Discuss 1 Samuel 16

God and meeting our needs.

Ephesians 5:31 and 32 say: For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.

In an earthly marriage relationship when two people are committed to meeting the needs of another and Christ ISN'T depended on for that connection one or both parties often get bored with one another. This of course is largely because man sees the outward appearance and God sees the heart ( 1 Samuel 16:7). When we see with SPIRITUAL eyes we learn to recognize the inner beauty when the outward appearance may be unattractive. These truths should be a factor we consider before marriage. It is possible early on that we are so consumed with external beauty that the inner soul of a believer isn't seen either OR it turns out that is what was really behind the attraction in the first place which of course should work out in the long run.

In any event; any lack of love we feel for the Lord of course is our fault. Facing our own helpless state SHOULD be an encouragement; we never enjoy it but realize how valuable salvation is to a worm such as us. This is; of course the difference between a suicidal individual and one who can finally let the Lord take our life and transform it. He does the surgery; as it were; He did it with Adam in the garden to change him; perhaps in the same way the "two edged" sword of the Spirit removes something and replaces it with something else ( Heb. 4:12). Just thought of that one BTW...

Psalm 103 is very encouraging. Verse 9 states He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. Other parts of the Psalm show how man is dust and He understands. Isaiah 54:8 in the final prophetic meaning relates to Israel in the Tribulation but we an all find solace. It reads With a little wrath I hid My face from you for a moment; But with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you,"

Yes humans glorify each other. but this glory may be different from the way

God in heaven Sees. 1 Samuel 16:7

Jesus who was chosen by Jehovah- psalm 83:18

Who is the one Chosen by God to bring salvation- John 3:16,17

never glorified himself. Matthew 22:36,37 but with the glory

and honor and title God gave to him, he spoke. John 5:19

Matthew 23:8-12; LUKE 1:28-33; Isaiah 9:6,7

Thank you for what you've shared Henry. Ordinarily, I could agree that God cannot use evil in any of its forms to accomplish His Will - that Satan alone is the instigator of everything evil & our problems emanate from our fallen state & our listening to him; but what then do we do with the Scriptures that tell us of God sending out an evil spirit, or even of Job, where God gave Satan permission to do whatever he wanted with Job except to touch his life?

How do we then understand: "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him" ( 1 Samuel 16:14), or when "the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart" ( Exodus 10:27), which ensured that further plagues would come upon the people, ultimately bringing on the deaths of their firstborn? Can we, from this point in history, look back at what took place when God's Hand moved upon people, & confidently state the modus operandi of God? From our present view, we can say that nothing evil, even the smell of it, can emanate from God, but what we might consider as evil is something that God has control over, which we may know little or nothing about.

What could have gone on in Job's mind I wonder, as he always walked carefully before God, "perfect and upright, one that feared God, and eschewed evil", and then faced tragedy after tragedy? The caliber of the man was clear; when in spite of his losses, he still 'fell onto his face & worshipped God'; yet he never received an answer to his many afflictions, but had to accept the sovereignty of God in every situation, even accepting Satan's strikes against him.

Even our Lord suffered & died by the hands of wicked men, filled & controlled by evil spirits that made them & Satan believe that victory was theirs by ridding this One from their midst. With the many other references in the Bible, I can only conclude that I yet don't have an understanding of God's Ways, both in sending forth an evil spirit, allowing it to work & fulfilling His Will.

Hi Delilah. I understand what you're saying & it does seem that way in the Old Testament. My understanding is that there are various sorts of evil spirits, whether in their powers or purposes, being directed upon man. In 1 Samuel 16:14-23, we see an instance of Saul being troubled by an evil spirit. We don't know whether that was confined to just a mental turmoil or whether there was any other manifestation of it. But after David played upon his harp, the evil spirit departed, indicating that this spirit that was directed from the LORD upon Saul was limited in its power. Also we have other instances of this, as in Judges 9:23 (an evil spirit sent by God to foster hatred by the men of Shechem to Abimelech). So, it appears that evil spirits were active in those days also, though how they were manifested & the extent of their work in different lives, can vary.

Then also today, the work of evil spirits still goes on, but limited by God to what they can actually do, as seen in the example of Job. And those who have mental illness does not necessarily equate to demonic possession, though other spiritual influences (of oppression or possession) cannot be ruled out either. And then the matter about whether God has control over such spirits to do His bidding, or whether what we read in the Bible is God granting permission to them giving them varied amounts of access & control in certain lives for a specific purpose. Maybe, a question that cannot be easily answered, for want of more information.

Dear Edward

Briefly speaking the oil always symbolizes the Holly Spirit

Lets see in the OT a prophesy about our Lord

Psalms 45:6-7

"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

The oil of gladness is the HS

Again in the OT the prophets anointed Kings with oil. It again symbolized the Holly Spirit

1 Samuel 16:13

"Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah."

Also in the NT Paul asks anyone who is ill to come to the elders of the church and put oil on him to be healed.

