Bible Questions Page 36

HI all, I'm new to this, so let me just ask the question, towit: Is there anywhere in the Bible that can be used to quell the argument that the Earth is FLAT?? There seem to be SO MANY folks that think we live on a disk of some sort, that it's not funny anymore.

Of course they can't answer the simple question of WHAT is at the edge of this disk, but if anyone could help answer my question, it would be much appreciated.

AKM

Pt 2

Predestination

The question is: All of those who accept Christ will be glorified at the end? The answer actualy lies in verse 28, " And we know that all things work together for good TO THEM THAT LOVE God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.". Not all of them but those who love and keep keep loving God till the end of the road, no matter the hardships, the tribulations, the trials, etc. Because there are many who loose their love to God and follow their deceitful heart in loving other things, even things that are not sinful but still drive people away from God. Like the cares or the riches amd the desires of this world, as it is written in the parable of the seed. Saul the king loved the fame, Balaam the prophet the riches, Judas the money, Demas loved this world and so many cases that are written in the Bible. One should be aware not to let satan enter their heart and lead them away from the Lord, one way or another. Jesus warns us, Remember Lot's wife. She ended up loving Sodom and Gomorrah more than God so she was left behind (and away from salvation), although being a daughter of God.

God's will is to glorify us BUT the same will must be inside us till the very end.

GBU.

Pt 1.

Predestination.

The belief of predestination is based mainly on the following verses:

"29. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Let's see what the word "predestinate" means.

The grk for it is "proorizo" (first person). From "pro" which means "pre" and the verb "orizo" which means "ordain, define, determine etc". So "proorizo" means to "determine beforehand".

So let's use an example with that word.

Example. "A father "proorizei" (verb of the third person) his son as his successor in his company."

The above says that the father's will, intention, decision is that his son will get his company when he is going to quit sometime in the future. But does that guarantee that his son is actually going to do that. It is the father's will, intention. BUT it has to be the son's will and choise as well. But the son may not choose to do what his father would like him to do. Maybe the son has something else in his mind for himself, anorther job, another lifestyle. Even maybe the son initially accepts the jod but later on leaves it. Any other thing really. So you see that for the result to be what the father wishes both parts, father's and son's, will must the same, otherwise what the father wants won't be accomplished.

S let's go back to those verses. An free interpretation could be as:

The ones that God knows that will accept Jesus, He determines to be like Jesus (it means glorified, which actually means saved). So God calls them out of the world. Then He justifies them through Jesus' Blood and glorifies them (although that seems to have been done, it actually refers to the future, at the resurrection).

The question is: All of those who accept Christ will be glorified at the end?

More on the seeker unfriendly concept

My spiritual gifting tends to be weak in the area of hospitality and such nicities; perhaps that helps me explore this subject with a bit more impartiality. (I haven't figured out yet who gets what name tags in the welcoming committees). With such manners thrown to the wind; challenging a newcomer to repent of sins; or challenging professed believers of dangers ahead; as well as the temptations to fall away; persecution; etc. is open to discussion. Having discernment as a gifting; of coure needs to be balanced.

It would be nice for me to take the time to ask someone what their name is before getting into a twenty minute doctrinal discourse.

I have even gone to the lengths of asking those who I perceive as strong in the Lord to pray for things (such as for more prayer in my local church). Again; discretion is needed-outsiders don't need to be aware of all the problems or "dirty laundry" in a church; or alternatively; have to listen to all of our problems or gripes either. Nonetheless; it would be nice when those around us are struggling not to have to always put on a happy face to meet the expectations of a "seeker friendly" comfortable environment which guests are expected to enter.

One thing is for sure; if hypocrisy exists no one needs to tell a true believer who is visiting on a given Sunday; God Himself will reveal what He will. Imagine; for instance a visitor from the outside upbraiding someone for such an issue. Such audacity! Such presumption! Again; it may be better procedure to know someone first and the particulars involved before such a declaration is made; but being too familiar or comfortable I fear is a much greater issue on the politeness side of the equation.

Maturity also; of course being willing to share about other fellowships; for example that may better fit the needs of an individual due to resources available for someone to attend; rather than holding onto someone for monitary gain.

John 16:8 conclusions (for now).

