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  • Ken Wolf on Acts 20 - 2 years ago
    Why in acts 20:12 job

    It states they were NOT a little comforted

    Other versions they were

    I am perplexed why they would not be conforted
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Anna Perhaps Acts 20: 21 where he says he would gladly give his life.
  • Paul the Apostle was sent to the Gentiles - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    People's Bible Notes for Acts 20:22

    Commentary

    "I go bound in the spirit. Urged by a sense of duty, yet knowing from the premonitions of the Holy Spirit that bonds and afflictions awaited him at Jerusalem."

    Acts 21:12-14

    12 And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem.

    13

    Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.

    14 And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.

    28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man [Paul] that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

    Verse 30: Paul is kicked out of Church and later beaten by the Jews.

    Acts 21:22 Jesus sends Paul to the Gentiles.

    Acts 26:17 Paul's Ministry to the Gentiles
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    In Acts 20:16 we read, "For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost." He wanted to be there for Pentecost (Hebrew: Shavuot - or Feast of Weeks). Paul determined to go, nothing stopping him, even despite the warning of the prophet Agabus ( Acts 21:10-14). Paul wanted to meet with the Jerusalem brethren & no doubt to use that celebration time to be a witness for Christ - but knowing that this might well be his last journey & his undoing.
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 2 years ago
    Sabbath has always been Saturday. It has never changed.

    Some confuse that with when the body of Christ assembles. The first century church met on the first day of the week Acts 20:7 so some churches modeled after that. But it does not say its a command or anything. We are to follow Christ every day.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Those bands (U2 & Rolling Stones) are Irish & British respectively & are secular. Just thought of, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", loosely taken from Matthew 7:12; and "its more blessed to give than receive", from Acts 20:35 (& mostly used by the world to save embarrassment when the receiving party had nothing to give in return).

    Then there is: Am I my brother's keeper?; Apple of his father's eye; Scapegoat; Spare the rod, spoil the child; baptism of fire; salt of the Earth; sign of the times; wash my hands of the matter; good Samaritan; twinkling of an eye; fall from Grace; reap what you sow; four corners of the Earth.

    Also, it may be that many of these individuals in these bands (since they are all quite aged now), had some Christian input in their younger days. So when thinking of a theme or lyrics to a new song, they might just appeal to the Bible for 'inspiration'! Also tells us, the great value of Scripture classes to those of us privileged enough to have had that as a school subject; nowadays, most don't even know who Noah or Moses are - tragedy!!
  • Chris - In Reply on Ephesians 6 - 2 years ago
    Hello Lee. If you're referring to Eutychus (from Acts 20:7-12), we don't know anything about him except what is given in that passage. He is not referred to again anywhere else in the Scriptures. He was a young man, a part of the disciples (believers) gathered there in Troas, to listen to the Apostle Paul share from the Word.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Thomas. The Bible doesn't speak of a particular number of people required to be present before the Lord's Supper is commemorated. We see in these passages, ( 1 Corinthians 10:16,17, 1 Corinthians 11:18-34, Acts 2:42-46, Acts 20:11), that the 'breaking of bread' was observed with other believers present (whether a small number or not). However, to observe it without others present, I would think is your choice, as you prayerfully & thoughtfully take of the bread & wine remembering the Lord's Sacrifice for you. I doubt if many would do it this way as we would meditate on that Gift to us from the reading of the Word & prayer, but I don't see anything wrong in doing as you suggest.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Earl. You stated the following: "they don't BELIEVE that ALL MEN are God's CHURCH". I don't believe it either. God's Church, or Christ's Church, comprise only those saved by the Blood of the Lamb. If they include the wicked & unrepentant as well as those entering into salvation & its blessings with unbelief in their hearts, then that brings shame on Christ's Work towards salvation & makes the Cross meaningless. If Christ "draws all men unto Him", then the only ones who are accepted of the Father are those of whom He spoke, "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." ( John 12:47,48). And God's Judgement is certain, final, & eternal - no second chances to those who die without Christ ( Hebrews 9:27; Hebrews 10:27-29).

