Discuss 2 Esdras 6

@daniel you wrote:

"There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period"

Have you given consideration to Matthew 24:22 ?

And after you do consider that precedes Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."

Mark 13:20 reads the same

He loves you. He wants you to live in heaven with Him, forever. He already paid for your being able to accept His invitation.

He's not willing that any one person should die eternally. He's ready to save everybody right now.

In 2 Peter 3, you will see that which global mankind is fearful of, is going to happen on Earth. It is NOT global warming. Time is ticking down, and the earth is on "pre warm" much like an oven we preheat for our pizza.

It's happening now and global leaders are trying to force us to believe they have answers on how to stop it. They cannot! This warming is ordained by God. Recorded in the Bible.

Excerpt from 2 Peter 3:9-13

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent HEAT, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being ON FIRE shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent HEAT?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for NEW heavens and a NEW earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Making Jesus your Savior and Lord is the only way to escape this. Trust Jesus today. We all did.

Could you survive 7 years of Gods wrath: little food, no fresh water. Falling stars slamming into earth; asteroids and global wars with nukes.

YouTube movie: BLESSON TRIBULATION MOVIE

Streetpreacher

No! but we are in the 5th Trumpet sound whereby all 5 seals are being poured out on the earth.

We are getting close to a One World Government but not 7 yrs close (IMO) biblical prophecy not yet fulfilled.

The answer comes down to the question: Will the Church Go Through the Tribulation?

No. The New Testament Church, the Body of Christ, will NOT go through the Tribulation period. By "Tribulation" I am referring to the Biblically prophesied 7-year time period (referred to in the Bible as "the time of Jacob's trouble"). This 7-year period precedes the Millennial reign of Christ. It is during this 7-year period that the Antichrist (the Beast) will rule the world, leading up to the Battle of Armageddon at the end. The Antichrist will be a 100% Satan possessed individual.

The Beast system is being formed today, which is often referred to as the "New World Order." The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. Rather, the Apostle Paul stated in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-18...

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Carefully notice that Paul's message was intended to "COMFORT one another." If the Church was going to go through the horrible atrocities of the Tribulation, then these words certainly wouldn't be very comforting. Also, it is important to note that God wouldn't destroy the wicked in Noah's day until Noah and his family were all safely aboard the ark. Not one drop of rain fell until Noah and his family were on the ark, and God had shut the door. Afterwards, the rains fell and the wicked were utterly destroyed.

As much as it may seem...we're not in the tribulation yet...but I believe we are in the last days.

I think we will see the beginning of tribulation. There is more insight in the Book of Revelation.

* Matthew 24, Luke 21, and the Parable of the Ten Virgins, told by Jesus.

So if it happens during the SEVEN TRUMPETS__we will see difficult happenings.

*if we keep our eyes on this and current events on news channels (Erik Stacklebeck) who reports news in Israel, we will not be caught unaware. "Jerusalem Post" news has too many aggressive advertisements now.

Do you believe that we are now in Tribulations? That we only have 7 years left on earth? Then the Rapture takes place.

Thank you.

Hello Veronica. We don't have a lot of information on extra-biblical books such as Esdras & others, as they were written either in the inter-testamental period (OT Apocrypha) or in the post-biblical period (NT Apocrypha). Esdras is said to have been written in the former, by the prophet Ezra, but this is not certain, as some claim that it was a post-NT writing.

As part of the other NT Apocrypha writings, we also find the Gospel of Barnabas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, the Traditions of Mathias, & many many others. There are some truths in them, but also much that is untrue, therefore they have not been allowed into the Canon of Scripture. Anyone reading them, needs to be very discerning, always comparing what they read with what is written in the Books of the Bible, pertaining to their relevance under the Old or the New Covenants of God.

where did this book come from

Short answer ,It wasn't added because it wasn't appealing to the Heathen .The Apocrypha tells you exactly who ESAU is.. However, shout-out to Biblical Israel ( Isaiah 11:12:And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the Dispersed of JUDAH from the four corners of the earth.). Our redemption is near . (Baruch 2:30 For I knew that they would not hear me, because it is a stiffnecked people: but in the land of their Captivities they shall remember themselves.) HalleluYah. P.s. shout-out to the Gentiles who accept and preach Truth.