James 5:14

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord"

The oil again here symbolizes the Holly Spirit. It is Him who heals.

So we see that a general symbol for the HS in the Bible is the oil.

One of the most important things to know about anointing oil is that there is no power in the oil itself, but that the power is bestowed by GOD, and its intent is for HIS plans and purposes.

The oil is merely a natural substance that goes through a process of transformation into a Spiritual tool, using prayer to sanctify, consecrate, set it apart and make it holy unto GOD.

The Bible teaches us that the SPIRIT steps in during the act of anointing with oil, establishing GOD's objectives in a powerful way. Straight after Samuel anoints David as future king, 1 Samuel 16:13 tells us that "the SPIRIT of the LORD came mightily upon David from that day."JESUS himself describes it as such in Luke 4 verse 18: "The SPIRIT of the LORD is upon ME, because HE has anointed ME to preach the gospel to the poor.

Anointing with oil is an act of consecration, a setting apart of people, places and things for God's special purposes, making them Holy unto the Lord."Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. ( James 5:14)

Healing in conjunction with the application of anointing oil was also a directive from JESUS to HIS disciples in Mark 6 and a Spiritual weapon handed down to members of the early churches. While this custom was absent from the church for centuries, we are witnessing its comeback in modern times, with many testimonies of miraculous healing confirming that anointing oil, applied in faith, is symbolic of GOD's ability to deliver us from the claws of sin and disease.

Anointing as a sign of GOD's blessing was a regular occurrence in Biblical times, and as believers today, we don't need to limit ourselves in terms of when we may or should use anointing oil. When JESUS died for our sins the temple veil tore, granting anyone who does so in HIS NAME unlimited, unrestrained access to GOD. Being in the presence of the ALMIGHTY is what HE longs for and what we need most in this world.

Acts 13:22

I used to believe it was because of the Psalms; David was honest before the LORD.

1 Samuel 16:13,19-22, though anointed, waited for appointed time,

1 Samuel 16:23, made evil spirits depart,

1 Samuel 17:13-15, David went back in obedience to serve family.

1 Samuel 17:17-22, Continued obedience of Parent,

1 Samuel 17:28, Not believed in by family members,

1 Samuel 17:45-47, love & zeal for Israel,

1 Samuel 17:39,48,50, risked his life for Israel,

These are a few I found. Hope these help.

The Holy Spirit did exist & manifest itself in people prior. Genesis 1:2, Genesis 6:3, Genesis 41:38, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:3, Judges 11:29, 1 Samuel 11:6-7, 1 Samuel 16:13, 2 Kings 2:9,

1 Samuel 16:14, 1 Samuel 19:20,

There are more references. Here are some more study references. Hope this helps.

appears to be different in the manifestation unto many people at the same time with many events occurring.

Also people being able to transfer the HOLY Spirit to another seems to appear after CHRIST was resurrected from death & the grave. Acts 1, Acts 9:17,31, Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15,16, Acts 13:52, Acts 19:1-11,

Ephesians 5:9, Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:1,

Please read the WORD of GOD,

Hello Shiela In 1 Samuel 16:13 is when the spirit of the Lord came upon David and almost every time David

got into different situations with unbelievers he would inquire of God either what to do or will we win. In 1 Samuel

23 :verses 2-4-11-12 that's just in this record. That's I one characteristics of a great spiritual leader always

asking God what to do or can I do this with your help and then being thankful and giving credit to God. Although he blew it with bathsheba God still called Him a man after his own heart. Incredible when you think about it Gods Grace

Psalm 51:1-11 Tells you David understood the gravity in what he did, verse 11 Cast me not away from thy presence

and TAKE NOT THY HOLY SPIRIT FROM ME. Thank God we never have to utter these words because of Jesus Christ!

I was trying to find where Samuel anointed David. I looked under topics and words. It was not under David and anointed;ing; etc. Found it though in my bible when I got to it. It is under 1 Samuel 16:1-13. Can you please listed under these and other topics that match. Thanks!

God Bless.

Hello Victor First answer 1 Samuel 16:1-13 son of Jesse when he was anointed as with other men called out by prophets the spirit of God notice it doesn't say in, you could lose the spirit if you disobeyed God in the old testament [ David when he blew it with bathsheba begged God not to take His spirit from Him] which he did in chapter 15:7-28 the end result being chapter 16:14. From that point on Saul was spiritually blind as a bat and going further and further insane. That's why one moment he praised David and next moment he wanted Him dead. He was becoming jealous and terrified of David because he knew God backed Him.

I believe you're talking about, Acts 4:31

I think of scriptures relative: 1 Samuel 10:6 , 1 Samuel 16:14 , To get to know more about Saul's beginning & calling from the LORD please read 1 Samuel 9-10 , (chapters 9 & 10)

Hopefully this helps

Explain verse 23 thanks

A prayer for myself, This is spiritual warfare, and character assassination The super his friends the Women/Bullies/Sadist in my building devised a bunch of lies by being deceitful and spreading the vicious lies all through the whole neighborhood to bring me harm and or death to me . I didn't do anything to them . My husband also betrayed me, I pray that God will intervene and step in and soften their heart, change their minds, open their eyes to that they are lying. stop them in their tracks God expose them in Jesus name.

