Discuss 2 Samuel 17

Hello Doug. The Bible doesn't specifically deal with the subject of suicide though there are many verses to explore which can certainly help those who have reached the lowest ebb in their lives. I will share a few biblical examples of those who did suicide & also verses to encourage & give hope to those who have lost all hope.

Examples to read about: Judges 9:50-54; 2 Samuel 17:21-23; 1 Kings 16:15-19; Matthew 27:3-5.

Verses of encouragement: Psalm 6:6-9; Psalm 31:9-16; Psalm 33:18-22; Psalm 94:17-19; 1 Corinthians 10:13; 1 Peter 5:7.

Hi Victor. I believe that it was jealousy & then revenge that caused Joab to kill Amasa. If you read 2 Samuel 17:25, you'll see that Amasa was made "captain of the host instead of Joab" by Absalom. Then 2 Samuel 19:13, King David confirmed Amasa's position "continually in the room of Joab". So, as soon as Joab got the chance, he took Amasa by surprise as Amasa didn't expect Joab to be approaching him with an evil intent & was murdered in cold blood (Joab was part of Abishai's army). Thus Joab's revenge for not being made captain of the host was fulfilled.

Did you notice? David feared GOD & would not lay his hand on GOD's anointted & felt remorseful for cutting Saul's garment.

1 Samuel 24:4,5,6 , 1 Samuel 24:10,

Saul also ripped Samuel's garment 1 Samuel 15:27 however 1 Samuel 15:28-29. Even after remorseful repentance 1 Samuel 15:29,30,35

Do think the significance of the clothing was a factor? 1 Samuel 2:19, His mother's sacrifice 1 Samuel 1:28

Saul pursued David to kill him: 1 Samuel 19:1,10,11,15,

& Saul ordered the prophets of GOD killed, possibly unarmed, their families, livestock & nursing babies included.; 1 Samuel 22:17,18,19 Same Saul that left the enemy King & livestock alive in disobedience to GOD's orders. 1 Samuel 15:1,2,3,8,9,

Psalms 105:15

David's mercy 2 Samuel 9:3-7,

David's sin & judgement: 2 Samuel 12:7,9,11,12,14,18, 2 Samuel 13:1,6,7,8,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,28,29,30,31,32, after years 2 Samuel 14:25,30,31,32, 2 Samuel 15:6,10,12,13,14,16,23,30,31, 2 Samuel 16:3,5,6,7,8,11,13,22, 2 Samuel 17:21,23,29, 2 Samuel 18:5,7,9,10,12,14,15,17,20,27,32,33, 2 Samuel 19:1-4, "the sword did not depart from his house" etc. There were more scriptures about his consequences _.

Queen Vashti, consequence Ester 1:19, Ester 2:4

Saul then 1 Samuel 28:3,7,18,19

David has Psalms of remorseful repentance, gives glory to GOD ALMIGHTY, shows mercy & humility at times. With Saul he shows remorse but didn't read much of repentance, etc.

However the Bible says: 1 Colossians 1:20,

Job 12:16

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Praise the Lord in His wisdom. The Lord used people from other nations to take care of David and his household V 27- 29 as they escaped from Absalom.

God is all powerful and can turn the heart of kings. Prov 21:1. Thank you Lord for reminding us of your gracious love and and daily benefits.

Verse 23~Ahithophel betrayed David and he ended up committing suicide and later Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and also committed suicide. Betrayal is not a quality that we want to ever have.

v 23 "..and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried.." See the resemblance to Judas Iscariot? Only Judas apparently didn't even care about his house and those he would leave behind! So the end of the DAMNED TRAITOR! Once a friend, but in the end a wicked backstabbing murderer! Oh, but he was an orderly and thoughtful man! (sarcasm)

7-16 Here is a good example of how God entices the wicked by their own wickedness and draws them into His net those who spread a net for Him. The LORD has prepared the means by which HE WILL destroy the wicked and the traitors: and in that plan is our part to get ready for what comes, and let them chase us to draw them into the snare that God has set for them. The LORD will deliver us and save us!

Naomi's, this means to put one's personal affairs in order. To make or confirm a will and burial plans also to provide for a spouse and other relatives or primary get right with God etc. Praise God in the highest through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Do not do bad because as we learn in this Chapter, to do evil brings physical death and spiritual death. Instead, we must do right.
If we advance to the bottom of the king by God because of pride, as did Absalom, who are we? Very wise? No. But, if we advance to the bottom, we should not worry. We must simply learn to accept our position before God and not fight against God. But that was the Downfall of Absalom and Ahithophel. They were full of pride and they couldn't accept their situation before God which is wicked sinners.
But if we do what is right, justice and equity, we will become very great in the sight of God, even if we did something very wrong in our past. God always GIVES us second chances. We are just what God made us.