Discuss 2 Corinthians 12

  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hope you don't mind me barging in attempting to answer your question. It is something that has mystified me over the years.

    Getting over the preliminaries; that is making sure that we aren't living in unconfessed sin and grieving the Spirit; and that we truly ARE sensing the Spirit and not some other influence I will post several ideas.

    First off; there are individuals going through struggles within the Body of Christ who we may never have met that the Lord wants to intercede for. Whatever a battle is going on in the spiritual dimension we are all involved as soldiers of Christ as I see it. Romans 12:15 says to rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn for those who mourn. There are often demons who are going after us as well as our loved ones or again; those who may be nearby who are also fighting some of the same evil forces.

    We realize that only in Christ did the Spirit work without measure ( John 3:34). This did NOT mean for Him that He didn't have to endure suffering and a feeling of abandonment at the crucifixion but no doubt other occasions; just as Paul also felt many had abandoned Him. He had the exceedingly great revelation ( 2 Corinthians 12:2) but nonetheless had the thorn in his flesh afterwards to keep him relying on the Lord for His strength (verse 7 in same chapter).

    It is prayer which helps us to garner our strength; and therefore equip us for the battle. This key element the enemy will do all he can to thwart as there is nothing he can't stand like the Spirit truly moving in a local body of believers.

    There are people who are living in a lifestyle of sin who can also quell the Spirit. There are also warnings about not having hands laid on hastily as someone could be operating in a different spirit ( 1 Timothy 5:22).

    It is indeed mysterious how these things operate; but if we learn to discern His voice and have long term obedience producing good fruit we will have these experiences more frequently. Hope that helps...
  • Bennymkje - 6 months ago
    Ps.115:16 "Heavens"

    "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."

    Easton's Bible gives us "The heaven of heavens," or "the third heaven" ( Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4; 2 Corinthians 12:2). Simplest way to make sense of these three heavens is to use the same yardstick St John used in measuring the holy city of God. Angel aspect of the Son is with regards to the everlasting Gospel. So Jesus tells his disciples, "I go to prepare a place, "I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."( John 14:6). I am the way specifies exactly is Person specific. The risen Christ dies no more. No meaningful discussion we can have without abiding in him. Second aspect is the man component. The Word become flesh means whosoever abides in the Son loves God with "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might./And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart."(De.6:5-6).

    "According to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel" New Jerusalem" is scaled so shall the three heavens since all things in heaven on the earth and below are by him consist. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:/And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."(Col.1:15-19)

    Brightness of his glory(The throne of God and of the Lamb), Gospel as a body (the church) and symbolism of fire water and rock are three heavens. In short Spirit, Body and Soul the Trinity underpin the earth. God gave the earth to the children of men in the Son. God blessed them in his Son. " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."(Ge.1:26-28) Old Testament and New Testament is a infelicitous way of defining the everlasting Covenant.
  • Adam - In Reply - 9 months ago
    The world socially bullies others to publicly affirm and validate another's' sin, or face consequences such as cancelling and public shaming. Since when are rights contingent on someone else's opinion of you?

    Is it more important to appease men, or more important to please God? To the church, it should be obvious what the priority is, but I think some cave to public pressure and fear they may lose funding or social status by not siding with the bullies. Some try to appease the world instead of God.

    What's this bullying really about and why the huge push in recent years? They claim its their identity, they're born that way, and don't have a choice. But has anyone challenged this assumption?

    What are other examples of someone born with such a high proclivity to sin that they absolutely "have no choice"? I'm not aware of any, in fact, the Bible says we always have a choice- a way out of sin. 1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV

    We all have different obstacles in life; some, like Paul, had a thorn in the flesh. 2 Corinthians 12:7

    I reject the assumption that some people are more "equal" than others. Equal means equal, not special protected classes and treatment. I've learned that the woke movement is now racially separating people just like they did 100 years ago, whether for hiring, or DEI classes, and who knows what else. Amazing full circle. They totally ignored everything MLK stood for.

    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 KJV

    The culture is ignoring this verse that we're equal.

