Discuss 1 Kings 14

  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Witnessing today in today's culture: Introduction

    Today people are often identified by their political affiliation or the community that they identify as "politically correct". In reality this often makes a particular sin the sum of their identity (such as those in the pro choice or same sex attraction crowd.) We don't see such titles given for individuals committing such activities in scripture; where infanticide was performed by those who would identify as idol worshippers (Molech worshippers for example); or sodomites would often be classified by their social status as to who was the perpetrator and who was the victim of such atrocities in the time of Christ. 1 Kings 14:24 talks in general about sodomites and the abominations that they were involved with; and it seems that they did live in the same area as we see with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah thousands of years before Christ.

    We need to take heart; as we see in the story of Jonah that even the most wicked people can repent. Today it seems mainly with individuals who are "detransitioning" for instance that the Lord indeed can change people; and when we see legislation against preaching such truths those who used to live that lifestyle of course are most affected. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 identifies those now sanctified as believers who used to live sinful lifestyles. While it is true that there are particular sins; such as shedding of innocent blood that God particularly hates ( Proverbs 6:16-19); all sin leads to death. Clearly at this point the world doesn't celebrate someone who identifies themselves as a thief; extortioner; murderer and some other things but we should expect that it will once we get to the Tribulation or perhaps sooner when "anyone who kills you will think that they are doing God a favor." ( John 16:2).

    We need also to get beyond the stereotypes the world is giving us of those in the LGBTQ+. Some are conservatives and some liberal politically for instance. More later.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Leviticus 21:13 makes it clear about the penalties for such behaviors in O.T. times. Deuteronomy 23:17 and other verses such as 1 Kings 14:24 show the cult practices involved either prostitutes or sodomites involved in worshipping of demonic gods and the associated rituals.

    It has been said that such practices were also done with children and/or slaves in ancient Rome. It has also been stated that the verses about "like the time of Lot" may have referred to same sex marriages at the time.

    The intentions of the heart are addressed in scriptures with sins such as adultery and violence (or thoughts of murder) against a brother. It is the mind where all sins begin. God's design is not just a physical one but spiritual as well; making two come together as one is only possible with a man and a woman; and is only approved by God by the covenant made in a marriage vow. Without such things; one becomes one flesh with someone but without the Lord having established the union; basically Satan has become the one in charge.

    The whole cultural and lifestyle part of living in relationships not heterosexual is something apparently that was missing with such deviancy in ancient times. It was a sick cultural caste system sort of mentality where someone was the perpetrator and another a victim (that is the best I can put it here).

    One of the most encouraging things to go is to see (especially on You Tube) the MANY testimonies of those who used to live that kind of lifestyle who have come to Christ. Becket Cook is one such example; who has interviewed others; including Rosanna Butterfield who was patiently discipled by a former Pastor of mine (Ken Smith) over 2 years time who is now married with 4 kids. There is much more to her story besides her past lifestyle-I highly recommend that you read her book "an unlikely convert" (can't recall the full title). God can and will give a close bond of friendship that is Agape love that is in no way sensual like others.
  • S Spencer. - In Reply on 1 Kings 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Richard.

    You are welcome. I hope all is well.

    I have been following on with your through the bible and it has been a blessing and very important.

    I'm sure others think so as well. You have to know something about the Old Testament to understand the New Testament.

    You are giving us an indebt study we definitely need.

    Please continue the great work and may the Lord bless you in all your efforts.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on 1 Kings 14 - 2 years ago
    Thanks. Really need encouragement today.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 1 Kings 14 - 2 years ago
    Good read Richard.

    God bless you and what you do.
  • Richard H Priday on 1 Kings 14 - 2 years ago
    These are very serious matters. The first section v. 1-18 show Jeroboam's wife entreated for her husband's sake about their son. The only conciliation here was that "some good" was found in the son and he would be mourned and buried. He was a child; so this shows some age of accountability aspect in God judging sins; and that grace appears evident here for salvation much as it was for David's baby from Bathsheeba who David stated that he would see again in previous passages.

    The rest of the appalling future of his descendants were indicated in the following verses where it summarizes that they are mentioned in Chronicles.

    The rest of the chapter shows about Rehoboam show a similar troubled future; and that there was a war between him and Jeraboam "all their days" (v. 30). Once again; we see the destructive effects of worshipping false God's which began with Solomon and how it not only messed up his future; but that of future generations. Solomon; it appears through Ecclesiastes finally learned the bitter lessons of folly; and having too much wealth and other vices. Fear God and keep His commandments ended that book; unfortunately Jaroboam didn't follow God faithfully during any of his time when ruling and neither did Rehoboam either. Only supernatural ears can truly HEAR His voice; and the god of this world blinds all who disregard the warnings and think that they know better.
  • Gemfire on 1 Kings 14 - 2 years ago
    The important point to me after reading this chapter comes from the MH commentary:

    "Those who by sin disqualify themselves for comfort, yet expect that their ministers, because they are good men, should speak peace and comfort to them, greatly wrong themselves and their ministers. "

    Oh how often have I, and many I have seen, pray for good tidings or specific wishes, when I should have been praying for more wisdom too see my sins in a clearer light!

