Catholics hold Mary to a higher position than Jesus and even worship graven images. There's plenty of photo and video proof of people worshipping, praying to, and bowing down to statues of Mary- very common in Latin America and many places. Millions and millions do this. There's also strange gargoyles and images of demons on old Catholic church buildings which makes you wonder what is really behind that.

    Lots of well-meaning protestants also teach their kids to worship Santa Claus so there is plenty of sin and corruption to go around. Even putting pagan symbols in the churches, like Christmas trees. I've never understood the thinking behind that.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Adam,

    Holy is his name, and Mary is referring God. As the Word become flesh Jesus claimed 'I and my Father are one.(John10:30)

    In his humanity he was faithful and true witness to the Word. In his resurrection he triumphed over death. God gave him a name cannot be greater than holiness which is His nature. "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:/That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;/And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."(Ph.2:9-11)
  • Adam - 11 months ago
    This verse jumped out at me:

    "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" Philippians 2:9 KJV

    "above every name". Even above Jehovah?

    "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Psalms 83:18 KJV

    Jehovah's name was the highest name before.

    I'm posting this for input not as a trivia question.

    It seems to say that the name of Jesus after His sacrifice was placed above the name of Jehovah, do you believe this and if so should this reality affect our Christian walk?
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    "Free-Will"

    God called the whole mankind. It cannot be otherwise since Fellowship of God with Man was by a decree and the Man component represents the whole. (Ps.2:7-8).

    The Man signifies the Slain Lamb before the worlds began. It is an emblem that shall be found in the new heaven and the earth where the Throne of God and of Lamb is called Zion. This Man component where the Son is the Saviour of the World, and not for a few shall allow only those who join with him by covenant (Ps.50:4). He is designated a saint and the elect.

    After setting word in the heart God gave man a choice.

    "See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil." (De.30:15)

    Predestination is consequently conditional. "Choose life and we are set on a different time frame than that of the flesh and blood." Misconception of predestination as taught by some sects makes Atonement a feeble copy of God's glory. For the same reason denying free will would be heresy. We have its perfect example in Jesus. He was God the Son and yet he obeyed God. Free will was not his personal glory but laying it for the greater glory of his Father. He did so he fitted the expression, 'the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Re.13:8)'. So predestination of God is Obedience on the part of the Son for the glory of the father. It must be thus with every one who would be called child of God.

    In the parable of the Two Sons (Mt.21:28-31) the elder refused to go to the vineyard. His free will allowed him to say no to his father. But he regretted of letting down his father so he went to the vineyard after all. In his obedience he glorified his Father. His younger brother paid lip service to his father but exercised his free will. From this we have the significance of predestination and free will.
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    "Firstborn, the slaughter of the"

    Here we have a clear proof that the divine Will of the Father is complete since the fulfilling aspect of it is devolved on the Son. God is one. ("Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"-De.6:4) In its function the Wisdom aspect must work with the Power principle of God so Trinity explains power and glory of the eternal God. In short order of the kingdom of God is the Law or the Word. John 1:1 states that the Word was with God. On the contrary Satan is the father of confusion. Satan sins from the beginning so Jesus Christ was manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever has resisted him is the son of perdition. Then as now.

    In the divine Will the Lamb slain before the foundation of the Word is determined. Against that we need consider all the martyrs from Abel onwards to which Jesus alludes at the end of woe to ye discourse in Matt.23. God the Father had made provisions for the collateral damage of sin. Against the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world slaughter of the firstborn has to be weighed. Who shall accuse God of genocide or crime against humanity.

    By the same token how shall we compare the murder of six million Jews in the 20th century by what whole scale slaughter in Gaza or in West Bank being carried out with impunity? God has set his Son as the slain Lamb for the whole mankind. God is the Judge.