    There's no evidence anyone's identity is tied to sin so much they can't help but do that. No baby desires such things. It's learned and when opportunities present themselves. Now pedos use same arguments to excuse their horrific abuse of kids. The culture will use clever words to defend it. There's no end to the evil progression. It's a choice.
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hello Pnovello, I would echo the good advice given you by others here. The Scripture that immediately came to mind was 2 Corinthians 12:9, "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

    This was the Apostle Paul who received this powerful, yet comforting Word from His Lord. As Adam wrote here, Paul was a prime example of much suffering, not just in the physical realm, but also spiritual & emotional. His life was marked by daily suffering & anguish of heart & spirit, yet he persevered in the Gospel, knowing that his sufferings were but momentary compared to 'the glory which is yet to be revealed (to us &) in us'. "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." ( Romans 8:18). See also 2 Corinthians 4:16-18.

    If these great men of faith, even our sinless Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, were not immune from suffering, we know that while we are in the flesh, the workings of sin & corruption within, will always manifest itself in one form or another. My wife & I have been thus far blessed not to have any debilitating illness or injury come upon us (only the minor interruptions to sound health, because of age), yet we know that we can never take this for granted & are resting in our Father's Arms each day for whatever the day might bring forth.

    Psalm 27 has always been precious to us. Sure, it was King David calling upon God as his enemies troubled him from every side, but can we not also consider that it's not just the anger of men we might face, but just living in corrupt bodies in a corrupt world that continually works against our joy & perfection in Christ? Please read this Psalm of praise & trust by David & particularly v14, "Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD."
  • Oseas - 12 months ago
    And now?

    Well, now will be established the 3rd heaven in this WORLD, i.e. the 3rd celestial environment where John Apostle was caught up as a guest- Revelation 4:1- and Paul Apostle was caught up in vision, and through revelations of the Lord he heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Corinthians 12:2-3

    Again Luke 20:35-36: They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain(to reach) that WORLD(i.e. the 3rd HEAVEN to be established here in the Earth- Matthew 5:5 combined with Revelation 5:v.10 among others references), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of GOD(John1:v.12), being the children of the resurrection. And 1Cor. 15:22 reveals: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    Therefore, in this new millennium, there will be another NATURE, i.e. the NATURE of all things will be changed here in this Earth which was CURSED by GOD because of man, so instead of the CURSE, the blessing. This will be LITERALLY fulfilled from now on. Remember: The Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing according was preestablished and revealed by the Word of GOD.

    Philippians 3:20-21 - 20 Our conversation is in heaven(current 2nd heaven, understand?); FROM WHENCE also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

    21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body( 1 Corinthians 15:51-55.Take a look.)-, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (the nature will be changed)

    1 Cor.15:24-27

    24 The END cometh when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and power( Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look)

    25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 1 year ago
    "Tunney"

    Without JESUS it is IMPOSSIBLE to exist peace not only in the Jerusalem, but in the nation of Israel as a whole. By the way, the Holy City, where also our Lord was crucified, is now spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. You know that JESUS prophesied the Temple would be destroyed, saying: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down"- Matthew 24:2- , and it LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, and Israel was scattered around the world until 1948, i.e.1878 years of severe punishments and curses in LITERAL fulfilment of Deusteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of terrible chastisements-Take a look. The dispersed people of Israel have never had peace in the last two millennia. And NOW? The WORST will come now, even now, from now on, because the Day of Vengeance arrived, understand? 2Thes.1:7-9; combined with Matthew 24:15-25.

    7 ... the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (angels? Luke 20:35-36.Take a look)

    8 In flaming FIRE taking VENGEANCE on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ:

    9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;

    Remember: Pilatos asked to the Jews: John 18:39-40

    39 Ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the KING of the JEWS?

    40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

    JESUS said: John 5:43-I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name(an IMPOSTOR, a FALSE MESSIAH), him ye will receive. (This prophecy of our Lord JESUS will LITERALLY be fulfilled in days ahead)

    2 Do ye know that the saints shall Judge the world?

    Re.1:7 Behold,JESUS cometh with clouds( Acts 1:9-11-take a look)and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
  • Jema - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 1 year ago
    Tunney , a great thing to do . I believe that Jerusalem will only see true peace when Christ returns so , to pray for the peace of Jerusalem is , I think , to pray for the return of Christ . We can do no better than that :) .
  • Tunney on 2 Corinthians 12:14 - 1 year ago
    1 Timothy 2:1-3; 2 Peter 3:9

    Praying for the peace in Jerusalem.