Good day all my brothers and sisters in the Lord,

Maybe this can be the new thread about Salvation. I guess the question being "if you can lose your Salvation". I very much enjoyed reading your five page comments on this Jesse. Which I do agree with also. As others brothers say Michael and Adam noting mainly I'd say about our free will. Which is true as God gave us the choice to choose our paths. As I also agree with your views.

I've been wanting to put my perception of this as I've seen the discussions. How I want to show my view of this is in the eyes of the Lord. Seeing that God knows everything. He knows the end before the beginning. He knows exactly who is going to be faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end. There is no confusion or "what if's" in the Lord. So as it seems some may be saved today that may change in their destiny. Also as some are non-believers today may become the strongest Saint tomorrow.

The Lord knows His sheep as He searches hearts and knows us all. 1 Samuel 16:7.

Hopefully my comment may bring peace as weather we think it to be one way or the other. Those with a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end. 2 Timothy 2:19.

God Bless.

( 1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Psalms 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Revelation 2:22-23 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am He which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And how did I find my wife 26 years ago? The same! Held hands the first time as we were married, she did though give me a haircut about three days before in her parent's kitchen (under supervision of course). :)

TJ,

Although we can't know for sure, according to how the circumstances unfold, we can see and acknowledge God's Providential Hand.

How did Abraham's servant find Rebekah so quickly? How did Jacob find Rachel so quickly? How did the Pharaoh find out about Joseph at just the right time? How did Moses get raised in Pharaoh's household? And on and on...

God's Providential Hand. It is all leading to the coming Messiah, redemption for mankind, the Glory of God.

Hi TJ,

1 Samuel 16:18 (KJV) Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold,

I HAVE SEEN a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.

I believe your answer is in vs 16.

How did the servant know all of this?

I think God was showing saul that Good could still over come evil. The same as if He hadn't disobeyed God he could have been playing beautifully in the eyes of God as well.And Saul loved David at that time as he had once loved God who was good to him.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you:

1 Samuel 28 &

1 Samuel 16:23

And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1 Samuel 18:10

And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1 Samuel 16:15

And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 19:20

And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.

1 Samuel 11:6

And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his ANGER was kindled greatly.

1 Samuel 28:7

Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

Acts 19:15

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

>>Most of Sauls problems were of pride. The people wanted a King and God gave them what they wanted; which was for someone else to be a go-between so they didn't have to speak to God.

Rebellion is AS the sin of witchcraft. Saul sought out witches.

The day he "died" he prohibited the customary sacrifice to God for victory in Battle; and told the soldiers He would be their sacrifice! Saul and his 2 sons all died.

I am aware of Saul and seeking a familar spirit (witch). My question was since GOD was upset with Saul due to his unfaithfulness by seeking answers from a witch instead of his divine direction did God send a mean spirit that was within his own emotions and unrest and aniexty to him? The scriptures tell us when David played the Harp for him the spirit went away. I just believe some people will misunderstand the narrative. God did not send an "evil spirit" such as a demonic spirit. Thanks for the response.

1 Samuel 28:7

Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

Mishael> Saul was consulting with the witch at Endor, instead of consulting with God. God rejected Saul for it; Sent Samuel to tell him that.

It's a good story to read. Reading horoscopes is an abomination also. Search on the word 'witches' and it will fetch all those verses.

Since God sent an "evil spirit" upon Saul does that mean that Saul acquired a mean spirit within himself. In other words he became rude, anxious??

Hello, there's nothing in the Bible saying to not use a musical instrument, but it does say the opposite. David played the harp: 1 Samuel 16:23

Psalm 150:3-4 - Says to worship with trumpet, harp, psalms, timbrell, stringed instruments, organ.

Instruments will be in heaven too- harps. Rev 15:2-3

It says worship in spirit and truth: John 4:23.

Playing an instrument is like serving and sometimes is hard to focus on worshipping God. But the same thing can happen if you're the leader singing, or if you're in audience reading notes or spacing out. So, I think there's a case for each where we need to make sure its done in spirit and truth and done to glorify God, not ourselves or some other purpose. God bless...

Life is not to surpass others, but to surpass oneself

I am truly amazed at the divine power that God gave to David. Remember 1 Samuel 16:7 states that Goliah's spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron. David is just a lad and Goliah's spear is awful heavy, too heavy for David. Yet, David used Goliah's spear to cut off his head. Has anyone thought of this! It had to have been the power of God to give David the strength to even lift the spear. What an awesome God we serve. There is nothing to difficult for Him. Hallelujah!

Larry: I think the question was " how many brothers did David have" and not "how many sons did Jesse have". Jesse had eight sons: David and his seven brothers.

7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. (the heart, the heart, the heart,... WOW! WOW! WOW!)