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If you can figure out please let us know , no one knows and can make sense of it .

Very Well Said.

Here's how God says it.

2 Tim.4:5 Make Full Proof of thy ministry.

How do we make Full Proof?

Matt.18:16 In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses Every word may be Established.

Example: Jesus Says in John 6:70

Have not I chosen you twelve, and ONE of you IS a devil?

Which disciple was Jesus Speaking of?

Was it Judas?

Witness #1 The Mouth Of The Disciple Matthew.

Matt.16:23 Jesus Said To Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

Witness #2 The Mouth Of The Disciple Mark.

Mark 8:33 Jesus said to Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

Witness #3 The Mouth Of The Disciple Luke.

Luke 4:8 Jesus said to Simon Peter:

Get Thee Behind Me, Satan.

At Least 3 Witnesses Heard The Mouth Of Jesus

Call Simon Peter, Satan.

GOD Has Established That Simon Peter "Was The One Devil"

That Jesus Spoke Of.

"Four Mouths" All Say The "Same" Thing.

Matthew, Mark, Luke AND Jesus Himself.

Judas Was A Traitor (Not a devil).

I wouldn't push the Trinity, because that word itself isn't in the Bible.

Scripture for Jesus being one with the Father, & sitting at the right hand of GOD.;

John 17, John 10, Hebrews 1, John 1, Hebrews 12, 1Peter 3:22, Acts 7:55,56, Romans 12:5, Romans 12, Ephesians 4:4,5,6, Ephesians 4, 1Corinthians 10:16,17, 1Corinthians 12:12,13, 1Corinthians 12, 1Timothy 2:5, 1Corinthians 11:3, John 3:15,16, John 16:23,

* John 14,

Hopefully these are helpful

No Un-Repented Sins Are Forgiven.

We Must Repent / Turn From All of our wicked ways.

Matt.4:17 / Mark 2:17 / Luke 10:13

Hi Chris

I am doing a study of Hebrews, through Dr. Fruchtenbaum. Regarding no more sacrifices for sins in Heb 10:26b, he uses Numbers chapters 12-14 as OT background for Hebrews. In that the children of Israel willfully sinned- Heb 10:26a-by not believing and trusting God, that he would protect them from the Canaanites. Though they repented and were pardoned- Numbers 20-there was no more sacrifice- Heb 10:26b-for their sin of distrust and unbelief, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment- Heb 10:27a-yet they were still His children and would remain as the few that are saved. Is this what you understand?

Thank you

Revelation 21:7-8

The vessels of god's wrath = both jews and gentiles

likewise: the vessels of god's mercy = both jews and gentiles

the tribulation (is not) god's wrath.

god's mercy & god's wrath (are revealed) in matt.25-46 where jesus says:

come ye blessed of my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you.

ye blessed = vessels of mercy = both jews and gentiles

ye blessed = god's angels = all those who walk along the strait & narrow.

then shall jesus say: depart from me, ye cursed into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil (and for his angels).

ye cursed = the devils angels = all those who walk along the broad way.

the devils angels = both jews and gentiles

Thanks for that GiGi. I can understand why the word 'Christian' is preferable for some.

Yes, Chris, you are correct. In this creed catholic means universal. Some Protestant churches refuse to use the word 'catholic" (universal) and substitute "christian" to distinguish themselves from Catholicism.

If a person has the Bible which is Gods word as we do today , KJV is the most published book ever , these creeds should be disposed of since they are not equal to the scriptures.

If the apostles did not write it and they did not , it's no better than anyone else's writings as far as authority. People may like them but they have no authority over or equal to the word of God .

There are way too many cults that shape the scriptures to make their own religion based on the Bible .

The list is long .

2 Timothy 3.14,15 16,17,a real valuable verses to hang on to .

Thinking a little about Elijah's comment got me thinking of a brother in Christ whom passed away around 20 years ago. I like to quote him some now and again. Here is a quote he once wrote: "...it was the redemptive work of Christ on this earth that accomplished the fall, defeat, and binding of Satan. Christ entered the strong man's house (this world), bound the strongman

(Satan), and spoiled his goods (opened the prison and set free the captives of sin)."

