Discuss 1 Thessalonians 3

Jema and others,

The Bible is very clear that when Christ applies His Salvation to one of His Elect and they become "saved", they become Born Again, they are given ETERNAL LIFE at that moment. This occurs in their Soul, which then can NEVER DIE. But their Body has not yet become "saved" and will die.

So when the True Believer dies, their Body goes into the grave and corrupts; and must wait the Last Day to be Resurrected a Spiritual Body. But in their Soul, they go immediately to be with Christ in Heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at HOME in the body, we are ABSENT from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be ABSENT from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH ALL HIS SAINTS.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Jude 1:14,15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, THE LORD COMETH WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HIS SAINTS, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

quoting you; no one but Christ could fully keep it

Luke 1:6 Philippians 3:6

to use your own tools of understanding

blameless!

, ( to blame), blameless, deserving no censure, free from fault or defect: Luke 1:6; Philippians 2:15; Philippians 3:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:13 Hebrews 8:7 (in which nothing is lacking); in the Sept. equivalent to , Job 1:1, 8 etc

Do you think, that perhaps you could be blinded here?

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d. the revelation of the anti-Christ is restrained ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12). Paul's reason for writing this was because the Church was greatly troubled that the Day of the Lord (Christ) had begun. Paul said that that day wouldn't commence until Jesus came for them & raptured them ("our gathering together unto him": v1). The 'restrainer' is the Holy Spirit in God's people, then when He is removed, God's people are removed, for the Holy Spirit was sent to indwell us & work in & through us & for the Gospel's propagation ( John 16:7,8,13).

e. a comparison between an imminent Rapture & Rapture at the Second Coming:

1. Translation of all believers ( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18) --- No translation at all ( Revelation 19:6-21).

2. Raptured saints return to Heaven ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17; John 14:1-3) --- Raptured saints return to Earth ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Revelation 19:14).

3. Any moment, in readiness, without signs ( 1 Corinthians 1:7; Philippians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13; James 5:7-9; Revelation 3:11, 22:7,12,20) --- many signs given of the Great Tribulation which leads into Jesus' coming (so a readiness cannot be expected, as the seven year's count down begins with the anti-Christ).

A Pre-Tribulation Rapture position keeps the Church ready & watching for her Lord's Coming. Any other position can give her the tendency to apathy & carelessness. The Church is told to be watchful, in spite of ridicule, "where is the promise of his coming" ( 2 Peter 3:4). But Christ's coming is held back until the full number are saved (v9) - and then Jesus will come to take His Church Home.

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Thanks again Jimbob for your thoughts on this. Tribulation or Great Tribulation? I see a difference. The apostles, the early Church & believers today are not exempt from tribulation; it will come to us as declared ( Matthew 13:21; John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 8:35; 2 Corinthians 7:4; etc): not just physical hardships, but certainly the exercises by the enemy against us, even to testings of faith & martyrdom. We are not insulated from any of these, nor should we expect to be, but what of the Tribulation sent by God our Father? You shared 1 Thessalonians 3:4, "For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know." You understand that Paul was referring to the Great Tribulation, of God's Wrath. I don't see that at all in his discourse, rather, that Paul was describing his own afflictions (vv 3,7 & coupled with 1 Thessalonians 2:2,9,14). I see a clear difference between the two expressions of Tribulation: that which comes to all of us, & that which is only directed to haters of God & His Christ.

What then are we not appointed to? To our daily tribulations, even to suffering or dying for Christ, or to God's Wrath to unbelievers? I note that you agree to this: that believers won't face the outpouring of God's Wrath against a Christ-rejecting World, by your understanding that this outpouring will happen only after the believers are caught away (i.e. post-tribulation). The contention then is: is God's Wrath the same as the Great Tribulation? I believe the Great Tribulation is still to come - we haven't in the least begun to experience anything of it now. When it starts, we know that the time of the end is at hand and believers will be caught away before the world begins to feel the Mighty Hand of God against them. (cont'd).