    "Judah was the only one that had five brothers, so this (reference in Luke 16:27,28) was addressed to the house of JUDAH, creation is the PROMISED SEED of the house of JUDAH." If the reference is to Judah's five brothers, then what is Judah doing sitting in hell in torments? Hopefully, the Jews didn't realize that Jesus was talking about Judah in hell & his five brothers about to enter there as well.

    "since Christ is the church, and Christ is creation's brother". Not sure how you work out that Christ is creation's brother. Christ is indeed the Church ( Colossians 1:18,24), but He is also the Creator without familial relationship to His Creation ( Colossians 1:15-17). He does love His creation, but the only brothers He has, are those whom He has purchased with His Own Blood ( Acts 20:28).
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

    Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

    Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.
  • Diane Taylor - In Reply on Job 3 - 3 years ago
    Hello GiGi, What I meant was that there is only one gospel that can save mankind today, and that is the gospel of grace ( Acts 20:24 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 That Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. Appropriated by faith alone apart from the Mosaic law ( Romans 3:20,21) The gospel of grace and doctrines for the body of Christ, the Church, was a secret ( Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3: 1-11) hidden in the mind of God until revealed to the apostle Paul. In other words, between the time God called Abraham and the calling of the apostle Paul, there was no message of salvation to the Gentile world ( Ephesians 2:11,12). The gospel of grace is most clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 " Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Paul's Gospel: The apostle Paul Holy Spirit inspired of course, repeatedly referred to the gospel of grace as "my gospel"( Romans 2:16, 16:25 Galatians 2:2,7: 2 Timothy 2:8) Paul could say this because the gospel of grace was in fact revealed to Paul alone and he was chosen by the ascended and risen Lord Himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles( Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13) These new revelations came approximately10 years after Pentecost ( Galatians 1:1,11-12;17) All mankind during the age of grace will be judged according to Paul's gospel. " In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel" Romans 2:16 Paul warned mankind twice in Galatians, anyone that preached any other gospel then what was revealed to him by the ascended Lord Himself will be cursed " Please read Galatians 1: 8-9 KJV
  • Rick - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Chris My explanation was incomplete my apology, Pauls ministry was to the gentiles in Acts 20:22 it says he went bound in the spirit not caring whether he lived or died basically bound is determined but was it his determination not Gods Will because God will not tell you to go somewhere to be killed, so in context I see God intervening through other believers to keep Paul out of the soup. Keep something in mind. the jews zealous for the law wanted paul dead after his conversion and at times followed where he went to talk converted followers out of there belief. Just things to consider Again my apologies for incomplete explanation.
  • D W L on 1 Corinthians 16 - 3 years ago
    Kathleen Gordon - Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

    Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: (The Sabbath is a rest day, if it is on any day)

    Galations 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. v 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

    Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. (Read verse 1-15)
  • Bill Mitchell - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Alex: I would suggest to you that the Book of Acts is a progressive revelation. I submit that "remission" and "redemption" are not the same thing. Peter was still preaching the "gospel of the kingdom" ( Matt. 9:35) to Israel in Acts 2 as the door was still open for them to accept their Messiah. That door remained open till they stoned Stephen in Acts 7. Peter never preached Acts 2:38 again for the rest of his life since Israel, as a nation, had rejected Christ as their Messiah. Notice Peter's statement in Acts 15:11. By this time, Peter is preaching salvation by faith alone because Israel had been put aside for 2k years. Notice, in Acts 10:44, just as Peter is about to tell Cornelius to repent and be baptized, the HG comes down and interrupts his message and changes his sermon outline! Cornelius and family were saved by FAITH -- not water baptism. There are 3 different saving gospels in the New Testament: 1 The "gospel of the kingdom" offering Israel their Messiah, 2. After Israel rejects their Messiah, God raises up Paul and gives him "the gospel of the grace of God" ( Acts 20:24, this is the gospel that saves us today, and 3. "The everlasting gospel" ( Rev. 14:6-7) preached by an angel in the tribulation. Salvation in the tribulation is by FAITH and WORKS just as it was in the Old Testament. While the church is on earth, salvation is a free gift. "now [this age of grace that will end at the rapture] is the day of salvation" 2 Cor. 6:2.
  • Messenger - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    You are replying to a comment by "Vickie Moller"

