Discuss 1 Samuel 17

  • One eighty - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Blessings Jimbob,

    To clarify something, I have also a King James Bible which I use.

    To get the point of answering your questions: My KJV says in 1 Samuel 17:49, "And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth." The word "it" has a different font, meaning, I think, it was added for easier understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    The KJV on this site is identical.

    The NIV I have says, "As the Philistine moved closer to attack him, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell face down on the ground.

    I don't see anything so far that causes any confusion to the meaning as to what occurred here. David slew Goliath.

    My KJV in 2 Samuel 21:19 "And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaerogim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. The words "the brother of" are also in a different font, as to give indication they were added for clarification. Also the word "was", referring to the spear has a different font.

    The KJV on this site is identical.

    The NIV says, "In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gitite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod.

    So yes, there is some confusion here. But the "corrupt" NIV text note and footnote appears to clean it up.

    I'll send it on another page.

    Peace
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    God's plan for the nations: Belief in the true God; Israel as focus of God's plan

    Genesis 14:18-20 state: 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    The details of the aftermath of a battle with a foreign king where Lot was rescued from captivity aren't the focus in this post; but Melchizedek apparently blessed Abraham; but Abraham gave HIM a tithe (one thenth) of what he had. Hebrews mentions Melchizedek as a type of Christ; he was Gentile of unknown ancestry but apparently a great man of God for Abraham to offer him tithes. It shows that true worship of God was indeed with other nations at least with this individual BEFORE the sacrificial system began in Israel.

    God Himself says that He chose Israel (see Deut. 7:6-8). These verses explain the covenant promises and that Israel was not some great nation that would be expected to have God's blessings. His purposes are in all things. God called Abraham from the land of Ur of the Chaldees to travel to the area which would eventually be for his descendants as an inheritance in the Promised Land. ( Genesis 12). Genesis 15:10 shows the actual covenant; which occured when Abram (to be called Abraham afterwards) was in a deep sleep; reminding of us of Adam in a deep sleep. God would be patient with the nations until their iniquity was to the full; then those surrounding nations to Israel's inheritance would be conquered ( Gen. 15:16).

    We see how nations would be judged once sin was to the full such as Sodom and Gomorrah; then later Nineveh. The final giant offspring of the Nephilim would be destroyed when Goliath was killed by David ( 1 Samuel 17:50). The flood would destroy many of these offspring; the rest later on ( Gen. 6:4
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    I typed in forgiveness in the search and clicked around. This page has some powerful verses, like forgive others for yourself to be forgiven.

    Link
  • Duncan on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FORGIVENSS FROM GOD?

    if you are looking for repentance you need to believe in the lord Jesus Christ

    Acts 16:25-40

    30 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household
  • Jeffrey foley on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    where can i find forgiveness
  • Henry - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    BSP. David at that time of his life was a young man already God was

    At work in him preparing him to rule his God's people. Everybody in the battle

    Against Goliath had fear except David because he was walking with a pure

    And simple heart. When he was staring Down Goliath and being cursed by

    Him he said I come in the name of the Living God not even giving an ounce

    Of thought what the outcome would be. We should walk in that kind of heart

    And commitment.
  • BSP on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Verse 28-Eliab became angry with David and accused him of having bad intentions, but David didn't respond harshly or run away but instead he courageously stood up and fought Goliath.
  • PSALM 23 The Lord our Shepherd - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Psalm 23:4, addressing the Lord Shepherd, says, "Your rod and your staff, they comfort me." David bases this description on the practices of shepherds in his day. Shepherds of the time commonly carried a rod and staff as essential to their work.

    The rod mentioned in Psalm 23 is a symbol of the Lord's strength and protection. The rod was a sturdy wooden stick used as a weapon to fight off wild animals who might have hoped to make an easy meal out of an otherwise defenseless flock of sheep. The shepherd also used the rod to help him keep count of the sheep within the flock (as alluded to in Leviticus 27:32). Young David recounted an incident to King Saul in which he probably used his shepherd's rod: "Your servant has been keeping his father's sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it" ( 1 Samuel 17:34-35).

    The staff mentioned in Psalm 23 is a symbol of the Lord's guidance and lovingkindness. The staff was a long, slender stick, often hooked at the tip, used primarily to direct the flock. Sheep are notorious wanderers, and once away from the shepherd's watchful eye, they get into all sorts of trouble ( Matthew 18:12-14). The shepherd used his staff to keep his sheep out of danger and close to himself. If a sheep became trapped in a precarious position, the shepherd would loop the curved end of the staff around the neck of the sheep and retrieve it back to safety.