    GOD bless all on this forum.

    November 20, 2023
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    First off; we have verses such as 1 John 1:8-10 which makes it pretty clear that none of us are without sin. That would be in reference to the old man and body which still have the capability or potential of sin; much like Adam did before he fell in Eden.

    We need to differentiate between the inner man; or our hearts and our actions; which express what is going on within us. It is much like a disease which may be present before anyone can diagnose it. The act of sin is a process that starts with allowing our minds to consider something ungodly; and as believers that often is associated with thoughts from Satan or his minions influencing us (such as in Matthew 16:23). In that case we see how what would seem like the best humanitarian approach to a close friend protecting another was against God's greater purposes; which may in Peter's logic have seemed like righteous indignation. Instead; it betrayed his own blindness toward what Christ had repeatedly predicted and was being ignorant of what the Spirit had recently revealed to him about Christ being Lord and Savior. Weaknesses can therefore be either used for God's glory ( 2 Corinthians 12:10) as stated by Paul; or something that can be a repeated snare; as seen by Peter's boasting that he would even die for Christ ( John 13:37). This illustrates once again how we must never lean to our own understanding or strength in boasting.

    Sanctification therefore continually transforms us as we mature in the faith. We are operating in forgiveness for all sins; past present and future IF truly saved. That is crucial for when we do sin we must ask forgiveness ( 1 John 2;1-2); and be restored; reclaiming our blood bought standing. If there is a lifestyle of sin which would mean deliberate repeated actions without any remorse it is evidence that there is no contention between the Spirit and flesh ( Gal. 5:17) and salvation can be questioned. Restoration is only possible if we are truly children of God.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi John Ray.

    If you're going through some trials and declare yourself a wimp, Join the crowd.

    The Apostles had to learn this lesson as well. We see it in the Apostle Peter.

    Our strength is in the Lord.

    Psalms 28:7-8.

    Listen to Paul here in 2 Corinthians 12:9-10. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    God bless you.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Stu,

    You wrote:

    "Why would the Bible call Mary the mother of God " The Virgin Mary" if she was a sinner and besides Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."

    Instead of taking scripture at face value like Psalm 51:5 it seems you prefer to believe your own assumptions. I suspect that you already know that fornication/adultery is sin, and that not all sin is fornication or adultery. So, its very possible for a sinner to a virgin- that describes most teenagers, of which Mary was one. Do you believe its possible for a sinner to not to a certain sin like fornication/adultery? If so then you would agree that a sinful person can be a virgin like Mary.

    Now, for the second part of what you assumed:

    "Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."

    How could you know what God the Father's thought process was? Do you have a scripture that says what you just said that He "would not have" chosen a sinner?

    There is no scripture saying that. But there's plenty of scripture supporting the opposite.

    Paul - killed Christians and had a "thorn" in his side, but chosen to spread the gospel and write much of the Bible.

    Moses - murdered a guy and possibly a speech impediment, but chosen anyway by God.

    David - had a guy killed so he could have an affair with his wife- pretty sick sinful stuff, but God used him anyway.

    Remember how Jesus paid extra attention to the vile and "worst" sinners, like the prostitute, and tax collector, thief, lepers, etc.

    It seems that God actually takes a liking to people who are imperfect sinners.

    Have you ever read this verse?

    "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2 Corinthians 12:9 KJV
  • Jesse - 1 year ago
    Where is paradise? From Luke 23:39-43

    (Part 2):

    Verse 43: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." There have been many discussions over the years as to where paradise is. First of all, it is a Persian word. That is where the word paradise came from. In the New Testament, not only is it here, but it's also found in 2 Corinthians 12:3 where Paul says that he was caught up in the third heaven into paradise.

    And again, in Revelation 2:7, where it is the reward for those overcomers, those that overcome the evil. It is also used in the Greek translation of the Old Testament for the Garden of Eden. It is called PARADISO, paradise, same word! But that doesn't answer the question where is it? Well, right before the term "in paradise" we have the answer. Jesus says you will be with "me" in paradise.

