I am one of those newly born again Christian (just a baby Christian idiomatically speaking) and God has blessed me greatly. Today I want to help you also to the best that I can. I think your concern correlates to a very wonderful scripture in the Bible where it is obvious that Jesus really wants us to be specific in our prayers: see this verse:
Matthew 20:30-34 (KJV)
30 And behold , two blind mem sitting by the way side when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out saying, Have mercy on us O, Lord, thou son of David.
31 And the multitude rebuked them
because they should hold their peace; but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O, Lord, thou son of David.
32 And Jesus stood still. and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?
33 They say unto Him, Lord, that our eyes may be open
34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.
I'll tell you: this week I have been desperately reaching out to Jesus in spirit, literally talking to him like a child to a father in my secret place , telling him everything ( what I feel, what I am worried about, what am anxious about, what I hate.. who I hate and then I repented... and so on.. I hide nothing because he knows my heart better than I. and I ask Him in detail all about this request.. to solve this problem that I thought almost insurmountable. HE JUST ANSWERED MY PRAYER LAST NIGHT. now I am so grateful and so free .. )
And also this verse I think will help : Philippians 4: 6-7
Is Mount Olivet { Acts 1:12} and Mount of Olives the same place? Jesus departs from here for heaven and it reads he will return to same location when he first returns
Ronnette (My Prayers to ALL) See YOU in the cloud on 1 Thessalonians 5:18 - 2 years ago
Myfarewellmessagetothissite Matthew 10:14, Luke 9:5. God tells me to go back and convince one more time the people reading this site-must know that God sent his only begotten Son to destroy sins. He died once for all of us Galatians 3:28 in a very powerful way. A pattern that is similar in the Old Testament-sacrificial shedding of blood of the lamb. God knows we cannot save ourselves. So we need a Saviour Jesus Christ. He did it for us All. My prayers are to help everyone understand this basic concept and many will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We do not believe in vain, nor we put the work of ALL apostles, most especially Paul who was the last apostle to write plethora of information for everyone to be saved. Remember the Bible is complete by itself. God gave us a free gift of grace Romans 5:15-18. The ten Commandments are for us to see how sinful we are. That is why Paul calls it a schoolmaster Galatians 3:24-25. So when you believe, trust and have faith in Jesus Christ's blood that He shed for our sins Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10 we die with Him Galatians 2:20. That is the baptism without submerging yourself into the water Acts 1:5, Acts 10:47,Roman's 6:3, Galatians 3:27, 1 Corinthians 10:2. We are not divided Christians 1 Corinthians 1:13-16, 1 Corinthians 12:13. Once you are saved you are sealed Ephesians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 1:22, John 6:27. Jesus sent Paul to seal us Gentiles Romans 15:28. So grieve not Ephesians 4:30. When the Holy Spirit is in you you do not want to commit sin, if you do, you are letting your old self to dominate your spirit. We are walking in the Spirit of God. God already won. Do not let Satan defeat you (on going Spiritual warfare) that is why let every thought to be with God 2 Corinthians 10:5. I came back to fulfill with the help of the Holy Spirit to ask that you trust only Jesus and not yourself here on earth. Let Jesus do the rest. It is indeed true OSAS.Sealed is sealed.You reap what you sow on earth. Peace&joy to ALL.
Acts 1:9 ....and he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him (Christ the GLORIFIED BODY out of their sight;
INTO MAN: his BODY).
Christ was taken into (NEW) heaven: MAN the BODY of CHRIST.
The CLOUD: the Glory and Presence of God ABIDING in, and on, God's temple.
Exodus 40:38 For the CLOUD of the Lord was upon the tabernacle (temple of God) by day, and FIRE (Hebrew 12:29) by night .....
2 Corinthians 6:16 ....for ye are the temple of the LIVING GOD ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....Christ in you .... HIS BODY .....HIS TEMPLE .....HIS LIFE ....HIS TRUTH...
Romans 8:29 .... to be CONFORMED (by the NEW BIRTH) to the IMAGE OF CHRIST ....