    Now read Psalm 23 again. Guidance, protection and correction. If you feel an occasional TUG by the Spirit, that is your Lord correcting your course.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Slue. According to the Hebrew, the word given for 1 Samuel 1:1, is 'Ephrathi'. So the KJV is correct is stating Ephrathite. 'Ephrathi' is the word used for a descendant of Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons), but is now an inhabitant of Ephrath. These people were called Ephrathites.

    Now, Ephrath is a word sometimes connected to Bethlehem ( Micah 5:2 (prophecy of our Lord's Birthplace); Ruth 1:2; 1 Samuel 17:12), as Ephrath was a nearby city to Bethlehem. Some believe that Ephrath was an ancient Canaanite name & Bethlehem was the Jewish name.
  • Free - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Dear "Horace Anderson". Must start with the last first :). We are washed clean: Luke 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.

    8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

    9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?

    10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.

    11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

    12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.

    13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

    14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

    15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

    16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

    17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

    18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

    19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

    20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

    In v 20 we get answers. When we get to Heaven, God's Light will Shine on us. In that light, no sin can manage to be in that :).

    Revelation chapter 22

    Thank you Jesus for your great patience with us, Your Beloved. Soon You are here and we will come to You. Stay blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ, love u all. John chapter 11 and 12
  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Horace,

    Chris has given you a very good reply which reminded me that Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:35-58-that when we are resurrected we will be changed, as he explains the difference between our mortal, corrupted bodies in this life and the immortal, incorruptible bodies we will receive when resurrected. So, I suggest that you read this section.

    I wish I knew the answer to how we will cease from sinning in eternity. But I think it does have something to do with our union with Jesus Christ and the total restoration of the image and likeness of God in us through our Savior who possesses the perfect image and likeness of God in his humanity (a humanity which He still possesses with His divine nature in heaven). I think the Holy Spirit will totally sanctify us in this eternal state and maintain this holiness in us as He forever dwell within us.

    We will possess this holiness in a similar way that the angels who did not rebel are holy and sinless. They were able to sin in that rebellion, but did not. Perhaps God then made them unable to ever sin after their rejection of rebellion. That may be true for us as well.

    But the Bible does not give us a clear narrative on this as to "how", just that we will be incorruptible, pure, holy, and sinless for all of eternity when we are resurrected. That is a wonderful thing to ponder! But that is part of the wonderfulness of our salvation-not only are we saved from the sins we have committed, but we will glorified in such a way that we will forever obey and worship God in Spirit and in Truth.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    These are indeed good questions, Horace. To the first one, I can't discern a clear biblical answer to give you, as we have verses that show us that even holy angels of God have in the past rebelled against Him, sinned & banished from His Presence. But I sense that, in Heaven, we will not go Satan's route as per my thoughts on your Question 2.

    You asked, "Will we remember all the sin that we committed in this life?" Revelation 5:9,10: "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

    We get a small view of the 24 Elders falling before the Lamb of God worshipping Him in words & song, being reminded that they were the redeemed only by Jesus' shed Blood unto God the Father. I would think that if they are in such thankfulness of their privileged & glorious position before the Throne, they are also in memory of what they have been redeemed from. Even when we are called to share our testimony of salvation, whether of salvation from much sin & wickedness, or of a quiet but clear realization of one's sinful estranged position before God, there's always joy from us when we share it; because His Salvation was so great & enduring in the midst of our weak, fickle & sinful lives. We were once destined for hell, justly deserved, without any hope, but Jesus stepped in & drew us to His Light. I sense that those 24 Elders had hearts of such praise for that great Redemption, being released from sin's shackles & eternal punishment, only by the shed Blood of the Lamb. I know our praise will be the same - and we'll have all eternity to praise our Lord & our God for such a Redeemer & such a Plan of Redemption.
  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Dear Horace, these are two very good questions that I do not have any kind of answer to, nor can I think of any Scripture that explains these. I hope that those who do have answers will respond to your post. I am interested in knowing more about these questions, too.
  • Horace Anderson on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Question 1.

    When we die and go to heaven to be with GOD what is going to stop us from sinning again like Adam and Eve?

    Question 2.

    When we die and go to Heaven will we remember all the sin that we committed in this life?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello again Mr. Rutkin, I was just now reading John 10:10-16,

    Yesterday I sent my reply even though I felt it half completed of all the scriptural references I would have liked to include of resemblances within the New Testament. It was very late & I knew it was a good stopping point of study. If you would like those, please let me know.

    I am glad Rick responded about David's sin because that is frequently a thought worth addressing, when discussing, how? Why? David was addressed as "a man after mine own heart" Acts 13:22. I have many views & some scriptures on that issue; If you would like those too.

    However to just address Acts 13:22,

    Today I found another powerful reference: John 10:11,12,15, David's similarly 1 Samuel 17:34,35,36,37, 1 Chronicles 21:17,

    Matthew 18:11-14,

    Again, please let me know if you would like more New Testament scriptures.

