Discuss 2 Kings 13

Chris,

Part 3

I hope even though you may not agree, you can make sense of my replies. I would like to tell you I do not Have anything in common with JW or their translation of the bible.

My understanding we are mortal beings and no part of us is immortal. I see the spirit as our breath/life that goes back to God when we die, Ecclesiastes 11:7 and Scripture tell us the soul can die, Ezekiel 18:4 Matthew 10:28 Hebrew 9:27. Like Paul said of David being dead in the tomb and has not ascended to heaven, Acts 2:34. We do not put on immortality until the resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:53-54.

Bear with me my Greek is kindergarten level, arche the beginning or origin I see it maybe a little differently I understand God the Father as the Creator as in Genesis 1:1 and Psalm 19:1. I believe in the plan of God Jesus was first and as in Romans 4:17 Jesus was in Gods eyes in the womb of Mary and then the angels and all the counsel of heaven then the earth and all that was to be.

In Genesis 17:5 when God renamed Abram to Abraham God said, "for the father of many nations I have made thee". It was not Abraham will become a father of many nations it was already done in the plan of God.

"Firstborn of every creature and the firstborn from the dead" Jesus was the firstborn, Jesus being the first in God's plan would make Him the firstborn, and Jesus is the firstborn of the dead. There were people brought back from the dead like in 2 Kings 13:21 the guy was thrown into Elisha's tomb and when his body touched Elisha's bone he came back to life and stood up, and we see the ones in the New Testament. No one who died before Jesus who came back to life died again Jesus was the first to overcome death.

Jesus is the firstborn of the dead because He had no sin and death could not hold Him and when Jesus rose He rose in a glorified body never to die again, Revelation 1:18. That is what we look forward to when we are resurrected.

See part 4 sorry I am slow.

Genesis 10:22-23

The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

Genesis 22:21

Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram,

Numbers 23:7

And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel. [Moab is east of Israel]

1 Chronicles 1:17

The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.

1 Chronicles 2:23

And he took Geshur, and Aram, with the towns of Jair, from them, with Kenath, and the towns thereof, even threescore cities. All these belonged to the sons of Machir the father of Gilead.

1 Chronicles 7:34

And the sons of Shamer; Ahi, and Rohgah, Jehubbah, and Aram.

Matthew 1:3-4

And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

Luke 3:33

Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

Aram also known as Aramea, was a historical region including several Aramean kingdoms covering much of the present-day Syria, southeastern Turkey, and parts of Lebanon and Iraq

Aram, Ancient country, Middle East, southwestern Asia. It extended eastward from the Anti-Lebanon Mountains to beyond the Euphrates River.

So the bands from Aram stopped raiding Israel's territory. Some time later, Ben-Hadad king of Aram mobilized his entire army and marched up and laid siege to Samaria.

Today it's part of Syria Jordan Israel Lebanon.

You'll have to Google ancient Bible Maps to see the areas described.

The second question for 2 Kings Chapter 13, from where did Aram come? Not in verse 17, 18, nor 19 was it mentioned.

Hi Haold, or maybe, Harold. That's a difficult question to answer, as we are not told an exact number of people resurrected. Some that come to mind from the Old & New Testaments are: Widow of Zarephath's son ( 1 Kings 17:9-24); Shunammite woman's son ( 2 Kings 4:8-37); an unnamed man ( 2 Kings 13:20,21); Widow of Nain's son ( Luke 7:11-17); Jairus' daughter ( Luke 8:49-56); Lazarus ( John 11:1-45); of course, our Lord Jesus Christ (Luke chapter 24); an unknown number of saints buried in Jerusalem ( Matthew 27:50-54); Tabitha ( Acts 9:36-42); Eutychus ( Acts 20:7-12).

Hi Peter. That is a good observation which not many pick up on & one that has come up previously on this Site. We're not given any clear indication as to why the name, Jehoahaz, is also referred to as Ahaziah. Both names are clearly in the Hebrew text, so this isn't a transcription error that we're dealing with.