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL, should shine unto them.
Psalms 82:6 I (the word) have SAID; ye are gods, the children of the most high.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN in your law, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, TO WHOM the WORD of God CAME, the scripture CANNOT be broken.
Luke 9:23 .... If any man will come after me (the second coming of Christ: IN YOU) let him will DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross (first death) and follow ME (I AM the resurrection).
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE Spirit (the Father) ....ONE Body (Man) ......
Christ the firstborn among many BRETHREN (the image of Christ).
Jesus was raised a transfigured body i. e. resplendent with a divine brightness.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not able to inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [decay and ruin] inherit incorruption.
The disciples were told by two Angels ---- so come in like manner, as in, come down the way He went up, (from the Mount of Olives) as in, coming in the cloud, as He, was received by the cloud, visible, unexpected, save by those looking for Him, in the clouds of heaven, and to the same place whence He departed, Zechariah 14-4 .
Jesus didn't ascended on a White Horse, but He returns on one, I guess the two Angels forgot to mention that.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him (out of their sight.)
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Zechariah 4:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of
Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley [between the northern and southern half of Olivet]; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Marke - Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and (falling) headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression (fell), that he might go to his own place.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
How can you fall out of a tree if you never was in the tree? It makes people feel good to think they are going to heaven no matter what they do. Many people are going to be deceived and fail because they love not the truth.
Here's a couple of verses to along with what has been already shared.
Romans 8:9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 2:9-16. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, BUT THE SPIRIT WHICH IS OF GOD; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.
"10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THEM THAT ASK HIM?"
Being baptized by the Holy Spirit is what Jesus does. It is His ministry to baptize all who receive Him with His Spirit. If you received Jesus into your life in 1997, as you mentioned, then He has already baptized you with His Spirit (Holy Spirit) at that time. A person cannot receive Jesus into their life and not have His Spirit. You can't have one without the other. If you have received Jesus, He has given you His Spirit!
I want to ask you how do I receive the baptism of The Holy Spirit? I receive all the sacraments and was baptized received Jesus as my Lord in 1997. I have type 1 diabetes and high blood pressure and am out of work. I am 59 years old and pray daily for restoration of health and to get my own home to live in and I 100% I was healed at the cross and all financial needs are met. Where I use to work they put me on a disability retirement plan. That is wrong because I always worked. I must have a daylight work to take excellent care of myself. I trie to work other shifts with my doctors help with adjustments made to my insulin pump and could not succeed. I was so thankful to God finally a job with good benefits and retirement. I am trying to get work but, I am not finding work. I do not want to stop trying. Thank you for your help Brian
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Jesus can forgive sin, or he can say take up thy bed and walk, or I will be thou clean, or he can say today today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Not everyone receives the Holy Ghost after water baptism. Many certainly do, yes. But not all. For me it took nearly 3 years. I didn't fully understand it & I was fearful.
Since then I have obeyed the gospel=death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ w love & in obedience & following in all his ways.
Jesus said we must be born of water & of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God. We must be born again to see the kingdom.
Luke 16:19-26. The only passage that Jesus Himself talks about where a person goes after he dies. There is Heaven and Hell. I pray all will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10.
Luke 23:43
Acts 1:25; John 17:12 Judas Iscariot is the son of perdition. He went to his own place. Revelation 17:8
Isaiah 5:14
Romans 16:25-27
John 3:16 I pray many will be saved. Keep the Faith, trust only and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. Nobody can save themselves. We give glory to God for He gave us a free gift, a gift of Grace, the grace of God that is available to all.
