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I would say "Yes" because he did so to tempt Eve and he did so to Jesus to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.

Yes, that is what I believe.

Erich,

I'm happy to discuss Colossians 1:23. It says "if you continue," and it sounds like its conditional. You can be reconciled, have the promise of this position before God in His representation of you, but if you don't continue.

This is the construction in Greek that's called the first class condition assumed to be true. He's not saying if you continue on. He's saying since you are continuing in the faith, and listen to this: having been grounded and settled, and not being moved away.

There's a lot there, but basically having been grounded, every Christian that receives Christ has been grounded, and they continue on because of that. They are settled in Christ. They have received Christ. And then we have a Present Participle in the Greek text: "And are not continually being in the promise of being moved away."

So it's not just a one-time condition where somebody says "I moved away from Christ and I lost all my salvation." There are people who are in the process of continually being removed from Christ. They are not true believers. They do not continue.

In fact, Jesus in John 8:30-31 tells us that to those Jews who have believed in Him, He says my genuine disciples continue in my word.

That's one of the characteristics of a believer. Some people you have to nag to stay in the word. If a believer, somebody who is born of the Spirit of God, if he or she tried to get away from the word, they are miserable.

And so with a genuine believer, Jesus says that they will continue in my word. If you try to stop, the Lord will convict you and deal with you. That's a characteristics of a true believer.

We don't get this from our English text because English is such a general language. But the Greek text reads, "Since (you are) continuing in the faith, having already been grounded and settled, and (you are) not being moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

1 Corinthians 11 is the eleventh chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians in the New Testament of the Christian Bible.

It was authored by Paul the Apostle and Sosthenes in Ephesus. In this chapter, Paul writes on the conduct of Christians while worshiping together.

Yes question, can devil speak in an audible voice?

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Remember the movie 10 commandments? Moses saw the burning bush, which was not consumed?

Part 2.

Lets go to Judas now. (how I understand it...)

When Jesus called Judas he was one of the best 12 of His disciples chosen to be one of His closest disciples. He didn't choose him to become a betrayer, although He knew that, but He chose him to be one of the best. If we claim that Jesus chose him to become a betrayer, then He obviously set him a trap that Judas would never be able to escape from. How is that ever possible? Later on Judas walked another way, the way of iniquity. That, according to my opinion, is a lesson for us. If we are not careful and let satan work in us, we may follow another way, the way of eternal darkness, just like Judas did. Salvation can be lost, it is not secured untill we leave this life.

Remember Demas who abandoned Paul? 2 Timothy 4:10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;" What happened to him? Paul was very strict in choosing his accompanions, once he sent away Mark for not following him and Barnabas in their journey to Cyprus. Demas was one of his best mates. But at the end he abandoned him because he loved the world. Was he saved? If he didn't repent and go return to his intial way, well he wasn't.

Anyway thanks for listening to my very long posts.

GBU

Part 1.

DearSpencer, lets talk about God's promises to Abraham.

Lets go to Genesis. The verses that describe God's promises to Abraham are the following:

1. Genesis 12:1-3,

2. Genesis 12:7,

3. Genesis 13:14-17,

4. Genesis 15:5-7

5. Genesis 15:13-15,

6. Genesis 15:18-21,

7. Genesis 17:4-10,

8. Genesis 21:17-18

Now in most of them God gives His promises to Abraham and his seed. Who is this seed. the obvious answer is that it is his biological descedants. Paul in his epistle to Galatians 3:16 disagrees, he says "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.". So we can agree that all the promises given to Abraham and his seed pass to Jesus and His children, Which are they? The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and the 8th. Only one is left the first. You will argue that although Paul atributes those verses to Christ it is obvious that they are for Israel as well, the land covenant as you call it. You are right about that. But that promise that Cannan will be given to Israel by God wasn't fulfiled when Joshua and his descendants conquered that land? Yes it was. So what other promise/covenant given to Abraham is left to be fulfiled? I cannot see any other, correct me if I am wrong. GBU