    Wherever Jesus is, it is paradise. Where was Jesus that day or that night or the next day? Wherever Jesus was, the thief on the cross was with Him, and that's paradise.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    True, U4YAH, 'Rapture' is never mentioned in the Bible. The Greek word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is 'harpazo', which means 'to seize, to snatch away'. And we see the word & its application in Scriptures such as Acts 8:39 (of Philip); 2 Corinthians 12:2 (of Paul); & Revelation 12:5 (of Christ). The translators obviously described these events as taken from the Greek word for it, of a physical removing from one place to another.

    Probably in an attempt to apply a more anglicized word to describe it (rather than 'harpazo'), the word 'Rapture' was used in more recent times, from the Latin, 'rapio'. If someone takes offense to using 'rapture', since the word is not found in the Bible, my suggestion has always been, 'then don't use it'. What's more important, is that we understand why this 'snatching away' was mentioned in the Bible & why it is used of believers in Paul's discourse.
  • Sam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Please God intervene here for Jennifer's Mother that the cancer in her body subsides and she been given an extension of quality of life to be a testimony for Your Will. Please Holy Spirit comfort Jennifer and her family during this difficult time I pray in the name of Jesus Christ !!!!!

    Please reflect on 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, 2 Timothy 2:1, Psalms 46:1, Psalm 137:7-8.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Dan Lee, Greetings in Christ! God is able to heal you, but you must be aware that it may not be His will to do it. He allowed this for a reason that benefits you somehow, and you may need to seek ways to better communicate with people, like slowing down your speech. What a witness you would be being a mute who by the grace of God was able to improve their speech.

    The Apostle Paul had a thorn--an ailment that the Bible doesn't reveal...

    2 Corinthians 12:



    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

    9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    The Spiritual Dimension

    ...The life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God..." That is part of Galatians 2:20. His Spirit also testifies with our spirit that we "are children of God" according to Romans 8:16. Scripture cannot be read alone with mental faculties and understood as God's truth unless these realities exist; namely being Born of the Spirit ( John 3:6-8) makes the Word living and active in our hearts ( Hebrews 4:12).

    Scriptural truth also is what separates the God of truth and His angels from the fallen angels and demons that are the ruling principalities and powers of this world in this age ( Ephesians 6:12). Thus; we can experience God whether "in or out of the body" ( 2 Corinthians 12:2) as Paul did and by extension a demonic spiritual "trip" can occur much in the same way.

    Anyone realistically wanting to understand 2 Corinthians 5:8 on being absent from the body; present with the Lord will understand that being in His presence as a believer is overwhelming to the extent that John fell at His feet as though dead ( Revelation 1:17). This is all the more telling since he was the disciple who always was closest to Jesus and even in his own testimony most loved ( John 13:23 and apparently in 4 other verses).

    If we are NOT truly in Christ then there is only the terror of the Lord and of course immediate judgment and condemnation for those who are goats rather than sheep. Thus; those who promote a false gospel even if they were brain dead and came back to life God allows them to continue here for a while for His purposes. It would seem that it is possible as long as a body can be resuscitated for a few minutes that this can occur; that is a far cry from Lazarus being raised from the dead or the Lord Himself.

    In any case, anyone preaching a gospel other than the truth let him be "anathema" ( Galatians 1:8); and that includes angels as well. To know we are hearing from God being saved is a minimum requirement.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord help Frank and his wife through this spiritual attack by the devil. Please Holy Spirit continually guide Frank and his wife in the Bible scriptures that Your spiritual gifts will illuminate through both of them to be a testimony for God's Glory I pray in the name of Jesus Christ !!

    Please consider reflecting on: Psalms 23, Psalms 91, Psalms 139, Philippians 4:12-13, 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, and Matthew 6:33-34.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord God allow opportunities to be access able for Saw Myint Aung find support through this path of living that Saw Myint Aung is experiencing. I pray in Jesus Christ name that Saw Myint Aung comes to accept You Lord Jesus as Savior and the Holy Spirit will flow through with comfort and guidance!!

    I don't know if you have a Bible or access to one, I would recommend this scriptures to reflect on: Psalms 23, 1 Peter 5:5-10, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, Romans 10: 9-13, and Romans 7: 9-25.