If I happened to be that my understanding of the Bible is the same way these people you mentioned, I am actually glad I am not alone. The Book of Acts is an epistle written by Luke who recorded the Acts of the Apostles after Jesus Christ died. Before Jesus Christ died the 12 Apostles spent time with Jesus in His journey on earth from the time He was baptized in water by John the Baptist till He was crucified. So when I read Matthew, Mark , Luke, and John I noticed that most of them repeating the same event that happened, which I think it was very clever. But I noticed Luke would give more information. For example, Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke.9:33. but Luke is the only one who wrote "not knowing what he said". I have noticed the pattern that Peter had always been rebuked by Jesus Christ in more than one occasion. So, when I read the Book of Acts Luke recorded the fulfillment of the 12 Apostles receiving the Holy Spirit. What a way to start the chapter with these words Acts 1:1. Then the selection of Mathias as "was numbered by the eleven apostles" Acts 1:26. I thought it was actually brilliant. They prayed and they casted lots. So Mathias was chosen still by man/ men. I pay attention to the detail just my nature as I was doing my own investigative way of studying facts. So chapter 2-4 the apostles continued about their work witnessing who Jesus was, whom they crucified; as well as doing great wonders filled with the Holy Spirit with great power; and a lot of people believed and baptized by water, the way the 12 apostles knew how to be saved. But take note of Acts 1:5, Peter will have a remembrance of this verse when he met with Cornelius and others, the Gentiles in Acts 10 and repeated in chapter 11 ( Acts 10:47; Acts 11:16). Going back to chapter 5 the apostles were in battle with the high priests Sadducees because the apostles ought to follow God. Now there is this man a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law in Acts 5:34. cont
Stay with prayers and supplication and reading the Bible. A person who truly seek the truth will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Acts 20:28-32
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Agape.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. I believe in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ first and foremost. After Jesus died on the cross He said: For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. I believe in the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the word "HOW" is very important. I do take seriously every word written in the KJV Bible. I would listen to men, and ultimately God directed me to read and tell the truth according to His will. We are all so bless in so many ways after Jesus died. He gave us a very gracious free gift. All we need to do is to die with Him with our flesh and live and walk in the Holy Spirit He freely give to those wanted to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. ONE account sited in the Bible that they received the Holy Spirit by Peter and John laying hands. It does not hurt to get wet. But necessary to understand the blood Jesus Christ shed for our sins according to scriptures. Then, you will know the Kingdom of God here on earth. Agape.
Thank you for sharing again Ronnette. You've taken a different approach to this matter than I anticipated, and as you said, "ultimately, I have chosen to listen to God." I think this sentence sums up what you're writing in your recent responses.
To that of course, I can't argue; if one truly believes that they are led to believe what Scriptures are revealing on a matter, then one should be persuaded accordingly. Unfortunately, for me to reach that level, I must first seek to understand what the Scriptures are saying (e.g. on the twelfth apostle matter). If there are sufficient verses that bring clarity on it, then I don't seek any further 'inspiration', as nothing else is needed. If however, the Scriptures are not totally clear to me (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:29, on the "baptism for the dead"), I may have a basic understanding of what the apostle is referring to, but in the absence of any further Scriptures on that event, I have to hold my thoughts & tongue to allow the Spirit to help me in my quest for His Interpretation. To date, the options on that verse remain unchanged for me, so I wait.
But on the Acts 1:26 matter, to my understanding, & hence belief, the matter is clear & settled from the many Scriptures given. Anyway, I think this subject is now closed with us, but thought to share how I approach, accept, & understand what God's Word says to me. Blessings.
I think you are referring to the account with Paul and the people at Ephesus ( Acts 19:1-6) If you read the account, it says that they were baptized in the name of Jesus (this is water baptism) and Paul laid hands upon them to receive the Holy Spirit. It is not speaking only of Holy spirit baptism. it does not say that specifically. It is clear to me that there were two things Paul did to these believers: water baptize them, and lay hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit.
John 3:3-7 Context together to understand the passage.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
This is talking about being born in the flesh. When you are born your mother broke their water. It is not baptism. It explains in v6. Otherwise why would Nicodemus mentioned the mother's womb? GBU.
