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Hi Hemo,

Yes, if you believe in Jesus as your Savior, repent from your sins, and be baptized in water - you will receive the Holy Spirit.

This is Peter instructing us to repent, and be baptized to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Apostle Peter was instructed along with the other original Apostles by Jesus:

Matthew 28:19

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Therefore, Jesus tells us we will receive his Holy Spirit upon being baptized, and in the very next verse he tells us:

Matthew 28:20

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Listen to Jesus, and his Apostles, Jesus tells us if we do - He will always be with us even unto the end of the world.

Those teaching that you don't need to be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit are deceiving themselves and others, and in order to do so, they have to ignore this scripture above, and a lot of other scripture regarding baptism.

Don't trust mankind with your salvation, read your bible and believe in the scripture. God Bless.

yes your pastor is teaching this right, Jesus is first begotten from the dead . meaning he once was dead. in order to die you have to go to hell. Also Jesus said he would have to go to hell and many verses confirm here are a few

Matthew 12:40 KJV - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jonah 2:1-2 KJV - Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Ephesians 4:9-10 KJV - (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Acts 2:24-27 KJV - Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. Jesus is all human and all God. Satan is a created being. He has no authority as a result from Jesus dying on the cross for The World.

{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.

Thanks Jim for that reference in Luke. It's just that I don't understand "the shape of a dove" to be an exact look-a-like of the bird, but taking on the general form of it & more specifically its manner of descent upon Jesus. In other words, John should NOT have been in a position to observe & exclaim, "Hey lookie there, I see the Holy Spirit coming, taking on the form of a dove - that must make that dove a very special bird created by God". And of course, as I wrote earlier, if the appearance of the 'dove' was perceived to be an animal by anyone, then we would have to ask how does that fit into the other Scriptures that warn us (e.g. Deuteronomy 4:14-19)?

Then of course, we have Acts 2:2,3, with the "cloven tongues as of fire". The similarity is striking to the previous one; again, the understanding of many is that it was actual fire that came upon the apostles who were gathered there, whereas what appeared was the general appearance of fire, maybe even flickering, yet would not cause harm as a fire would. Anyway, I guess we can each have our own perceptions of these, & from so many other biblical accounts, which sometimes adds that extra dimension to our Bible reading & understanding. Thanks again for your thoughts on this.

GiGi...

what I meant by that is that God put a baby inside Mary...Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of our Father God...so yes he got his son that way..I didn't mean he literally came down and impregnated her psychically..it was through the Holy Ghost...but Jesus is father Gods son literally..he has the same power of God "becouse" he is his son..sorry to confuse you with how I worded my last post...Jesus is the son of God..everyone knows that of course...and we shouldn't say he dosen't have power as God the father has power becouse he dose...thats why we end our Prayers with "In Jesus Name" ..and why it says in Acts 2:38 to Baptize in the name of Jesus Christ ..and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost...being filled with the Holy Ghost is very important...we will speak in tongues when we get filled with the Holy Ghost..anyone who experiences this gift from God knows what I mean...

also John 3: says

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

this is how important being filled with the Holy Ghost is....Thank you for your comment and reply..have a good day GiGi..

Catherine.

Hi Sister Donna,

You bring up a very real issue that has been discussed from time to time, over the years. Are we to be baptized per Matthew 28:19 where Jesus directs us to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or Acts 2:38 where Apostle Peter states we should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

So, Jesus gave a clear directive for the disciples to baptize "them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all that I have commanded you". While some scriptures refer to baptism in Jesus' name like Acts 2:38 without specifically mentioning the Father and the Holy Spirit, none of these contradicts Jesus' instruction to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Many will conclude, including myself, that statements about baptizing in the name of Jesus were simply an abbreviated reference to the same practice. After all, Jesus encompasses, God, and the Holy Spirit. So whether we receive baptism in the name of Jesus or in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit - we accomplishing the command from Jesus to believe, repent, and be baptized - in order to be born again, and receive God's Holy Spirit.