Yes Gavin, 1 & 2 Esdras are not included in the Canon of Holy Scripture because they, alongwith some other writings, did not meet the strict criteria for their inclusion. I believe that the Roman Catholic Bible doesn't include 1 & 2 Esdras either, but they are found in some Greek Orthodox, Episcopal & Lutheran Bibles. And these Esdras books & others are considered apocryphal, which means, "hidden", & were rejected for their dubious authority, authors & events.

Esdras is not the holy bible 66 books kjv. is this the catholic books the apocrypha?

Leviathan cannot be Lucifer because 2Esdra 6:52 says that he is kept to be devoured if whom thou wilt and when. Compare that to Psalm 74:14.

The scriptures show that Leviathan is a creature to be used for food

God his a wonderful workmanship to creating life in this universe how he speaks its and it come to life.yeah let their be light and let their be darks and it was os extra- extra Prays be to the most hight Father yah 1.Bless

Enoch walked with God. He was taken to heaven without suffering death.

You're talking about Apocrypha books that we're not allowed into the King James Bible.

Nimrod started a whole snake pit of evil; and the Chaldeans. There is nothing but trouble reading of those things. I was rescued out of the occult, and principalities and the demonic do not need to be studied by Christians! They will try to steal your soul. Leave it alone.

The Book of Enoch is not the Enoch that was taken to heaven.

There's too much other wonders to study in the BIBLE. Next you'll be writing us asking about huge invisible creatures that levitate beds with you in it; and worse.

Let's start with scripture.

2 Esdras 6:47-52 your reference

Genesis 1:20-22 * one translation of the Bible I recently read: instead of "whales" says "Monster/s" , Jerusalem Bible translation says"great serpents", NIV says "great creatures " , Jubilee Bible 2000 translation says "And GOD created the great dragons" several other translations say "great sea creatures". = (Huge water creatures.)

My 1st thought is the " dinosaur" namely "Brachiosaurus" & "Brontosaurus" [quotes- for names today?]

Job 40:15 , Job 40:15-24,

Job 41:1-10 Leviathan

Bel and the Dragon 1:23-28

Genesis 5:24, Jude 1:14, Hebrews 11:5,

Linage to CHRIST Luke 3:37

Opinion : Is Enoch symbolism for Huge in The Faith?

Sorry...forgot to paste in the scriptures for my last question about Enoch and Leviathan:

Upon the fifth day thou saidst unto the seventh part, where the waters were gathered that it should bring forth living creatures, fowls and fishes: and so it came to pass.

48For the dumb water and without life brought forth living things at the commandment of God, that all people might praise thy wondrous works.

49Then didst thou ordain two living creatures, the one thou calledst Enoch, and the other Leviathan;

50And didst separate the one from the other: for the seventh part, namely, where the water was gathered together, might not hold them both.

51Unto Enoch thou gavest one part, which was dried up the third day, that he should dwell in the same part, wherein are a thousand hills:

52But unto Leviathan thou gavest the seventh part, namely, the moist; and hast kept him to be devoured of whom thou wilt, and when.

Who are the two "living creatures" God created in the scriptures below? If this "creation" is chronological--as it appears to be, then Adam was created AFTER this Enoch and Leviathan. I think I know who Leviathan is (Lucifer?), but WHO is Enoch?

Premature babies could not survive thousands of years ago, Uriel is clearly referring to these last days when science and technology allows babies to live and therefore 'leap and jump about'. Also he predicts that 'Fire shall break out in many places'; we are clearly at the beginning of the end times folks !

There is no healing America otherwise known as Babylon the great! According to prophecy it is going to receive ICBMs from Russia and China and be nuked out of existence. Read Isaiah 13 and 14 Ezekiel 25.

This is the end of reign of the wicked. Esau-Edom are finished. The American empire is crumbling! A nation that was established on the genocide of the so called native Indians (Israelites of the northern kingdom) Then built on the backs of so called blacks (Israelites of the southern kingdom) during the transatlantic slave trade. 2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.

This truth does not need constituency to be relevant and as far as what you think I'm eluding to....IT'S WRITTEN...!

Satan and his serpent seed is always carousing...

MATTHEW 15:24- " I was sent ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."

ROMANS 9:3- 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

1 MACCABEES 3:48 - And laid open the book of the Law, wherein The heathen had sought to paint the likeness of their images.

MALACHI 3:6 - For I am the Lord, I change not: therefore ye sonnes of Iacob are not consumed.