1 Thessalonians 3:10. I prayed and re-read the Bible. 2 Timothy 2:15. Matthew 24:4-5. If you are guided by the Holy Spirit of God, Colossians 2:2-3. Grow in grace and Charity 2 Peter 3:18; 1 Corinthians 13:4-9. Colossians 3:14. Many of you 2 Timothy 3:10. Galatians 6:6. Galatians 6:10. All scriptures tie out-Old Testament and New Testament. God directed my paths to be a very honest Corporate Auditor on earth to testify that the Bible is true and indeed cannot lie. Men lie. Every word in KJV Bible you can follow stories upon stories for us to know and learn what to do. There is no man can pervert the word of God, except you are lost. I pray that all be saved. Read the Bible and be guided by the Holy Spirit; Cover to cover are blessed and believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. All scriptures directed in the end to The blood of Jesus Christ for the world salvation. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22

Revelation 3:2. Thank you for the opportunities to communicate through written comments to some of you. Thank you for the website Agape.

Elmer,

Paul wrote two letters to Timothy who was pastoring the church in Ephesus. Timothy's name is mentioned 24 times in the New Testament. Timothy was from Lystra and he was saved during Paul's first missionary journey ( Acts 14:19-20; Acts 16:1-2)

His mother Eunice, and his grandmother Lois, were godly Jewish women. In fact, Timothy was taught the Old Testament scriptures since he was a little boy. So he has a scriptural background. Timothy was about 15-years-old when he first met Paul. And when Paul writes his letter to Timothy, he's approximately 35. So he has spent approximately 20 years with Paul in ministry learning.

Even though Timothy's mother and grandmother were godly Jewish women, his father was a pagan Greek. ( Acts 16:1; 2 Timothy 1:5). Timothy was raised hearing Old Testament Scriptures. ( 2 Timothy 3:14-15). He joined Paul, along with Silas and Luke, during second missionary trip. ( Acts 16:3).

Paul had Timothy circumcised so that he might have the freedom to preach the gospel in Jewish synagogues. ( Acts 16:3; 1 Corinthians 9:20). He could not do that unless he was circumcised. Timothy was ordained by Paul and the Presbytery. ( 1 Timothy 4:14; 2 Timothy 1:6). He accompanies Paul on his third missionary trip. ( Acts 19:22; Acts 20:4; 2 Corinthians 1:1, 1:19).

Timothy ministered in at least five churches as Paul's representative:

1) Thessalonica ( 1 Thessalonians 3:2, 3:6)

2) Corinth ( 1 Corinthians 4:17; 16:10; 2 Corinthians 1:19)

3) Philippi ( Philippians 2:19-23)

4) Berea ( Acts 17:14)

5) Ephesus ( 1 Timothy 1:3)

Timothy was with Paul during Paul's first imprisonment ( Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:1; Philemon 1:1) and went to Philippi after Paul's release. ( Philippians 2:19-23). Timothy was around 35-years of age when Paul wrote I Timothy. Timothy also suffered imprisonment. ( Hebrews 13:23).

Hope this helps!

Sheila:

To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.

Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.

1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.

Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.

You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.

Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......

God Bless YOU!

Amen Brother Alex:

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his apistles, speaking in them of these things; in which some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable do wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own DESTRUCTION.

1 Thessalonians 3:8 Then shall that Wicked (the carnal mind) be revealed, whom the lord (the Holy Ghost, truth and life) shall consume with the spirit of his mouth (born by the word of God), and shall DESTROY by the brightness (light) of HIS COMING (this mystery ...Christ in you....born of SPIRIT).

Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord REVEALED?

God Bless YOU!

Hi Anthony.

The believers that has departed the Earth prior to Christ coming is with the Lord.

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:8.

Philippians 1:23.

The Lord will bring them, and those raptured at his second coming.

Right after the marriage supper of the Lamb we are presented with Christ's "VISIBLE" return to this earth to execute judgment, put down evil, and set up His kingdom. He returns "with his saints.