I was baptized as Catholic when I was Born. I was submerged in the water for Mormon in my grade school, Finally baptized again in the Seventh Day Adventist. Long story short, it was a family feud beliefs and I have no control of it. Now I am older and wiser, in retrospect, I never received the Holy Spirit in any of those baptism; only until I understood in my heart the Bible messages of Jesus Christ. So, in my experience I do not believe in the water baptism. Although now I understand, I would not mind going to Jordan river and getting baptized next year, which I am excited about.
Now what does the Bible said about water baptism? We go back to when John the Baptist when he was preparing the Jews for the coming Messiah. There is a passage I forgot what verse, where someone asked somebody if they were baptized by the Holy Spirit then they said they were baptized by John the baptist. Then the person said you need to be baptized by The Holy Spirit. So when it was explained to them the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ they received the Holy Spirit. I will find that passage. That said, water baptism is not necessary to received the Holy Spirit. Agape.
I am one of those newly born again Christian (just a baby Christian idiomatically speaking) and God has blessed me greatly. Today I want to help you also to the best that I can. I think your concern correlates to a very wonderful scripture in the Bible where it is obvious that Jesus really wants us to be specific in our prayers: see this verse:
Matthew 20:30-34 (KJV)
30 And behold , two blind mem sitting by the way side when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out saying, Have mercy on us O, Lord, thou son of David.
31 And the multitude rebuked them
because they should hold their peace; but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O, Lord, thou son of David.
32 And Jesus stood still. and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?
33 They say unto Him, Lord, that our eyes may be open
34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.
I'll tell you: this week I have been desperately reaching out to Jesus in spirit, literally talking to him like a child to a father in my secret place , telling him everything ( what I feel, what I am worried about, what am anxious about, what I hate.. who I hate and then I repented... and so on.. I hide nothing because he knows my heart better than I. and I ask Him in detail all about this request.. to solve this problem that I thought almost insurmountable. HE JUST ANSWERED MY PRAYER LAST NIGHT. now I am so grateful and so free .. )
And also this verse I think will help : Philippians 4: 6-7
Praying for you too!
Acts 1:9 ....and he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him (Christ the GLORIFIED BODY out of their sight;
INTO MAN: his BODY).
Christ was taken into (NEW) heaven: MAN the BODY of CHRIST.
The CLOUD: the Glory and Presence of God ABIDING in, and on, God's temple.
Exodus 40:38 For the CLOUD of the Lord was upon the tabernacle (temple of God) by day, and FIRE (Hebrew 12:29) by night .....
2 Corinthians 6:16 ....for ye are the temple of the LIVING GOD ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....Christ in you .... HIS BODY .....HIS TEMPLE .....HIS LIFE ....HIS TRUTH...
Romans 8:29 .... to be CONFORMED (by the NEW BIRTH) to the IMAGE OF CHRIST ....
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL, should shine unto them.
Psalms 82:6 I (the word) have SAID; ye are gods, the children of the most high.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN in your law, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, TO WHOM the WORD of God CAME, the scripture CANNOT be broken.
Luke 9:23 .... If any man will come after me (the second coming of Christ: IN YOU) let him will DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross (first death) and follow ME (I AM the resurrection).
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE Spirit (the Father) ....ONE Body (Man) ......
Christ the firstborn among many BRETHREN (the image of Christ).
God Bless you (the body Christ).
Jesus was raised a transfigured body i. e. resplendent with a divine brightness.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not able to inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [decay and ruin] inherit incorruption.
The disciples were told by two Angels ---- so come in like manner, as in, come down the way He went up, (from the Mount of Olives) as in, coming in the cloud, as He, was received by the cloud, visible, unexpected, save by those looking for Him, in the clouds of heaven, and to the same place whence He departed, Zechariah 14-4 .
Jesus didn't ascended on a White Horse, but He returns on one, I guess the two Angels forgot to mention that.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him (out of their sight.)
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Zechariah 4:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of
Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley [between the northern and southern half of Olivet]; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and (falling) headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression (fell), that he might go to his own place.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
How can you fall out of a tree if you never was in the tree? It makes people feel good to think they are going to heaven no matter what they do. Many people are going to be deceived and fail because they love not the truth.