    Hopefully this was helpful.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Acts 13:22

    I used to believe it was because of the Psalms; David was honest before the LORD.

    1 Samuel 16:13,19-22, though anointed, waited for appointed time,

    1 Samuel 16:23, made evil spirits depart,

    1 Samuel 17:13-15, David went back in obedience to serve family.

    1 Samuel 17:17-22, Continued obedience of Parent,

    1 Samuel 17:28, Not believed in by family members,

    1 Samuel 17:45-47, love & zeal for Israel,

    1 Samuel 17:39,48,50, risked his life for Israel,

    These are a few I found. Hope these help.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Samuel 8 - 2 years ago
    David fought confidently. 1 Samuel 17:26,32,33-36,37 & with faith because of GOD's deliverances in past & knowing GOD's love for Israel. Maybe that's why GOD called him: 1 Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22,

    Hopefully this is helpful.
  • Rick - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    He was the son of Jesse the bethlehemite.
  • English Sacha - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Could it not be that in 1st Samuel Ch 17 Saul is literally asking : who is Davids father ? Who's son is this youth , who is his dad ?
  • David - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    Hello Victor First answer 1 Samuel 16:1-13 son of Jesse when he was anointed as with other men called out by prophets the spirit of God notice it doesn't say in, you could lose the spirit if you disobeyed God in the old testament [ David when he blew it with bathsheba begged God not to take His spirit from Him] which he did in chapter 15:7-28 the end result being chapter 16:14. From that point on Saul was spiritually blind as a bat and going further and further insane. That's why one moment he praised David and next moment he wanted Him dead. He was becoming jealous and terrified of David because he knew God backed Him.
  • Victor on 1 Samuel 17 - 2 years ago
    1 Samuel Chapter 17:55

    whose son is this youth?

    1 Samuel Chapter 16:21

    And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

    How did Saul not recognise his own armorbearer?
  • Bdavis - 3 years ago
    what does it mean that David was ruddy in 1 samuel 17:42
  • Anna on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    please can i get questions and answers related to the chaper
  • Sacha - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    Simon Mphande ,thankyou so much for your powerfull encouragement ,you made me smile ,may God bless you and may He keep you very close to Him .
  • Simon Mphande on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    And David girded his sword upon his armour, and he assayed to go; for he had not proved it. And David said unto Saul, I cannot go with these; for I have not proved them. And David put them off him.

    - this young man knew what he proved and knew that only God is the owner of all power, he knew that God made the promise fear not for am with you, be not not dismayed, for i am your God. i will strengthen you, yes, i will help you, i will uphold you with my righteous right hand { Isaiah 41:10} him being the Shepherd and fights for his sheep he prove God to be his Shepherd not any other proven tools

    Brothers and Sisters in the lord fear not the word of your enemy but prove what God has said for our life and prove Jesus to do everything for us the key is to abide in his word and his word in us then what ever we ask, desire, want will be given to us { john 16:7} God bless you
  • SkipVought - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    Yes, Samuel had anointed David as king, but he was not coronated until many years later, often being hunted by King Saul. It was a testing time for David. David even had opportunities to take Saul's life, but he refused. This was a time when David's faith in God increased greatly.
  • Eric Lopez on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    Why is Saul back in the picture if he was renounced as King. Is this chapter going back in time when Jonathon slain Philistines with his arm bearer?

    I was expecting David having his own book for the story of David and Goliath. Did not see that coming for this book of 1st Samuel. It was quick and easy fight of a read.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    You're quite correct, the accounts of Saul's recognition of David appears strange, since he had seen David & was even close to him. And King James had nothing to do with this apparent aberration.

    Some reasons are given: that Saul in his first encounter with David was when he was in a state of an oppressing evil spirit. He called for David to minister to him with harp music so we know that in spite of this affliction, he recognized David. But when Saul saw David at a later occasion (during & after the victory he had with Goliath), that Saul failed to recognize David & Abner probably wasn't aware of him either. Maybe this had something to do with the effect of the evil spirit upon him which would disturb & rattle his mind & memory.

    It's also suggested that David's appearance may have changed, whether in clothing (shepherd's gear or that of a warrior) or being a little older than when Saul first saw him & Saul couldn't easily discern who this young guy was. We can't be sure from the passages given, but we shouldn't assume some error in transmission as we simply don't have the full account of Saul's position & condition. We have to accept this account as given, as we have to do with so many other accounts in the Bible, & formulate an understanding based on what we know, yet we should not attempt giving a 'full' story which may be mixed with personal ideas.
  • Lemach on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    From chap16,I can't see king Saul didn't know David.King James was just joking,do you think so?
  • Crystal Bufford on 1 Samuel 17 - 3 years ago
    It's through the power of the Mighty God that we are more than conquerors!


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