    Jesus Christ sent Paul ( Acts 9:15) to preach about his name. Jesus Christ

    means in Hebrew "Jehovah is Salvation" ( John 3:16,17; Psalm 83:18)

    so Paul was taking the lead and many other qualified men were appointed

    to lead the congregations or "Churches KJV". 1 Timothy 3

    According to Acts 2 man and woman fulfilled the prophecy at Joel 2:28

    during a day of Pentecost ( Acts 2:16-18). All were filled with the holy spirit ( john 4:24)

    were all at the same time speaking in tongues. (multitudes heard in his own language

    Acts 2:1,3,6)

    Paul was maybe trying to explain that the congregation is not that event.( 1 Corinthians 12:27-31)

    that they must speak or prophecy one at a time. to keep the congregation in order. 1Corinthians 14:33.

    However, because a man is the head of his wife. a wife remains silent in the congregation ( 1Tim. 2:12).

    if she wants to ask a question about something. she should not become authoritative within

    the congregation or church (if she doesn't understand something, she should go to her husband).

    1 Corinthians 14:35

    Ephesians 5:21-24

    if someone is single. then the head would be Jesus Christ because he is the head of the man (Jesus Christ has appointed qualified men to shepherd the congregation John 21:17. if a woman is single or not married, she can

    go to the one taking the lead, and they can pray for her.

    James 5:14-16

    1 Samuel 1:9-18; Luke 10:38-42;

    Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3

    Regarding woman and head covering, according to 1 Corinthians 11:5,8;

    if her husband is present, she covers her head if she is preaching or praying.

    if her husband is not present and she preaches and prophecies or prays to God,

    then she should cover her head as a sign of authority because of the angels.

    this is what the scripture says. I can't tell you anything other

    1 Corinthians 11:2-3;8-10; 1Tim. 2:12

    1 Corinthians 11:1,2,16 "keeping the order as delivered to them"

    "we have no custom of being contentious about"
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Precious Susan, I will try one more time with Part I, if this website considers me a robot... Be Encouraged In God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided. In JESUS' Precious Name (Authority):

    When the powers, signs, and wonders were in effect, 'everyone' was healed - this 'authority' was Of God, "Confirming Through HIS apostles, That His Word Was The Truth!" Plus, All 'believers' in God's 'Prophetic' Program had this, from Christ, on the earth:

    "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My Name {'Authority'} shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after The LORD had spoken unto them, He was received up into heaven, and sat on The Right Hand Of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, The LORD Working with them, and 'Confirming The Word With Signs following.' Amen." ( Mark 16:16-20)

    Notice, not all 'believers' at that time had the "authority to raise the dead." That "belonged to the apostles Only!" ( Acts 9:39-40)

    Act 5:12 "And by the hands of 'the apostles' were many signs and wonders wrought among the people... compare Acts 5:13-16 = everyone was healed.

    However, after Israel "fell" ( Acts 7:51-60), God "raised up Paul," who Also had signs, wonders, and powers "apostolic authority," which Also 'Included' raising the dead. ( Acts 20:9-10)