    (See under M-Mode/ Law of Gradation)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Johnny,

    You showed strength by hanging on so far. Life can be tough because you are only in shape because you took hard knocks yourselves. Now you have come to the hardest part. Simply leave it to God and trust that He was all along walking unseen how far you would do it by your own strength. "I am the Life" He said. I found it simply amazing. You will also if you let him. What you must get done today, do it with firm hand as best as you know how. God helps a cheerful giver, in this sense you have taken so much and now enough is enough and give it with God as your help. May God help you. I pray now a prayer for you. Believe He is good. Amen
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Concluding statements on the "emotions" of God related to His covenants

    It has been said that the book of Revelation is the "Grand Central Station" of scripture. Here we see His righteous 144,000 and their entourage of countless multitudes which overcome; and the return of Christ where He rules and reigns from Jerusalem (as stated in Revelation 19-21) and finally the last chapter which goes to the eternal state. The struggle of Israel at that time is brought forth in Revelation 12 with the woman and the other signs of the sun and moon and stars.

    When considering the extent of God's wrath we understand it is eternal (and conversely also for all the saved saints enjoying bliss in heaven). Man was made with eternity in their hearts ( Ecclesiastes 3:11) as God Himself is eternal who is their Creator. The seemingly volatile and unhinged behavior that many outside the faith blame the God of the Bible of having is in reality evidence of His longsuffering; we see a preview of hell for the first time literally in the book of Numbers 16:22-35. This was due to the sons of Korah attempting to be part of the priesthood and to usurp the authority of Moses. We see evidences of the people attempting to intercede to stop more widespread destruction in verses 22 to 24 with some success; also in verses 45 through 48 Moses didn't have to ask what to do after God promised widespread judgment; he was allowed to intercede standing in front of the Lord between the dead and living (v. 48). These chapters are interesting and warrant further study as to things that are purified and made holy and in light of the present observations more I'm sure could be deduced.

    These and other passages show that the Lord offers a way out from His wrath in His prescribed methodology only. The rebellion the day after people literally were swallowed up and sent to hell because of being annoyed with Moses for God being angry and following through on His threats serves as a warning to us all.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    "Emotions of God" as related to Moses (cont).

    The act of intercession; therefore is something crucial to communication throughout scripture that indeed gives us some insight of Hebrews 7:25 (He ever lives to intercede for us). Daniel also repeated this theme in Daniel 9:8-10. God's promise here was the prophetic insight given in Jeremiah 29:10. God stated this would happen; so it appears to be a done deal. There was no promise how many would do this; as is evident from the small group that initially rebuilt the wall; and the disobedience of many was seen with marriages to foreign wives. No doubt worldliness had affected the hearts of those who should have remembered the prosperity God gave them in Babylon and His promises to return after that time. It is a wonder that confession of the sins of church congregations isn't given much attention as compared to particulary egregious ones of individuals as it still affects the overall witness as we see from exhortations written for the churches in Revelation 2 and 3; for example.

    Look at God's faithfulness to Israel as stated in Jeremiah 31:36 where the courses of nature would have to change with the sun and moon for God to abandon His covenant promises. In fact the only covenant changed is that related to the method of worship with the law and sacrifices which was of course replaced by the perfect sacrifice under Christ which abolished therefore the old ordinances. (see Hebrews 9-10). The object of worship was therefore Christ; God had stated in Isaiah 1:11; see also Psalm 69:31.

    In understanding the New Covenant we should perceive that it is still the same God with the same characteristics today that existed in the Old Testament from eternity. We would on the surface expect that to be a "no brainer"; but how often do we see the fear of God demonstrated as in Acts 5:1-11 with Ananias and Sapphira? Our commitments to God should not be of fools ( Ecclesiastes 5:4). See Matthew 5:33-35 for ungodly vows.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    The "emotions" of God: Covenant of Abraham

    When examining this covenant promising the land to Abraham (actually to his descendants eventually who would actually own the land) starting in Genesis 15; we notice that what this had in common with Adam's covenant was the fact that the recipient was put into a deep sleep; in neither case did either party have anything to do with it; it was therefore God swearing by Himself (again showing in the Trinity there was more than one witness involved; perhaps alluded to in Deut. 19:15; Heb. 6:13).