The possible reason I see, is based on the same meaning of both names, which is, "Yah has grasped". It might seem strange that what appears as two entirely different names can have the same meaning. It probably appears more apparent to the Hebrew speaker, but I learn that the elements of words (i.e. slightly changing the letters within the words), gives forth another name but still retaining its intended meaning. Now why did the writer do this? One can only guess, but I feel that since Jehoahaz is also a king (son of Jehu of the kingdom of Israel: 2 Kings 13:8,9), maybe it was felt it would be prudent to avoid a mistaken identity, though unfortunately, creating some confusion to us non-Hebrew readers. Even though the Jehoahaz of Israel reigned 15 to 20 years after Jehoahaz of Judah, continual reference to those kings by the same name may have brought confusion, hence Ahaziah being referred to a Judah's king. Just my thoughts.

As well, we do have many instances of name changes in the Bible, though I'm unsure whether they still retained the same meaning, probably not. E.g. Daniel - Belteshazzar; Dorcas - Tabitha; Esther - Hadassaah; Jedediah - Solomon; Gideon - Jerub-baal.

2 Timothy 2:15

Please also read 2 Kings 3, 2 Kings 12, 2 Kings 13, 2 Kings 14:1-3, pay very close attention to the differences because in these accounts it clarifies who the scripture refers to by details not necessarily the "name of the individual" there are very similar names buth differences in Jerusalem, Israel, Syria, differences in parents & even who they fought against. Significant details that should help you break down for truth. Please note also in 2 Kings the reigning of the son clearly seems to overlap as you described. Just like King David when he was still alive & sick, yet they both would retain "title". 2 Kings 13:1,9,

2 Kings 9:1-9, 2 Kings 9:11-12 King of Israel, Jehu. 2 Kings 9:14-16, Jehu "conspired against Joram. (Hazel king of Syria)

vrs 16. * Ahaziah king of Judah * 2 Kings 9:21, 2 Kings 9:22-24, 2 Kings 9:27,28 details buried in City of David. 2 Kings 9:29,

2 Kings 8:7-15 "Hazael king of Syria" same guy? 2 Kings 10:31-32, 2 Kings 34-36,

2 Kings 8:16-24,

2 Kings 8:25-29, 22 yrs old Ahaziah over Jerusalem 1 yr,

* 2 Kings 11:1-4 son of Ahaziah, keep reading 2 Kings 11:5-21, * (Son in biblical terms goes many generations) example: John 8:39

This may be the account that clarifies the distinction you're looking for.

1 Kings 22:51-53 details, 2 yrs over Israel Ahaziah,

Hopefully this is helpful

1st The Bible isn't written in our translations in chronological order. I noticed significant situations like that in Daniel & Ezekiel, while studying recently. It takes really getting into the WORD in deep study to get amazing revelations of dates, related events, truly significant events & people that affected much. 2 Timothy 2:15,

2 Kings 13:1 - 23rd year of Joash._.Jehoahaz begins reign +17 yrs, total for reign) over Israel in Samaria, 2 Kings 13:9 begins Joash son of Jehoahaz, Israel in Samaria) reign, 2 Kings 3:10 *37 th yr of (Joash, King of Judah ) so here the scripture purposeful shows 3 yrs difference in the dates. But search, math reasoning gets us there. I believe you noticed these because you're very observant & the HOLY Spirit may be teaching you.

Joash stil reigning in 37th year,over Judah, Jehoahaz in final three years of reign, as per vrs 1., like King Solomon appointed King as son while King David is still King & alive. 2 Kings 13:10 clarifies reign with the 'eh' in name interesting names in Bible have variations due to translation like Elijah from Old to New Tstmt. However GOD is Awesome with details to clarify who, by those. I've even wondered if there were two sons of Jehoahaz, 2 Kings 13:12 clarifies fought Amaziah King of Judah (son Joash) , 2 Kings 13:13 buried with Kings of Israel (not Judah) 1611 Version has marker at beginning vrs 14. Showing significant difference in paragraph or page, translater notes to start new thought/or similar) it states He died of his sickness, stating he wouldn't survive it. He was visiting Elisha in his last days, weeping. Amazingly GOD has this account for all who doubt the Power of GOD & HIS annointing. 2 Kings 13:20-21, Note vrs 22, jumps back again. 2 Kings 12:20-21, 2 Kings 13:12, 2 Kings 12:19, 2 Kings 14:1-3,

Hopefully these are helpful, the other details around the names help us study & really understand.

