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Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
King Solomon saw the folly of not speedialy punishing the wicked. In this day and age, criminals are let go with a slap on the wrist. This only enables them to commit more crimes.
Jesus laid down His life so that people could be forgiven for their sins. He didn't lay down His life so that the wicked could commit crimes with impunity. They should be stopped by whatever means necessary, even if it means cutting off their hand(s) to prevent them from using a weapon or grabbing someone.
If you ask me, all rapists especially child molesters should be fully castrated. Or, at the very least have their hands cut off so they can't rape anyone else.
The Bible never says anything close to raping a woman is fine. It is definitely wrong. In 2 Samuel 13, Amnon was murdered by his half-brother for raping their sister. The sons of Jacob murdered the whole city for raping their sister Dinah in Genesis 34. Judges 19 also doesn't condone rape. Deuteronomy 22: 25 says that if a woman is raped the the man that raped her should be stoned. Now to the other topic of questioning, if a man is arguing with another man and he gets hit, it is no right for the woman to step in. Especially should she not grab a man by his man parts. The Mosaic law was very clear that sexual sin in any way would not be condoned. She committed a sexual sin by grabbing his man parts and in turn she would lose that hand for committing that sin. Jesus died on the cross for us and Paul clearly says that we are no under the law, but under grace. Jesus fulfilled the law. There is no excuse to sin because of that, but we don't cut off people's hands anymore.
My thoughts are that we do need to be wise about those who call themselves believers and yet live outwardly sinful lives along the lines mentioned in the Corinthians verses you quoted. Their behavior tarnishes the witness of Christ through the church. If stubbornly unrepentant they put themselves in the category of the devil and his angels who believe in Christ and yet tremble because they do not wish to live for God. They are courting the possibility of apostasy.
Also, about the condition of the world around us, my thoughts are that this is not the most evil time in history. It may seem that way because the western world is becoming more and more disobedient to God and the Gospel of Christ, more and more scoffers and mockers who openly challenge the righteous living of believers with their flaunting of sinful living. The world has been cruel, idolatrous, revilers of God and His truth since before the flood and shortly after (think Babel) and all throughout history (think of the persecution of Christian under Roman rule, the slaughter of the Islamic takeovers of countries in the 700's, and the enslavement of so many groups of people throughout time.
We just notice these things more because it is happening before our very eyes. There are many areas of the world where the Gospel is advancing in leaps and bounds with new believers bring added daily in great numbers, but in the western world,
true faithful Christian people are declining and the believers in these cultures are getting more and more worldly.
We should still desire to share the gospel with others because it is what we are called to do from Scripture. If few accept the Gospel, that is no reason to be discouraged, both elect and non-elect need to hear the Gospel. God is the one who brings anyone to faith in Him, so we share the Gospel and leave the conversion to God. Those who refuse the Gospel may come to Christ at a later time or never at all. God knows who are to become His.
The Old Testment was given to Hebrews about 1500 BC. Let's not forget that that Law represented societies of that time. God gave them a law that was familiar to them, all other nations at that time, Sumerians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians had similar Laws. So all those practises and customs were already known to them by their living in those other places. They were accustomed to them. Those people at that time didn't have the same mind as we have today. Today we could never consider those practises as normal, we would never eg marry our brother's wife if he died without leaving children or we wouldn't pick our servant to have children with her if our wife could not make children like Abraham did and many other things in the O.T. So don't consider those rules under modern standards. How about the idea that one could have slaves? It cannot even pass through our mind nowadays but at that time it was normal. GBU
I know I shouldn't be upset. All the wickedness going on in the world is making me crazy. We know that Jesus is right at the door, and as Matthew 24:13 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Christians take a lot of flack for simply trying to give The Lost the information they need to be saved. They don't want to hear it. It's very frustrating.
What does 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 mean? We should shun phony Christians and not fret over the unsaved????
1Corinthians 5:
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets :
12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
"the secrets" = private parts. "cut off her hand"
Isn't this overkill?
But raping women is just fine???
The more I read the Bible the more I just want to avoid people and stay in the house.
Amalek is a type of the flesh and Christians are instructed by God to fight Amalek to the death every day of their lives as necessary. Leave no remnant of Amalek standing, so to speak.
I believe there is a very important NT lesson and application of Deuteronomy 25:4, that is brought out in two passages in the NT.
Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.