    After "God Finally set 'Israel' aside, and Paul went to the Gentiles Only" ( Acts 28:28), God 'Withdrew this {temporary} authority.' Since Paul's Revelation of The Mystery in Romans Through Philemon 'Fulfills/Completes' Scripture ( Colossians 1:25), 'Confirmation' was no longer necessary. What do we have for our 'infirmities' Today, Under GRACE?:

    continued in Part II (6 days below this post...) Be Richly Encouraged!
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sabbath is Saturday and is different than when a church meets for worship. It sounds like maybe you are conflating the two. We are to be Christians and worship God every day, not just one day. Churches customarily meet on Sunday, because that's when the first century Christians did as stated in Acts 20:7. God bless.
  • IMKane - In Reply - 3 years ago
    No. The signs, wonders, miracles, tongues (languages), and prophecies were given to prove to the lost sheep of the house of Israel that Jesus was the prophesied Christ, the Son of God who had come to restore the Kingdom to Israel. After the Jewish people had rejected their Messiah the second time by stoning Stephen ( Acts 7:54-60) and rejecting the kingdom gospel proclaimed by the Apostle Paul and Barnabas ( Acts 13:6), the signs, wonders, miracles, tongues, and prophecies faded away. To my knowledge, the last person raised from the dead was a young man named Eutychus who was raised from the dead by the Apostle Paul ( Acts 20:7-12). Note: Scripture says the coming Antichrist and False Prophet will be given great power by Satan to perform lying signs and wonders. See 2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:13-14; 16:14.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Part II (Previous) Gospel of the kingdom

    Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Gospel Of The GRACE Of God =

    Gospel of the Uncircumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Galatians 6:15; Romans 4:9-11)

    Preached first by Paul, then his companions ( Acts 13:38-39; Acts 20:24; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:24)

    The Mystery Program for The Gentiles ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Colossians 1:25-27; Romans 16:25)

    The preaching of The Cross as Good News ( 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4)

    Gospel to be believed = Christ's Work ( Romans 5:6 Romans 5:8 Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

    Salvation By GRACE Through faith plus nothing ( Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5; Titus 3:5)

    Justification by faith without works emphasized ( Romans 3:28; Romans 4:5,16; Galatians 2:16)

    Repentance as a synonym for faith ( Acts 17:30; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4)

    Involves reconciliation to God and man ( Romans 5:10-11; Romans 11:15; 2 Corinthians 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:21)

    Covers Paul's letters Romans - Philemon (Also Acts 9-28)

    Not under the law ( Romans 5:20-21; Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:6)

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    IMKane, hope this was helpful answering your Great questions.

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Ephesians 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi Geoffrey.

    Ephesians 1:13-14. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    This is a deep saying here!

    First we heard the Gospel of our salvation.

    We believed it.

    And right away we were SEALED with the Holyspirit of promise.

    Which is the EARNEST/"DOWN PAYMENT" of our inheritance.

    UNTIL the redemption of the PURCHASED POSSESSION!!! Unto the praise of his glory.

    Let's look into this, First of all we were sealed with the Holyspirit of promise! "Eternal security "

    We are sealed "WITH" the Holyspirit of promise, Which is the Down-payment of our inheritance. UNTIL the redemption of the PURCHASED possession.

    Jesus prayed in Mathew 26:39-45. three times if there be any other way take this cup from him. "And the Father never relieved him from this burden, So the price of this redemption, and the purchased possession was the highest of value!!

    And It was the blood of Christ that bought us. HE WILL REDEEM HIS PURCHASE. You have been SEALED "Providing that in your heart you truly believed " This puts

    John 10:28. in mind.

    NOTE:

    Acts 20:28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.

    Here's What we were redeemed from:



    Galatians 3:13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    The law brought death, Paul said when the law came he died. There is nothing to add to what Christ paid to redeem us, If so God would have answered his prayer.

    And "IF" you have you have been SEALED you "ARE" barring fruit because you have been given the Holyspirit.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    First century Christians met on the first day of the week: Acts 20:7

    However, I believe every day we can worship and honor God and I don't see any Biblical reason for excluding certain days or prioritizing one day over another.
  • Chris - In Reply on Philippians 3 - 3 years ago
    I can think of one occasion where Paul was determined to get to Jerusalem by the Day of Pentecost & didn't want anything to stop him from doing so: Acts 20:15-24. Not sure if you were thinking of this one. If not, if you can remember anymore details.
  • GRACEambassador ChrisE - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Yes, put on the WHOLE armour ( Ephesians 6:11-17), and Also:

    Praying always with all prayer and supplication in The Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known The Mystery of the Gospel,For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. ( Ephesians 6:18-20). Amen?