Jesse, it appears that you are mistaken in your response. You are right in that we are saved based on what Christ has done on the cross for us, and all humanity. However, just as it is of our free choice to accept this gift of salvation by faith it is also our free will to remain in Christ. He will not force us to remain in Him, which is precisely why Jude says for us to keep ourselves in the love of Christ. In addition to that, the NT is filled with conditions for salvation and God is not breaking any promises to exclude anyone from Heaven who walks away from His Son. The Bible is filing with promises of hope, but, never guarantees salvation based on a one ti.e profession. That's why Peter says to give all diligence to make our calling and election sur.... Our calling, as in saved believers.

Torrie gbu but Jesus taught contrary to tithes...saying to count the cost its gonna cost ya everything...If aman forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple...Paul said i have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung that i might win Christ and be found in him etc...This new covenant is gona cost ya everything...The early CHURCH had to sell everything they had and share it with everybody and anybody ...Jesus taught them to not worry about tomorrow but seek ye the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you...We even have to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to his Glory his kingdom etc...Thats y Jesus told them to count the cost before you follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything ya got...no more tithes...but everything ya got including your life...Go and sell everything you have and give it to the poor then come and follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything...ya even have leave your wife and children...If any man love wife or children more them me he is not worthy of me and whosoever puts his hands to the plow and looks back is not worthy of me...YA STILL WANNA FOLLOW Christ Jesus....If he calls, you will not mind to lose everything for him...There is a kingdom to be had

...k

....But Jesus said if he feeds the birds of the air he will surely feed you

Jesse,

Again, I really appreciate your response, and I am actually hoping you could offer further insight into Col. 1:23. As I re-read this passage in scripture I notice that there does appear to be a condition to our salvation that does hinge on our continued faith in Christ. I do understand what you mean by salvation being a promise, but, even promises do often have conditions. I hear that a lot from my brothers and sisters in Christ who believe in Eternal Security, but, just don't see how unconditional security lines up with scripture. Let's look at Col. 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". We see 2 things going on here that make this conditional. 1st, we see that we must "continue" in the faith. 2nd, we must not be "moved away". It is only when those 2 conditions are met that Christ will present us as holy and un-blamable.

If I may ask, when the writers of the KJV of the Bible were translating Col. 1: 23 why did they not just say "those who are filled with the Holy Spirit will endure to the end"? It just seems to confuse the reader to translate this as a conditional statement, but, not have any conditions to it. God is not the author of confusion, and I believe the writers of the KJV were inspired by the Holy Spirit, so why would Col. 1:23 be worded this way?

I value your insight and follow up, as I love friendly dialogue. thanks!

Dear GiGi, God oftens uses people to do a work for Him. In the OT God spread Israel away from their land using Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. Please read the last chapter of Cronicles

17 - Therefore he (God) brought upon them the king of the Chaldees (Nebuchadnezzar), who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand.

20 - And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:

21 - To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.

After 70 years God gathered them back using Cyrus king of Persia. Ezra 1:1-4

1 - Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, 2 - Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. 3 - Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem. 4 - And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

The same happened later on when God used the Romans to spread Israel around the world, and then in 1949 God He used the British to gather Israel back in their land.

GBU

James there is only 1 Elect which is the H.G. the Gift of God...That Child of PROMISE...And we are just a Joint heir with the H.G...We were all born by the will of some man...Its only the H.G. that is born in us via the seed of Christ the will of God...Its only the H.G. The Child OF Promise that is born by the will of God in us sinners.... Gal 4 : 1 kjv

Amen and amen Bro. Earl...The Anointing will teach us all things which is the gift of the H.G. that Child of PROMISE...From the seed of the sower the words of God...A lil Child is gona lead you...Which is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE...

