Discuss 1 Samuel 18

Hello Mary. The answer to your question quite probably lies in the grammar of the Hebrew language, that is used in the Old Testament. Unlike in English where we don't have a clear distinction in the word 'they/them/those' (i.e. they can refer to any gender, unless the subject is clear), in Hebrew, even the words 'they/them/those' are allocated a specific gender without the need to specify whether male or female.

Now in Psalm 68:11, the KJV rendering is correct (i.e. "...great was the company of those that published it"), but when examining the word, 'those', in Hebrew apparently, 'those' is given a feminine gender, which then necessitates the meaning, 'that the large group of people publishing the good news (i.e. rejoicing & dancing maybe because of victories won or from the giving of the Law)', were women. And often, we read in the Bible of women who are conspicuous in their presence in such celebrations (e.g. Exodus 15:20; Judges 21:21,23; 1 Samuel 18:6; Jeremiah 31:13: 'virgin', relates to young women; & maybe other references).

So, those translators that showed that these were women who came out to "publish the Word", & in all probability, in song, fanfare, & dance, were likely more accurate in their reading of the Hebrew, whereas the KJV only shows it as 'a great company', which of course may have included males as they took part in celebrations (with music, etc.).

Yes Bradford, King Saul did intend for David to be killed by the Philistines. You can read the account in 1 Samuel 18:17-29, where Saul's offer of his daughter Michal would be realized only if David went out to battle & return with proof of the death of one hundred Philistines. But David instead killed two hundred. Saul hoped that the Philistines would get the better of David & his men & that David would be killed, since Saul failed to do so in his several attempts. Saul now realized that "that the LORD was with David, and that Michal Saul's daughter loved him": verse 28.

But in the 2 Samuel 11 reference against your name, we read that King David himself behaved just as badly as his father-in-law & did sin grievously by sending Uriah into battle to have him killed because of the sin of adultery that David committed with Uriah's wife, Bathsheba. Unfortunately, on this occasion, the person sent out to battle was killed & David took Bathsheba to wife. But in 2 Samuel chapter 12, Nathan the prophet comes to David to alert him to his grievous sins (of adultery & murder) & we can also read Psalm 51 as David's declaration of repentance for his actions.

Your comment was on point. I was thinking the same but could not put it into words with understanding. I know jealous played a key role but did not want to used that obvious term.

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Hi Des!

The reason Saul got mad because in the song the woman said Saul killed THOUSANDS and David killed TENS OF THOUSANDS. She gave David a bigger honor in front of the whole court. This is when Saul started hated David. He also realized God was with them.

Hope this helps. Any more questions on this subject please let me know. Be happy to help.

God bless my friend.

It appears Des, that jealousy was at the root of Saul's anger. Saul, as Israel's King, always received the people's praises & obeisance, but now this young unknown lad, a shepherd at that, could snatch away the King's glory by defeating the Philistine champion & many others during the chase. Saul was probably overjoyed in the victory that day & that 'thousands' slain by him was a great acknowledgement, but then to hear the songs & dances also directed to David for 'his tens of thousands slain' was too much for him to bear in silence. He might have even thought that if David could garner such praise, would his own throne now become precarious? Thus he "eyed David from that day and forward" (v 9).

1Samuel 18:7-8 Why do you think Saul was provoked to anger when he heard this song?

1 Samuel 14:49, 1 Samuel 18:20-28, 1 Samuel 19:11-18, 1 Samuel 22:1,5, 1 Samuel 23:13-14,24,29, 1 Samuel 24, 1 Samuel 25:44,

2 Samuel 3:12-16, 2 Samuel 6:15-23,

* 1 Samuel 6:23,

Note : 2 Samuel 21, vrs 8 "she brought up" didn't say bore, begot, or birthed. 1 Samuel 18:19, looks like she "brought up" her sister Merab's sons.

Hopefully these are helpful.

How is it possible to sacrifice 1000 bulls at the temple by Solomon?

Indeed, "there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother" & one who can be sorely missed for all time.

I fully understand how David and Jonathan souls were knit together . I had one friend in my life that our souls were knit. Ten years after his death I still miss him.

Explain verse 10

1 Samuel 18:6

...... that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of music.

