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Oh S Spencer you always bring forth clarity!

Yes Debbie, that was the dispute and burden that the believing Pharisees tried to lay upon the Gentiles. And the Apostles Argued against this as you see in Acts 15:1-20.

I would like to share a couple of wonderful verses here in. Listen here to Peter.

Acts 15:10-11. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Peter is saying trying to Keep the law put a yoke on them and their fathers. But through the Grace of Christ they now can be saved even as the Gentiles!! BY GRACE, NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW.

God bless.

That the Law of Moses had to be followed in order to be saved explains my question -- thanks.

Debbie,

When Paul first started carrying the gospel to the gentiles it was not totally settled in the minds of some about circumcision and the law, should the gentiles be circumcised and be under the law. A group of the sect of Pharisees told some of the gentiles they had to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses, this meaning the entire law, to be saved.

Acts 15 is what they are discussing, they came to agreement, they said God chose them, and they received the Holy Ghost the same as they did, Peter said; "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

Paul addresses this many times in the letters he writes to the churches, we are not under the law, it is not by works of the entire law or just the 10 commandments, that salvation is received, it is by the grace of God through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

God bless,

RLW

I think that : after the manner of Moses , probably means according to the law that was given to Moses .

Hey there.

Regarding Acts 15:1 -- circumcised after the manner of Moses. Does that mean following the 10 Commandments?

Hi Carolyn. Romans 14:16 shouldn't be forced to mean what you've suggested, about a married man being seen in public with other women. We can't pull out a Scripture & try to make it read something that it wasn't intended to do.

This chapter is speaking of some of those delicate & difficult questions that arose at that time, in respect to the behaviour between Jew & Gentile believers. And these questions centred around food and observance of particular days, rites, etc. The Jewish converts expected that the Gentiles would also bind themselves to Jewish customs & adherence to Mosaic Laws. The matter of circumcision came up in Acts 15:1,2 and Galatians 2:3,4. Here in Romans chapter 14, matters pertaining to food offered to idols, Jewish fasting days, clean & unclean animals, and subsequently, judging another because of their belief & therefore resulting in not walking in love & understanding with each other.

So verse 16: "Let not then your good be evil spoken of", tells us that as Christians, we should be aware that even though we might enjoy our liberty in Christ to do many things that might appear wrong in the sight of others (e.g. Jews, or those weak in faith or unlearned in the Scriptures), we should abstain from doing so, if it means that strife & controversy arise leading to unkind words exchanged & separation from each other.

However, I do agree with you that a married man should be careful in how close he gets to other women: the time he spends with her or the places they meet for discussion, since that meeting, though maybe perfectly harmless & genuine, may easily be misconstrued by another. In that instance, I would use 1 Thessalonians 5:22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil." And if you need to share this with a man (a husband?), the Scripture can be used as part of a 'loving' discussion to the pitfalls in such an association, as well as a misunderstanding or gossip by others.

Hello Dan,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my 2 questions.

1) You mention that the commandment at Leviticus 12:3 was a "suggestion". When the Law was give to Israel, they made a covenant between themselves and God. Please read Exodus 34:3-8. Notice specifically

Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL THE WORDS of the LORD, and ALL THE JUDGMENTS: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."

That does not sound like a "suggestion" but a command - an order. Jewish people have thus very meticulously made certain to circumcise their children. Moses was almost killed by the LORD because he had not circumcised his son. Please read Exodus 4:24-26. That seems to me that the LORD takes circumcision very, very seriously. In fact, in the first century, even believing Jews believed that a believer in the Messiah must be circumcised to be saved.

Acts 15:1 "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED after the manner of Moses, YE CANNOT BE SAVED."

2) You mention that the first century Church followed the 10 commandments.

I do agree that they did follow 9 of those commandments. They are re-iterated in the New Testament or Covenant set up by Jesus through his blood mentioned at Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Luke 22:20. However, nowhere do the Apostles every tell the Church, in clear words, "remember to keep the sabbath". Could you provide me 1 verse where an apostle clearly says to keep the sabbath - that actual word "sabbath" being used? In fact, Paul says the opposite at Colossians 2:16 and Galatians 4:10.

3) Now to answer your question. The apostles did not ever say that they obeyed the "10" commandments. They said that they obeyed the commandments. Those would be the commandments of the New Testament given by Jesus Christ through his Apostles via the letters of Romans to Revelation.

I welcome your thoughts again.

Good day to you, Dan.

Rebirth Scriptures(Born Again): John 3:3 KJV., John 3:5-8 KJV., 2Cor. 5:17 KJV., Mark 16:16 KJV, Titus 3:5, Romans 6:4 KJV., 1Peter 3:21 KJV.