.....She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule all nations....thank you Jesus...GBU BRO. EARL... Rev 12 v 5 kjv

Dear GiGi that happened in 1949. Jews were exiled from their own country since Romans destroyed Jerusalem (Jews revolted twice against the Roman rule). Solomon's Temple was destroyed too. The city was rebuilt but Jews were prohibited to enter the city untill the 7th centuary AD. In 1949 after WW2, that land was given by the British to Jews to re-enhabit it and the new country of Israel was formed and Jews from all over the world started to gather in their ancient land. At that time God's promise that He will gather them to their land was fulfiled.

Is there any other promise left for them to be fulfilled ?

In the NT Paul talks about his nation, what is going to happen in the last days. He doesn't say that a new country will be formed with Christ as their leader that will rule on the whole earth. But he says that all Israel will believe in Christ " after the fulness of gentiles be come in", Romans 11:25-27. After 'the fulness of gentiles be come in' means that no other gentile is left to be saved. When is that going to happen?

Lets go to Revelation

The 144000 saved at that time are the first Jews to be saved, Revelation 7:4-8. Then the rest of these people will be saved. Question. If salvation for Israel starts during antichrist's time, during the great tribulation (Its obvious that these things happen during tribulation because in the next verses 9-17 we read about the ones in Heaven that were slaughterd by antichrist) when is that time that Jesus with Israel rules on earth? Doesn't make sense, does it? In Revelation 12:1-6 we read about that woman that was sent by God to the dessert. Who is that? It is obvious it is Israel, see verse 1. Antichrist will go after Israel and God will protect them. There is nothing else left for Israel untill the fight of Armagedon. Is it that Jesus will rule on earth with Israel during the next 1000 years? No, Revelation 20:4-6 talks about those that didn't receive the mark and were slaughtered. End of time, nothing else left.

Genesis 25-27: Tells the story of Esau and Jacob. Jacob and Rebekah worked together to cheat Esau out of his birthright as elder son. Esau made it easy because he'd rather have a bowl of stew than his birthright. He only fought for it when he saw it given to Jacob.

It seems wrong but Esau had no regard for those things until he realized what He had done. It says God HATED Esau for the treachery. This doesn't sanction cheating and treachery. It teaches that when God gives you a blessing, don't throw it away on something temporal.

Esau left Jewish culture and married into other culture an religion. However, to this very day, Esau is still trying to get his blessing away from Jacob. (God changed Jacobs name to Israel.

The wars in the Mid-East today, are still about the Covenants God made with Abraham and descendant of Abraham's wife SARAH.

I followed Esaus descendants to the eastern lands of Israel: a very difficult study. Google Esau's Geneology.

Study it we should. The last wars will still be brother against brother.

Thank you for the reply! I really appreciate your insight on this and it is always nice to have dialog on these platforms! Again, much appreciated and God bless you!

How does Moses describe God's appearance?

Be a member of a Church who will keep your name lifted up, in prayer. Ask for what you need. Prepare for the tasks.

A prayer:

Father God,

We pray over domestic missionaries sharing the hope and love of Christ on our very own soil. So many in our country have been shown a false view of what it means to follow Christ, but we pray through Your Holy Spirit missionaries would be given the words, guidance, and access to share Your true heart and love with those they come into contact with. May those they meet come with their honest and vulnerable hurt, experience, and perspective and be open to coming into personally knowing You, Lord God. Help missionaries to be tender to Your Spirit, knowing when to speak and when to listen. Help them to walk in boldness rooted in You, standing boldly and without fear, for they are sent from You. Just as Moses stood before Pharaoh boldly proclaiming Your assignment to him, our missionaries (those who GO YE, stand before others. Help them not to fear the wrath or harshness of men, but to know what matters is Your opinion in the end. Father, help Your children as they proclaim Your Name in this land.

In Jesus' name, amen.

I'm waiting on three surgeries. I'm not being given any pain medication. All I have is much prayer and spiritual warfare. God in His Mercy cares what we go through.

There's too much scripture on it.

Include the Lord in your daily routine. Pray. Stand fast in Ephesians 6. Our enemies are invisible. Bind them and their assault on you. Release the Love snd Strength of God to be your comfort and shield.