    Genesis 16:18-33 we have the famous interchange between Abraham and the Lord over the matter of preserving Lot if there were 50 righteous men; down to the total of 10 where Abraham finally stopped nagging God on the subject for the lack of a better description. Here we have a perfect example of chastisement of Lot during the ensuing judgment where he later escapes as through through the skin of his teeth. Abraham no doubt was considering this situation as it is unlikely anyone else in that wicked place would be on his mind. We also see through the two angels that went on to see if things were as reported to God the idea of authority; and the fact that God cannot look onto sin.

    In the situation of Moses pleading with God not to destroy everyone in the wilderness and start a new nation through Moses

    in Deuteronomy 9:14 the Lord actually says to leave Him alone to do this. We can take this as rhetoric to initiate a response; but this apparent conflict with sovereignty is our problem not God's: we haven't the right to bend scripture around things that seem out of character in our minds. This should give us insight into how the Godhead operates; again Christ's sacrifice keeps us from the wrath of God and His role in the Godhead was clearly distinct from the Father. It shows clearly that God wants us to remind Him of His covenant; that is good application to a marriage struggle when praying for healing and restoration.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    The "emotions" of God: Covenant relationships and their implications.

    My previous posting mentioned covenants as a major facet in explaining the reactions of God toward His own children as a focus but having repercussions for the whole earth. God has established this world itself for eternal purposes; and He will have a new heaven and earth to eventually rectify the sin issue once and for all. Death; of course entered the picture and marred everything on earth and even apparently in the heavens as even the stars aren't pure in His sight ( Job 25:5).

    The first "marriage" may not seem as such without any formal ceremony but nonetheless God designed it with Eve being taken out of man to be a permanent covenant. They would of course have lived forever without sin (likely without the tree of life) but nonetheless they would have ensured it by eating from that tree. But they were entranced with another; that of the knowledge of good and evil. Of course that name basically is something Satan implied it represented; God had just said not to eat the tree in the midst of the garden without going into further detail. My point here is that this covenant between man and woman to be repeated up to this day was originally designed to be for life and like all other covenants we can violate it or apparently "break" it but on God's end it remains binding. This goes to any scriptural vows where God's name is invoked as well (although that can be permanent). Since man sinned death now is the only permissible way this lifetime commitment can be broken the way I see it.

    I have discussed before the situation with the Gibeonites who tricked Israel to make a covenant with them and it was therefore binding as to the terms agreed on. These terms exist with property covenants as well; and also to the Promised Land as promised to the Patriarchs to this day (again some would argue with that). This gives God's hot wrath an explanation to this day for enemy invaders.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 11 months ago
    So the POPE, the great one himself, has declared that God said that same sex marriages are approved by God??? What other lies do you suppose the doctrine is lying about? The answer is simple; everything - you are talking about Catholicism, one of the most lying, false doctrines invented by the devil for the ruin of the human soul.

    God Bless :)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Chris,

    Part one

    I thank you so much for discussing this and thank you Giannis. I am not the best at explaining my understanding.

    I know John 1:1 we see it differently but what beginning makes the difference, it was the word of God in Jesus as Jesus never said it was His words but the Father's words, and God was manifested in Jesus John 1:14 2 Corinthians 5:19. In Colossians as well as Ephesians that is similar My understanding Paul is talking about the risen Christ as faith in Christ, redemption that is in Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, we are children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, the risen Jesus.

    I read what you replied to Momsage on this and I hope you are not considering me in the Gnostic camp. My understanding comes totally from Scripture and the Trinity doctrine is not taught anywhere in Scripture, it was hundreds of years after the deaths of the apostles, as in Matthew 28:19 is taken as the Trinity and many churches abide by this today, but nowhere in Scripture do we see anyone baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, what we see is only in the name of Jesus?

