Deuteronomy Chapter 30 Discussion Page 2

Hi and Yes Chris, "Holy Ones" (God said we are as our Father. Our heavenly Father is holy; therefore, we must live a holy life to be holy as He. There are 2 fathers. One is Holy and the other, which is the sinful ( the devil). God said that His children will hear His voice when He call them. If we can not hear from God, then the devil is keeping us busy so that time is wasted because he is determine to destroy many.

Betty, that was a good reminder about God's requirements for our behaviour on Earth: how we live our lives & how we treat others. But you mention "holy ones". It seems that you've defined them as people with good clean lifestyles & love for everyone, and it is these that God lets into Heaven. Am I correct with your understanding or have I missed something there? In my years of treading about on this Earth, I've seen so many good upright people who've dedicated their lives to the help of others, to the point of being fine examples of what Jesus taught, but yet, are not followers of Christ nor have faith in Him. Could you clarify this? Is your definition of "holy ones" limited to your explanation here, or is there more to its meaning?

Betty, that was a good reminder about God's requirements for our behaviour on Earth: how we live our lives & how we treat others. But you mention "holy ones". It seems that you've defined them as people with good clean lifestyles & love for everyone, and it is these that God lets into Heaven. Am I correct with your understanding or have I missed something there? In my years of treading about on this Earth, I've seen so many good upright people who've dedicated their lives to the help of others, to the point of being fine examples of what Jesus taught, but yet, are not followers of Christ nor have faith in Him. Could you clarify this? Is your definition of "holy ones" limited to your explanation here, or this there more to its meaning?

( 19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

(20) That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

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Verses 19 & 20 goes hand and in hand which means, If we choose to live in sin ( having sex before marriage, marry a woman or man who has already been married, lusting for someone or thing, lies, deceitful, murderers, worship idols such as necklace crosses, portraits, lust

gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride ) we will soon be under God's wrath. When things starts happening to us that's not so pleasant; we need to think about the the life style that we live and how we are by others. If you can't love everyone here on earth, God is not letting you go to heaven because God is not letting that type of spirit come there. Why do do think that the devil spirit roams about this earth and beneath the sea? He was kicked out of heaven thinking he can over take God throne. The devil fail to understand that God knows him inside and out; just as he knows us. God said that He wants only holy ones in heaven not a people that loves one and hate the other. We must be kind and have a heart to give to the poor. God said the poor will be with us always; this means that there will always be a chance for you to walk up to someone to offer them help of some kinds such as buy them food, offer to buy them clothes, offer to give them a job, offer them to come to your home to eat at your table, or offer them a gift card to help with their necessities . There is a book of life on everyone of us, so please , to all of you, Be mindful to what you say. God made All. We are All One!

Neil,

Are you referring to James 1:8? If so, it says "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

Double-minded can also be translated double-psyche. What this is telling me is that I can ask the Lord for wisdom ( James 1:5), but I have to understand that wisdom is gained through enduring trials by faith. And so when he says if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask from God, we have to be careful. If I say "I would really like to have God's wisdom," okay, but I'm going to have to go through a lot of trials.

My personal definition of wisdom, and it's the word Sophos by the way, but my personal definition that actually summarizes its application in the New Testament is that wisdom is seeing life as God sees life. It's like looking through His eyes!

1 Corinthians 2:16 plays a big role in this, that we have been given the mind of Christ. The word mind is the word Nous, which means perceptive. By His Spirit, we can perceive God and His working in our circumstances. That's wisdom, seeing life as God sees life. Now how am I going to do that? By experiencing Him, and by enduring and totally trusting the Lord Jesus Christ!

So I can ask the Lord for wisdom and then freak out as soon as He starts putting me in tough circumstances. My emotions would be flying all over the place. I'd be calling all my friends asking what I should do. It could lead to panic and anxiety.

We have to understand that we ask and we enter into trials in order to endure through them by trusting the Lord. But we have problems with that sometimes. It's like I know I should be trusting the Lord and I know what the bible says, but look what I'm going through, and it's a big mess. That is an unstable person, a double-minded man, that can't be ready to ask for wisdom. They've got to learn to endure their trials first.

LET US discuss the Falling Away of the Church.

Discuss what is the 2ND DEATH?

If you read a little wider, people can produce spiritual children. Search 'spirit of adoption'.

Psalm 27:10, When my father and mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.

Romans 8:15. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage, again, to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, ABBA FATHER. God becomes your Daddy, and your mother.

If you need a hug, lift your arms and receive it. He's not mean, too busy, Absent; He has his eye on you.

A lot of people don't preach this. America has often let the kids raise themselves. Facebook isn't going to nurture you with love and acceptance. Father God, brother Jesus, comforter Holy Spirit, WILL love you. Give your tragic life to them, and take into yourself, all the love you ever dreamed about.

If you're single; no prospects in view yet... consider "adopting" some real kids, in a friendly way (not literal). Give a ride to Church, a students study Bible. Organize a movie night at the youth hall at church.