    What Mystery? Is it not This?:

    Now to Him that is of power To Stablish you According To my Gospel, and the preaching of JESUS CHRIST, According to The Revelation Of The Mystery, which was kept secret since the world began( Romans 16:25)

    Which Gospel?:

    But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the LORD JESUS, to testify The GOSPEL Of The GRACE of God.( Acts 20:24)

    Is THIS not part of the WHOLE armour, "And your feet shod with the preparation of the GOSPEL OF PEACE" ( Ephesians 6:15)?

    This MYSTERY And GOSPEL Of GRACE/PEACE, to Paul, found in Romans Through Philemon, and Directly to us, The Body of CHRIST, is {to Avoid Confusion} to be:

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Prophecy And Law, gospel of the kingdom, to the Twelve And ISRAEL!

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!!
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Mr. Crisp,

    I'd like to share a different point of view of your comment: "No where in the bible does it say to worship on Sunday. Sunday is a occult day of worship. Saturday is the Lord's day."

    Actually, no where is the Bible does it say to worship specifically on Saturday. The Bible says the early Christians met on Sunday, the first day of the week: Acts 20:7

    The Sabbath is Saturday, but I think you're confusing a day of worship and the "Lord's day" with Sabbath. Every day is the Lord's day and every day we should worship Him, not just once a week, and not just on Saturday. Sabbath is a day of rest.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Dianne.

    She never said anything about being Atheist. In fact She said God is perfect Men Is not. The attack is on the word of God, We're not the only ones who visit this site. What happens if a Kid or young Adult who haven't made his mind up yet get a load of that and no one is willing to rebuke her. The scripture tells us too, in fact a big part of Revelation Ch 2 the Church is found to be at fault for the things we suffer to enter the Church. And also what doctrine and deeds ect.. This is our responsibility to flock.

    Acts 20:28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    1 Peter 5:2. Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

    The very thing that's beeing attacked is what it takes to reprove her.

    2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    It not about condemning her it's about getting her to know this is against God.

    And yes this is a commentary but it's where we search for truth and Jesus is and should be Lord over this Commentary

    This shouldn't be where you get that kind of freedom of speech.

    We shouldnt play by the world rules in our Christian community. Satan is prince of this world and Christ is Lord over his Church. and an attack on the Head of the Church is an attack on the body. So yes it is against me. And it's against the Gospel because the Gospel is the word of God.

    And the commotion is not triggered by the material she presented but the intent behind it.

    This is the official king James website that offers the word of God. you don't get on it by accident.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Brother Arnold.

    I can second everything you have said, And I agree with Brother Chris also. Things is just not the way it started in acts 2. The Church prophesized with leaven in it from the the very beginning. " Leviticus 23:17. " Also Paul said in

    Acts 20:29-30. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

    ("" Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."")

    Also Jude: Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I believe the Church has become worldly and is spiritually wounded. But they're many like yourself that feels a nudge from the Holyspirit to not be slothful in true worship. While you are there come forward and offer help in that area, lets do our best to make a difference. I'm going through the same thing, your complaint mirrors mine!

    One thing I can tell you that the coronavirus did is manifest this lack of Genuine Love between the brothern.

    Their worship was always at a place and on a day. but not in truth and in spirit.

    Reminds me of John 4:23-24. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Continue to keep yourself in scripture and sharing at your church and with others in the spirit of meekness, Believe me it's a struggle! but remember you are not alone.

    God bless you.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 11 - 3 years ago
    Amen Jesse, I suppose that's why the scripture says you know them by their fruit.

    It seems no matter where you go you run into some that seems to be be well versed in scripture but fruitless! and seems to separate themselves or worldly and sensual.