"He still has a realm of influence- this world. But a boundary has been set on his power, to the extent that any human being is able to flee and escape the domination..." I myself call this escape path the providence of God on earth. "...of sin and Satan, if they so desire, through the work of Jesus Christ. It is impossible for the devil to penetrate the kingdom of God, so he is impotent to reclaim those who have escaped his realm. His voice is yet active. Ne can stand at the boundary of God's kingdom, which he cannot cross, and hurl his voice after the saints."

"The Book of Revelation is predominately a revelation of the work of Christ in His kingdom as it exists on earth causing it to come in constant conflict with the dominion of Satan"

Hope you all are faring well this day.

:)

How do I help my husband understand the Trinity and the fact that Jesus now sits on the right hand of God in heaven?

Amen Janet. As Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". He is the ONLY WAY - there was no other plan or provision by God to give the penitent sinner forgiveness of his sins & access into His Presence. It's either Jesus' way or Hell's highway.

Nice analogy Giannis. Though I see another difficulty. It's not only a few pieces or missing pieces that can cause problems or give a different picture. It's when one decides to re-shape & re-paint those pieces that just won't fit & then force them in to form the 'true' puzzle picture. So then a very close examination is needed to pick out the phoney masquerading pieces that are set out to deceive.

I would prefer your prayers than your direction of my mind. That I try to leave to God. I had to read Romans 12:9-21 after your comments. Everyone knows you can pic a verse or a sentence out of the bible to "prove" your point. And just "mindful" questions for occupying time; I wouldn't expect an answer either. The bible does tell us that God told us everything we needed to know. And since you seem not to believe the bible, were God said he "Blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it"; Gen 2:3. Then I'm not sure what you do believe. and yes, those like myself who do believe God's word that it as the truth. Now, instead of question to direct my mind, it's very simple. Just tell me the book, chapter and verse where God changed his mind and took away the day he gave his children. I'm sure you must be right, when he said he NEVER changes, he really couldn't have meant that, as Christ couldn't have meant he wouldn't even change the punctuation in the commandments. God forgive both of us for our attitudes here. I've already ask him for forgiveness, as it's easy to trip over our long robes.

Thanks Giannis.

In the past I've used that analogy of the puzzle pieces. The Gospel paints a picture starting from Genesis.

The problem often comes when one have a picture in mind and try to fit pieces of the puzzles together that don't belong so they have to reshape the surrounding pieces to there liking, usually by spritualizing all the pieces/scripture, or they take one piece of a puzzle/scripture that represents their picture and try to fit it in a 1000 piece puzzle that it doesn't belong to, so they reshape the 1000 pieces by spritualizing.

Here's an example.

Who's the writer referring to here?

"Therefore my people" are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

Isaiah 5:13.

I've heard it taught that this was all of creation. ( A piece of puzzle that don't even fit the chapter or anywhere else in the 66 books. )

But if they would let the scripture say what it is saying you would find the answer throughout the chapter, especially verse 7.

"For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry"

Isaiah 5:7.

Here's just a few of many other puzzle pieces.

Exodus 3:10.

Exodus 5:1.

Exodus 8:23.

Leviticus 26:12.

1 Samuel 2:28-29.

1 Kings 6:12-13.

Isaiah 1:3.

Isaiah 10:24.

Isaiah 14:25.

Jeremiah 1:16.

Jeremiah 2:11.

Ezekiel 11:20.

Ect...

There's hundreds that reference Isaiah 5:13. to Israel!!

And Hosea 2:23 suggests God's not done with them. Also Romans 11:1.

God is in the generation of the righteous. Psalms 14:5.

We become his people by seeking him, not everyone will do this.

Zachariah gives a distinction between between the heathen nations and God's people. Zachariah 8:7.

Another distinction.

Mathew 7:21-23. You can't be his people and he not know you.

Heresies are built this way.

God bless.

Well written GiGi. Though, I've always understood "the holy Catholic Church" as 'the universal' Church. Maybe I'm incorrect - minor difference. That's why when referring to Catholic, I use Roman Catholic to differentiate between the two meanings.

Dear A wife, I am glad that you are a prayerful woman. I do hope you and your husband can talk this out and have the Lord bring healing.

Janet, what is the finished work on the cross?

Is it not that Christ came as sinful flesh and we are that sinful flesh.

