Discuss 2 Samuel 5

"King David's tower of Armour "

Song of Solomon 4:4, possibly: 2 Samuel 5:9-12, 1Chronicles 11:7, 1Chronicles 15:1,

See: 2 Samuel 8, were some of the things he gotten,

Note: 1Kings 7:51, 1Chronicles 18:8,11,

* 1Chronicles 22, whole chapter

Hi Shellon. I'm unsure which period of David's reign you're thinking of, but 2 Samuel 5:9-13 indicates that his throne was in Jerusalem, and he called it "the city of David". Even the king of Tyre, hearing about the greatness of David, sent lumber & workers to build this house for him. So, one could safely assume that David & his large family lived here.

God doesn't need possessions as we understand it, 'having or owning things' that are necessary for our survival or happiness. In Psalm 50:10, God says: "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills." God owns all things He has created, even the special called-out people (first Israel, then those who've come to faith in Christ) & also that special city Jerusalem (Zion). Psalm 87:2-3 says, "The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God." According to this verse, Zion is synonymous with City of God, and it is a place that God loves. Zion is Jerusalem.



Zion is first mentioned in 2 Samuel 5:7. Zion was originally an ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem. After David's conquest of the fortress, Jerusalem became a possession of Israel. The royal palace was built there, and Zion/Jerusalem became the seat of power in Israel's kingdom. When Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the meaning of Zion included the temple area ( Psalm 2:6; Psalm 48:2,11,12; Psalm 132:13). Therefore, the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:6, "Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God."

Zion is also used in a spiritual sense in Scripture. In the Old Testament, Zion refers figuratively to Israel as the people of God ( Isaiah 60:14). In the New Testament, Zion refers to God's spiritual kingdom: Hebrews 12:22. Peter, quoting Isaiah 28:16, refers to Christ as the Cornerstone of Zion ( 1 Peter 2:6).

Mount Zion, as a geographical area, is now the focus of much dispute (mainly between Jews & Muslims). The Bible is clear that one day Zion will be the sole possession of the Lord Jesus, and Zion, both the nation and the city, will be restored. ( Isaiah 52:1; Isaiah 60:14). When Jesus returns to Earth, His rule will be from Jerusalem ( Zechariah 14:1-4; Luke 1:32,33). I hope you can see why Zion is so important & especially significant in God's Eyes as a special City of God (on Earth).

The statement of 2 Samuel 5:8 about destroying those who are blind and lame is in contrast to this statement here about the welfare of Mephibosheth. It clearly shows that the issue wasn't David's obsessive hatred of those with disabilities; but other issues. Namely, in this case for "Jonothan's sake" (v. 1) David had sought out the one remaining descendant who hadn't been killed. He regarded himself as a "dead dog" in verse 8; interestingly; King David also had previously referred to himself when Saul pursued him as that and a flea.

The reference to blind and lame could be symbolic in the earlier chapter of a weak defence. There are also explanations given of those who were symbolically that way due to idol worship. The third explanation is that the lame and blind themselves were mocking David; and thus still wicked in God's sight. As to ceremonial laws; that has passed since N.T. times. Nonetheless; we do best to avoid "political correctness" in assuming that those with disabilities can't exhibit the same wicked patterns as the rest of the world. Jesus warned the paralytic who He healed not to sin again so that "something worse would happen to him" ( John 5:6-14). That verse may indicate that sin DIRECTLY led to his condition originally; or indirectly. The absolute meaning of course; indicates that eternal damnation exists for all estranged from Christ.

May we all be edified as the challenge of study of difficult scriptures are examined; following the exhortation of 2 Tim 3:16.

Luke 3:23 is the clearest reference to Christ's age when He began public ministry. That was the age; traditionally when according to 2 Samuel 5:4 David began to reign. We need to remember that Christ in all ways had to be as we were; but without sin. Obedience to parents meant that He grew in "wisdom and stature". He also "learned obedience" according to some other verses. How the incarnate Son of God became of "no reputation" in order to stand in and be our Redeemer may be beyond our comprehension; but it is so.

Christ would be of "no reputation" ( Philippians 2:7 etal). To be truly a Rabbi; He also was fulfilling an age requirement; as He was Prophet; King and Priest. When the Spirit came down on Him as a dove; and He went out thenceforth to be tempted of the Devil ( Matthew 4:1) then He began the inevitable course of ministry leading Him to the cross. This shows also the value of His family; as we can see when basically He told John to take care of His mother at the crucifixion. Nonetheless; at 12 years old He showed who He would become. It is certain that as John also indicated; that if everything were to be told of Him all the world's books couldn't contain it. It is also true that much spurious material of the sol called "missing years" were allowed by God so that only those who truly hear His voice would respond; and also foreknew the 66 books that would result in the accepted Canon. It doesn't deny that some truths exist that are pieces of the original text from Enoch's prophecy; for instance, nor make all of Satan's statements something we should follow; but ensures that they have been faithfully recorded.

We also have the Apostle Paul and what Christ said to him; as well as John at Patmos (not to mention Pentecost before He rose from the dead). There is also the "Cristophone" occuring with the Angel of God in the O.T. He is eternal; and now risen!

Amen.

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New Revised Standard Version

The king and his men marched to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who said to David, "You will not come in here, even the blind and the lame will turn you back"-thinking, "David cannot come in here."

Hello Tonya. Psalm 68 is a wonderful Psalm of praise & victory. King David composed it probably based on the retrieval of the Ark of the Covenant from the house of Obed-edom back to Jerusalem ( 2 Samuel 6:12), after David fought the Philistines to get to where the Ark was being stored. It was an extremely joyous time for all that the Ark was now back in Jerusalem, especially for David, who "danced before the LORD with all his might", probably ahead of a great procession of musicians & dancers.

