Colossians Chapter 2 Discussion Page 3

Verse 8- we must be careful that we don’t chose human traditions over the truths found in the Bible.

BSP; An interesting point is how the Word which was from the beginning ever had to be kept a secret. Understanding the history as recorded in the Scriptures shows that it was the rise of the heathen and Antichrist, which conspired to break the bands asunder and cast away the cords of God with men, that turned the common faith and all the hope of man into something to be concealed from view.

Verses 2,3~The sacred secret was to be revealed and Jesus is the focal point of the sacred secret.

vs3. "In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Know of a certainty, this is true. But it comes at great cost..."For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow". I testify to the truth of this. The more of Jesus you have, the more of knowledge you gain, the more grief and sorrow you will live with. The only salvation left for you, is Jesus.

"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." What draws the heart of man to Christ is how Jesus knows EVERYTHING

Jimmy (cont.); But the way we come to Jesus in the first place is holy and good in God's view! We seek forgiveness and reconciliation through the precious blood of Jesus, and God's great love and mercy for us. Is the blood of Christ not powerful enough to make reconciliation for us? Is the blood of Christ not powerful enough to purify the believing soul from every sin and repair all sin's damage?

Jimmy; New wine must be put into new wine-skins, that both may be preserved. We are saved and sanctified for the purpose of being perfect like our heavenly Father is perfect; and for letting the light of our Christ-like New Nature and good works be seen by men, to our Father's glory. Everyone knows talk is cheap and we should better be sure our character and behavior match our preaching to others.

Dear Jimmy; Jesus Himself said, "Do not suppose that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I came not to abolish, but to completely make full." (literal translation). Also, isn't it the entire purpose of one's repentance and conversion to henceforth live a good and holy life of meekness and piety and bring forth good fruit to God? God has commanded that we should be holy as He is holy!

this chapter is explaining Christ removed the Law and how we are to just trust in him and not in any rituals or doctrines of man..the goal of a christian life isnt trying to live holy but to total trust in Jesus..look at 2:6..as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in him..so think.. how you received him..did you come with holiness or goodness? of course not..u believed on Jesus.

Verse 8: There are many different philosophies of this world and they are constantly striving to push imperfect human thinking to the forefront. We have to keep making sure of what is acceptable to God.

amen brother Daniel someone has discernment against the harlot churches
rome orthodoxy and many so called evangelical are intrigued by the eucharist
apostasy abounds everyone one is hush hush about false religious rituals
john14-6 jesus is the way the truth and the life acts 4-12 salvation is found
in no other name but jesus Christ and him alone.the philosophy of man
sends souls to hell.

To A disciple: I agree, it’s not the ideal way to communicate; what kills me is the limited space. I want to thank you for engaging in this discussion; it’s been a pleasure! It was not about winning an argument, but all about studying God’s word, and expressing ourselves freely. Thanks to you I had to read Ezekiel again, almost in its entirety. It was a good exercise... God bless you and keep you!

Daniel; I would like to finish up on this for now. The way I understand it the institution of offering a sacrifice was in its first meaning and so too in all its meaning under the First Testament; simply for bringing to remembrance, and for a token to symbolize the Anointed to come; and NEVER was it meant to be the actual intermediary as if to replace the True. So then it was a sign to teaching.

Daniel; You know it really is a "less than" experience, trying to fellowship and talk about the things of the Lord, over the computer! I remember when I was in High School, and this Computer stuff was just getting started; and they were saying how it would be in the future: No one listened to me, when I said, This is a big mistake! But I guess we'll have to make do till they take that away too!

To A disciple: Excellent point; you say, “the way to the holiest was now opened to all through Jesus” our High Priest. Which means we do not need another intermediary or another sacrifice: The Ultimate Sacrifice has been offered. Jesus is our Intermediary to God. Now, if all sacrifices will cease (only) when Jesus comes and takes us home, how “FOREVER” are they? Death will eventually be destroyed.

(Cont’d) Do you think that 2-3,000 years extra qualify them as “forever”? Here are more examples of not quite forever “forevers”: Ex 21:6, Lev 25:46, 1Sa 1:22, 1Sa 13:13, 1Ki 12:7, 1Ch 28:9, Jer 17:4, and others. I agree with you: it is a terrible thing to reject Jesus. We need to preach The Good News more faithfully and pray more fervently for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. God bless you too!