I hope this provides you with some clarification.

Have a wonderful day, and God Bless You!

Acts 2:8 And how we hear every man speak in our own tongue ,wherein we where born.

Mark 16:9-20, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 2:5-12, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:6, 1 Corinthians 12:1-31, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, 1 Corinthians 14:1-28,

Hopefully these are helpful.

Darnita Acts 2 :4 and they the twelve apostles were all filled with the holy ghost and again began to speak in tongues as the spirit gave them the utterance. It says they began they did it by the ability given them hence as the spirit gave

them then they acted on what the spirit gave them. It's your operation of the God given ability, also the things of God

are to be done decent and in order which is the way God wants it. If its out of order red flags God is not the author of confusion. That is not to say that if someone does not speak in tongues there not born again and don't operate the spirit, I've seen both sides. Just showing you Gods Word, also in Acts 2:11 Gods Word says they were speaking the wonderworks of God. I didn't write the book. So do what believing God for.

Alex,

Yes, I agree with you John baptized with water. But, Jesus continued this baptism, he added to it - and commanded us to be baptized with water and he promised to add the Holy Spirt. So it's with water and Spirit! This is totally in line with his words in John 3:5

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." This is how we receive the Holy Spirit!

So then at this point our sins are forgiven.

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

It is impossible to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ without teaching the absolute necessity of baptism. Here is Apostle Paul:

Romans 6:3-4

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

1 Peter 3:21

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

We can't ignore all of this scripture:

Acts 2:37

"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Anyone who responds to the question in Acts 2:37 with an answer that contradicts Acts 2:38 is not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ!

All of this scripture above was written after Jesus Christs resurrection. It was Jesus/God's command for us! GB you Alex.

Bro Alex,

Thanks for your reply. What a wonderful sunny day here!

I'm going to continue to love you with this scripture! We may not agree on our interpretation of scripture, but it's ok, many of us here on this site continue to have our differences of opinion. Only God can be our judge! I have to respect you for the Fire you have in stating and sharing your interpretation of scripture.

Since you commented on Peter I will share this scripture with you for your consideration.

Regarding the Apostle Peter, Jesus held him in high esteem so much so that he used Peter to build his church!

Matthew 16:18-20

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter is God's Man! We need to listen when Peter talks:

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Peter tells us what we must do - to receive the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Very Powerful! Do you believe that the Apostle Peter is God's Man?

Alex, feel free to comment on this scripture, or list any other scripture that you want to discuss, or some other scripture that validates your beliefs.

God Bless.

Dear Rick Mentzer.. thank you for your reply...

We believe that going to church is more than simply a social club or a means of filling up a Sunday. At our Church we emphasize a personal, life-giving experience with God. We teach the biblical message of salvation which is summed up in Acts 2:38 and supported throughout the scriptures. The same Spirit that believers experienced in the book of Acts is being poured out upon the church today. The Jesus Name Church is not dead, dry and boring, but rather it is alive and exciting

Acts 2-38 I'm sure you have read this scripture, for it is very well known

"Then Peter said unto them,Repent and be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the "Holy Ghost"

John 3-5 "Jesus answered,verily verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven"

1st Timothy 2-5"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,the Man Christ Jesus;"

Galatians 3-20..Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God as one

I am Apostolic, I believe in one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, One God and Father of all,who is above all and through all. I believe in Baptism by immersion in water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. I believe in the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.With the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives us the utterance. I believe Marriage is a holy union between one man and one woman and founded and defined by God alone.

There are many Churches that have the same belief as ours.."In Jesus Name Church" Apostolic Pentecostal..alot of people say we are "Holy Rollers" We Love God with our whole heart- John 15-18 "If the world hate you, Ye know that it hated me before it hated you"

John 15-19,If ye are of the world, the world would love its own: but becouse you are not of the world but I have chosen you out of the world, therefor the world hateth you.