    I would also suggest finding a bible based church and support group based in faith in Jesus Christ that studying the bible and do activities that helps others. Idleness is a foothold to the devil.
  • Ronnette Part 1 Galatians 1 on Galatians 1:16 - 2 years ago
    Very nicely explained by Henry in 1710. This chapter speaks so loud to me that there is a need to share. First, the fact that we all know in Acts what happened in Damascus when Paul was converted. Here Paul uses the words to tell the readers in Spiritual way that He is in fact chosen by Jesus Christ 1:1 and became a servant of Christ 1:10. Paul even certified that he received the gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 not from man, but it is indeed by the revelation of Jesus Christ 1 :10-11. To certify something is indeed really deep in any professions. You investigate, you observe, you speak the truth, you have proven without a shadow of a doubt, you interviews people involved, you have all strong evidence, you even travel to a place to find that true evidence, you rely only on facts and the person that has integrity to tell truth. I guess you get the gist. The fact that he went to Arabia (Mt. Sinai) 1:17 God must have told Paul something that only Paul knows. Remember 2 Corinthians 12:1-4? How can you not think Paul is the 12th Apostle with this evidence? That is why 1 Timothy 2:15 tells us to study. Go figure and look at other Bible other than KJV. They removed the word "study". Folks I am not kidding you. There is something real God is telling us today. I would not lie either about this because I sense the urgency to tell this forum for whatever reason God only knows. Anyway, Paul then saw Peter for 15 days 1:18 and imagined the conversations then between Peter and Paul. In Acts Peter is telling everybody WHO they crucified was God. Then Paul revelation was that blood of Jesus Christ will saved the whole world if you believe and trust and have faith on that alone Romans 3:25. Not of works just by faith Ephesians 2:8-9. What a profound revelation. You do not want to be accursed 1:9 outside 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We will be judged according to Paul's gospel Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, 2 Timothy 2:8. I have not even say thekickeronthischapterandIranoutofspace
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Shemika, I'm so sorry this is happening to you. If you are a born-again Christian, faith is enough. Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." 2 Corinthians 12:9"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

    Devote yourself to Him in prayer, Bible reading and study, witness to others, and give Him a tenth of that money you have and of any future money.

    If you are not saved, here's how to take Jesus as your personal Savior.

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.

    God bless you!
  • Tex - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 2 years ago
    Are you referring to the apocrypha as pagan books? If so, evidence is needed. I believe that all books in the KJV 1611 are the word of The Most High God
  • Ronnette on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 2 years ago
    Based on this chapter Paul was in a trance. "Paradise" is mentioned 3X in the Bible. Jesus Christ said this particular word in Luke 23:43.

    Then in Galatians 1:15-17 and Galatians 4:25 Paul went to Arabia where My. Sinai. Does that cross your mind it is just like Moses did. Paul must have seen God and gave Paul the revelation of The Gospel of Jesus Christ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. That was a very different level of understanding (How Jesus died for our sins) VS what the 11 apostles are telling people who Jesus Christ whom the Jews crucified). That is why Pauls's epistles emphasized on trusting the blood as a propitiation as he wrote more about the grace, justification, wisdom, faith, sanctification, redemption, atonement, Charity, mysteries that God may have revealed to him. I am so happy that God gave me the ability and I think it applies to all of us to think and be serious in understanding Jesus Gospel to the Gentiles.

    I am not a Jew, so some messages only applies to the Jewish people in the last days. 2 Timothy 2:15

    Although there are some Jewish people who can be saved today, but God loves Israel who knows already and will know the King of Heaven and earth Jesus Christ today and/or later. They will be saved if they understand the message of God from their fathers when Moses brought them out of the land of Egypt until today. That is why we Gentiles need to be United to help them all.

    Some of you may not understand yet, but most already are on the same page. There is no religion, nor denominations can compete to the people who has the power of God. You know who you are.

    We continue to pray because we want as many people to attend the wedding ceremony in Heaven.

    The only thing I do not like about this site was there are pagan books in it.

    Revelation 2:7

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Mr. David & Heather Lorince, I pray that the Lord lifts you up to a better status and gives you a stable apartment to live in. But sometimes He allows us to remain where we are as He did Paul.

    2 Corinthians 12:7-9

    7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

    8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

    9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    May the Lord's will be done in you and your wife's life.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Hi Chrys, that is a good question and one I have mulled over. I don't claim to be any authority on the subject, but happy to share thoughts.