1 Corinthians 9
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Timothy 5
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
The first three verses here indicate punishment deemed worthy for wickedness is judged by the "judges" who were tied in with the Priesthood; and rendered up to but not exceeding 40 lashes. Paul was; for what they claimed was insurrection or like "offenses" subject to such beatings as well. ( 2 Cor. 11:24); some FIVE times (minus one I suppose to ease their conscience). As to muzzling an ox in verse 4; I am not sure if there is a deeper spiritual context here; other than showing kindness to God's creation; other definitions show that it should be allowed to eat while working; in a sense "worthy of it's hire".
Verses 5 through 10 indicate a rule for the house of Israel; something that didn't deem direct sanction or punishment from God; but did allow for the "in your face" reaction by an offended widow expecting the "duty" of a brother living in the same house to continue her offspring within the family name by marriage. Such a brazen act of spitting in the face; and the symbolic one of loosening the shoe showed the opposite of the endearment of the Kinsman-Redeemer in the story of Ruth with Boaz. This was part of God's plan for the nation of Israel at the time-we may not relate today as modern day Americans but this is God's Word.
On the other hand; verses 11 through 12 seem overly harsh to a wife protecting her husband; nonetheless it demonstrates certain parts of the body are to be held sacred even in this case.
Verse 14 through 15 is yet another of many admonitions to have just and fair balances to enact transactions. This seems to transition into verse 16 about Amalek concluding the chapter. This shows how a past transgression affects God's further administration of justice; even after many generations. Here; the offspring of Amalek were told to be wiped out. It shall be assumed that there were either giant hybrids involved; or God knew that there would be no repentance among his descendants. We may not understand; but all of God's ways are right.
Precious Love Of Jesus, you are Very Welcome. Please Be Very 'Enriched' Growing In HIS Wonderful And Amazing GRACE!
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15Romans 16:25Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE, today?)
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} study ALL Scripture - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 2 years ago
Precious friends, no one is "content/ignoring tons of scripture" that commands we be 'water baptized' Today, Under God's GRACE. We have "studied" Much, Prayerfully And Carefully, And Have Found ONLY "ONE Baptism" for Today, and it is NOT "water"! Link
We Must Be Very Careful not "to blaspheme The Holy Spirit" = (as the Jews did) "attributing The 'Work Of The Holy Spirit' unto men/Satan, Instead Of To God." Matthew 12:31; Mark 3:28-30 Correct?
Some 'May Be confused' so, Other "Confirming" studies are here
Spencer, Thank you for your reply. I do not know anyone's history on here, so thanks for sharing. I kind of got here by "accident". I have not, however, come on tis comment section thinking I am going to set anyone aright. We are all just sharing our ideas here. Some of us can do so rigorously, others with a soft touch, others more timidly. There is room for everyone. In fact, I thought when I came on here I would hear far more "orthodoxy" than error. So, coming upon things that seemed false teachings to me took me by surprise. I had to pray about whether even to stay on this site, let alone try to articulate what I know to be "orthodox" teachings of the church. Not everything that I disagree with is false teaching or error. There are plenty of topics that allow for differences of viewpoints. This is called "heterodoxy".
So, I appreciate your story. We are not alike in the way you explained as far as my motivations. But we each have things to learn and ways to grow. A site like this is helpful towards these things. I am well aware that I may say things that upset people, just as people say things that unsettle my spirit, as well. I don't intend to be controversial. But I am not afraid to speak a view that may not be commonly held by others on this site. So, like you said, people may get angry with me. I just let them own that unless they can point out where something I have said is unkind or otherwise sinful. Then I will repent and apologize. That is why I ask for clarification, so I can go before the Lord and see if I have wronged anyone with what I have said. If so, I am to own that.
For, me, like others, God has brought us here together to wrestle with viewpoints so that His truth will prevail. And so, I think each of our viewpoints is important to contribute. That is why I post, because I think my viewpoint may be helpful to someone.
Many of us certainly are not passive. But we are wanting to hold out the word of truth to those who need it. God Bless.
You should have heard me when I first came on the site 2020 Christmas eve.
I assumed I would be needed as help to fend off false doctrine, I was ambitious and ready to go. I'm sure some remember.
And to top it off once I heard Brother Chris and a few others I was like GREAT TEACHINGS!! And then out of excitement I made the unforgettable comment!! I said- Quoting " I thought this site needed me to help protect it from false doctrine but they have great teachers here!! I don't think that went well. Lol. Then I get into a debate about the marks of a Christian nation and the fruitfulness of our nation, I believe that rub some people wrong and some held that against me till this day.
I've decided to be more of a supporter to those who teach what I believe to be the truth. I struggled and still do as do you, But atleast we're not passive.
I've returned to answer a few questions you asked me.
You asked: how I was disrespectful?