His Grace is Sufficient, 2 Corinthians 12:9. Read chapters 10-12 often. Paul followed Jesus, after a career of violence. He was beat on a lot for turning to Jesus.

We can get through this. Encourage yourself.

Ok, So the point here is that, there could have been people who were planning or trying to Kill the twelve (12) disciples of Jesus in the four Bible gospels, but we do not have any evidence documented in MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN to prove the conspiracy, am i correct ?

Amen Brother Daniel!

1 John 2:27 ......you need not that any man teach you....

The ANOINTING will teach you.

God Bless You!

Since I ran out of space I thought I'd add one more comment.

The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.

Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!

A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.

People have freewill:

Psalms 25:12

Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

Psalm 119:30

Luke 16:13

Proverbs 3:31

Fear God:

Joshua 24:14

Psalms 25:12

Proverbs 1:29

Seek God:

Psalms 63:1

All will be judged:

2 Corinthians 5:10

Romans 2:16

John 12:48

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:12

NELSON WALTERS

on youtube has some videos concerning this, now. Prior to now, I think there's been an unwillingness to name names. It works better if you read history. At this time there is still speculation.

Asenath was a high-born, aristocratic Egyptian woman. She was the wife of Joseph and the mother of his sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. There are two Rabbinic approaches to Asenath: One holds that she was an ethnic Egyptian woman that converted to marry Joseph.

There was no mention of her being black. You can read more on Google.

"Asenath, Bible, HISTORY"

Erich,

Very well said, Amen! That was the teaching in the early church. A person had to be born of God's Spirit in order to claim Christ as their Lord and savior. Romans 8:9 tells us that if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

If I might add, salvation is not conditional based on what we do, but on what Jesus Christ has done for us. Colossians 1:23 says, "If ye continue in the faith," so it sounds conditional. But the literal translation from the Greek is, but the one who (has endured), not the one who will, but the one who has endured unto the end, this one will be saved.

Because it is an Aorist Participle in the Greek, it shows the proof of those who are saved, and it matches the rest of the teachings in the New Testament. The person who is saved WILL endure to the end, guaranteed! So we have the proof, and secondly, the promise of salvation. That is a promise!

I heard someone once say that the bible uses a lot of future tenses to show that salvation isn't here, it is later. No! That is a promise. A person is saved now. And when all this is over, the ones who will be saved are the ones who have endured unto the end.

So, I agree that only those who endure to the end in faith will reap eternal life, but I would also say that the person who is saved (Born of God's Spirit), that person will endure to the end. Why? Because God's Spirit in them will cause them to endure to the end. Like you say, we are the ones being kept by the power of God through faith. He keeps us saved, all the way to the end.

Again, very well said, and thank you for sharing this!!!

I believe that if a person reads any portion of the Bible with a pre-conceived idea ( such as a pre-tribulation rapture) that person cannot rightly understand how the prophesies of the Bible work together. .

The elect are the children of Abraham through Isaac AND the Gentiles who have been saved by grace.

We, as saved Gentiles, have been grafted into the root which is of the seed of Abraham in the place of the branches that were cut off.

Romans 11:17-24 says for itself ( with no outside private interpretation) that though the first fruit be broken off they can be grafted back into the tree from whence that were cut. For if we as Christians can be grafted into the olive tree how much more can the original branches be grafted into that tree again.

Take heed to verse 25 lest you form your own interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20.

Numbers 6:22-27

22 . And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

23 . Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 . The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

25 . The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 . The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace

27 . And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Thank you Kay , may God continue to bless you , and us , with your presence on this site , much love in Christ .

Larry:

You are saved by the ELECTION of GRACE, the blood of Christ sealed this election of grace.

Addiction WILL NOT keep you from being saved by GRACE; however, GRACE can deliver you from addiction.

It's the WORKS of GOD, you can never deliver yourself.

God Bless YOU.