Catherine

Bro Alex,

Jesus in plain language told his disciples:

Matthew 28:19

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Do you not believe this verse? Yes or No?

After Christs crucifixion: Peter tells us (everyone) how we receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Do you believe this verse? Yes or No?

You mention John 3:37 This is Jesus telling us to drink from his spirit, yes he promises to give us his Holy Spirit, going on - In John 3:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." This confirms that we will receive the Holy Spirit when we believe in Him, repent, be baptized as "all of the scripture" states. We need to read, understand and believe in "all of the scripture" not just "cherry pick" single verses like this - that may meet "your own unique vision" of salvation.

You continually mention the need for us to become like children to enter into heaven. I agree, we need to become like children as commanded by Jesus: Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The way we become like children - is to become - "like children" - humble, obedient, and submissive to Christs instructions, and commands, as Jesus/God emphasizes throughout the Old, and New Testaments in the bible. The downfall of the Jews and Christians yesterday and today - is the sinful and continual rebellious attitude to obedience toward Gods commands!

Read and believe!

Catherine Gordon With the subject of speaking in tongues, biblically is perfect prayer as you said between you and God

also in acts 2:11 The bible says they were speaking the wonderful works of God. It is a working of the spirit to be done

decent and in order like all things of the true God. In respect of the rest Ephesians 4:3-6 is the key to spiritual unity.

Just because something is not believed doesn't mean it isn't true, also just because is believed doesn't mean its true

that's why all things spiritual must be accurately lined up with Gods Word and all other sources Questioned. Nothing

stops Gods Power of holy spirit in us when we rise up and believe whats written and act accordingly. Also there is no

respect of persons, conditions yes.

Hi Thomas. The Bible doesn't speak of a particular number of people required to be present before the Lord's Supper is commemorated. We see in these passages, ( 1 Corinthians 10:16,17, 1 Corinthians 11:18-34, Acts 2:42-46, Acts 20:11), that the 'breaking of bread' was observed with other believers present (whether a small number or not). However, to observe it without others present, I would think is your choice, as you prayerfully & thoughtfully take of the bread & wine remembering the Lord's Sacrifice for you. I doubt if many would do it this way as we would meditate on that Gift to us from the reading of the Word & prayer, but I don't see anything wrong in doing as you suggest.

S. Spencer Also brother in acts 2:38 it says repent and be baptized and receive the holy Ghost but again I don't

water mentioned anywhere and the word baptizes there means pouring out or pouring into or consecrate which

means to set apart which we are by the spirit. Just sharing the word.

Hello, I personally believe the Bible message is simple that even a child can understand and know enough to follow Jesus. Beware of anyone trying to make it complex and try to reinterpret the original language or do anything to change what Jesus said. Generally there seems to be high motivation to find ways to disobey Jesus, rather than the same level of motivation to obey Jesus. We're in a spiritual war is all I can say. I know exactly what the Bible says when I read Acts 2:38 and those who disobey will be judged fairly by God. There's zero risk or downside to being baptized and only huge upside, but isn't it interesting how hard someone is willing to work to justify 'not' doing something.

May I address your assumption about sinning after being baptized. All are sinners Romans 3:23. After choosing to follow Christ we still are sinners, but as long as we follow Christ our sins will be forgiven by grace. Paul admitted his wrestling with the flesh if you wish to read about that. If we sin we should ask for forgiveness and be genuine- God knows our hearts. If someone intentionally sins to use grace as a hall pass to commit unlimited sin and wickedless, then I would not say that person isn't following Christ. John 14:15. Of course you'll find some people who claim they can do whatever they want, because their sins don't count and I believe that is a lie from the enemy. God hates sin and us obeying Him matters, regardless of what a man says to convince me otherwise.