Acts 2:37-38 KJV., what Israel(Jews) must do. Acts 10:44:48 KJV., the Holy Spirit(Ghost) given to the Gentiles(Greeks). In verse. 8, Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Jews and Gentiles were baptized by water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Acts 15:5-9 KJV., question at issue(Gentiles being circumcised). In Verse 7 Peter is speaking Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. In Acts 2 Peter used the keys(Jesus gave him the keys in Matthew 16:19 KJV.) first for the Jews, and in Acts 10 second, in the house of Cornelius for the Gentiles)(but Paul was distinctively(plainly) the apostle of the Gentiles, Gal. 2:7,8).

Paul speaking( 1Corinthians 15:1-10). Not only being filled with the Holy Ghost, Saul/Paul was baptized with water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ).

Saul's/Paul's Conversion: Acts 9:17-19 KJV; Paul's Defense before the multitude: recounts his conversion. Acts 22:11-16; Paul's defense before Agrippa. Acts 26:9-18. In verse. 18, that they may receive forgiveness of sins( Romans 3:23)

1 Corinthians 3:5-8 KJV: 5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6. I(Paul) have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase(Holy Ghost) 7. So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase(Holy Ghost). 8. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

1 Timothy 1:1 KJV Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope. Think about this, what is the father's name on a Birth Certificate? What name is the child born into physically? See 1John5:1-20

KJV., being baptized in the name of (Jesus Christ): The Foundation

REPENTANCE NOT NEEDED FOR SALVATION - ONLY BELIEVING

Dear readers, I have heard lots of sermons that teach that one must repent to be saved. I believe this is a false doctrine because NOWHERE in the whole Bible does anyone teach it. All the Scriptures teach is just believing:-

But what does the Bible actually teach about salvation and about repentance? Here are a few verses:-

John 1:7

The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John 1:12

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 6:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 15:11

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Acts 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 3:22

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

REPENTANCE IS: TO turn from what you were doing wrong to doing it right. Its actually more of a turning. And repentance does not necessarily mean "repent from your sins". In fact in the Scriptures, God repented more than anyone else. Does that mean He is a sinner? NO!! He turned from doing what He wanted to do at first! e.g

Jonah 3:9-10

Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Daniel,

God commanded that certain celebrations be observed by the Jews each year. These were performed to remind them of certain events in their history. Each event celebrated something that God had done for them.

As God does not speak against celebrating birthdays and Christmas, I find no reason not to celebrate them in the context that God gave a person physical life when they were born and then God came to earth to give them spiritual life through Jesus Christ.

God bless

Is celebrating birthdays or Christmas

unBiblical or worldy celebrations?

I believe there is only one way, one Gospel but preached in many different ways:

When Paul says according to the Scriptures, "OLD TESTAMENT"

We see THE PROMISE TO ABRAHAM-

Galatians 3:8-9. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ( Jews and Gentiles)

HERE IS JOHN THE BAPTIST PLAYING A ROLE IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE GOSPEL.

John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the LAMB OF GOD, which taketh away the sin of the ""WORLD."" (Jews and Gentiles)

THOSE LAMB SACRIFICES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT SPOKE OF CHRIST DEATH FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.

NOTICE PETER PUTTING NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TEACHING TO JEWS AND GENTILES HERE IN ACTS. pay attention to the highlighted sentences.

Acts 15:7-11. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

"""AND PUT NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM,""" purifying their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ """WE SHALL BE SAVED, EVEN AS THEY."""

When the Apostles was baptizing "ritually" putting all believers (Jews and Gentiles) in one body speaks of Identifying us with his DEATH AND RESURRECTION.

They all preached the cross and resurrection in different ways throughout the scriptures. But the same narrow way.

Chris

You said "If we cover human beings given to sexual deviancy with the skin of animals, then God sees them as animals?" No, humans do not cover humans with skins. God covers humans with skins as stated in Gen.3:21, "unto Adam and also unto his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and clothed them." God clothed them in skins. God did not literally kill an animal and use the skin from that animal. God saw them as animals. Animals are not the image of God. After a person commits unnatural sex they have departed from God to serve Satan. They are no longer the image of God. They are like the animals that are not the image of God.

When Jesus sees an entire generation as vipers, they are not wearing Halloween costumes. They did not dress themselves as snakes. He is saying they are children of Satan and not children of God.

The word fornication does not cover all sexual acts. It did not include David's adultery. All sin is not equal. Fornication is idolatry, whoring. 1 Cor. 6:13, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord."

Fornication is the sin of the Gentiles.

Acts 15:28,29: "I lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood and from things strangled, and from fornication from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well."

Fornication is the sin of Babylon.

Babylon is mentioned 260 times in the King James Bible

Rev. 19:2, "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication [porneia], and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand." The entire earth will be corrupted by this most popular sin of unnatural sex. It is the broad way that leads to destruction. This sin began in Eden.

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Romans 2:14,15 clearly show that the Law was never in our possession & we've never been subject to them. And then when the Gentiles became believers, the only instruction given was, not that any of the commandments given to the Jews be followed, but as per Acts 15:19,20: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

Rather, our directive can never be from the Law given to Israel, because "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." ( Romans 8:2). If the Life-giving Spirit freed a Jewish Paul from the bondage of the Law, how much more to us Gentiles, who never received the Law, are only subject to the Spirit's directions in our lives.