Well, the original post was 2 days ago, and you never responded to the lady's posting, "April" that's why I said these posts are not directed at you. If so, the original reply would have been sent to you. I was expanding on at topic that come up often that I didn't have time to engage in but said I would when time permits.
You posted addressed to me before I ever responded to the post, I gave an "Amen to Brother Jesse post and to Grace post, with the focus on water baptism isn't required for salvation. That was the narrative!
You quoted "I am not saying that water baptism saves. I am saying it is the act of obedience" whether water baptism is out of obedience or for salvation is 2 different narratives and this post was dealing with the salvation issue. Your focus seemed to be on me as I second and supported others in the tread.
And no, you don't have less privilege in posting your viewpoint on the subject because you are new to the site, but your viewpoint should have been addressed to April that way we would have stuck to the narrative, "Does water baptism saves" you said you doesn't believe it does, but you colleagues believe otherwise.
You stated.
Now quoting:
I am not trying to be contrary here. I can tell you may be a bit bothered. We disagree on this subject. I'm good with that. We both can post our viewpoints and respond to posts as we see fit. Well, you have been given that respect, give it to others. Adress your viewpoint to the post not to the responders or to someone saying "Amen" especially if we agree on the narrative. "Is water baptism for salvation". Dispensation and transitional period were just embodied in the discussion and wasn't to take precedence over the narrative.
There are some posting in this thread that are content ignoring tons of bible scripture as long as their preconceived salvation narrative of faith+grace and not much else is preached. Many are comfortable ignoring and telling others to ignore Christs (numerous) commands to be baptized in water and follow the commandments, among other things.
Christ tells us to pick up our crosses and follow him!
Today, many twist Pauls words to reflect their misguided salvation message. Paul does not cancel the words spoken by Jesus/God. If you believe that the words of Jesus should be ignored please read this scripture below:
Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Perhaps you could read Matthew Henry's commentary on Acts 19
I am not meaning to be disrespectful
Can you tell me how I was disrespectful?
I also do not think I am any more "authorative" than anyone else on here who has firm views, as you do.
I am still learning about this community, but it sounds to me from your post that since I am newer I have less privilege in posting my viewpoint than others.
I am not trying to be contrary here. I can tell you may be a bit bothered. We disagree on this subject. I'm good with that. We both can post our viewpoints and respond to posts as we see fit.
Unless there is something in the terms of agreement that say otherwise, such as I can only respond to a post directed to me?
If we come across anything that adds to the finish work of Christ we have to revisit the viewpoint. By the means of the law we failed miserably!! Paul said in Romans 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The issue is the incurable heart!!
With this heart the nature is disobedience,
Therefore obedience is internal expressed outwardly!!
I'm sorry if this bothers you but these posts is not directed at you. If so the original reply would have been sent to you.
This has been a debated topic long before you and I joined the site. Let's share our views and not try to use "Authority" . And no It doesn't say they we're baptized in water by Paul. It does say. "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
WHEN THEY HEARD THIS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.
This comes up often and was debated a couple of weeks ago, I didn't have time to engage but said I would when time permits. The topic come up again so here I am. Please respect that
Spencer, again, Paul baptized these believers in water and then laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. I know we disagree on this, but it plainly speaks of two happenings here, baptizing them and then laying on of hands.
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
King Solomon saw the folly of not speedialy punishing the wicked. In this day and age, criminals are let go with a slap on the wrist. This only enables them to commit more crimes.
Jesus laid down His life so that people could be forgiven for their sins. He didn't lay down His life so that the wicked could commit crimes with impunity. They should be stopped by whatever means necessary, even if it means cutting off their hand(s) to prevent them from using a weapon or grabbing someone.
My thoughts are that we do need to be wise about those who call themselves believers and yet live outwardly sinful lives along the lines mentioned in the Corinthians verses you quoted. Their behavior tarnishes the witness of Christ through the church. If stubbornly unrepentant they put themselves in the category of the devil and his angels who believe in Christ and yet tremble because they do not wish to live for God. They are courting the possibility of apostasy.
Also, about the condition of the world around us, my thoughts are that this is not the most evil time in history. It may seem that way because the western world is becoming more and more disobedient to God and the Gospel of Christ, more and more scoffers and mockers who openly challenge the righteous living of believers with their flaunting of sinful living. The world has been cruel, idolatrous, revilers of God and His truth since before the flood and shortly after (think Babel) and all throughout history (think of the persecution of Christian under Roman rule, the slaughter of the Islamic takeovers of countries in the 700's, and the enslavement of so many groups of people throughout time.