Also, when you're baptized you're following Jesus's teaching, not a ritual to get into a particular church. So, if you want to be baptized you can ask church leaders in your area and I'm sure you'll find someone happy to baptize you even though you don't attend their church. I also have a hard time with church, because human beings are flawed beings whereever you go. I don't like seeing worldly culture infiltrating into a church, for example, in effort to please man, instead of trying to please God.

Hi April.

I don't believe being born of water through your mother has nothing to do with baptism at all.

The baptism mentioned in the early Church was given while the church was in a transition, They started as all Jews. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel. When Christ was glorified then he told them to go out to the whole world.

At the time Judaism was their religion which they had to denounce.

They were to be baptized as an act of belief. It wasn't for salvation. It was Identifying with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Have you noticed Paul "one of the chief apostles" Was the apostle to the Gentiles and didn't put no emphasis on baptism?

1 Corinthians 1:17.

WOW! You mean Paul set up churches and ordained ministers such as Timothy and Titus and Christ didn't send him to baptize? Because the Gentiles wasn't bond to the ministry of death given by Moses ( that cause death ). You see baptism expressed the work Jesus came to do on the cross. ( Die in our place ) and rise the 3rd day.

Baptize means to identify with.

Here's how it is used in scripture.

1 Corinthians 10:2. You see the children of Israel was identified with Moses faith, not there own. They was scared and wanted to go back to Egypt. and the see didn't baptize them, They went over on dry land.

Here's another place it's used.

Mark 16:16. Here Jesus is not asking to do two things as it seems, " Believe and be baptized " He's asking one. " Believe ". When you done this you done the other! You've been pit into the body of believers and Identified with Christ. That's baptism of the Holyspirit.

EXAMPLE .

Your standing in front the TV. and someone ask you to sit down and get out the way. Once you sit down You've gotten out the way. and once you've believed you've been baptized.

And it's used like that in Acts 2:38. and several other places.

It plays no role in redemption, It's your outward profession in what you believe that has been taken place.

God bless.

Hello,

I may suggest reading Acts 2:38. Notice it says 'every one of you'. It doesn't say just 'some of you' or 'only if your mom or other family hasn't been baptized'. So, when I read the Bible and trust that its words are true, I am also believing in faith that when it says 'every one of you' that it means 'every one of you', including you and me. Jesus made baptism a big deal, so I think the least I can do if I'm serious about following Him is to obey and be baptized. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Matthew 28:19

Perhaps another question is: are you a Christian? And if so why wouldn't you want to be baptized like Jesus said?

You might also check out the verses on this page: Link

God bless...

Thank you, Alfred. Well said and worth pondering prayerfully and seeking the Spirit's guidance on how to correctly divide the Word of Truth.

'"not attempting to gain converts to "my" church ect but merely pointing out what is within the pages of the same bibles we all own kjv in my case most bibles read the same only in the amplified version does acts 2;38 read and be baptized everyone of you "because of the forgiveness of your sins" in that version its too easy see it takes away the reason for baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and turns it ito not as a requirement to the obedient but turns it into an afterrhought, an addition to the forgiveness we have already recieved some other way, i would assume the sinners prayer, something else the sincere, the honest, those humbly seeking the Lords will, will admit is not found in the Bible either. i love believers, and want all of us to believe the same thing ,thats the bible, when we can see the bible, really see it, it becomes an adventure, no longer to we have to skip over gobs and gobs of scripture because somwhere someone very sharp at talking convinced us its "history" there actually is: you ready? ONLY ONE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IN THE BIBLE. if i were allowed yes i would put my phone number here, not to find people to argue with but to teach, i love to teach and i know there are many many wise and prayerful believers out there GOD bless you for this bible site