2 ESDRAS 6:56-:59

ISAIAH 40:15-17

Now, there are many point of views that an individual can conjure, I let the Bible tell me who is who...how come you folks wont let YAHUSHA have his real image instead of Biblical leprousy? This is what I would like to hear from you...!

Why is enoch used and not behemoth in esdras II chapter 6 verse 49?

It is the case.

it is about the portion of the tmh, his inheritance is his people first.

the nations will be judged for it!!

deut 30

He is taking to Esdras. And this is saying any nation outside of the ISRAELITES are compared to spit. Isaiah 40:17 says the same thing. The text in 2 Esdras 6:55-56 it gets more specific about who GOD is NOT call spit

@ Charlie

The Most High is talking about the other nations. Whoever is not a part of The Twelves of Israel. The Most High only cares about The Children of Israel. He does not care about the other nations. That is why He has likened their abundance to spittle and a drop.

Supporting Precept ( Isaiah 40:17)

Yes we all come from Adam but as Esdras writes in, 2 Esdras 6:56

"As for the other people which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like vnto spittle, and hast likened the abundance of them vnto a drop that falleth from a vessell." God does not care for the other nation because he will return for his lost Tribes

So who did Esther marry? Boaz? You err not knowing the scriptures, you understand through the lusts of your flesh.

You want to explain these statutes? Leviticus 22:10-13, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, & Deuteronomy 23:7-8

I think you have not read yet 2 Ezra which is 2 Esdras in the apocrypha. After reading Ezra, 1 Esdras, and Esther (both books and in order) then you need to read 2 Esdras. God did not answer them, he was not with them, he never responded to Nehemiah's cry for Him to come and dwell with them, yet there was no answer. They were never saved from captivity by going back to the land trying to rebuild a house to the Lord. They rebelled against his captivity and he tells Ezra to tell the people there that they need to go their way (2 Esdras 1:4-9). They thought the burden of the Lord (the reason he didn't come) was because of the stranger wives ( Jeremiah 23:25-40 & Lamentations 2:14). So they put them and their children away. They were wrong. Listen to the prophets he proclaimed came from him (2 Esdras 1:38-39). 2 Esdras 2:1-17, 2 Esdras 2:33-48, 2 Esdras 3:23-4:2, 2 Esdras 5:16-19, 2 Esdras 6:57-59, Psalm 127:1. Either be in captivity still or seek the Lord with all your heart and soul and He will release unto you the wisdom and understanding of His word through your spirit. 2 Chronicles 6:29-33, Ezekiel 47:21-33, Isaiah 56:1-8, etc. etc. there is so much more... Christ comes in the full volume of the book, do not add nor take away. Cherry picking scriptures is of the false teachers who have come to deceive and the Word of God is not in them.

1 cor. 15:18....... Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death. We muat come to repentance. We must keep the laws statutes and Commandments in ordinances of the most high. John 14:15 if you love me you will keep my Commandments. Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law. The word end in the the Strong's Concordance means purpose or aim. He is coming back for his ELECT, ROMANS 11:7.. come to repentance in accordance with the word John 14:6 and you will not die the second death , you will be changed to Spirit and put on immortality.All praises to the Yahawah bahasham Yahawahshi. . See 2 Esdras 6:54-56. The children of Israel are Hebrews the abrahamic Covenant of Genesis 17 and 7 says if you will keep my law statutes Commandments in ordinances I will be your God and you will be my people. The 12 tribes of Israel all people of color only. According to Revelation 21 + 12 the Kingdom of Heaven is only Built For The 12 Tribes of Israel only. The letter J does not exist in the Hebrew language I'll father's name yahawah means he is he exists in Hebrew. Yahawahshi in hebrew means he is our salvation and deliver.er. Deuteronomy 28 48 + 49 the children of Israel was sent into slavery was a yoke of iron upon their neck. Only slaves ever had a yoke of iron around their neck that's a people of color. Revelation 1:15 Daniel 10:6 the son of man has skin that is liking until bronze burned in a furnace which is a dark brown skin man. This is the truth John 14:6 of these scriptures. Revelation 5:5 the son of man is no doubt the root of David tribe of Judah. Revelation 2:9 I know thy works thy tribulation and thy poverty but Thou Art rich and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not for they are synagogue of Satan see also Revelation 3:9.

56As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.

WHO IS GOD TALKING TO AND WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY THIS VERSE.

1 John 1: 8-10