Here's a couple of verses to along with what has been already shared.
Romans 8:9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 2:9-16. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, BUT THE SPIRIT WHICH IS OF GOD; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.
God bless.
"10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THEM THAT ASK HIM?"
Being baptized by the Holy Spirit is what Jesus does. It is His ministry to baptize all who receive Him with His Spirit. If you received Jesus into your life in 1997, as you mentioned, then He has already baptized you with His Spirit (Holy Spirit) at that time. A person cannot receive Jesus into their life and not have His Spirit. You can't have one without the other. If you have received Jesus, He has given you His Spirit!
also as jesus christ said to fulfill all righteousness. The law ended in practice with john the baptist that's why in
John 1:17 grace and truth came with Jesus christ. Also notice in Acts 1:5-8 john indeed baptized with water but incontrast
ye shall absolute tense be baptized with Holy spirit the lesser the law replaced by Grace via the spirit. The first one works
the second without merit cannot be earned through works must be believed by romans 10:9+10 God given then the works is
putting on the word mind and doing it.
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Jesus can forgive sin, or he can say take up thy bed and walk, or I will be thou clean, or he can say today today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Since then I have obeyed the gospel=death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ w love & in obedience & following in all his ways.
Jesus said we must be born of water & of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God. We must be born again to see the kingdom.
Luke 23:43
Acts 1:25; John 17:12 Judas Iscariot is the son of perdition. He went to his own place. Revelation 17:8
Isaiah 5:14
Romans 16:25-27
John 3:16 I pray many will be saved. Keep the Faith, trust only and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. Nobody can save themselves. We give glory to God for He gave us a free gift, a gift of Grace, the grace of God that is available to all.
Hope this helps.
and Got born again. Then I ask how do you know not being negative but by their fruit ye shall know. An interesting
detail about the word receive biblically their are two words in greek for receive[dechomai and lambano]. Now some
may say so what well dechomai is receive subjectively something i.e. being given a tool box full of wrenches and never
utilizing the tools. Lambano is receiving and operating or manifesting what you've been given.
In ACTS 19:2 Pual found certain disciples they believed and ask them if they received and this is the word [lambano]
and after he taught concerning Christ Jesus and ministered to them they S.I.T and prophecied which is the outward
display of the inward power of holy spirit. In Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive [lambano] manifested power displayed and
be witnesses also note it doesn't say defense attorneys, we don't defend God we walk in love and tell and teach.
Receiving dechomai are the ones who hear and there's no humility or heart in it's just another piece of knowledge to
consider and nothing is done with it. The parable of the sower and the seed is a great exaple of both of these.
In the greek Gods word has a great more depth of understanding for those interested.
If I happened to be that my understanding of the Bible is the same way these people you mentioned, I am actually glad I am not alone. The Book of Acts is an epistle written by Luke who recorded the Acts of the Apostles after Jesus Christ died. Before Jesus Christ died the 12 Apostles spent time with Jesus in His journey on earth from the time He was baptized in water by John the Baptist till He was crucified. So when I read Matthew, Mark , Luke, and John I noticed that most of them repeating the same event that happened, which I think it was very clever. But I noticed Luke would give more information. For example, Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke.9:33. but Luke is the only one who wrote "not knowing what he said". I have noticed the pattern that Peter had always been rebuked by Jesus Christ in more than one occasion. So, when I read the Book of Acts Luke recorded the fulfillment of the 12 Apostles receiving the Holy Spirit. What a way to start the chapter with these words Acts 1:1. Then the selection of Mathias as "was numbered by the eleven apostles" Acts 1:26. I thought it was actually brilliant. They prayed and they casted lots. So Mathias was chosen still by man/ men. I pay attention to the detail just my nature as I was doing my own investigative way of studying facts. So chapter 2-4 the apostles continued about their work witnessing who Jesus was, whom they crucified; as well as doing great wonders filled with the Holy Spirit with great power; and a lot of people believed and baptized by water, the way the 12 apostles knew how to be saved. But take note of Acts 1:5, Peter will have a remembrance of this verse when he met with Cornelius and others, the Gentiles in Acts 10 and repeated in chapter 11 ( Acts 10:47; Acts 11:16). Going back to chapter 5 the apostles were in battle with the high priests Sadducees because the apostles ought to follow God. Now there is this man a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law in Acts 5:34. cont
have spiritual faith because they received it on PENTECOST REMEMBER Acts 1:4-8 so in the old testament they could believe
GOD but not have the spiritual faith of Jesus Christ after pentecost the word pistis in the greek was translated either believing
or faith by the translators. Now abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him and many others believed God but that
is not being born again of spiritual FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST.