Well we gotta keep them coronavirus safe. Little things mean a lot. It's called ministry.

Explain the Bible term

Double minded

How do we become Dm?

If seeds have only natural power to reproduce, and not supernatural, how can all the singles out there produce anything if they have no children? Offspring is not the only way to interpret seed

Our faith in Christ and Christ alone, and it's by His grace we are saved, but we must also be careful we don't take Scriptures out of context.

2 Cor 13:1-6 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

13:2 I told you before, and foretell you as if I were present the second time, and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.

13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

There is no doubt, words have power, but we're still finite beings, made in the image of the infinite Almighty God, that was my point.

Creation involves two types of seed....natural and spiritual...and each seed reproduces after its own kind...spiritual seeds reproduce in the spiritual realm, via faith....faith in what?

The word of God says, faith in the truth!

" confess" in Greek means to agree with another..

Check any concordance to verify this.

When Creation took place, God buried a lot of principles in what was created..ie laws like gravity,and others in physics, math, biology, etc, based on the principle " in the mouths of 2or3 witnesses every word is established

2Cor13:1

So if we agree with Him,we establish truth!

Jesus calmed the storm,and said to them " how is it you have no faith", implying that the disciples had the power to calm the storm. I've read scripture every day for 44 years( a miracle not done by me)

We've been translated out of the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of His son...implying we are in Jesus kingdom now!...wow!Do Christians believe that? No darkness in His kingdom!Col1:13

Our confession-agreement gives us power....but we need to believe.

I saw my son split an oncoming storm by declaring agreement with the Word...and I did the same in another place, another time

"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit" Prov 15:4

Tree of life speaks of Jesus...what happens if we agree with Him? Do we establish "We haven't been given a spirit of fear,but of power, love and a sound mind" 2Tim 1:7

I rest my case!............ Neil

Neil on Deuteronomy 30

Re " thou and thy seed"

Hi Neil,

Not so,

God is the only one that has the power to create, we are but dust, ( Psalms 103:14-15). It's true, in Genesis 1, God spoke, and divided the firmaments, then He created man in His own image, to have fellowship with him ( 1 Corinthians 1:9), not to be petty gods.

According to Biblegateway

The two types of predominate seeds are for food/plants and natural/human/generational, though God still speak through His people today, it's Him who speaks through us, because we have no power or capability in ourselves.

Re " thou and thy seed"

We are created in the image of God, and HIS WORD IS HIS SEED.....SO OUR WORD CAN BE OUR SEED as well as our

offspring....so to speak God's Word gives us power...." we haven't been given a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind".... 2Tim 1:7...and every seed reproduces after its own kind....and the Word speaks volumes about our lips, tongue, mouth ,...etc

What was Virgin Mary's seed....I think it was the words of her mouth

" Be it unto me according to thy word".....which is summarized when we agree with God's Word by saying..." AMEN"

Our seed can be interpreted 2ways....depending on context

verse 1-20, again, we hear both the -blessing and curse of GOD- pronounced to a nation. We of 2019, though adopted through JESUS are descendant, thereby are bound by that day. Notice the eye-witness who recorded that day, see verse 19.

Linda, to answer your question: What does it mean "thou and thy seed"? It means you and your descendants, children, grandchildren, etc.

What does it mean "thou and thy seed".

Salvation is as close to us as though the word of faith released with our mouth and confess the Lord Jesus Christ Lord of all that we are.

It's a chapter full of blessings and curses depending on what you choose .

Deuteronomy 30:12
I think Jesus is the one who brings us to heaven .We have to love our Lord.
Alex

Choice and obedience are key determinants of what one becomes in the kingdom. Choosing blessings makes one great in the kingdom.

For he is thy life. Thank you Lord that I can say this with full assurance

The Lord is ever unshaken in His directive to us as contained in the first two Commandments- to love Him with all our heart. Deuteronomy 30: 20 reminds us again: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days.

Our destinies are not set. God allows us to make our own choices. If we come to know him through his son Jesus the Christ, in all we do, we will make the right choices in our daily life's which will be pleasing unto him. Although God knows in advance what decisions we will make he does give us the freedom of choice and to have a free will and does not interfere.

Verses 11 through 14 show that God's commandments are not too high or too difficult for us to reach and obey.

It does mean that along with us, our line "MAY" accept the Lord, as it says. We will teach them of Him. They will have free choice, of course.

I believe that it is very applicable to the people of God today, just as it was to the people of Israel then. We need to follow the leading of the Word and the Holy Spirit. We must choose life, which comes in Christ Jesus, not doctrine.

God is longing to be good to us, He is a good Shepherd that always lay down his life for us all we do is to believe him only and obey his words for He is our life and our SAVIOR he is good God all the time thanks for your blood Lord amen

verse 19 admonishes us which choice to make, 'choose life that both you and your seed shall live '

It is apparent from this verse that our knowledge of evil comes from. God and not satan.

Not making a choice is a choice in itself.