I thought it fitting to also point out how those in leadership will also be held accountable on this subject. There are few in ministry who will ask the congregation to pray for their needs; or who will openly acknowledge when they have done something amiss. Specifically; it is methodologies that are often held from worldly experience that are used to build up ministries; such as slick advertising campaigns. I prefer to hold to the seeker unfriendly camp; or perhaps what has been coined "your worst life now". Such advice is exemplified in Paul's harsh retort to the Corinthians who were living "like kings" at the time ( 1 Cor. 4:8). Sounds familiar; right? It would be wonderful to see the Gospel preached out of envy ( Philippians 1:15-16). That would be the case if the world was being turned "upside down" ( Acts 17:6); but in truth there are few that want to go down in a blaze of glory which the martyrdom at the time exemplified.

Exhortation; or iron sharpening iron ( Prov. 27:17) is also becoming a rare art heading toward extinction. Sin may be covered by the blood; but undoubtably still can lead to death; at least as far as the body is concerned. Such is the case with 1 Corinthians 11:30. For us to not have some awareness of the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin after salvation ignores passages such as Galatians 5:17. It is easy to ignore the desires of the Holy Spirit in the contentious struggle and just focus on the struggle with the flesh; for conflict to occur evidence of the Spirit's sanctification must be present. Again; without such things all of our "good deeds" simply are a remake of our actions to satiate God to the best of our ability; without ceding control to the Lord's authority and power. His RIGHTEOUSNESS is the only way we are going to want to obey His commandments; the whole emphasis of Psalm 119 as an example. And the Bema Seat keeps us humble now; every action is judged ( 1 Cor. 3:13)

Good evening.

I haven't been able to get away to participate by reading the bulk of the posts and replies on the 10 commandment topic.

I would like to mention a misunderstanding in the communication between the several views on this topic.

There's a difference in the 10 commandments being Holy and being justified by keeping them.

We say Israel failed to be a witness but is that totally accurate?

How did they fail? By not keeping the law?

Before anyone answer that I would like for us to consider a few things.

1) Israel keeps the Law far better than any nation ever has!!

2) The law was given to Israel. Romans 9:4. So they had a ministry to minister to the Whole world as "fleshly" Children of an active, living, Holy God.

This ministry was called ministration of death..

2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

They were examples for us and this is written to us.

They successfully showed the world what Paul stated in Romans 7:5-14.

The world is unable to be Justified by the Law.

3) To say Israel failed for not keeping the law is not exactly correct.

They failed by thinking they were justified by the law.( Not just the 10 commandments ) after all there were articles for certain sins.

They failed because they stumbled at that stumblingstone!

That's where they failed!!

Romans 9:31-33.

They all didn't fail, there was a remnant according to the election of grace and still is.

Romans 11:4-8.

vs 5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant (ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE!)

This election is not determined by works.

In other words works wasn't elected as God's way to justify his people.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;

Yes the law is Holy and we all fail to be Justified by it, so we were all dead in trespasses and sins.

This is where the cross comes in.

Ephesians 2:1-5.

God bless.

Difficult passages in scripture: ordered extermination of children

One of the most challenging things in the Bible is where God ordered the extermination of every man woman and child in conquest of the Promised Land. There is one fairly satisfactory reason why some were killed in this way; they were children of the union of fallen angels and women as first mentioned in Genesis 6; Nephilim which were NOT human and therefore were never to rise again; such as are indicated in Isaiah 26:14 (Rephaim in original translation). They would go to a certain part of the underworld at death.

All other examples seem to involve human children and thus is beyond our scope of full understanding. In fact; such verses make us cringe. Only putting God's Holiness at the forefront of our trust can allow us to deal with such a difficult; painful and weighty matter. Such verses which indicate the death penalty for things which we as a "civilized society" would consider cruel (such as adultery or the example brought up in another recent post in Numbers 15:32-36 on a man being stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath) are also examples of things which in the "Age of Grace" aren't enforced today. We could say the same for National Israel when it was a Theocracy; there may be some return in the Millennium or end of the Tribulation when God conquers enemies through His people once again; but I digress.

I would state at this juncture that there is enough scripture to indicate that the soul of a human child will NOT be sent to hell upon death- Matthew 18:10 is probably the most convincing along with the story of David's unborn child in 2 Samuel 12:23.

There is a principle that judgment comes only when a nation is fully ripe for it; such as the case of the Amorites in Genesis 15:16; Nineveh after a respite following repentance; and in Sodom where it is entirely possible there were few if any children.

I will continue this discussion in further posts.

Good evening Brothers and Sisters

Have Brother Jesse been on the site lately?

Hi there, fellow worshipers. I'm a new member and very excited to be part of this fellowship. May we all grow together in God.

Will someone please explain to me how to use this site?

Part 2

Testaments, Old and New.