1 Thessalonians 3:13.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 1:7.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hello Shellon. I appreciate your good question that refers to 1 Thessalonians 4:14: "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

When reading it, the easiest understanding would be that it is God Who comes for the catching away of the saints, with the spirits of the departed believers from Heaven. But we know from reading other Scriptures of this particular time & of the future Millenium period, that God's Presence is nowhere seen, except finally after the creation of & habitation in the New Jerusalem in the new heavens & Earth ( Revelation 21:1-4; Revelation 22:1-3).

And then in 1 Thessalonians 3:13, we read: "To the end he (Jesus) may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints." So, Paul states here that it is Jesus that comes with the spirits of the saints. Then when we align this verse with the one in question, we could read 1 Thessalonians 4:14 as, '...even them also which are asleep in Jesus will God send along with Jesus'. As well, we see the clear distinction of those who are asleep in Jesus awaiting resurrection (v16), & those who are asleep in Jesus in Heaven (v14); these are not Old Testament saints, but those who have put their trust in Christ & have since passed on. When we die, our spirits leave our body to return to the Lord Who gave it, awaiting the day of resurrection when both spirit & body will be reunited & living forever with the Lord (v17). This was the great comfort to the despairing Thessalonians, who believed that the dead would not be raised or in the case of 2 Timothy 2:18, where those two false teachers taught that the resurrection of believers was already accomplished.

But we are assured that our rising to be with our Saviour is certain & those who have died 'in Christ', are not forgotten, but will come with Jesus & together we will join Him to reign with Him for eternity.

Hi Dawn. No, you won't find any evidence of such advanced medical procedures in the Bible. People in those days who suffered organ failure would have just grown increasingly weak in body until death overtook them. They probably didn't even know what was causing their sickness & prolonged suffering. However, there were very elementary practises of alleviating medical problems, by using natural methods or whatever special foods or plants that were proven useful. We understand that Luke, a doctor ( Colossians 4:14) tended to give a little more emphasis on the medical side of situations, in his Gospel & Acts. But if one asked whether it was morally or biblically correct for a Christian to have an organ transplant, then one would have to be convinced in his/her own heart about the matter. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with it, understanding that God has given man that ability to progress in the medical field for the general health & enjoyment of life of so many. How far man goes on with that knowledge (i.e. intruding into or altering God's Design), would be very wrong & he will have to give account of his actions one day.

Hi Dawn, Don't forget the entire premise of US being grafted into the BODY of the messiah. Also we receive his blood for the remission of our sins. God Bless.

Does it say anywhere in jkv bible about persons recieving human organ transplant

Part IV

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... Ephesians 5:27

7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! 1 Thessalonians 3:13 Colossians 1:5,22 1 Corinthians 6:3 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been

assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of Glorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' for "all to see" today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" 1 Thessalonians 4:18

Glenn, thanks for your response: "If Jesus is coming here ,. An preparing for our Father to set up his kingdom, in Jerusalem, where is anyone being raptured to ? Where ya going ? I've heard of one rapture,.. but now 3 ? This is very confusing,.."

Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:

PRE-TOJT rapture:

(1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?

MID-TOJT raptures:

(2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":

a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)

b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)

Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:

Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... ( Ephesians 5:27)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2)

Thus, we do "Know the order, and realize our place according to the grand scheme." = Today is GOD's PURE {Gospel Of} GRACE {Light} 'Offered' to all 'INDIVIDUALS,' and WHEN 'it ENDS' With HIS Great GRACE Departure {'Removing' ALL HIS 'ambassadors'}, only THEN Will Fall:

God's {OPPOSITE of GRACE} JUDGMENT In The Time of JACOB's TROUBLE {Tribulation, GREAT tribulation And Wrath in Woe, Dread, Terror, And DARKNESS}, for "ISRAEL And The UNbelieving Nations!"

Thus, question: Precious friend, WHY do you "DESIRE what is NOT our place according to the grand scheme"? ( Amos 5:18)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope ofGlorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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our "place In The Grand Scheme"?:

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9) = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

Regarding "unblameable" in First Thessalonians 3:13 = This adjective means morally faultless. The truest application of this adjective means GOD justifies the repenting sinner (e.g. Rom. 3:24; 5:1; etc.) when the sinner trusts in, and believes on, JESUS CHRIST as his LORD and SAVIOR. The adjective "unblameable" means GOD no longer holds the redeemed guilty of their past sins.