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If Joash died in verse 13 and Elisha died in verse 14, how is Elisha talking to Joash in Verse 14 ? Can someone explain this?

13 And Joash slept with his fathers; and Jeroboam sat upon his throne: and Joash was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel.

14 Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.

15 And Elisha said unto him, Take bow and arrows. And he took unto him bow and arrows.

Hi Eric.

Stay with it Eric sometimes we find out answers when we are least expecting it, and often in another book of the Bible, your diligence will be rewarded.

Have a blessed day and stay in contact.

There is time play here. Joash dies and his son Jeroboam takes his place. Then after it goes back in time when Elisha died and Joash at his bed side. Also Joash and Jehoash is the same person. This chapter was confusing to me.

Resurrection means, a person who has died has his body (or, remains) physically raised from the grave without any human contribution, i.e. the body rises up & comes to life by God's Power.

In that passage you've quoted, Jesus was speaking with the Sadducees (a religious sect of the Jews) who didn't believe in the resurrection. They wanted to test Jesus about the after life as to which wife of the many a man had married, would be his wife when they all rose from the dead. Jesus told them that human marriage is an earthly union & such marriages don't figure in Heaven. Of those who were resurrected, we of course have Jesus Himself Who rose up from the dead & ascended back to God proving that His Sacrifice for mankind's sins were completed & fully acceptable to God Who had planned for this to happen. Then after Jesus' resurrection, many of those righteous people who had died earlier also arose from their graves & walked among the people (see Matthew 27:51-53).

The Bible tells us that the next occasion of a resurrection will be in the future when Jesus comes to take away His people including raising up His people who have died ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) & note the word 'sleep' is a euphemism for those who've already died. And again, after the Great Tribulation (a horrible time of the outpouring of God's Anger upon the world) there will be another general resurrection (read Revelation chapter 20).

There are also instances where someone has died & they have come to life in the Old Testament: 1 Kings 17:17-24; 2 Kings 4:32-37; 2 Kings 13:21 and we have instances in the New Testament of people being brought back to life by Jesus or His disciples.

Verse 21- this was proof that it was Jehovah God’s power and not Elisha’s power that performed the miracles Elisha had accomplished.

2 kings 13:21, wow!! elisha's dead bones revives a dead man's body back to life just through contact, God's power is always alive in our lives ( ephesians 3:20) all the time not only to provide solutions to our own lives when in need but also for others as well, our confession and tith/offering is a form of contact with GOD ( proverbs 18:21

Exodus 2:25
“And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.”
2 Kings 13:23
“And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet.”

Exodus 2:25
“And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.”
2 Kings 13:23
“And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet.”

21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Elisha received a double anointing of Elijah as he was taken up by a whirlwind of chariots of fire and horses. Even at death, Elisha still had God's ano

I love scripture Kings 2 13:17. When Joash shoots the Arrows of deliverance from Syria. I recieved a vision of Arrows coming from heaven for all of Gods children. But if there was any doubt the arrow fell right from the sky. I saw some arrows floating above some people breakthrough , but God just wants us to press! Thank you Lord for your divine nature!

A different vision King Jehoash II Kings 13:14 Now Elisha had been suffering from the illness from which he died. Jehoash king of Israel went down to see him and wept over him. My father, my father he cried. The chariots and horsemen of Israel. The parallel between this verse and the one in which Elijah is taken to heaven? Elisha was dying. Who goes to visit him? The king of Israel. Jehoash, whose name means disobedient. He cries over Elisha and says: My father! My Father! The chariots and horsemen of Israel, the very same expression used by Elisha when Elijah was ascending. There is a big difference between them. Jehoash wanted something from Elisha, but he didn t have the same spirit. He did not know nor imitate the attitudes and behavior of Elisha. He did not know Elisha throught, since he never followed him nor was his disciple. The only thing that Jehoash knew was that Elisha was a prophet, and when he opened his mouth the words spoken really happen.! Jehoash went to see the prophet only to rid himself from his afflictions. Israel was being defeated in war after war.

2kings 13 v14 i am blessed, poeple they dont believe that there is power in the name of jesus , miracle happened by touching the bone of a man of god what about the hands of living man of god

The saviour mentioned in 1 King 13:5 can be found in verse 25. The new king Jehoash repossessed every lands that the king of Syria took from them, so Israel lived in peace for a while.

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