Sinful flesh DIED ON THE CROSS, and WE AROSE with Christ.

Our body (a vessel of dust) is the abode of Christ (LIFE AND TRUTH).

A vessel (our body) is made for one thing ONLY, to HOLD THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

You have no faith, you have no obedience, you have no mercy, you have no love, ETC., because it's the LIFE IN YOU, that CAUSES the body to believe, it's the LIFE IN YOU that causes the body to have faith, causes the body to love, causes the body to show mercy, causes the body to obey, ETC.

Most are not saved because, in this present AGE, they are NOT GIVEN THIS GIFT.

Man DOES NOT control his own destiny GOD DOES.

Ye have not chosen me, I HAVE CHOSEN YOU.

Creation WILL NOT be held accountable for GOD's WORK.

At their appointed time, after the resurrection of the dead (second resurrection) God will GIFT THEM with LIFE and TRUTH.

GBU

Dear Bereanman,

Thanks for your reply. No one is saying that Creeds are Scripture. We all have some sort of "creed" of the accepted doctrines taught in Scripture.

That is what this creed is. But I'm fine that you don't want to go any further with this, so God Bless.

Daniel 8:10 and Revelation 12:4a are an account of the same event. The tail that is mentioned in Revelation 12:4a is the same one mentioned in Isaiah 9:15.

You should receive an email, it will also be readable in a 'thread' on the page It's posted on. If you have an account, it should also be under New replies.

Hopefully that's helpful.

AMEN, Giannis, you will make a good carpenter, you know, the carpenter's son, because you hit the nail on the head.

God Bless You

Thank You Grae for your kind thoughts. Yes, I'm doing well. You intercession for me in prayer and your personal contact is sorely needed in the body of Christ, to promote the KINGDOM of GOD. I have done the same with others that the Lord leads to me. I'll put you on my prayer list.

Praise the Lord. The Lord shine His face upon you and your family as well as all on this forum.

So in other words the Bible Gods inspired word is not good enough .

At least that's what the people that wrote these creeds thought .

The apostles creed is perhaps ok but well short of the scriptures on a whole .

In revelation it warns about adding to and taking away from scriptures , also in the Old Testament God again warn about that .

Rev 22.18,19

I will take a pass on these creeds .

Could it be that many are not saved because they do not believe in the full finished work of Christ on the cross. Is not this belief in Jesus finished work on the cross-no turning back to works for salvation, other sacrifices etc etc-the narrow way? Hence few will be saved? We either answer the knock and believe that Jesus is the narrow (only) way unto salvation, or we don't, and trust that God WILL protect and preserve us until the end, hence giving us strength to persevere in our faith and experience the joy of our salvation.

T. Levis,

Thank you so very much for providing Scripture. I found these, as well:

Zechariah 8:16 - These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:

Ephesians 4:15 - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:25 - Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

I will continue to pray that God gives me the right words, the right time, the right way, the right space to talk with him about it.

Who knows. Maybe this is not what has been bothering him all these years, but I pray that it will be reconciled in His Name.

Suze,

Thank you so much. It was over 20 years ago, but I just pinpointed recently where our marriage issues appeared to begin. Like Adam, who answered earlier, I appreciate your kindness. I truly do.

Dear AE

It is a funny thing with us Christians that we read in the Bible about a God who heals, so many examples for disabled people that run to Jesus for help and got what they asked for, for a God who never changes, we talk about those things in our congregations, in our Christian companies .. but when it comes to us ...we hardly believe that that can happen to us.. isn't that true? Well God says that we are wrong. God can heal us too. Lets go to Him with Faith and Trust and we will be surprised with what we will see. Go to Jesus. He is not dead, He is up in the skies watching you, His kid, and prepared to answer back ..just go and keep going untill you receive God's gift to you...Jacob didn't let God go before he got what he wanted from Him. You have an autistic son, another woman in the Gospel had a dead son, what did Jesus say to her? " Don't cry" Why my Lord not to cry? Because your son will rise from the deads. Yours as well. Amen

GBU

I was not judging him, and I pray about the things that I know I need to overcome or where I need to grow. Here's an example, if you know your spouse eats too much candy, drinks too much alcohol, doesn't brush their teeth, aren't you going to pray against that? That's not judgement. It's health concerns. Thank you for responding.