And a precious gift for believers. The Spirit of God, not upon people as before, but inside His children. A helper with our strive against sin, the means os sanctification , a means of becoming the image of God ... and much more,

So the New Testament is moving a step forward from where the Old Testament stopped, a deeper dive in the sea.

So going back to my previous posts. Different types of grace to different people using different covenants? No but one people (now extended) and one Covenant (now renewed).

Continuity, from the very begining till the end.

GBU

Part 1

Testaments, Old and New.

Different Testaments? No, not really. Actually the Old one but renewed.

Jesus has said, Matthew 17-19, "(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The New Testament is actually a "renewed version" of the Old Testament.

BUT it progresses one step forward. It goes deep in the heart of people where all starts.

Jesus quides people into the deeper origins of sin creation. Sin, He said, is not pnly the outward manifestation of it but people should look inside their heart to find out the origins of it and fight it. The circumcition of the flesh should become the circumsision of the heart. There is no need to swear, just say the truth. Don't separate your wife, God doesn't accept it any more, it wasn't His actual wish from the very beginining. Do not get angry with your brother since that may lead you even to murder. You can eat any type of animal we want, because God now cleans them through prayer...and many more. And mainly the sacrifices of animals were actually of no use in erasing sins. Jesus has now become our sacrifice. The Old Testament revealed what sin is, BUT gave no way of escaping from it. Paul says in Romans 7: 7 that the Law showed us what is sin.The Law lead people to Christ, Paul in Galatians 1:24 says "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." The perfect sacrifice who leads believers to perfection. Not abolishing of our sinful nature but forgiveness through His sacrifice.

Part 2

Stephen in his apology to the Jews among others he said, Acts 7:38, "(7) This is he(Moses), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:"

Stephen calls the Hebrews in the dessert as church. Why? Because he wanted to show to Jews that the church is not something foreign, but it is actually them. And it was them, the remnant that Paul speaks about in Romans 11:5.

Romans 11:25-27, "(25)For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.(26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27)For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins"

Blindness in part. The remnant with the nations who now entered the Covenant became the church, God's people, as always. And at the end the rest of Hebrews will enter God's saved people, the church which is the assembly of all saved people since the begining of the world.

And lets not forget that that initial church where unimaginary miracles took place and God showed His power so often was the Hebrew christian church.

So Hebrews and nations separate? No, but together in one.

So, Dispensansional theology? For me No, Covental theology.

Jesus now reigns sitting on top of the throne of David in Heaven over the new Israel, the CHURCH. And His reign will last for ever, as it is written in the Scriptures.

GBU

Part 11

Different Dispensations? No

Divisions in the Word of God? No

So what?

Continuity.

Often we hear about different dispensations of God's grace to different people through history. Like to Israel and to the church. But is this so?

Let's start from Ephesians 2:14-18, "(14) For he(Jesus) is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (17)And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. (18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father"

The above says clearly that God united Israel with the rest of the nations (who hath made both one). Israel is no longer considered as a separate people from the rest of the people but as one unified body. Israel and the Gentiles are now ONE BODY, the Church.

Often it is said that God made 2 Testaments, one (the Old) for Israel and the second and final for the gentiles. Right? No, it's wrong. God made the New Testament initially for the Hebrews.

Hebrews 8:8-10, "(8) ... He(God) saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people"

Has the whole world been deceived as recorded in Revelation 12:9? The 'Word of God' is the truth in all things ( Romans 9:1;

1 John 2:27).

Be not Deceived ( 1 Cor. 6:9; 15:33; Gal. 6:7).

Parables

I feel compelled to say a few words about comments that I read regarding "parables" and "hidden meanings" in the Bible.

Let me say upfront that I do not hold to the understandings set forth by Pierre, Landry and others who are presenting ideas that, I believe, are very contrary to what the Bible declares. And I think my comments to them demonstrate where I stand regarding their view.

Now when it comes to "parables" and "hidden meanings", we must start with a principle that God lays down in the Bible that is expressed in Matt 13, Mark 4, Psalm 78:2, and perhaps other passages.

So lets ask, What is a "parable"? The best definition I have heard is "A Parable is an Earthly Story with a Spiritual Meaning". I believe that every "parable" in the Bible is teaching some aspect of the GOSPEL. This is certainly true when we read the parables that Jesus spoke.

But what about passages where God does not specifically identify them as a "parable"? We read, for example that Jesus is "the Lamb of God". Are we to understand that Jesus is a physical lamb? Of course not. God is using this figurative language to identify Christ with the lambs and other animals that were sacrificed as a picture, a shadow, at type of the sacrifice of Christ Himself as the Savior required to pay for our sins.