Daniel; the "Satanic doctrine" of transubstantiation is out of the same filth pot of garbage from Babylon, and held on to by the Romish church, and is NOTHING related to the sacrifices under the first covenant. The Jews are dreaming of rebuilding the Temple and resuming the Services; but as they will not receive any Prophet or Apostle or even the Lord Jesus Himself; it will be only for disaster!

Daniel; the veil of the Temple rent in two signified that the way to the holiest was now opened to all through Jesus. The Scriptures saying that the priesthood and the Law would be forever was not rent in two, but a fabric curtain of a figure. When the Lord comes and sets up His everlasting kingdom; then we will all see and know everything. The Lord bless you Brother!

To A disciple: I appreciate your comments, and I can see your passion for the Word of God. How I wish more people would study to know Him, the only true God Jn. 17:3. Back to Temple sacrifices: When Jesus died the veil was rent ( Matt. 27:51) and the Shekinah glory was gone; indicating the end of the Aaronic priesthood. Ap. Paul explains that in Romans, Galatians, Colossians and Hebrews.

(Cont’d) In Heb. 7:27 he says: He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself; and 9:28 Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many. Erroneous understanding of this led to belief in Transubstantiation and the desire of many to rebuild the Temple; in a sense rejecting Christ and His sacrifice, as being insufficient.

Daniel (cont.) As far as learning to use the Hebrew and Greek Lexicons, I find it VERY enjoyable, and a HUGE benefit in that it really helps me understand the clear meaning in the text as it was given to the Prophets and Apostles to write; AS GOD MEANT THEM TO BE UNDERSTOOD! Also having access to a few good Dictionaries! As Christ's Redeemed and as His servants it is our honor and duty to study!

Hi Daniel; Back to our discussion.. I understand perfectly and know the Truth that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the Complete and Perfect Meaning signified by the animal sacrifices. But the Apostles and Hebrew Saints still observed them till the Temple was destroyed and the Services abandoned. In its Divinely appointed role it is no competition for where we put our faith for salvation.

Steve: Interesting addition Rom 12:1. Presenting our body as a living sacrifice also involves death: the death of the old man Rom 6:6. But even this type of sacrifice will cease at the time of Christ’s second coming, when we will receive new immortal bodies 1Cor 15:51-53. Our body, is the temple of the Holy Spirit: we need to take care of it; by not eating or drinking unhealthy and unclean foods.

To A disciple, sorry to state the obvious: Can you try sending part 1 again?

Daniel (continuing..) Lets look at what we know about the 1000 Years: The wicked will have been removed, and the devil locked up and sealed in the pit of the abyss; the government shall be given to the Saints under Jesus the King of all the earth; the Law of God will be the Law of all Nations, enforced by an iron rod; those born during the 1000 Years will only know a world ruled in righteousness.

To A disciple: V. good point. I believe we need to reconsider our definition/interpretation of words like, FOREVER, ETERNITY, EVERLASTING, etc. Four things define a word: What God meant by it, how the writer understood it and expressed it, how it was translated after thousands of years, and what is the meaning for us today. They should all match; unfortunately, sometimes they don’t. (see cont'n)

(Continued) Every time I look at the Hebrew language, I shiver: almost every word has 5-15 different meanings. You are right: the plan of salvation was made before the foundation of the world 1Pet. 1:19, 20. Look at it this way: a sacrifice involves death. Christ came to solve the problem of sin and death, not to prolong it “forever”. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1Co 15:26

Daniel; Yes, by the way you look at it, absolutely! But why does the LORD say so many times in the Law, that This Shall Be A Statute Forever Unto The Children Of Israel? Did He not know that He was going to come in the flesh and completely make it full? That doesn't seem likely! Maybe if we understand it as sacrifices were originally intended, instead of the religious icon they became...?

Re. Ezekiel ch. 40-48 I can’t imagine Jesus, our High Priest in heaven, interceding in our behalf with His own blood; being helped by the sons of Zadok ch.40, presenting animal blood

Daniel; Your Welcome! Its in the last chapters, from 40 on; where the Prophet is brought in visions to see the City, and the Angel (?) is measuring and describing everything.. Very interesting, but hard to picture exactly. Talk to you soon.