it always amazes me how, a vast majority of people who claim to have faith in Jesus but are scared to death to interpret the bible in the way its actualy written, oh they do understand the written english language but choose to make the bible echo their own preconcieved ideas . for instance why in the above commentary 37-41 the commentater states that people were baptized to openly avow their belief in Jesus, but it reads; Repent and be baptized evertone of you, in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of Sins, not to openly show our belief in Jesus, but as a direct means of having our sins forgiven,this is to point out how it actual reads and what it means acts;2;38 that this is what it means the apostle paul, who wrote 13 of our new testament books openly shows us in his own words in acts 22;16 and now, why tarriests thou? arise,and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. we all have a free will and can choose to live by the dogmas and teachings of any particular church we may attend, but in a public forum, if we comment on the bible it must be done openly and honestly, while leaving our own attitudes and what we wish the bible actualy said out of it. who among us wants to go to heaven? a repented person wants to obey the word of God without adding to it or taking away from it by trying to change its meaning ,God is not astone standing by saying oh yes he words it much better than i ever could, here is TRUTH. you know why this happens? because most christians dont even realize they are not christians at all,when did Jesus or any of his Apostles ever tell anyone to accept him as their personal savior? its a basic question of is that in the bible or not? we are on a bible site now, try finding that version of the Gospel. Its all over the bible not just like in 13 conversions in the book of acts but Romsns 6 colossions 2 galatians 3 me? i want to go to heaven, Gods way, because how will we talk our way out of it before him ?

Comment Part 9 continued

Acts 1:15 KJV

[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Acts 2:1-4 KJV

[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

One hundred twenty disciples were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. This is the first Church of Jesus Christ, who is the head of the Church, is Lord of all. This is not called Trinity Church as you think that Trinity is made of the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: as you claim to say what Jesus said according to the scriptures of Matthew 28:19 KJV [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: That is the misunderstanding of the scriptures as those who believe in the Trinity's doctrine that is FALSE.

According to the scriptures of Acts 2:42 KJV [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. What Jesus taught the twelve apostles to follow His doctrine is the ministry of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures of Ephesians 2:19-22 KJV [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; (Read next comment in Part 10)

Comment Part 6 continued

Acts 2:39-47 KJV

[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. [40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. [43] And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. [44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common; [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. [46] And they, continuing daily with otures accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47] Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

You will never find any scriptures of Book of Acts concerning Matthew 28:19 KJV [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Because according to the scriptures of Book of Luke 24:30-53 KJV

[30] And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. [31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. [32] And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? [33] And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, [34] Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. (Read next comment in Part 7)

Comment Part 2

Acts 2:38-40 KJV

[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. [40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Please notice that there is no where found and written in the Book of Acts about what Jesus was saying to the eleven apostles whom He commanded to do that they must teach and baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost according to the scriptures of Matthew 28:19 KJV [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Only Apostle Peter to whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven according to the scriptures of Matthew 16:19 KJV [19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. It was Apostle Peter to whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven to bind on earth that shall be bound in heaven, and loose on earth that shall be loosed in heaven according to the scriptures of Matthew 16:17-19 KJV [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. [18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Read next comment in Part 3)

Hello Gloria Gods word Gives two genealogies of Christ descendancy for a reason, in Mathew from a human or flesh and blood context Acts 2:30 and Romans 1:3 made according to the seed of David according to the flesh. So Mathew is

the physical including marys descendancy according to the flesh and royal lineage David.

In luke the lineage is given as commoner a perfect man Gods Son and servant that's why it says

supposed the son of joseph because in His own home town they did not believe He was The Son of God Mathew 13:54-58,

also Luke 4:16-22. Because they knew the family they didn't believe Jesus Christ was Gods Son.

Bro. Rick. You asked, "The real question is what's changed or why?"

I don't believe anything has changed from the command by the Lord to go into the World, teach all nations & baptize them in the Trinity, to when the Holy Spirit fell upon those apostles (i.e. baptized directly from God), to when the apostles carried out that command to teach & then baptize those who believed. To make water baptism a necessary part of salvation's Gift, rather than an act of identification with that Gift, in my mind is untenable. Water baptism & reception of the Spirit at conversion, go hand in hand - i.e. if you believe you were baptized, no arguments could be presented. Could any of that great gathering ( Acts 2:41) have objected to being baptized & not face the surprise & consternation of Peter? The multiitude knew both the great worth of their salvation & the great cost of being identified with Christ, breaking away from their religion/idols. Today, we really have no sense of it, except those expressing faith through baptism in Hindu/Muslim regions.