We just notice these things more because it is happening before our very eyes. There are many areas of the world where the Gospel is advancing in leaps and bounds with new believers bring added daily in great numbers, but in the western world,
true faithful Christian people are declining and the believers in these cultures are getting more and more worldly.
We should still desire to share the gospel with others because it is what we are called to do from Scripture. If few accept the Gospel, that is no reason to be discouraged, both elect and non-elect need to hear the Gospel. God is the one who brings anyone to faith in Him, so we share the Gospel and leave the conversion to God. Those who refuse the Gospel may come to Christ at a later time or never at all. God knows who are to become His.
The Old Testment was given to Hebrews about 1500 BC. Let's not forget that that Law represented societies of that time. God gave them a law that was familiar to them, all other nations at that time, Sumerians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians had similar Laws. So all those practises and customs were already known to them by their living in those other places. They were accustomed to them. Those people at that time didn't have the same mind as we have today. Today we could never consider those practises as normal, we would never eg marry our brother's wife if he died without leaving children or we wouldn't pick our servant to have children with her if our wife could not make children like Abraham did and many other things in the O.T. So don't consider those rules under modern standards. How about the idea that one could have slaves? It cannot even pass through our mind nowadays but at that time it was normal. GBU
I know I shouldn't be upset. All the wickedness going on in the world is making me crazy. We know that Jesus is right at the door, and as Matthew 24:13 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Christians take a lot of flack for simply trying to give The Lost the information they need to be saved. They don't want to hear it. It's very frustrating.
What does 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 mean? We should shun phony Christians and not fret over the unsaved????
1Corinthians 5:
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
What are your thoughts??
12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
"the secrets" = private parts. "cut off her hand"
Isn't this overkill?
But raping women is just fine???
The more I read the Bible the more I just want to avoid people and stay in the house.
Deuteronomy 25:4
Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.
1 Corinthians 9
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Timothy 5
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
Verses 5 through 10 indicate a rule for the house of Israel; something that didn't deem direct sanction or punishment from God; but did allow for the "in your face" reaction by an offended widow expecting the "duty" of a brother living in the same house to continue her offspring within the family name by marriage. Such a brazen act of spitting in the face; and the symbolic one of loosening the shoe showed the opposite of the endearment of the Kinsman-Redeemer in the story of Ruth with Boaz. This was part of God's plan for the nation of Israel at the time-we may not relate today as modern day Americans but this is God's Word.
On the other hand; verses 11 through 12 seem overly harsh to a wife protecting her husband; nonetheless it demonstrates certain parts of the body are to be held sacred even in this case.
Verse 14 through 15 is yet another of many admonitions to have just and fair balances to enact transactions. This seems to transition into verse 16 about Amalek concluding the chapter. This shows how a past transgression affects God's further administration of justice; even after many generations. Here; the offspring of Amalek were told to be wiped out. It shall be assumed that there were either giant hybrids involved; or God knew that there would be no repentance among his descendants. We may not understand; but all of God's ways are right.
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE, today?)
We Must Be Very Careful not "to blaspheme The Holy Spirit" = (as the Jews did) "attributing The 'Work Of The Holy Spirit' unto men/Satan, Instead Of To God." Matthew 12:31; Mark 3:28-30 Correct?
Some 'May Be confused' so, Other "Confirming" studies are here
Solving water Confusion:
Part 1 Link
Part 2 Link
Israel's 'water' for the priesthood = various washings:
Part 1 Link
Part 2 Link
All are invited to study "ALL The Holy Scriptures" on this Important Issue - Be Encouraged!
So, I appreciate your story. We are not alike in the way you explained as far as my motivations. But we each have things to learn and ways to grow. A site like this is helpful towards these things. I am well aware that I may say things that upset people, just as people say things that unsettle my spirit, as well. I don't intend to be controversial. But I am not afraid to speak a view that may not be commonly held by others on this site. So, like you said, people may get angry with me. I just let them own that unless they can point out where something I have said is unkind or otherwise sinful. Then I will repent and apologize. That is why I ask for clarification, so I can go before the Lord and see if I have wronged anyone with what I have said. If so, I am to own that.
For, me, like others, God has brought us here together to wrestle with viewpoints so that His truth will prevail. And so, I think each of our viewpoints is important to contribute. That is why I post, because I think my viewpoint may be helpful to someone.
Many of us certainly are not passive. But we are wanting to hold out the word of truth to those who need it. God Bless.
You should have heard me when I first came on the site 2020 Christmas eve.
I assumed I would be needed as help to fend off false doctrine, I was ambitious and ready to go. I'm sure some remember.
