Daniel Chapter 8 Discussion Page 2

Marcelo, that's spot-on! Very accurate. The eighth is of the seven, all of them. Goes into perdition. Who is the ONLY one already sentenced to perdition? This king ran em all.....the devil. The four horns were Alexander's four generals, like the four wings on the leopard. When you look at the four beasts, the statue and the ram/ goat, you get enough info to open Daniel....almost. Use Dan on Rev.

I understand why Daniel almost fainted after seeing this vision. It makes me sick to my stomach just reading what is soon to be. So many will perish thinking they are doing the right thing. The deception of peace is such a great move in the grand game of chess that God and satan have been playng for so long and seems to be winding down with the generation of the fig tree.

About the chapter 8:8 when the fourth great kingdom which was Persian empire was knocked by Alexander the Great, "the goat waxed very great" means the fifth kingdom so he Alex was strong, but when its great horn was broken he fell, for this reason there came four notable ones, that represented the sixth great kingdom Roman empire with its four tetrarchs tetra means four - arch head leaders . About the verse 9, "Out of them came a little horn", means out of the Romans the seventh empire which has a extreme prosperity in all the directions of the Earth. In the book of revelation we can find the end of the the seventh empire through the great tribulations, even the eighth Empire that probably will be finishing the last millennium, which could be the seventh millennium since the creation of man.

Much of the world will think he is doing good , but in reality he is killing innocent people. " He will kill wonderfully ". Agree with bob k above.

I agree with most of Bob K's intreprtation of Daniel chapter 8. The one thing in my opinion I differ from Bob is I don't believe the first beast is coming from the Holy Roman Empire. He's coming out of the pit of hell resurrected by Satan. Remember the people wonder at the beast because he was wounded and came back to life? My opinion the anti-christ is Nimrod. Right out of the pit of hell restored head back on!

Today we are right in the midst of it. This is happening in God 's Temple. This whole vision is about God 's Church right now-The Last End. Daniel is trying to get to see the king of warfare going on behind the scenes.

This man will destroy many people by preaching peace-or love, love-but he practices the opposite. His is a policy of craft, or deceit, as it reads in the Revised standard version.

this verse refers to a Satan inspired-man leading the great false church to r. ally a united Europe, In type, this verse applies to that Hitler-type leader. He will be a leader of the Holy Roman Empire

This evil Antiochus was given an Army of God 's own people to fight against God! Satan gave him this army because God 's people sinned. see 2nd Thessalonians 2, this same event is called "A great falling away " in the Greek. That is another way of saying they were "casting truth to the ground, " or destroying the faith of God 's people.

These words are written in military terms. The prince of the host is Christ. the word to should be against. This Antiochus, inside God 's church, is fighting against Christ.

Host can refer to an army of demons, angels or men. God has an army of angels and saints. Satan has an army of demons and men - in this case sinning saints.

We must remember Daniel is also an End-Time-Book. this little horn is Antiochus. This is a type of the coming leader of the Holy Roman Empire. But it is also a type of a leader inside God 's own Church

Truth meaning the Law of Truth.

What does TRUTH mean in this context? To me TRUTH is Christ Jesus. Thanks, Gloria

my understanding of Daniel 's chapter 8 is exactly the same with Timothy but pray for LORD YAHSUA he will open your eyes and you see what was witten in bible about four beasts and what they mean Revelation 13 1 10 '11 18 Revelation 14 6 12 Revelation 12 1 17

The great horn is alexander the great and the four are his four generals that divided his kingdom when he died Then Rome comes and then the roman church which ruled the dark ages and hid the bible from the people They also cast down the sanctuary by hiding the way of Gods salvation as sown in the sanctuary See psalms 77 13 73 esp verse17

Dan 8 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king This is the first of the 7 Kings to rule over the Roman Empire Beleaguered Greece President of European Union Council Jan 1st 2014 in the end times And the 8th will be the 6th king and of the 7

Daniel 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

the nation of Ancient Grease was broken into several nations in the later days four nation shall stand up in their own power. the first is (modern)Grease the second is Turkey where the seven churches of the Revelation of St. John were to be found. the third and fourth are Bosnia and Romania, Romania was the little horn earlier in the tribulation but now as grown into a giant in comparison. and today exploiting every nation it can. Romania is a major manufacturer of Cyanide and was during WW2

When evil will have run its course, a king of fierce face shall come to power, understanding dark sayings. This will be the Antichrist, who will deceive the whole world with his charisma and cause them to receive the mark of the beast 666. Make sure you do not accept that mark, for it is a covenant of death. The Church will be raptured, and not go into the great tribulation. This is the mystery of sin that the Apostle Paul told about in II Thes. 2

who is this first king ? Danial8:21

The world "sacrifice" does not belong to the text of Daniel 8:11, because it is not there in the Hebrew original text. It was added there by the translators and that is why it is italised. Daniel 8:11 should therefore read: "Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down."

My understanding of Daniel's chapter 8 is exactly the same with
Timothy Wayne's who commented on this chapter on 3/ 6/2013.
One has to study Daniel's prophesies together with Revelation of John.God bless you all and give you strong faith and apokalipses -

My understanding of Daniel's chapter 8 is exactly the same with
Timothy Wayne's who commented on this chapter on 3/ 6/2013.
One has to study Daniel's prophesies together with Revelation of John.God bless you all and give you strong faith and apokalipses -

This prophecy consists of things to be fulfilled at the end of time. The Ram was the Media Persian Empire which was overcome by Greece under Alexander the Great. Then Greece was divided into four kingdoms. The king of fierce countenance will be the Antichrist who will sign a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, and after 3 1/2 years, he will break the treaty, and set himself up in the temple, proclaiming to be God, and cause all those on earth to receive the mark of the beast 666. He will be destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ at His second advent. As we get closer to the time of the end, this prophecy will speak.