Stay with prayers and supplication and reading the Bible. A person who truly seek the truth will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Acts 20:28-32
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Agape.
The word, "receive," and "Holy Spirit" are never found in the same verse in the KJV.
On the other hand, "receive/received" and "Holy Ghost" are found here:
John 7:39
John 20:22
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:33
Acts 2:38
Acts 3:21
Acts 8:15
Acts 8:17
Acts 8:19
Acts 9:17
Acts 10:47
Acts 19:2 ("Holy Ghost" is mentioned twice here.)
1 Thessalonians 1:6
Anything we can learn from this?
Numbers 16:5,
Matthew 20:16, Matthew 22:14,
John 6:70, John 13:18, Acts 1:2,
Hopefully these are helpful
To that of course, I can't argue; if one truly believes that they are led to believe what Scriptures are revealing on a matter, then one should be persuaded accordingly. Unfortunately, for me to reach that level, I must first seek to understand what the Scriptures are saying (e.g. on the twelfth apostle matter). If there are sufficient verses that bring clarity on it, then I don't seek any further 'inspiration', as nothing else is needed. If however, the Scriptures are not totally clear to me (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:29, on the "baptism for the dead"), I may have a basic understanding of what the apostle is referring to, but in the absence of any further Scriptures on that event, I have to hold my thoughts & tongue to allow the Spirit to help me in my quest for His Interpretation. To date, the options on that verse remain unchanged for me, so I wait.
But on the Acts 1:26 matter, to my understanding, & hence belief, the matter is clear & settled from the many Scriptures given. Anyway, I think this subject is now closed with us, but thought to share how I approach, accept, & understand what God's Word says to me. Blessings.
I think you are referring to the account with Paul and the people at Ephesus ( Acts 19:1-6) If you read the account, it says that they were baptized in the name of Jesus (this is water baptism) and Paul laid hands upon them to receive the Holy Spirit. It is not speaking only of Holy spirit baptism. it does not say that specifically. It is clear to me that there were two things Paul did to these believers: water baptize them, and lay hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit.
knew that for Paul to believe his Son had to appear to him. Also acts 1:25 it is written That he mathias may take part of
this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell. agapeo to you also this is what I see.
John 3:3-7 Context together to understand the passage.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
This is talking about being born in the flesh. When you are born your mother broke their water. It is not baptism. It explains in v6. Otherwise why would Nicodemus mentioned the mother's womb? GBU.
I was baptized as Catholic when I was Born. I was submerged in the water for Mormon in my grade school, Finally baptized again in the Seventh Day Adventist. Long story short, it was a family feud beliefs and I have no control of it. Now I am older and wiser, in retrospect, I never received the Holy Spirit in any of those baptism; only until I understood in my heart the Bible messages of Jesus Christ. So, in my experience I do not believe in the water baptism. Although now I understand, I would not mind going to Jordan river and getting baptized next year, which I am excited about.
Now what does the Bible said about water baptism? We go back to when John the Baptist when he was preparing the Jews for the coming Messiah. There is a passage I forgot what verse, where someone asked somebody if they were baptized by the Holy Spirit then they said they were baptized by John the baptist. Then the person said you need to be baptized by The Holy Spirit. So when it was explained to them the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ they received the Holy Spirit. I will find that passage. That said, water baptism is not necessary to received the Holy Spirit. Agape.
Well spoken David.