    Jesus said if you pray in faith to move mountains you can. I don't know if that's literal or figurative. But I believe when we pray, I believe that we can pray in faith, and the answer may be no. Jesus even prayed to the Father to 'let this cup pass from me' to avoid the gruesome murder He was about to receive in order to pay for you and my sins. Matthew 26:39. Considering the outcome I speculate that the answer from God the Father to that prayer was 'no'. And I have no doubt that Jesus prayed in faith. So, my thinking is that if even Jesus can have prayer requests not fulfilled, then its likely that I won't get everything I want either.

    So, I don't think God is a magic genie to give us wishes. Instead I think we exist for God's pleasure.

    More evidence seems to support this, which is other characters in the Bible who had faith and prayed but still had disabilities, hardships. Like Paul had a thorn in the flesh, probably a physical disability. Moses had a speech impediment of some kind and felt insecure about leading the Israelites. God used them all anyway. Remember the verse of Paul saying God's strength is made perfect in our weakness? 2 Corinthians 12:9-10.

    We aren't promised health, wealth, and for perfect lives here. Those who teach prosperity stuff aren't preaching out of the Bible I'm reading. We're promised challenges, hardships, persecution. There are plenty of verses supporting this. Plus this life is extremely short and we don't take anything with us. We won't have these disabilities in the afterlife.

    I'm sorry to hear about your ailment. If its prostate cancer proton therapy actually works.I believe we should continue praying in faith and trusting God for whatever outcome He decides or allows. I also believe more people praying helps. Matthew 18:19-20. God bless.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord God heal William of this affliction. Please open the doctor's eyes on his case to find the cause. Please Holy Spirit enrich William with guidance in biblical scriptures that will comfort him and bring in to closer relationship with You The Divine God Head I pray in the name of Jesus Christ!

    Please consider reflecting on these scriptures: 2 Corinthians 12: 7-10, Psalms 46:1-2, John 16:33, Matthew 6:33-34, Psalms 121, Psalms 91.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord I pray that Q has a personal relationship with you and I ask You Holy Spirit enrich Q with your spiritual gifts that he will have comfort and guidance. Please let opportunities open for Q to have assistance and support that they need I pray in Jesus Name!!

    May I suggest finding a church that has a bible study and seek support there.

    If you have a bible, please consider reflecting on these chapters and scriptures:

    - Psalms 91

    - 1 Chronicles 4: 9-10

    - James 1:2-4

    - Ephesians 6:10-15

    - Philippians 4

    - 2 Corinthians 12: 7-10
  • Ronnette on 2 Corinthians 12:2 - 2 years ago
    4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

    5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

    6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

    7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Agape.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord I pray Your Healing Hand be on Daniel and this affliction he is suffering with. I ask this tumor shrinks and Daniel be a blessing for others for Your Glory I pray in the name of Jesus Christ!!

    Please consider reflection on 1 Peter 5:7, 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, I Chronicles 4:10, Psalms 121.
  • Growing Up Strong with Gods Word - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Read these. Note these verses on the back page of your Bible. It's ok to write in it.

    2 Corinthians 12:10

    Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    2 Corinthians 13:9

    For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.

    Philippians 4:13

    I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

    Deuteronomy 31:6 - Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    Comment: The only way to get strong is to rely on Jesus and the Bible. He is THE WORD OF GOD.

    Mankind's knowledge can only go just so far. FAITH in Jesus can build you up on the inside.

    It only works properly when you ask Him to come and be Your Savior. Read all of John chapter 3. When Jesus is talking about the wind, he is speaking of The indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside of you; in your heart. He teaches you what scripture means.

    There is a link on the red entrance page BECOME A BELIEVER, that will walk you through the steps to Salvation, and Receiving the Holy Spirit. It helps you know what to expect.

    It will grow your Faith. Jesus doesn't fail us. We__fail us. Everyone comes to the Lord the same way. We learn it by feeding on what we learn by reading the Bible, every day.

    I used to read my Bible at lunch and eat the lunch I made. My body was nourished on the food; and my soul and spirit were fed by reading the Bible.

    I promise that you'll get stronger every day. Think about attending church services. One that teaches Bible; not psychology. Come back here for fellowship, often.
  • John anonymous - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 12 - 2 years ago
    "...I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me..." John 17:9


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