In the spiritual realm some thoughts are not ready to be revealed to men and women because of maturity of the spirit. The spirit will reveal it when it is time to speak, and then spiritually mature saints should receive the word; like being on milk and then ready for meat.

I have a hard time understanding the bible. My attention span is very short. I pray everyday that God gives me understanding of the work. Can you help me especially with Daniel 8, please.

The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Kings being plural can refer to the Nations that support Media and Persia which could be Iran, Russia and Turkey. I believe Israel will not make a first strike against Iran because they would lose the backing of NATO. Syria will be overthrown and the rebels will set up a new Syria: "Our first goal is to get rid of Assad. Then we want a state where the Quran is the only source of law." Peace will be proclaimed in Syria stopping further military action. Shortly after this event, Turkey and Greece will have a battle in Cyprus over land/oil rights and Israel will act in defense of Greece. (Israel= "the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.") This will be a pivotal move for the Muslims to use to attack Israel. Israel will be attacked from all sides. NATO will come in to defend Greece/Cyprus as Turkey at this point, supported by other Muslim nations, will continue the fight in a second assault. (Greece and Israel win the first attack) I believe it will be Germany, France, Great Britain and the US that gets into the fight to defend Greece. World War 3 erupts in full force. "In the latter time of their kingdom"... I think that means after NATO has to sign a World War 3 Peace Treaty that makes a one world government ruled by Wahhabi law."... by peace shall destroy many" means everyone that refuses to be ruled by Wahhabi law will be destroyed. Some people may think that Turkey will never attack Cyprus because they are a NATO nation but they want possession of Cyprus, actually they want all of Greece. They also have attempted to join Russia and China as a part of the Shanghai Cooperation agreement. Turkey does not want to be ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood will rule Syria and Turkey will fear the same thing that happened to Syria will happen to them. I believe Turkey will leave NATO when the war starts and join Iran, Russia and China to fight the USA. Saudi Arabia will wait until after other nations military is destroyed or reduced to a weakened state, then they will step in as a controlling power.

Actually, concerning the 'ereb boqer (evenings, mornings) of verse 14, the Adventists are not in error on this point. It's all in the word order. "Evening and morning" is the Biblical language used for meaning one day. This principle is set forth in the book of Genesis:

"So the evening and the morning were the first day." (1:5)

"So the evening and the morning were the second day." (1:8)

"So the evening and the morning were the third day." (1:13)

And so forth. In the Bible, days begin in the evening. Hence the reason the Lord said "from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath" ( Leviticus 23:32). The morning, then, would be the second part of the day.

However, with regards to sacrifices, this order is reversed. Instead of evening and morning, the language use for offerings is morning and evening. This is made plain in the following examples:

Exodus 29:39
One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight ['ereb].

Numbers 28:4
The one lamb you shall offer in the morning, the other lamb you shall offer in the evening.

2 Kings 16:15
On the great new altar burn the morning burnt offering, the evening grain offering...

1 Chronicles 16:40
to offer burnt offerings to the Lord on the altar of burnt offering regularly morning and evening...

2 Chronicles 2:4
...for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, on the New Moons, and on the set feasts of the LORD our God...

2 Chronicles 13:11
And they burn to the LORD every morning and every evening burnt sacrifices and sweet incense...

Thus the phrase "morning" and "evening" became the staple for signifying sacrificial offerings all throughout Scripture. As Siegfried Schwantes points out, this expression perpetuated into the post-Old Testament when the Apocrypha came about. 1 Esdras 5:50 says, "and they offered sacrifices according to the time, and burnt offerings to the Lord both morning and evening."

Now, if the text in Daniel 8:14 had stated 2300 mornings and evenings, then a case could be made that the passage was, indeed, talking about sacrifices (though, I think, it would still seem that each morning and evening would stand for a day). However, the text doesn't use that order. Rather, it says "evenings and mornings" which, as indicated above, is the language used for a day. So, the KJV rendering of 'ereb boqer as meaning "days" may be a bit interpretive, but it is by no means inaccurate. The translators knew what they were doing in this case. So, understanding that the expression means 2300 days and applying the year-day principle to this text (which had also been done from time to time prior to the Millerite movement), the doctrine that this is a 2300 year prophecy stands upon firm ground.

i belive that was satan talking to the angel gabriel who told that he had 2300 years to rule

In Verse 13 of Daniel 8, two heavenly being was shown to Daniel in Susa, one ask the other and the other answered him who ask not to Daniel. The 2300 evening and morning (ereb boqer) not days. It was confirmed in Verse 26 of Daniel. This is a vision of evenings and mornings, the daily sacrifices they offer not number of days. This leads to the disappointment of the Millerite Movements and was carried by the Seventh Day Adventist. King James Bible has a lots of error and it is not good because many people are using it without studying the original Hebrew words that lead them to commit error. It is obvious that two heavenly being having a conversation, one ask to the other and why the other answered to Daniel? This very elementary error.