But a question rarely asked, if at all: were the 12 apostles (except Paul) baptized in water after they were saved at Pentecost? Most believers would unflinchingly say, Yes. But have any of the apostles ever spoken of their baptism in their letters or seen in the Book of Acts? There seems to be a precedent for those who may not have received the Gospel by conventional means (i.e. receiving it directly by the Spirit). There will also be situations where a person is desperately ill or incapable of being water baptized (except by sprinkling). Also, when those who want to be baptized & there was none to do it, & much time has since passed by making the command inappropriate for its meaning. I see occasions that not being baptized is valid.

Is Water Baptism no longer valid because of the Spirit's baptism? I see no where in Scripture to invalidate it, but I see exceptions to the rule (given above) & its performance by the Church today.

Hi Rick,

I agree that quarrelling should be avoided and its best to avoid any "I'm right/you're wrong" discussions, however, there is only one truth. If something is publicly posted that is not truth and might lead someone else to stumble there is an obligation for believers to gently share the truth, in attempt to reverse the damage done.

So, you wrote: "its not a requirement for spiritual baptism."

But Jesus said: " John 3:5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

"water and of the Spirit"

Not just Spirit.

"cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

And God's Word in Acts 2:38 says: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

"be baptized"

But who, surely not me?

"every one of you"

But there's more scripture: Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 8:36-39 - And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

So, if I'm honest with myself, even if I didn't want to be baptized or was taught it wasn't necessary, or was embarrassed, or had any other reasons for not wanting to obey, it would be a very tough sell to read all these verses saying to be baptized and instead claim that we should NOT be baptized.

Hello Kristianna The whole key to the understanding the word baptised or baptism, here's a good example. In

Acts 2:38 the word for baptized everyone of you and ye shall receive Holy Ghost, the word baptized means to

or set apart also it is either external or internal. When a person is born again it is internal spiritually it is by

Gods Gift Holy Spirit internal it is in us. Now the translators used the same word alo for water that's why I said depending

on context external or internal. In John 3:16 both are used first one I'm baptising you external for consecration or

preparation, second one Jesus Christ shall future baptise with pneuma Hagion or holy spirit which will burn up

the chaff because its internal. So in Regards to spiritual baptism I'll let you decide what the Word of God says.

Then You have Ephesians 4:4 remember Jesus Christ gave Paul how and what and where and when and to whom

concerning His Church the Body of Christ in the Age of Grace. Make up your own mind on It Is Written when

all scripture concerning subject matter are considered and understood. P.S. I didn't cover all of them due to

tht' a lot too cover.

Hi Rick,

My interpretation of Acts 1:5 is that John only prepared the way for Jesus's ministry, so once Jesus came I believe baptism had a greater significance. So, my interpretation is before Jesus: water only. After Jesus: water + Holy Spirit.

"but its not a requirement for spiritual baptism, I was born again many year ago and was never water baptised."

When I read John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 I know exactly what it says and feel if it wasn't important it would not have been said. I think if baptism wasn't a necessary or important step of obedience, then Jesus wouldn't have baptized people and He clearly would have said to not get baptized. But He clearly said to get baptized. I don't think satan is deceiving me into believing I need to be MORE obedient to Jesus than I truly need to be, but the opposite would seem more likely.

Given that its a commandment from Jesus, it seems like an easy decision to me. And lets say you're right and I'm wrong, then there's no downside to getting baptized and honoring Jesus, is there? But if my interpretation of John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 is right and yours is wrong then you have an enormous downside to deliberately disobeying Jesus, do you not?

God bless...