In the miracles that Jesus and the Apostles performed we are not told that these are "parables". But in raising Lazarus from the dead, in healing the sick and the lame and the blind; are these not pictures of Salvation where Christ raises the Spiritually Dead, heals the Spiritually Lame, gives sight to the Spiritually Blind. Who would deny this?

Then we come to other events recorded for us in the Bible that may not be quite as obvious at first blush. The Book of Ruth, the Book of Esther, other historical events recorded in the Bible. In addition to being very literal accounts of these events, should we not look for a deeper spiritual meaning, always relating to the Gospel in these event?

To Josiah Skiff;

the life of youth is energetic, lively & spirited, there's much hope & aspirations towards one's future. Its appears you have much going for you. I have notices from observation of others & my own experience that wisdom was much lacking in youth vigor.

I would ask you to consider these words, bring them to your mentors to receive a godly counsel Proverbs 11:14

The definition of a Christian in its simplist & purest form is to be Christ-like, He's John 14:6; ask yourselve is this becoming a Navy Seal something Jesus would do? Believes follow Christ in the regeneration & are change empowering them to Luke 6:27-31;

When the disciples want to call down thunder from heaven to destroy lives; Jesus replied Luke 9:55,56; denoting it the influence of spirit of darkness to kill & destroy lives. James 4:1,2,3,4; escape the corruption that is in this world through lust & 2Cor 6:17;

I would encourage you to lay down your weapons Isa 2:4 & become a soldier of the Cross. 2Cor 10:14; Marry your sweet heart & live 2Cor 5:15;

May His Light shine upon you, Blessing

In Love & Truth

Frankie J

1.what role did th Holy Ghost play in the life of Christ? 2. What role did the Holy Ghost play in development of the New Testament Church? 3. what roles dose the Holy Ghost play in the lives of people today? thank you for your answer helping me to uderstand. Question.

Is it wrong to fish and golf on Saturday instead of working?

This is a question instead of a comment. I need some help. How do you tell what is hebrew poetry? For example I know that Genesis 1:27 is poetry because it was used in a example in a study I was doing. Other versions change the line breaks when a section is poetry. How do I tell in the kjv?

Does this spirit control the world to this day, and did they use the state to torcher and murder Jesus Christ? Revelation 2:9s bankers, Ashkenazi, Zionists, corporate owners and heads, government corporation owners etc. Luke 22:43-71 and Chapter 23, Using 1 Timothy 6:10 etc. Why does using a strongs concordance for the word "god" in Genisis 1 and 2 say Elohym and not God all mighty or other name used for Jehovah God of heaven? The word magistrates are gods, but Lucifer is a god? Did we fall for the bate and get trapped on earth that is under his control? And why does the world not see the divining serpent in English better known as the Jesuit controlled Vati can in Latin with all her secret societies (Tapped Freemasonry etc.). The Latin to English translators online were all altered around March 2023 to hide this information? Her priests praise Lucifer and the dawning of his creation (the earth) every Easter Sunday on the first day of the week when the Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week. The large alter gives hidden messages in symbolic form. In John 14:15 red letters, Jesus is saying If ye love me, keep my commandments. So, grace and the law (Commandments) because we love God and want to follow Him and not one or the other? So, starting to understand but need more information, thank you, I know that this is a lot to figure out.

No scripture of itself interprets scripture, it takes other scriptures combined together to interpret truth.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God CANNOT commit sin, for his SEED (GOD) remaineth in him, and he CANNOT SIN because he is born of God.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit (God is Spirit) in YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements and DO them.

The kingdom of God only COMES to you if you believe what the word says.

Matthew 12:28 But if I (the Spirit of TRUTH) cast out devils (the spirit of deception) by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has COME unto you.

Was Paul saying something different; or, was he agreeing agreeing that is GOD IN YOU; HIS flesh and bone, that keeps you from sinning and not of yourself (your DEAD) only a NEW CREATION exist.

When you BELIEVE you are going to keep sinning in this life, then your going to keep sinning.

Matthew 8:13 .... and as thou hast BELIEVE, so be it done unto you ........

Do you BELIEVE you are a NEW CREATION, the flesh and bone OF CHRIST?

John 17:22 And the glory that thou has given me, I have GIVEN them, that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

If you don't believe that scripture, then the Kingdom of God has not YET COME to you.