And to top it off once I heard Brother Chris and a few others I was like GREAT TEACHINGS!! And then out of excitement I made the unforgettable comment!! I said- Quoting " I thought this site needed me to help protect it from false doctrine but they have great teachers here!! I don't think that went well. Lol. Then I get into a debate about the marks of a Christian nation and the fruitfulness of our nation, I believe that rub some people wrong and some held that against me till this day.
I've decided to be more of a supporter to those who teach what I believe to be the truth. I struggled and still do as do you, But atleast we're not passive.
God bless.
I've returned to answer a few questions you asked me.
You asked: how I was disrespectful?
Well, the original post was 2 days ago, and you never responded to the lady's posting, "April" that's why I said these posts are not directed at you. If so, the original reply would have been sent to you. I was expanding on at topic that come up often that I didn't have time to engage in but said I would when time permits.
You posted addressed to me before I ever responded to the post, I gave an "Amen to Brother Jesse post and to Grace post, with the focus on water baptism isn't required for salvation. That was the narrative!
You quoted "I am not saying that water baptism saves. I am saying it is the act of obedience" whether water baptism is out of obedience or for salvation is 2 different narratives and this post was dealing with the salvation issue. Your focus seemed to be on me as I second and supported others in the tread.
And no, you don't have less privilege in posting your viewpoint on the subject because you are new to the site, but your viewpoint should have been addressed to April that way we would have stuck to the narrative, "Does water baptism saves" you said you doesn't believe it does, but you colleagues believe otherwise.
You stated.
Now quoting:
I am not trying to be contrary here. I can tell you may be a bit bothered. We disagree on this subject. I'm good with that. We both can post our viewpoints and respond to posts as we see fit. Well, you have been given that respect, give it to others. Adress your viewpoint to the post not to the responders or to someone saying "Amen" especially if we agree on the narrative. "Is water baptism for salvation". Dispensation and transitional period were just embodied in the discussion and wasn't to take precedence over the narrative.
I hope this explains
GOD BLESS.
Christ tells us to pick up our crosses and follow him!
Today, many twist Pauls words to reflect their misguided salvation message. Paul does not cancel the words spoken by Jesus/God. If you believe that the words of Jesus should be ignored please read this scripture below:
Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow!
Please read your bible and Believe!
It reminds ma of Matthew 23:26.
Here's another highly used verse when
when there's a debate is water baptism required for salvation.
I'll share 3 views briefly and go over the one I held but recently heard brother Jesse view on this verse. And it resonates!!
Here's one that is in error that is commonly used by these who say you have to be baptized by water to be saved.
"The water mentioned in this verse is water baptism."
The interpretation brother Jesse gave earlier in this tread, I want go over that one. I'll leave it for some to research.
The other is the water mentioned in the verse is the word of God.
1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Amen and
God bless.
Thank you ,
God bless.
manifestation of the inward reality of the exercised power of holy spirit. Thought that was pretty good.
God bless you, too.
Perhaps you could read Matthew Henry's commentary on Acts 19
I am not meaning to be disrespectful
Can you tell me how I was disrespectful?
I also do not think I am any more "authorative" than anyone else on here who has firm views, as you do.
I am still learning about this community, but it sounds to me from your post that since I am newer I have less privilege in posting my viewpoint than others.
I am not trying to be contrary here. I can tell you may be a bit bothered. We disagree on this subject. I'm good with that. We both can post our viewpoints and respond to posts as we see fit.
Unless there is something in the terms of agreement that say otherwise, such as I can only respond to a post directed to me?
Even so, I leave this conversation on peace,
Thanks Brother Rick.
If we come across anything that adds to the finish work of Christ we have to revisit the viewpoint. By the means of the law we failed miserably!! Paul said in Romans 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The issue is the incurable heart!!
With this heart the nature is disobedience,
Therefore obedience is internal expressed outwardly!!
I'm sorry if this bothers you but these posts is not directed at you. If so the original reply would have been sent to you.
This has been a debated topic long before you and I joined the site. Let's share our views and not try to use "Authority" . And no It doesn't say they we're baptized in water by Paul. It does say. "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
WHEN THEY HEARD THIS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.
This comes up often and was debated a couple of weeks ago, I didn't have time to engage but said I would when time permits. The topic come up again so here I am. Please respect that
God bless.
believe about God can determine our walk and behaviour spiritually. It's like what and where you have fear
you cannot have spiritual faith and where you have spiritual faith in your walk you will not have fear.
First words out of Adams mouth after downfall he heard Gods voice in the garden and he was
afraid, first words that angels gave to shepherds in the fields fear not for unto this day is born a saviour.