    Jude 1:18-19. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    Paul gave warnings of this in Acts.

    Acts 20:29-30. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

    Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

    Even Paul presented the Gospel in away to protect from this.

    1 Corinthians 2:1-5. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

    For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

    And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

    That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

    God bless
  • William - 3 years ago
    Bible. Acts 20:16

    [16]For G1063 Paul G3972 had determined G2919 to sail by G3896 Ephesus, G2181 because G3704 he G846 would G1096 not G3361 spend the time G5551 in G1722 Asia: G773 for G1063 he hasted, G4692 if G1487 it were G2258 possible G1415 for him, G846 to be G1096 at G1519 Jerusalem G2414 the day G2250 of Pentecost. G4005.

    This is just one of many verses in the New Test that prove that our Father in heaven still keeps the Feast days and they were not done away with as you can see Paul was making his way back to keep Pentecost .
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 5 - 3 years ago
    Hello Vance. In everything regarding the Church, one clear instruction given by Paul is found in Acts 20:28 is, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

    Because of the value of every child of God, the pastoral care, control, guidance, teaching & love given to them are so important. As Paul instructed the Ephesian Elders to "take heed" (or, be very mindful) of yourselves in both their personal & ministerial lives, so also they must not to disregard the "flock" for which God had given them responsibility. Paul was thinking more about some men entering into the Church bringing in "damnable heresies" & leading the innocent unlearned members away. Yet, the elders' responsibilities extended much more to all areas of Church life.

    1 Corinthians chapter 5 tells us of Paul's grief over a horrible sin found in the Church there. Even though Paul couldn't be everywhere to administer discipline, the elders were expected to identify & deal with any problem in the Church, especially sin. The elder (or, pastor), must view his congregation as Christ's flock, & the great responsibility that Jesus has bestowed on him. Just as a flock of sheep need the constant sound of the shepherd's voice, a strong prod with the staff, or even chasing the straying sheep to bring it back to the fold, so too must God's servant be diligent to know his 'sheep' & to bring back erring ones.

    When the 'sheep' know that they're loved, cared for & will be guided aright, they will respond as if Christ Himself is speaking with them. The elder/pastor needs to let the erring ones know that he is aware of their sin. He needs to bring them together to deal with the problem, in the spirit of love, meekness & for restoration. They need to be taught & warned from God's Word. And if they refuse to listen, they need to be separated, even for a time ( 1 Corinthians 5:6,7).
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi ED. I believe that this urge & urgency for Paul to go to Jerusalem began a long while ago. We read about his desire to be in Jerusalem, first in Acts 18:21. Though it seems that he didn't make it, as Acts 19:10 shows that he got caught up in ministry in Ephesus for over two years. But still he wanted to get to Jerusalem ( Acts 19:21) & then to visit Rome.

    And then in Acts 20:16, Paul wanted to bypass Asia in his travels, so as to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost. But Paul knew beforehand what lay ahead of him there: Acts 20:22-25. And then we get to Acts 21:4 & then to Acts 21:10-12. So Paul already knew that something might happen at Jerusalem, yet he was "bound in the spirit" to go there, that "bounds & afflictions" were his lot wherever he went. So then in verse 4, could this be a further Word from the Spirit that sufferings lay before him at Jerusalem, even as Agabus had also declared? That this wasn't a direct command from God not to go but another message of warning of what lay ahead for him if he should go? Paul knew that he was close to "finishing his course" & felt the need to complete the ministry in Jerusalem. If the Lord wanted anything different for him, it would be certain that obstructions would have been placed before him or he would have received God's Word directly about his disobedience.

    So, even without a full certainty, we should be assured that Paul was led of the Spirit & all that befell him throughout his ministry was not of his doing, but in line with the Plan & Purposes of God to reach those in Israel, Asia Minor & Greece. And of course, Paul eventually was taken prisoner to Rome - so he got to 'visit' that city after all & "received all that came unto him", albeit as a prisoner.


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