This characteristic does not mean without accusations from the world, for the world is quick to accuse GOD's saints to harm or destroy their reputation (e.g. Mt. 12:10; Ac. 24:2; 1Pet. 3:16).

Satan is the father of these accusations, for "there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" ( Jn. 8:44). Satan is the ever-present "accuser of our brethren which accused them before our GOD day and night" ( Rev. 12:10).

The adjective "unblameable" means although accused, those whom CHRIST reconciles are guiltless of all false and unprovable accusations as Paul proclaimed in another epistle ( Rom. 8:33): "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD's elect? It is GOD that justifieth."

Does God love us more than those who came before us? From Pentecost to now, have we become more holy or more worthy that we should be spared from what all the believers in Christ had to endure that came before us? The body of Christ in the past have been stoned, beheaded, crucified, impaled and dipped in oil, lit as lamps along roadsides, burned at the stake, fed to lions, killed by gladiators, and tortured beyond imagination. Inflicted by kingdoms, empires, and countries throughout history even by the Roman Catholic Church, and is still going on. Do we think the end times will be worse than they have had to endure?

Why should the last generation be spared? "Take heed that no man deceive you"!

The great tribulation and the wrath of God, are not the same thing. We will be spared the wrath of God, but we have been promised tribulations, the wrath of God is after the second coming of Christ when there is no more repentance.

Acts.14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

Matthew 24:21,29 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Out of love, Ron

He was speaking to Timothy then. Also the verse speaks to us now, in later history. We are the young converts.

In Chapter 3 of 1 Thessalonians, Paul showed his concern for the well-being of the young converts to Jesus Christ. This was his main purpose for sending Timothy and Silas back to them while he remained in Athens.

The presence of Timothy was meant to strengthen the church in their faith as well as encourage the people to keep from being unsettled in times of trials. Paul also sent Timothy to find out if he had labored in vain.

Next, Paul told of Timothy's report after he returned from Thessalonica. He said the report was very encouraging and he was very thankful for that. This news comforted Paul in his affliction and he said he was excited to see them in the near future.

Paul concluded 1 Thessalonians Chapter 3 by saying that he prayed for God to open doors that would allow him to visit them again. He also prayed for the people, saying that he hoped their love for each other would grow in much the same way that his love for them had grown. He prayed that the Lord would establish their hearts in holiness for when the Lord Jesus Christ returned.

You can google your scripture and type the word, history, after it and you can read the historic details of an event.

Mishael

everyone that reads it

The Apostle Paul was writing this letter to the Christians in Thessalonika in Macedonia/Greece.

Who is the one being referred to as "you" in this book?

Wow i have believed i would never come across another person who is actually reading between the lines . god sent all the angels who are a part of him he made in his image. For god cant not feel touch love so he sent these angels to do it for him and the ones. Who question an rebelled are those the war was about. Lucifer satan michael . jesus. God is only an intety. Ur all groupies

1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you

I like to read this every night and try to memorize the whole chapter.

Paul's burden was to see the church at Thessalonica grow in their faith and become mature believers which is only perfected through love. The world's definition of love is emotional and twisted through the lies of the Devil. True love Corinthians 15 rejoiceth in the truth. May the Lord help us to pursue Biblical love which will mature us in the faith.

Verse 12~An increase in love was being emphasized here and that is something that we all want to contribute to today.

Ephesians 1:7 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace. God looks at us as thou we never sin. But the flesh will still sin.

Ray? There are many Churches that love one another,they talk about The Bible,Way of Salvation.Do different things,thinking they are Saved and are more Lost then The World. One Big Social Club. Some on this site have lunch with The Wolf. Only by The Blood of The Lamb and The Word of God,We can Win The Battle: Ephesians 10:18. It's getting harder to find a Body of True Believers. Preach The Blood

1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you. If we get loving one another and share the gospel, we won't have to worry about wolf's in sheep clothing. Let us increase our Love and Faith in Christ Jesus.