    I know you will not agree but to say Jesus is God this verse stands out to me 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    See part 2
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Chris,

    Part 2

    God made Jesus Lord, Acts 2:36, made is thee Greek word ginomai that means to come into being, to happen, to become. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world and this Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:19-20 Revelation 13:8, foreordained the Greek word proginosko means to know beforehand to appoint or decree beforehand.

    I see too many Scriptures that do not agree with the doctrine. I hope this makes sense. This is Scripture without man's knowledge or wisdom 1 Corinthians 1:22 Jeremiah 10:10 10 Malachi 2:10 Mark 12:32

    Paul wrote these; Romans 3:30 Romans 15:6 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 3:14 Ephesians 4:6 Colossians 1:3 1 Timothy 2:5

    Peter wrote this; 1 Peter 1:3

    These are Jesus's words Himself; Matthew 27:46 Same in Mark 15:34 John 14:28 John 17:3 John 20:17 Revelation 3:12

    What this says to me, there is only one true God who is the God and Father of Jesus,

    These Scriptures are clear without our wisdom or knowledge do not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity. I do thank you and again I hope you do not consider me a Gnostic that would be sad, they are more of a philosophical like the immortal soul came from Greek philosophy, I am believer and follower of Jesus our Lord and savior.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    "Firstborn"

    'Israel, my Firstborn' (Ex.4:22) According to the eternal purpose, which God purposed in Christ the nation was called. (Ep.3:11). According to the pattern that God showed Moses it is clear that it was the fellowship of God with Man was the basis. It served the pattern for all the tabernacles from the first to the eternity. "Behold the tabernacle of God is with men"(Re.21:3). Israel and the Gentiles were foreknown equally

    'Firstborn from the dead' referred to his Son; and the condition was any man who allowed to be conformed to the image of his Son. "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers (Ro.8:29). Israel in rejecting him was tantamount to Esau spurning his birth-right.

    Conforming to the image of His Son entails his death and resurrection so the way the Son took presents a newness of life for the believer. Atonement of Jesus Christ covers those who have received him by faith, regardless of Jews or Gentiles. God's deep purpose has been revealed since the outpouring of the Spirit signalled a new body, not of the flesh but of the Spirit. "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (Col.1:18; Re.1:5)."

    'O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel "(Je.31:7 and they shall find grace. "How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? For the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man (Je.31:22)". It is no longer Israel as their firstborn but the Church as the Bride of Christ, in which Israel shall have a part.
  • Bennymkje - 11 months ago
    The Festival of Trumpets vv.23-25

    This was a holy convocation, which the Israelite observed and also was heard by one other. The word of God is not only in your heart and was also heard. You spoke as Christ in you did speak; you also did all for the glory of God and even as Christ did, forgiving one other and in humility so you are seen as lights as effective witnesses of Christ. 'You are not to do any servile work' Servile work, and what does it mean? As epistles of Christ in your fleshy heart are you to ride the coattails of politicians of the day? Neither do you for some mead of praise and silver in your pocket, water down the Gospel of Christ.

    This festival was celebrated at the beginning of the month Tisri, the first month of the civil year.

    "Also at your times of rejoicing-your appointed festivals and New Moon feasts-you are to sound the trumpets over your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings,"(Nu.10:10; 29:1-6)

    Day of Atonement vv. 26-32

    (See under A-Atonement)

    The Festival of Tabernacles vv.33-44

    "Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:,/ That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God./ And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.

    'That your generations may know,' This is the commandment of God who is a Spirit. Living in a visible world only speaks part of the reality, which is our fellowship with God. We are bearing about also a spiritual space where truth is written in our inward parts. Heart it is called. How big is it? It all depends how deep your faith is.

    Truth is what infinite mind of God has invested in the world of the Spirit, which is signified by heart. Where your treasure is where your heart will be found. Parable of the Rich Fool shows us a heart where not an inch of space could be found for God. He was not rich towards God for this reason.


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