2 Samuel 6:5

And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

2 Chronicles 5:13, 16 and 7:6

It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For God is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;

Psalms 87:7, 68:25, 150:4

As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Amos 6:5

That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;

Habakkuk 3:19

The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief SINGERS on my stringed instruments.

Genesis 30: 27-28

28 And he said, Appoint me thy Wages, and I will give it.

Comment: We live in different times. I think the members of the Church should praise the Lord as a group. Special songs should be free-will offerings. Sacrifice of Praise blesses God, as we see from scripture. He gave Israel victory over their enemies in battle, time after time.

However today, Churches are under pressure to hire professional bands and singers, which travel from church to church, and incur expenses.

You need to search this out, seek the counsel of your elders in your church. Discuss the budget. Also, do not neglect to teach the flock the power of Corporate Praise and Worship vs pew sitters. STAND and sing unto the Lord.

Mishael

Michal was one of Saul's daughters; the other (older) one was Merab ( 1 Samuel 14:49). Then we find the love she had for David (from 1 Samuel 18:17 onwards, into the next chapter).

I believe you're correct, that God would not have accepted a new Ark of the Covenant to replace the one stolen by the Philistines & then subsequently returned. If it were not for the great troubles & diseases that were inflicted upon the Philistines by God because of their theft & mishandling of the Ark, then the Ark & its inclusions could well be lost forever & broken up. But God preserved that which was holy & to which His Presence came on behalf of His people. But where is the Ark of the Covenant now? That may be difficult to answer; some say that it's in Heaven ( Revelation 11:19).

yes this is true

if david had just made a new Ark of the covenant and retrieved the vessels from the old Ark of the covenant would God have be

happy with this? no i think not just like Gods word yesterday today and forever

the power of God the Holy Spirit is in and on the kjv only

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you:

1 Samuel 28 &

1 Samuel 16:23

And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1 Samuel 18:10

And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

1 Samuel 16:14

But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1 Samuel 16:15

And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

1 Samuel 19:9

And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Samuel 19:20

And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.

1 Samuel 11:6

And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his ANGER was kindled greatly.

1 Samuel 28:7

Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

Acts 19:15

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

>>Most of Sauls problems were of pride. The people wanted a King and God gave them what they wanted; which was for someone else to be a go-between so they didn't have to speak to God.

Rebellion is AS the sin of witchcraft. Saul sought out witches.

The day he "died" he prohibited the customary sacrifice to God for victory in Battle; and told the soldiers He would be their sacrifice! Saul and his 2 sons all died.

Psalms 100:4

Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

1 Samuel 18:6

And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick.

2 Samuel 6:5

And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

1 Chronicles 15:16

And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of musick, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.

2 Chronicles 5:13

It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD;

2 Chronicles 7:6

And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.

Nehemiah 12:36

And his brethren, with the MUSICAL instruments of David the man of God, and Ezra the scribe before them.

Psalms 68:25

The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.

Psalms 87:7

As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Psalms 150:4

Praise him with the timbrel and dance:

3 years famine: 2 Samuel 21:1

Michal was David's 1st wife: 1 Samuel 18:20, 1 Samuel 25:44,

2 Samuel 21:8-9

He buried the bones of the family he loved : 1 Samuel 18:1, 2 Samuel 21:12-15

& he had just faught the Philistines

Doesn't sound cowardice

Exhaustive mentally, emotionally & physically, yes

In this chapter, we see David's beloved friend, Jonathan, & himself communing after David's encounter with Goliath. You remember that David could not use Saul's armour against Goliath, preferring rather his sling shot with which he was very skilled. So when he & Jonathan met up later, Jonathan offered his royal clothing & armoury to David as he was accepted by King Saul to head up the armies of Israel & needed something more warlike looking when appearing before the King.

So, at this time these pieces of armoury were worn by David for decoration & dignity of his position rather than for use in war. So Jonathan gave him his bow (longbow rather than a crossbow, also 2 Sam 1:22) & his girdle. This was a heavy metal plated belt that served two purposes: to hold the scabbard for his sword & sometimes extended lower to cover & protect the pelvic area. Soldiers also wore a breastplate, which was like the material of the belt but used to protect the abdomen.

meaning of bow and girdle in v4 of 18 chapter

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Satans time is short and he's doing all he can to make us unemployed, sick, scared, suicidal,addicted,sad

1 Samuel 18:4 Exchanging Armor

And Jonathan stripped himself of the ROBE that was on him and gave it to David, and his ARMOR, and even his SWORD and his BOW and his BELT.