Again, thank you for bringing up those very worthy points.

several places the term sir name is used. Simoswhose sirname is Peter and another sirname Mark. Idonot know where or what this means??? This could be family name or their first name.

Isaiah chapter 14:1&2 kjv Revelation chapter 13:10 kjv

Nothing wrong with that. Some may think its wrong. But a cross is not an idol unless you worship it which Im sure you don't.

Comments by Alex about the trinity, Abraham issac and jacob were symbolic of the Godhead th trinity,Without this abrahamic trinity there wd have been no nation of Israel that became as the sands of the seas. God Almighty swore by himself when he said that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven Thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in humanity which is the very seed of God to whom the word came that good seed it made them Gods plural. That was the great PROMISE that christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus an Israel of God.Thats y jesus refers to the H.G. as the Promise he is the multiplication of God in humanity. The gift of God via that good seed the word, Just as there was a natural israel via the seed of Isaac there is gonna be an Israel of God via the seed of Christ, its God himself that wants a posterity thats y jesus is saying to whom the WORD came his seed it made them Gods plural th Gransons th Israel OF GOD, THEY DONT CALL HIM THE BRIDEGROOM FOR NOTHIN, HIS SEED IS GONA RESULT IN AN ISRAEL OF GOD,Thats y God told Moses that his name was abraham issac and jacob, that is my name forever and my memeorial to ALL GENERATIONS IMPLING AN ISRAEL OF GOD THAT IS GONNABE BORN IN US. Our new birth. But my point is Jesus cd not refer to the H.G as the Promise if he were not the very multiplcation of Christ/God th Gransons that are gonna be as the stars of heaven .They are gonna be born in us simply b/c that GOOD seed is sown in us sinners, THATS Y JESUS IS saying whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME which is the H.G.IMMANUEL GOD with US. The trinity is very simply FATHER, SON AND GRANSON A 5 YR OLD can understand this. Even the Davidic kingdom was a Father Son and Granson relationship, God wd not let David the son build the temple, only Solomon the granson cd build the temple a metaphor that only the H.G. the granson can build the temple in our hearts a greater then Solomon in here ( that last day). The H.G..

The Godhead Scriptures

Acts 17

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7.

John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.

Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE,

ARE NOT used!!! Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, Three.

If you had used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it come up with NOTHING for triune and Trinity. No further comment is needed.

Mishael

Acts 15:1- 7 Its by grace that we as gentiles were brought in.

1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

AntiChrist Scriptures

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a Deceiver and an antichrist.

Just reread, starting in chapter 9. It was Gabriel that touched Daniel. Michael had to come fight the demon Prince over that area, so Gabriel could get through.

Ephesians 6 describes princes and principalities over different areas.

Mishael

I think that the Heavenly Being who touched Daniel is an Angel of GOD or maybe a special Being of the Creation(which is not mentioned exactly in the Bible) appointed by GOD because we can see that the word Man of GOD is written in the BIBLE 78 times. We do not know if GOD appointed a special person or persons to carry his messages other than the Angels. We can clearly see that after this incident(v 12),Michael(ANGEL OF GOD) came to Daniel. So we can make out that the person who touched Daniel was not Michael. So what we can guess is that the Heavenly Being who touched Daniel maybe be an Angel(other than Michael) or a Special Being who was created in the Creation but not mentioned in the Bible. We should just wait until the Second Coming of CHRIST to find out!!

In Daniel chapter 10, who is the person are angel touching Daniel.

I have a cross in my car to remind me that Jesus paid my sin debt, and to remind me to drive Born again.

No why would it be your not worshiping the cross its a symbol ,that Jesus died on

Elaine, crosses on car mirrors do not bother me.

Seeing a gigantic SUV with a fish symbol on the back bumper; going 80 mph in a 50mph speed zone, Race by me, UPSETS ME !! I pray for a cop to be at the next corner.

I'm not being in a mean spirit when I say, if we are born again, blood washed believers, we ought to represent Jesus as law abiding citizens too. If we're going to be law breakers, DO take off the crosses and fish magnets. Amen.

I don't believe it would be considered idolatry to have a cross hanging there or even in a house.

I think what's important is the reason for having it there. For some, it may be a visual reminder of the Saviour & the empty cross (as opposed to those who prefer a crucifix, showing the un-resurrected, un-ascended Saviour), or it may be just a sacred symbol to show others that the Cross is central to the occupants' lives, or maybe to afford protection to those in proximity to it. If it is a crucifix (where worship could be directed to it) or to assure safety from harm, then I believe that these reasons could be considered as hallmarks of idolatry.

Personally, I refrain from any symbol, image or anything else that attempts to describe the Deity. I think a meaningful Scripture as wall hanging would do more for me & those visiting my home. However, the decision is yours & you might get some input from others here. God bless.

Is it idolatry to have a wooden cross hanging on your rear view mirror?