Then to Psalm 68:11: "The LORD gave the word"; could well be the time when David enquired from the LORD, "Shall I go up to the Philistines?" (i.e. to fight against them to gain passage to recover the Ark - 2 Samuel 5:19). And the LORD said, "Go up".

"...great was the company of those that published it". There was a large group/procession of singers, musicians & dancers that helped bring home this great news of the Ark's recovery, heard by all from the noise of their celebrations (cf Psalm 68:25). And the Hebrew word that is seen for this particular company, is in the feminine gender, indicating that as was common in eastern celebrations, the women took the lead in those occasions (especially in song & dance). And remember, this was not the intimate dancing we see today on a dance floor, but dancing on the streets with joy before the Lord, stirring the hearts of the people to praise Him for this great deliverance, recovery & blessing.

what does this mean?

2 Samuel Chapter 5: 6

Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither: thinking, David cannot come in hither.

In verse 19 we see that David was not presumptuous with Jehovah God. He sought direction from him and we want to do the same in our lives.

Hello Patricia,

In this second battle at Rephaim, God told King David to take his soldiers to the back of the enemy's camp with the tactic to surround them after they start the attack. But they were not to start attacking until God gave the signal. The signal was when the birds fly off the Mulberry trees. A flock of birds usually fly up from the tops of trees

Exactly what is 2 Samuel 5:24 mean please. Was in a daily devotion I totally do not understand this at all. What is the reference to "the tops of the mulberry trees" mean thanks.

The whole thing means what?

mulberry trees. We had a mulberry tree in our front yard when I was a kid. There had green berries about the size of a dime. They were good for shooting in my slingshot. No good for eating but good ammo.

CH 3:14 - the name of "Shammua" should be "Shammuah"

What jumps out at me here, is how amazing God and his ways past finding out, no doubt he could have went before him head to the Philistine but made him fetch a compass to catch them from behinds and to wait for the sound on top of the trees, wow that is just intriguing how God chooses to accomplish things from being able to actually do it any which way He wants yet he considers us to all detail.

about having many wives and concubines king David inherited from his great grand father Jacob, his grand father Judah who also had many wives and concubines "read Genesis" in detailed and understand where the trend came from. but all in all king David was a prayer warrior and intercessor before God - a man after God's heart-

Verse 25: David was victorious because he listened to God's command after he inquired of God.

I use to wonder about concubines and the many wives then I thought about, Deuteronomy 12:15(KJV)Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates,whatsoever thy soul lusteth after,according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee:the unclean and the clean may eat thereof,as of the roebuck and as of the hart.maybe it was ok for whoever he blesses kind of thing.

King David reigned for 40 years

i feel pity for the blind and lame they killed

David truly loved the Lord.

God was not unhappy with David for taking so many wives There is no where in this chapter where it is that God was unhappy with David

he was king 33yrs as JESUS LIVED 33YRS AWSOME

@Stan Unger,
I googled your first post "God the Son” in the Bible and there was a lot to read there.
Also the same as for Trinity and Rapture being used in the Bible. As for your second post I found this to be helpful: Psalm 87:2-3 says, “The LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are said of you, O city of God.” Occurring over 150 times in the Bible, the word “Zion” essentially means “fortification.” In the Bible, Zion is both the city of David and the city of God.
As the Bible progresses, the word “Zion” transitions from referring primarily to a physical city to having a more spiritual meaning.
The first mention of the word “Zion” in the Bible is 2 Samuel 5:7: “Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David.” “Zion,” therefore, was originally the name of the ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem. “Zion” came to stand not only for the fortress but also for city in which the fortress stood. After David captured “the stronghold of Zion,” Zion was then called “the City of David” ( 1 Kings 8:1; 1 Chronicles 11:5; 2 Chronicles 5:2). When Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, “Zion” expanded in meaning to include the temple and the area surrounding it ( Psalms 2:6; 48:2, 11-12; 132:13). “Zion” was eventually used as a name for the city of Jerusalem, the land of Judah, and the people of Israel as a whole ( Isaiah 40:9; Jeremiah 31:12; Zechariah 9:13). The most important use of the word “Zion” is in a theological sense. “Zion” is used figuratively of Israel as the people of God ( Isaiah 60:14). The spiritual meaning of “Zion” is continued in the New Testament, where it is given the Christian meaning of God's spiritual kingdom, the heavenly Jerusalem ( Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 14:1). Peter refers to Christ as the Cornerstone of Zion: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame” ( 1 Peter 2:6).
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Yes truly God is faithful. He stood with David, remember David was a man after God's own heart. WE all sin and come short daily but if we confess our sins God is faithful and just to forgive us. WE must strife not to sin or continue in sin but pray for forgiveness. Praise God.

2 Samuel 5:10-19 Principle illustrated: God delivered the Philistines into David’s hand even though he was slipping away from God by taking more concubines. The Lord made David the king of Israel which was both an honor and a blessing to David, and David messed up by taking concubines. It was wrong of David to allow his standards slip. Then David went to the hold to hide from the Philistines because they heard that he was the king over Israel. Then David finally prayed to God and asked him to deliver the Philistines into his hand. Even though David did not deserve God’s blessing right then, God told him that he would “doubtless deliver the Philistines into thine hand.” I know that God has blessed me when I do not deserve it. I am so happy that He is so merciful because if He were not then I would live a pathetic life and lose any hope of succession that I might have. The power of prayer is amazing. David should have remembered that before he took all those concubines and went to the hold. God is always there for me even though I am not always there for Him when I really should be. God is my shepherd. It is Him that I want.