    -mbr
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Kings 11 - 3 years ago
    Hi Arlene. Yes he was; he took over from his father, Solomon. You can see it in 1 Kings 14:21, but his name comes up from chapter 12, if you want to read the whole account.

    The Kingdom was unified until now (under David & then Solomon). Then Jeroboam, son of Nebat, came up from Egypt & understood that Rehoboam would deal with Israel more harshly than previously experienced (you can read the story there), so then there was a split in the Kingdom - some going with Rehoboam (Judah) & others following Jeroboam (Israel). So Rehoboam became king in Judah & Jeroboam became king in Israel. And there were a succession of kings after them, the two kingdoms always divided, until their respective captivities to Babylon (Judah) & Assyria (Israel) as a result of their many sins, especially idolatry. Just a brief outline to whet your further reading in this interesting period of the kings.
  • D W L - In Reply on 1 Kings 14 - 4 years ago
    2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

    John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink

    Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
  • Carolyn - In Reply on 1 Kings 14:15 - 4 years ago
    Awesome thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Kings 14:15 - 4 years ago
    Carolyn: 1 Kings 14 refers to Israel's first king, Jeroboam, after Israel was divided into two kingdoms: Judah & Israel. Now Jeroboam was a wicked king (reigned for 22 years), as were most of the kings of Israel (unlike the kings of Judah, who were generally God-fearing). One day Jeroboam's son, Abijah fell sick and Jeroboam's wife was sent by the king to visit Ahijah a prophet to learn the fate of their son. But rather than dealing with the son, the prophet said to tell the king some even sadder news. He recounted the evils of the king (vv 7-16). So part of that prophecy was the fate of Israel because of the king's wickedness: it would be distressed, rooted up from the land & scattered beyond the Jordan River, because they have angered the LORD with their idol worship as well. And we know, that eventually Israel was sent into captivity to Assyria, after another series of bad kings. There's no deeper meaning in that verse, except to remind his people to love & serve the LORD faithfully.
  • Carolyn on 1 Kings 14:15 - 4 years ago
    What is in depth meaning of

    1 Kings 14:15?
  • Sunday Oladimeji on 1 Kings 14 - 5 years ago
    The antidote of evil not to befall us as individuals and nations is to follow God as revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ verses 7-10 .
  • Myra Clines on 1 Kings 14 - 6 years ago
    It was clearly stated that the baby was good, but obviously the seed from there or after him was or would be corrupt, so the bloodline or that branch was ended there. God in His merciful wisdom showe Jeroboam love.
  • Sandy on 1 Kings 14 - 7 years ago
    RALPH M. WATERS I believe all babies and Children are innocent, Jesus says to come to him as children. That tells me that Jesus wants us all to be as innocent as a child they don't know evil they are very forgiving, loving, humble, and honest. I believe an aborted, or abused child's souls go to heaven before they are abused or aborted. And We all have to answer to God in the end.
  • Irene123 on 1 Kings 14 - 7 years ago
    God does not 'take' anyone. He gave the human race FREE WILL - to chose Him or satan. Abortion is a free will choice of the mother, not God; the soul of the child goes to God - forever. We all have a time to die; only God knows when. That is why we must repent, be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS, and receive the Holy Ghost while it is yet 'day'; while GRACE reigns.
  • Henry harris on 1 Kings 14:10 - 9 years ago
    not understanding what is mean by pisseth against the wall will love a clear meaning
  • John on 1 Kings 14:24 - 10 years ago
    It was true when 1 Kings was written and it is true today and will be true forever It is God s word
  • RALPH M. WATERS on 1 Kings 14 - 12 years ago
    THE ONE THINK THAT STRIKES ME IN THIS CHAPTER, IS VERSES 12 & 13. A FEW MONTHS BACK I SPOKE ON "ABORTION", SOME ASKED WHY WOULD GOD TAKE A CHILD, WHO DID NO GOOD OR EVIL. I EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW GOD KNOWS US FROM THE VERY WOMB, WHETHER WE WILL BE GOOD OR EVIL, WHETHER WE WILL BE RAISED IN THE LATTER DAYS TO GLORIFICATION OR DAMNATION. ACTUALLY, LIVING, IS JUST A PROCESS, GOD ALERADY, KNOWS WHO BELONG TO HIM.


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