God bless you

Regarding the discussion about whether we are saved and cannot loose our salvation . I'm not supporting any one person's views but I will explain mine if I may . Jesus's prayer in John chapter 17 is very telling to me , I shall not expound it but I will leave it to you to infer what you will from it . I believe that God knows who will be among His treasures and we don't know about anybody else because we don't truly know the heart of anyone else , only God knows us totally . I look at all those TV evangelists living in luxury and I wonder whether or not they are truly saved ? There was a man in my congregation , married over twenty years . His wife discovered that she has H.I.V. He confessed that he had been regularly sleeping with men even before he was married . The church was just a lifestyle to him . We all thought he was a true Christian through and through , is he saved ? I don't know because I don't know his heart and I'm not his judge , God will judge him through Christ . We all sin , saved or not , none of us is clean but we are covered , Christ has covered us with his innocent blood and God doesn't see our sins anymore . That doesn't mean that we are sinless , it means Christ has paid the penalty for our sins and God will not impute them to us . Our relationship with Christ is very personal and we are not under the law we are under grace . There may be times in our lives where we will be faced with choices and sometimes those choices will involve us doing things that the law says is wrong , do I have to honour my violent abusive atheist parents ? You have all faced choices . God knows who is His , He knew before we were born . It's not our business to judge others , they have their own personal relationship with Christ . We may warn someone or advise someone but if they don't heed our warning that's their choice and they must work out their own salvation and speak to God about it through Christ . God knows everything about everyone , we don't .

Hi Ronald.

Thank you for your time chart.

It's pretty much like mine at first glance.

But the second part of your post I can't agree with.

You mentioned; "We cannot put the people in 70 AD and the prince in the future.

I partially agree with you there.

The people of the prince is future to Daniel but past to us.

The Prince that shall come is clearly going forward after the Messiah cut off and future of the Destruction of Jerusalem.

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come...."

You mentioned the usage of King Nebuchadnezzar as an example to Christ being the Prince of of Rome.



In the OT God raised up rulers and nations to chasten Israel and he called them his anointed, "They were raised to power for a certain purpose"

But he never called them his people.

Messiah the Prince associates Jesus with Israel connected by the word Messiah.

But often times in the book of Daniel prince is used consistently to identify the demonic source behind the scene influencing the concurring nations.

Daniel 10:13, and Daniel 10:20. for example.

Rome dominion never ended.

The prince that shall come represents them.

We see three world powers in Daniels images.

We see the princes behind those powers with the dreadful beast rising out of the last one. "Rome"

and he shall confirm a covenant for one week. If this is Jesus what part of the Gospels declare this 7 year covenant?

You mentioned earlier the 3.5 years before the crucifixion when Christ was baptized as the half way point of the 70th week.

How did you get 3.5 years and can you give details of the last 3.5 years?

I've shared my view earlier in my original reply to this post. .

Thanks in advance. .

God bless

JESUS' own testimony about Himself is wonderful, and reveals to us in depth the mystery of His existence here in the greatness of the Universe created by GOD, the Word, GOD the Father, full of heavenly bodies, and here on Earth, specifically, He populated the planet with living beings, and sat in the circle of the Earth, as is written in Isaiah 40:21-22KJV:

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is GOD that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; ...

That said, we must remember what JESUS said from His own existence: - John 17:4-5KJV: as follow:

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. ( John 1:3, and 5:17, and Hebrews 1:1-2KJV testify about this that JESUS said. Take a look.)

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was. (John the Baptist, the angel of the LORD, testified about this, saying: John 1:18KJV- 18 No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.)

Paul testified, saying: Colossians 1:14-16KJV:

14 In JESUS we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD -the Word- the Word is GOD- , the firstborn of every creature (the Word made flesh):

16 For by Him -by JESUS- were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: ( John 1:3, and 5:17, and Hebrews 1:1-2 confirm)

Can I ask a question of everyone ? I've heard a few people say that the anti-Christ will appear and proclaim himself that he is Christ , could this not mean that some one will present themselves as a saviour , not necessarily as Jesus Christ but as an inventor of something , or a scientist or a discoverer of a medical breakthrough ? Does anyone think that's possible ? There are so many evil things going on in science these days , people trying desperately to prove that we humans are the peak of evolution and that we can do anything that any God can do .

Salvation (part 3)

Ezekiel 36:24-32 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

Joel 2:12-14 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Salvation (part 2)

Galatians 2:16-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified BY Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:1-4 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hello all, wondering if anyone knows verses that say were immediately saved the moment we believe in and/or follow Jesus?

The only ones ive heard ppl believe are implied but i havnt found any yet saying this before judgment?

Can we reach a state of perfection in our lifes on earth , where we actually sin no more?

Which chapter does it mention the stone wall? and does anyone know what the stone wall means?