Jesus exchanged HIS armor with US. Why?

Because we are warring against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:10-18. Read ALL those center column references to other Books. See Isaiah 24:21-22. Romans 13:1-5,11-12; John 12:31

Jesus did not leave us here to just wear a wedding garment and hold a lamp of oil.

He left us scripture that we're to do spiritual war in the heavenlies. It's about strong faith and prayer: intercession; "standing in the gap". Jesus is making intercession for us right now! People come into the prayer room with grievous problems we SHOULD BE praying & doing war for. Ephesians 6:12, Romans 8:38, Colossians 1:9, 16-17; 2:15. 1 Thessalonians 5:8

Standing in the gap is when you hold a lamb in your arms of prayer, and war against the demonic hoards that are trying to kill it; steal its life, destroy its hope in Jesus! It should make you want to save that lamb. Do you have any "lambs" in your life? Are you willing to snatch it out of the hands of Satans hoard of demons, WITH the WORD of God?

You have a wealth of Bible Knowledge but are any lambs being saved with weighty speech? Don't you want to receive a Crown at Bema Seat? What would Jesus do? He showed us in His Gospels. If we are His followers we will imitate what he was Doing.

Multitudes of people are committing suicide for unbelievable reasons. That's on Satans scoreboard. Is there anyone who will challenge that? Do you know how to take the scriptures and frighten the demons off of someone on a chair with a rope around their neck? Or a hypodermic needle going in an arm.

Parents!Pray rightly for your kids. Punch out Satan! We have permission!

Very enlightening to google Bible Covenants! Covenants are very binding and that's why we are warned to not enter one lightly.

1 Samuel 18:4 Exchanging Armor

And Jonathan stripped himself of the ROBE that was on him and gave it to David, and his ARMOR, and even his SWORD and his BOW and his BELT.

Jesus exchanged HIS armor with US. Why?

Because we are warring against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:10-18. Read ALL those center column references to other Books. See Isaiah 24:21-22. Romans 13:1-5,11-12; John 12:31

Jesus did not leave us here to just wear a wedding garment and hold a lamp of oil.

He left us scripture that we are to war against spiritual war in the heavenlies. It's about strong faith and prayer: intercession; "standing in the gap". Jesus is making intercession for us right now! People come into the prayer room with grievous problems we SHOULD BE praying & doing war for. Ephesians 6:12, Romans 8:38, Colossians 1:9, 16-17; 2:15. 1 Thessalonians 5:8

Standing in the gap is when you hold a lamb in your arms of prayer, and war against the demonic hoards that are trying to kill it; steal its life, destroy its hope in Jesus! It should make you want to save that lamb. Do you have any lambs in your life? Are you willing to snatch it out of the hands of Satans hoard of demons, WITH the WORD of God?

You have a wealth of Bible Knowledge but are any lambs being saved with weighty speech? Don't you want to receive a Crown at Bema Seat? What would Jesus do? He showed us in His Gospels. If we are His followers we will imitate what he was Doing.

Multitudes of people just in America, are committing suicide for unbelievable reasons. That's on Satans scoreboard. Is there anyone who will challenge that? Do you know how to take the scriptures and frighten the demons off of someone on a chair with a rope around their neck? Or a hypodermic needle going in an arm.

Parents!Pray rightly for your kids. Punch out Satan

And what is this evil spirit that troubled Saul? We know it is not of God, so it must come from Satan.

V.3 Father, thank You for putting encouraging, loyal friends in our lives.

Verse 8~Saul began to be jealous of David for no reason. David was on Saul's side, but all Saul could think about is what David had done that he had not done. We must guard against jealousy.

According to 1 Samuel 18:19, Saul married his daughter Merab to Adriel. The five sons that sprang from this union were put to death by the Gibeonites. Michal just brought them up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

I was afraid this would happen,kind of reminds me of Cain and Able,without the fear of god being present,but the jealousy factor and trying to kill David,this should teach us about what jealousy does to us,we DONT behave very wisely,we REACT and that is what evil prevokes in is humans,I think emotions can be a weakness used against us,but if we stop and think,we go through such ungoodly emotions.

correction on 1 Sam. 18:9: it was v. 11, not 9.